McNabb observations on Avs all Access
They have run the first Avalanche All Access program on Altitude for the season. I smell some changes in the ...tone?
While Kyle Keefe was his usual rainbow and unicorn self. McNabb and Hanes had a lot more... conservative. They were certainly positive but it seemed like they might have had the shackles lifted a bit. There was talk about the Avs facing 24 games in division with the toughest goal tending in the entire NHL. When asked what the biggest challenge for the new coach would be, the simple answer was "to win games".
A lot of people tend to think that McNabb is a just another talking suit that can only toe the company line. However, McNabb is actually the crown jewel of hockey knowledge in that broadcast crew and in the media as a whole in Denver. If they let him talk about hockey without selling just the positives I think he's really good. I've heard him talking hockey outside of the cameras and I've had other media tell me he knows more about the sport than anyone in town, they just have to take off the shackles.
In any case, McNabb made a couple of observations on the show that I thought were interesting. First, at game 42 last season the Avalanche were three games over .500 and 7th in the west. Despite their impressivey horrific season last year they fielded a competitive product through half the season. I've covered this myself but McNabb voiced it again; Last year pundits picked St. Louis to finish 15th and Vancouver 11th/12th. They finished 6th and 3rd in the conference. The Avs weren't an awful team throughout the season, they were just unbelievably God awful in the second half.
The Avs with Stastny, Galiardi, Duchene and O'Reily at center makes the Avs not only young down the middle put perhaps makes them the youngest team at center in the history of the NHL. McNabb said the team is going to have to rely on their veteran back line and I think he's right. With all that youth up front it's going to need to have a really solid back end. McNabb said every practice since the first cuts have been about the defensive end. I see little to disagree with there.
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thanks for posting. I completely agree with you on McNabb. I’ve seen him interviewed during intermissions of the other team’s broadcast and he’s much more…well, honest with his criticism.
I agree that people lose sight of that acceptable first half, but it’s also hard for me to look at this team as being a heck of a lot better than it was last year.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 30, 2009 8:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
McNab did the Olympics 4 years ago and I thought he was fantastic. He might be the best color guy when he’s allowed to really give his opinion.
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 30, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh
I see what you did there…
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 5, 2009 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
I’ve been telling anyone who will listen (no one) that this years Avs remind me of least season’s Blues
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 30, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
totally agree…. I think it’s all about confidence with these young guys…. if they can win some games early, especially with that nasty early schedule, who knows what can happen. But if they get on an extended losing streak, their confidence might not recover and we’d be looking at a debacle similar to last year. I hope we hear the phrase “Their too young to know they shouldn’t be this good” at some point this season :)
by jd21 on Sep 30, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Their too young to know they shouldn’t be this good"
I hope we hear it ALOT!
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by Americanario on Sep 30, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're
sorry, the repost made me do it.
Thanks Joe...
by mfured20 on Oct 1, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i fought the temptation…but i figured someone would succumb. lol.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 2, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the Blues as being a great young team that’s about ready to wreak havoc on the West. If this years Avs are like the Blues team last year, we have a lot to look forward to.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, this team could be successful.
1. Goaltending, is Anderson the real deal? If so a lot of those one goal games could go their way this year.
2. Defensmen. Everyone had down years at the same time. Was this because Budaj or the unmentionable one had bad years or the other way around? Foote is probably too old to bounce back but everyone else certainaly is capable. Clark and Salei are in contract years, another bad year and they could be out of the league.
3. Can Duchene make enough of a difference so that other teams have to split up their defensive pairings? This isn’t as vital to the sucess of the team but it can’t hurt.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Sep 30, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In response to your points;
1. Even if Anderson is not the secret lovechild of Sawchuk and Roy, it would be very difficult for him to be worse than last year’s tandem. See below as well.
2. Everybody had a down year and the sheer folly of Cloutier/Granato’s system, or complete and utter lack thereof became readily apparent. If the defensemen are allowed to attack the puck, skate hard and not try to do their utmost to get in the way of shots at the expense of, you know, defending, then I think we’ll see a quantum leap in the quality of the blueline this year, which will, in turn, result in lots of pressure coming off of the goaltender(s). Look at how well most of last year’s defensive callups played last year, having been products of Sly’s coaching. Granted, several of them began to suck, but when you’re up for a cup of coffee, you know it and the coaches are telling you what to do, you do it. Contract years and taking the shackles off of the defense can’t help but help.
3. I’m optimistic that the answer is yes, especially if the Duke is on his wing.
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by Hopfenkopf on Sep 30, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the defensemen are allowed to attack the puck
One of the things I really noticed during the FF game v. the Kings on Saturday was how much the D jumped on the offense. I saw Liles streak into the offensive zone a few times and even Footer went on the attack once or twice. One of the biggest changes this year, I have to believe, is the D on offense. Erie’s D-men called up last year were so all over that shit that I just can’t imagine Sacco will change his tune just cuz it’s the NHL. If it works, use it. Ya know?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 30, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ll see a quantum leap in the quality of the blueline this year
I just thought I randomly add that it is sad that the TV show Quantum Leap started being made a good 2 years before Radar and Boy Wonder were born…
by HugoAgogo on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw on the DP that Clark was playing with Liles in the first pairing. If that’s true and Clark can get back to where he was two years ago that bodes well. I didn’t get to see him play in the preseason.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see McNab as being muffled by the big brass. I can recall several games where the Avs lost and you can see it in his face that he’s disappointed and he’ll start to talk about what the Avs need to start doing in order to be competitive. Sure, he doesn’t rip on them because most fans wouldn’t appreciate that. I realize that the fans on this site are not your typical fan but he talks to everyone, not just us diehards. I think he does a great job and I hope he’ll be around a long time. I can’t stand watching the national commentators because they don’t know anything about the Avs and their comments are ridiculous. I’ve found myself turning off the sound when they’re on VS or ABC.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see McNab as being muffled by the big brass.
I hope you’re being sarcastic. It’s pretty obvious that everyone at Altitude, not just McNab, are under “don’t say anything that could possibly be construed as negative” orders. Not only that, but PR people have stepped into the Broadcast Booth to tell him Hayes when they have said something that was, umm, controversial.
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 30, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be the point in him ripping on the Avs? Do you think that would attract more fans? Do you think it would get people excited to watch the games? I don’t see how McNab is doing his job any different than any other commentator. I think he speaks his mind freely but he chooses not to be overly negative. You must remember that he was an NHL player and players don’t typically have a negative attitude or they aren’t normally welcome. Would you really expect that he would all of the sudden start being negative because his job title is different?
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree completely
When the team was great, for years and years, all of the positivity was fine because frankly, a lot of it was warranted. However, over the past few seasons, especially last season, Haynes and McNab often came accross as being very disingenuous because they had to toe the company line and continue to blow sunshine and rainbows up our butts. It may have been OK for the casual fan new to the game or something, but to true fans who really follow the game it was quite frankly insulting.
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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 30, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, read this thread, and the comments (especially the last comment thread), there is no doubt that he is being muzzled to a significant degree. We can argue whether that’s the best policy or not, but there’s no doubt there’s a mandate to be positive. (For more evidence I’d also point out his Olympic coverage is different than his Altitude coverage. I think he’s overall a positive guy, which is a good thing, but on his Olympic coverage he points out when players make mistakes, etc.)
And second of all, I don’t think McNab has to rip the players, as I don’t see anything constructive to that, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a constructive criticism. As a color commentator his job should be to ass insight to the game and explain why a play went for, or against, the Avs. Ignoring anything bad the Avs do is not accomplishing this. Obviously Altitude has a different interpretation and expects him to be a salesman, but that’s why it’s frustrating.
And yes, being critical in a constructive and reasonable way will bring fans in. I think people generally enjoy something if they have a better grasp of it and more knowledge. He doesn’t have to rip someone but he could simply say “opposition was able to set up this play because of a mistake here by xxx. He probably should have played it this way.” That’s not negative or ripping a player, but it adds to the viewers experience Sheltering the viewers, not pointing out mistakes, and ignoring stuff when it’s going obviously wrong is a disservice to your viewers and doesn’t add any insight to the game. It also undermines his credibility. I like his positivity, I like his enthusiasm, and being critical and pointing out mistakes, (either the Avs or the oppositions) doesn’t mean he has to lose either of those qualities. But not telling us when someone makes a mistake is lying to us, and there’s nothing good about lieing to your viewers.
Frankly if the Avs lose 6-1 and him and Haynes are telling me the Avs are “unlucky” it’s frankly insulting my intelligence. There’s nothing wrong in saying “The Avs played a poor game tonight. They were a step slow, and they made some crucial mistakes. Let me break down this one….”
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 30, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me that just sounds like McNab’s style on T.V. I didn’t see his Olympic coverage so maybe you have a point there. I’ll continue to watch for the other points that you’ve brought up, but so far, I just don’t recall him bullshitting the viewers. Sure, he could break down a 6-1 loss down individual plays but I don’t think that’s ever really been his style. That has never bothered me about him. Whether or not the team is directing his actions, it’s hard to say, but I’m more inclined to believe that it’s his style on T.V.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to say because he’s worked for Alt. for so long. Part of it is his style, he’s a positive person, but I am certain he’s being muzzled to a large extent too.
Either way, I think it’s a disservice to casual viewers as well. Most casual viewers would appreciate having an expert break down a play for them. And McNab does breakdown plays, he just blatantly ignores mistakes to point out the good part of the play. While it’s nice that he points out good plays, he really should point out mistakes as well.
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by Jibblescribbits on Sep 30, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it sounds like your saying that there’s room for him to improve. It’s hard to argue with that because if he were to break it down more (both good and bad plays), I certainly wouldn’t mind. I may even appreciate him more than I already do. And, the way you are describing it, I wouldn’t seem like he’s ripping on them or being negative. Even if he doesn’t do that though, I hope he’s around a long time.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darcy Tucker.
Darcy Tucker.
Darcy Tucker.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We probably just have agree to disagree here. I’ve tried to see it your way when I watch him and I’ll likely continue to do so but I just don’t see him being any different than he’s always has been. Like I’ve said before, I’ve seen him criticize the Avs play but it wasn’t in such a harsh way that you might see on this site. That’s what I would expect because he’s a professional and he doesn’t allow emotions to get in the way of his job. I understand what you mean about true fans being insulted, but us “true fans” are a minority in the overall fan base and his job is to talk to everyone. Also, even if it does insult some of the true fans, it’s not like they are going to stop being fans because of it. So, in a way, he caters more to the casual fan.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 12:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You jibbled!
but to me. Oh the tangled web we incorrectly weave.
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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 30, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think it’s even more important to be frank (HI I’m Frank!) to the casual fan, that way they have an opportunity to become educated and to be able to identify good hockey from bad. Explaining the real reasons a team lost that night and calling out the specific mistakes that are made seems to me the best way to edjucate.
by jd21 on Sep 30, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is why I like Brian Engblom’s analysis of the games during the Locker Room Report. He isn’t nasty or rude, but he just simply points out the mistakes the team made and what they need to do to improve.
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by hockeymom on Sep 30, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you should say that. I didn’t used to like Engblom when he was with ESPN because he would make a comment about the Avs that was just flat wrong. However, it’s got to be tough for guys that don’t spend a lot of time on one specific team and then you have to comment on them. Now I like him because, your right, he’s got good insight. However, I like McNab just as much.
by mcarson01 on Sep 30, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I read the whole thread
I was going to point out above the difference with Engblom’s style. Here seems a better place for it though. Having watched the avs since their inception, I feel that Engblom is the first guy to both understand hockey and comment truthfully on it. When he first started for the Avs I heard him say that he thought JML was being shackled by the coaching staff, and that they needed to give him some room or he wouldn’t develop. That is something you would never hear from McNab, although he can certainly figure that out as well.
Whether thats a style difference or that Engblom cannot be muzzled when he has an undoubtedly more lucrative contract with ESPN, I don’t know. I DO know that I originally searched out internet hockey blogs because I wanted second opinions on hockey stuff. What I was getting off of Altitiude made it seem like the Avs were robbed out of the Cup every year. I played too, and I can clearly see when someone plays well, screws up, tries hard, floats around, etc. To be told otherwise seems less like positive spin and almost more like whining that “the bounces just didn’t go their way”. As Jibbles said, that’s just insulting to me, and even casual fans, who will learn and appreciate more if they know whats going on. Just my 2cents
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by TheRed on Sep 30, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
JML was being shackled
I’ll take the 5th on that one.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 30, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought last year that JML’s problem was that he’d take his own sweet time setting up once he got a pass and by the time he was ready to shoot the D was all set up and ready to block/deflect his shot. Hopefully Sacco pulled him aside and said, “get puck, shoot puck.”
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 1, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i recall an interview with liles where he let it slip that, under granato, they were given the freedom to shoot first, pass second (mind you, this was very early in the season…i suspect that ideology went out the window quickly). perhaps his tendency to hold on to the puck too long was born out of quenville’s approach…or it could just be he likes to take his time before pulling the trigger. in some arenas that would be considered a good thing. ; – )
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 2, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say you need to listen to McNab with a bit more critical ear. His word choices when he adds color or summarizes are emphatically and repeatedly positive. Adding color responsibly means occasionally (not continually) pointing out flaws and/or areas of concern or in need for improvement. He obviously knows his stuff and could comment decisively on some issues. He rarely does the later. We can assume based on his comments away from altitude that he has certain parameters put upon him at Altitude. It is not the end of the world just a business decision by the AVS that is frustrating and one which many here don’t agree with. Mcarson, you are becoming fairly predictable in defending this organization. Are there any connections we should know about that are coloring your perceptions?
by Digit on Oct 1, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I have no doubt that McNabb and co are being influenced by the company to give a rosy outlook. I have no direct evidence for this, but I can hear it when i listen to their commentary. Next time one of the defense gives away a puck [I’m looking at you, Clark], and they show the replay, listen to the way they say things. There it is, in the replay, clear as day, that he didn’t protect the puck. And “Sunshine and Rainbows” will say something like “oh yeah, thats just a bad bounce for this Avalanche team.”
Thats not a mistake, thats intentionally lying to the audience to cover up a player’s shortcoming.
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by mfured20 on Oct 1, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume your mostly talking about the later half of last year. So, consider this: They were tanking it for a draft pick. That can’t be fun for anybody on the team. McNabb hangs out with these players everyday and he knows what’s going on. So, I have to ask, what would be his motivation to criticize his friends more and rub it in their face that they are tanking it. Is he going to make more money if he does? No. Is he going to have a higher ranking in the top 100 hundred commentator rankings? No, because it doesn’t exits. Is he going to make his good friends happy when they are already in somber moods? No. Is it going to make the 200 or so fans that actually care about this happy? Maybe. Does he care about that? Probably not because I highly doubt he reads any of this. Some have mentioned how his Olympic coverage was much more critical. In this case, he doesn’t hang out with those players on an every day basis so it’s just different.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you say when your friends lost 6-1 in an already busted season. “What can I say, the Avs had a tough break today and they just have to go back to the locker room and find a way to improve.” – cut
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I have to ask, what would be his motivation to criticize his friends more and rub it in their face that they are tanking it.
This is where I would really have a problem. These aren’t or shouldn’t be, his friends, and he shouldn’t be holding anything back to spare their feelings. It’s not his job to help the team win, or to make people feel good about themselves. It’s his job to explain the action on the ice to the viewers.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 2, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily
I don’t think sparing feelings and being friends is the reason he’s not critical.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 2, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should consider that McNabb is a former player and he knows what it’s like when a reporter guts you in the media because they feel like you didn’t try hard enough etc… I think that plus being friends with the team are to major variables that come into play when he decided what type of commentator that he wanted to be. If he was being pressured too much to change his style, I think it’s likely he would quit. I doubt he needs the money.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry
but these men CHOSE to become professional athletes. in so doing, they accept that their lives (personal as well as professional) will be under the microscope regardless of how right or wrong that might be. they know that they will in fact be gutted by the media if it seems they didn’t try hard enough. it’s a part of their job as well as that multimillion dollar paycheck.
this is true of a lot of professions. take acting, for example. i started a career in LA but realized that this kind of lifestyle was not something i could live with; no matter how much money i could have made, it wasn’t worth giving up my personal space for. friends of mine, however, felt differently and are now subject to the BS that fame brings.
the players expect the commentators to be critical of them. i think they’d be insulted if the “experts” placated them all the time. when that’s done, praise loses its value.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 2, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure the players chose to be under the microscope but that doesn’t mean that McNabb has to put them there. I’m sure McNabb enjoys being able to hang out with the team like he did when he was a player. That might not be so welcome if he where to call out his friends out on TV consistently. I don’t mind McNabb’s style. Live and let live.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
That’s no hid job, and if that were the case it would be highly unprofessional.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 2, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
I hate when people, and commentators, say players aren’t trying. I find that not to be the case 99% of the time. Criticizing doesn’t have to be questioning someone’s work ethic.
And if being friends with a player on the team is keeping him from criticizing (again I don’t think it is) that’s just highly unprofessional.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 2, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that’s just where we probably will never agree. You think it’s his job to criticize, I think it’s his call to make his own on-air-personality. I like it, you don’t. While I respect your opinion, it doesn’t really wave mine. I will, however, make it point to watch Sharks game to see if I prefer that style more. I suppose that’s possible but it sounds a lot like the football comentators to me and I don’t care much for them, always drawing lines on the screen and making completely obvious statements. I can do without.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that’s possible but it sounds a lot like the football comentators to me and I don’t care much for them, always drawing lines on the screen and making completely obvious statements. I can do without.
I don’t like football commentators for that reason. They usually try to make a point, but say something stupid, but I like what they are trying to do.
I just don’t think broadcast people are, or should be, cheerleaders. They are there for the audience, and the audience is better served being informed by non-biased observers.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 3, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now
Jibbles is saying he’s muffled, and mcarson01 is saying he’s just got a reserved style. There really is no agree to disagree here, its two different things.
You think it’s his job to criticize, I think it’s his call to make his own on-air-personality.
What jibbles is saying and I agree with is that he is being muffled. We are saying that it is not his personality that is being aired. As proof there have been posted comparisons of his Altitude vs non-altitude work. I get what you’re, mcarson01, saying, and I agree, EXCEPT, for the fact that he does not sound like that when broadcasting other games. If that was his immutable, I’m going to be friends, etc, attitude, there would be de facto NO difference between his styles in different settings of broadcast. Yet there are. I have seen no evidence from you or anyone else to the contrary, yet ample evidence, including Dater’s quote, that he IS being muffled. And that is what I see as the point here.
Get rid of the loser point
by TheRed on Oct 3, 2009 1:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the reasons that I think he was not being muffled last year. He’s an insider to the team which means he understood what was really going on last year. Nobody would ever admit it but they were tanking it on purpose. You don’t keep rotating guys from the AHL when you want to win. Because of this, McNabb likely didn’t really feel like speaking out much because the season was done. There was no point anymore. Now all the sudden, it looks like he’s not being muffled. It’s not because he’s not being muffled, it’s because it’s a new season that has purpose.
by mcarson01 on Oct 3, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point of order,
You don’t keep rotating guys from the AHL when you want to win.
Just where the bleeding hell were we supposed to get enough bodies to ice a team? The ECHL? Midget Minors?
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by Hopfenkopf on Oct 3, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Tanking is not the same as having so many guys injured you’re playing a league above where your talent level is. Tanking on purpose to get a draft pick vs just plain sucking? I’m still leaning to the second view.
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Oct 3, 2009 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sound strategy would have been to take your best players in the AHL and keep them up instead of rotating in a new rookie every game. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the rotation strategy and it didn’t work well.
by mcarson01 on Oct 3, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, if you want to lose, it’s probably better to rotate a new rookie every game. Hey, it helped us get Duchene and I don’t have a problem with it.
by mcarson01 on Oct 3, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, I guess it depends on who wrote the job description. If he was hired by you then I guess I would say that you’re correct. However, he was hired by the Altitude and I don’t see why they would require him to be more critical of the team. However, I don’t really recall him being more critical before he worked for Altitude either.
I like the fact that he’s friends with the team because he gets personal access that reporters like Dater can’t get, and he tends to share some conversation on the air.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I think you should really take advantage of free Center ice and watch a Sharks game. Drew Remenda is a fantastic example of what I’m talking about. He’s sharp, critical, and observant but none of the criticism is personal or vicious, but simply observatory. Very professional and very very good.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 2, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll do have center ice so I’ll try to catch a game sometime.
by mcarson01 on Oct 2, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know his name but the color guy from boston is a straight shooter too (and he has that lovely chowd accent too).
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 2, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard McNab on NHL Live yesterday and he had some interesting information about O’Rielly. He said that he was in the room when they were ranking all the players before the draft and he believes that if the Avs had the 10th pick overall, they would have still selected O’Reilly. He also said he was at the draft table when Detroit selected Ferraro and everybody at the Avs table started doing fist pumps because O’Reilly was still available. Bottom line, McNab has access to the team that most commentators would only dream of. I would trade that over under-criticism any day. However, as a side note, I did notice this critism from him yesterday during the game: “The avalanche had horrible specials teams last year and they’ve got to improve if they want to get better.” I’ve always recalled him making these types of comments though. The more I think about it, he normally seems to criticize the team as a whole but not necessarily individual players.
by mcarson01 on Oct 4, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"The avalanche had horrible specials teams last year and they’ve got to improve if they want to get better." I’ve always recalled him making these types of comments though.
The problem is he didn’t say it last season when it was happening. He’ll criticize the past, but not in the present.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 4, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See now my recollections of McNab have always been about this same level of criticism. I should point out though that I didn’t really spent much time on this site in regards to last season and this is really the only place I’ve heard this complaint. It could sometimes be hard to notice a lack of something unless somebody else points it out or your really looking for it. However, if he wasn’t criticizing last year I still think it’s probably because there wasn’t much point in it. It’s not like they could have tweaked a few things and been right back in it. I think McNab can recognize when it’s probably best, in the long term, to tank it. And when you’re tanking it, why beat a dead horse?
I think all of this ultimately boils down to what you prefer as a fan. I prefer having McNab around regardless of criticism and I defenitely understand how some people, such as yourself, may not care for it. One question though, the criticism that McNab made on Saturday, are you happy with that level or do you still feel like he should dive deeper?
by mcarson01 on Oct 4, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to be clear.
I love McNab, I think he’s great I just wish Altitude woulnd’t muffle him so much. I think he could teach me, and other fans, so much more if he didn’t have to be so positive that Barney might tell him to tone it down a little.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 4, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, it makes him sound dumber, insincere or polyannaish if he’s told ahead of time what he can and can’t say. How dumb does Kronke think we are if they think that no one notices it?
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 5, 2009 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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