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If you were General Sherman, what would you do with your 2010 Avalanche roster come the March 3rd Trade Deadline?
March 3rd is closer than it sounds. The Olympics run from Feb 12- Feb 28. So really, besides the 3 days between when the Olympics end and the trade deadline hits, there are only about 3 weeks of NHL play for the AVS' brass to do some buying or selling. Thankfully, the AVS look more like buyers rather than sellers like everyone presumed. As 3/3/10 approaches we'll have more trade coverage, but it's never to early to make unfounded predictions and spawn some conjectural chatter.
More than anything, I'm curious to see what you fans think/want for your beloved Avalanche. The BIG QUESTION is: Should the AVS tempt fate by screwing with the great chemistry the team currently enjoys? With the team as young as it is, I think chemistry will play a HUGE role down the road to the post season, so I'm hesitant to suggest any trades (Tucker and Clark excluded of course).
Let's take a gander at some possible moves for the Avalanche by position.
First let's identify what the AVS need: a top six forward who can play on the wing (no offense to Galiardi, Yip, or Hejduk and Jones' bum knees).
GOALTENDING
Anderson: He ain't going nowhere except the post season in Smurf blue - Don't worry, third jerseys don't show up in the post season, do they??
Budaj: Much to some fan's chagrin, and other fan's wildest dreams, it is likely that Peter Budaj could be moved. He will be an unrestricted free agent (UFA) this summer, and while he would be a value (CostCo wholesale style) re-signing as a back up, there are teams that would be very interested in his services and potential. And I'm willing to bet Budaj wants another shot as a #1 somewhere. With Mr. Anderson firmly entrenched between the Colorado pipes, it is unlikely Boods will get another shot in Denver. Also, with Anderson playing 82 games next season, who needs a back up anyway? Maybe the AVS front office will just get rid of the position all together.
So what does Shemran trade Budaj for? What is nice guy Budaj's market value? Maybe another back up? Could we get a decent forward and give Tyler Weiman from lake Erie a chance as the new back up? He's 15-12-3-2 with a 2.34 GAA and .917 Save % for the Monsters this year, and he has been called up before by the AVS. In his 16 minutes of NHL playing time Tyler (No relation to Arnason, thank God) made 10 saves and allowed 0 goals. I believe in Peter Budaj, but I also wouldn't be adverse to seeing him traded for a player of equal value (a forward) and giving Weiman a shot in net on the bench. If Budaj is gonna leave this summer via free agency anyway, it's better we get something for him now. I really have no idea how this one may pan out.
Fun Fact: Raycroft and Theodore are both free agents this summer. Bust out your piggy bank!
DEFENSE
There are more likely possibilities for trades with the Avalanche D than any other position. Clark, Salei, and Foote are all Unrestricted Free Agents this summer. Quincey and Peltier are Restricted Free Agents (RFA). Cumiskey, Hannan, Preissing (overpaid and in the minors), and Wilson are signed for one more year. Male Model is the only current defenseman signed beyond next year (2 more years).
So what's General Sherman's move this March? I think nobody would miss Clark. Luckily his value has actually increased this season from his bottom of the barrel market value last season, and no doubt somebody out there is dumb enough to think his blocked shots stat actually translates into a viable skill (whoever that would-be buyer may be, I also have a bridge I'd like to talk to them about.....). Clark would seem to be the obvious choice for a trade. At the very least, he'll leave this summer via free agency, freeing up 3.5 million for a shiny new pylon.
Captain Footer is not going anywhere except maybe retirement. Hannan and Quincey have proven their worth and will stay - although Quincey is going to demand more $ to stay in Denver. Cumiskey is so fast they won't be able to catch him in a trade.
The Avalanche have a good deal of young D talent coming up through the pipeline (See: Kevin Shattenkirk, Colby Cohen, Tyson Barrie, Stefan Elliot and Cameron Gaunce). So do any of these youngsters get a shot next year or do we just replace our old blueliners in some trades? There are always rumors about Liles, but I think he'll hang around one more year while the youngsters continue to develop and then we'll trade him next year when it makes more sense (i.e., he has more value) and a young guy can step in.
Trade bait (in order of likelihood) : Clark, Salei, Preissing, Peltier, John-Michael Liles
Top 40 Unrestricted Free Agents List: You know what sucks about this list? It reminds me how overpaid Clark is.
FORWARDS
Trade bait (in order of likelihood): UFAs: Svatos, Tucker, Willsie, Koci, Haydar, Durno, and Hendricks.
RFAs: Wolski, Stewart, Yip, Hensick, Dupuis.
It's hard to imagine the AVS trading any forward who is currently signed next year or beyond, unless it's to sweeten some other deal. The names listed above though are a different matter. Are any of them safe? I think the restricted free agents will be alright (Wolski, Stewart and Yip are must haves), but the only UFAs who SHOULD be back are Hendricks and Durno. I really, really want to see Haydar have a shot, but I guess he's been delegated to the AHL for time and all eternity.
Svats is most likely gone. He's been given every opportunity in the Mile High City, but at this point a change of scenery may be the best thing for him and the AVS. He's often been compared to Maxim Afinogenov and as this season shows, a change of scenery can help - Maxim has flourished in HotLanta. I hope Svatos can return to his 30-goal days, but I don't see it happening for him in burgundy and blue.
Tucker? Pack your bags. Whether its the trade deadline or the Free Agency summer, he's headed elsewhere [insert smile, and joke].
So what should the AVS do? The only way we're going to trade for somebody decent (top 6 forward) is to make some sort of package deal. Do we go for draft picks or proven NHL talent? Let's discuss it and then we'll send Greg Sherman a letter. In the meantime, here's a couple charts of Forwards who will be UFAs (some of these dudes have already re-signed with their teams, like Hejduk).
Todd Bertuzzi should never smile again. Ever.
Alex Tanguay anyone?? How about Kovalchuk!!!
I really like the make up of the Avalanche right now. I'm not sure any of the upcoming unrestricted free agents on the team necesitate a trade. The AVS could let them all walk in free agency this summer and do all their shopping then.
So YOU are the GM. What would you do?
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Dump Clark, Salei, Svatos, and Tucker for a bag of pucks (maybe 2 bags of pucks for Svatos), don’t be stupid with Budaj, if somebody offers a pretty sweet package for JML for for it, and leave everything else alone.
by Richard R on Jan 20, 2010 7:32 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Pick up Shean Donovan (again) and put him on the third line with O’Reilly and McLeod, the guy has speed to burn and as long as you don’t count on him to score (because he won’t) he’ll make a great bottom 6 guy—and can you believe he only makes a 1/4 of what Sham Wow does? I think the avs are stuck with Svatos, unless he gets healthy and starts scoring, which I won’t hold my breath for and someone out east will take Clark. Some teams only read the stats on players—-like toronto when they paid Jeff Finger 3.5 million a year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:57 AM MST reply actions
None of the UFA goaltenders seem like an upgrade over Budaj, especially if the goal is to sign one to backup type money.
The rest of the UFA’s don’t exactly interest me either. The only two players that jump out at me on the lists, assuming they could be signed for similar money to what they are making now, would be Paul Martin and Rene Bourque. If either of those guys make it to actual free agency I’d be surprised, and if they do I’d be really wary of the bidding wars for their services.
I don’t think the team is ready to Burn the Budaj Bridge either. They had the option to let him walk last year and go with Weiman. Why do it now when he’s performing decently and not breaking the bank? Andy could go down with an injury at any time. We know we have a competent backup so why screw with that?
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
I’ve said a couple of times now that I would love to see Rene Bourque in an Avs uni next year. However, I think that with the season he’ll have, he’ll probably command a nice raise over the $1.35 million he’s making this year. And I don’t want to see the Avs again be trading partners with the Flames at the deadline.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Rene Bourque is absolute money for them this year – I wouldn’t think that they would part with him for cheap, or at all unless they took a massive plunge out of the playoff picture between now and the trade deadline.
One can always hope.
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Blast from the POINT
We need a defenseman with a huge shot from the point. This is the one thing we have been missing since Blake left. I like Quincey’s shot from the point but lets face it no one is afraid of it. Souray is on the blocks why not make a play for him. I think maybe we should make a three team trade where we send Liles, Clarke, Budaj, or Svatos or a combo of those and through in Tucker (although that would mean O’Reilly needs to find a new place to live) some where in a package deal and either through the deal get another top 6 forward or a defenseman with shot from thee point.
Not sure Souray is the answer. There are questions about his heart, and attitude. Maybe that is something Sacco could change, maybe not. Is he worth the risk? Might just depend on the cost.
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 8:08 AM MST up reply actions
Not necessarily saying Souray just using him as an example but we do need a defenseman who has a shot from the point that other teams are concerned with.
and as we discussed elsewhere, he has 2 more years at $5.4 million after this
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 20, 2010 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
i wouldn’t mind seeing blake back in burgundy and blue
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
For a cup run, maybe. Wouldn’t want to part with anything for him though. Whats his contract sitch?
Get rid of the loser point
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Blake
Is SJ’s captain, and they are a serious contender. He’s not going anywhere.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
but can the sharks afford him for next season?
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They’d rather let him go in UFA I think if it doesn’t work out
Get rid of the loser point
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i wouldn’t mind getting him for next season…help the boys out back there, yah he’ll be as useful as a stick in the face, but maybe someone can live with him
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
The San Diego Chargers of the NHL.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Plus, he’s a lefty, and what we really need for that scary point shot is a righty.
meh
by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
All Souray is is a slap shot. His 2 years $5+M contract and lack of defense scares me a lot. If it was just a rental I’d be more for it, but I’d be pretty pissed is Souray’s contract kept us from signing a real good player, or re-signing one of our young guys.
From there the only D men I see with a decent shot on the block are :
Phaneuf (DO NOT WANT)
I think getting Salei back is the Avs best option there.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
I’m sure the Blackhawks would be happy to unload Brian Campbell’s ridiculous contract, not that we would want it.
Braydon Coburn has been having an awful season in Philly and could use a change in scenery. He’s also a RFA at the end of the season and Philly might not be able/want to afford him. But we’d probably have to offer something significant in trade.
The “play the kids” strategy has been working really well to fill last season’s vacancies at forward. Perhaps that’s the best strategy to fill the defense vacancies next season.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jan 20, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn’t want to screw around with team chemistry too much while we are winning. If I were Sherman I’d be actively trying to unload Svatos and Tucker for picks. They are not producing squat and are expendable based on prospects the Avs have in the system. Not sure there is a market for Tucker. Lot of injuries on defense so I’d keep the D-Corps intact. Unless like someone above said, a sweet offer for Liles rolls in. Souray is not the answer. Yeah big shot but nothing else. He is even suspect defensively. BU is probably not going to make the NCAA playoffs so what is the possibility that Shattenkirk will be added to the Avs’ playoff roster?
I can’t remember the Avs ever doing the late season sign and call up of a college player. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did the same thing with Shattenkirk that they did with Stoa last year…basically sign him to get the contract taken care of, then wait until next season to actually start playing.
Beyond team history in this regard, I’d be nervous about trying to bring Shattenkirk straight in to the NHL, especially that late in the season since I think the knock on him has been his actual defense. If his D looks a bit lacking at the NCAA level, I can’t imagine it would clear up with a jump to the NHL.
The Avs did this with Wolski, but it was with juniors instead of NCAA. They sent him down after 9 games and then brought him back for the playoffs.
He scored a goal and two assists in his first playoff game, and then 1 assist the rest of the playoffs, so the precedent isn’t that good.
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I don’t feel like getting into legistics but it’d be nice to add a 3rd/4th line forward. I’d rather let Budaj go and bring up someone and the same goes for our defense, JML can bounce back and he has the time to unless he’s traded but I’d rather go with our prospects.
I don’t think we need draft picks, our team seems young enough.
If we can trim the fat, that’d be sweet (Tucker, Svatos, Salei, Preissing).
Rene Bourque or Tanguay would be a nice addition, maybe even a Petr Sykora type guy. Anyone who’s not too old, doesn’t have a high salary, and is note worthy and actually kinda good.
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
I think I remember AD or someone writing that Tanguay burnt his bridges on his way out of town and Lacroix doesn’t seem like the forgive and forget type.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
well we do have tanguay to thank for our 01 cup
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I disagree. Tangs did play great and I still like him, but Roy was pissed off. He was not going to let NJ win. Kind of like when the Panthers fans decided to pelt Roy with plastic rats. Rule #1 when playing against Roy: don’t piss him off.
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i agree, tanguay played really well that whole series
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I loved him, still have his jersey.
I think even if he hadn’t burned bridges he was pissed about how he was dealt. I doubt he’d want to even come back.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Just wondering,
was that the last fire Tanguay showed in his career? The one he used to burn the bridges? Seems to me that it might be…
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I think we need to give Salei a chance. He’s been injured all year. Last year everyone sucked ass. When he first came in on the trade deal at the deadline, he was awesome. I’d like to see how he rehabs and pans out before we ship him somewhere else.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just going to throw it out there
that I DO NOT envy the position that Greg Sherman finds himself in right now. I mean think about, he was probably preparing himself for a somewhat uneventful season. 2 week vacation to Vancouver in February, come back refreshed and get ready for a top 5 draft pick in June. Right? Yeah, not so much anymore.
Now he has to determine whether or not he will be making a move (or 5) that could potentially affect the Avs for several years. To dump Tucker or not to? To unload on Clark on some poor sap in (my guess) the Northeast? These are all relatively easy questions…YES! After that, eh….not so much. My intitial guy tells me that you don’t wanna risk messing up a great thing. Add some prospects and draft picks. The lineup is already getting a little crowded. I’m still wondering how Jonsey and Duke are gonna fit back into the lineup? How goes down? Gets scratched? Durno? Hendricks? More than likely it’s Koci, but that only frees up one spot. The Avs are sitting a lot better than a lot of people think and if it was up to me, I don’t mess with a great thing.
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by Derek B on Jan 20, 2010 8:34 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I think Sherman is in a fantastic position. He can go two ways: He can ship off some of the most sought-after young guys in the league for a 26-year-old superstar in Kovy, or he can sit and wait for those young guys to flourish and see what happens. In the cap era, that position isn’t found very often.
The Kovy trade is obviously not for this team, but you have to like the fact that we could pull the trigger if we wanted.
We also don’t have the expectations of a Cup this year. We are all still riding the wave of surprise with this team, but to expect playoff success is a bit premature. Next season we will be very young, and in very good cap shape. He can be like a kid in a candy story in FA. Once the expectations for success are there, that’s when Sherman will have to earn his cash.
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I’m just happy I have that day off. I’ll be camped out in front of TSN all day. I hate trade deadline day…
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 8:51 AM MST reply actions
What everyone else said
Lose Tucker, Svatos, Preissing, Clark, Koci and possibly Salei. Salary saved – $14,850,000
Get Rene Bourque, Raffi Torres, Marek Zidlicky, – Salary spent – $7,650,000
Total savings – $7,200,000, or to put it another way – throw in $300,000 and get Kovulchuk as well!
If you want, get rid of Koci and take Boogaard – at least Boogeyman wins his fights!
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yup
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
My thoughts
Goalies: Budaj is one of the youngest (i forgot he was only 26) of the unrestricted free agents. I have a bet he’d be snatched up this summer. Andy does need a good backup like him but if we are going to lose him why not get something back, like Chris Higgins, from the Rangers.
Defensemen: Can we get Andy Sutton? I love how physical he plays. Aside from Souray I don’t see any big blast from the point.
Forwards: There are some people I would love to see. Rene Bourque is high up there. I would love to steal him from Calgary just as a spit in the face. He’d be another good LW. Raffi Torres would be my second choice.
To be fair, I would love to make a move, but once Davy comes back, we have 2 SOLID scoring lines. We’d be running speed after speed. If Radar keeps shutting down teams and we have a bruising 4th line we may not need a forward addition.
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I would be in favor of Torres, not sure Columbus would part with him so easily now that they traded away Chimera though.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Buy very low, sell very high
It’s got to be a sweet deal, and someone worth re-signing for next year and beyond. A marginal rental player with “playoff experience” doesn’t have value to a team building for the long term. If this season finishes well, all of the youngsters will have playoff experience for next year when the Avs make a run deep into the playoffs.
I agree with Avalanche318 about Borque in Free Agency. I’d grab him just to get him away from Calgary. In many ways he reminds me of Stewart (big, fast, good hands). He’ll be getting a raise over the $1.4M he’s getting this year. The Avs should also be looking for a solid stay-at-home defenseman under 28 years old.
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by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 9:01 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Also
I think that Budaj and Liles should stay. God forbid, but what if Andy got hurt long term. I honestly don’t know enough about Weiman to say he would be adequate.
By the way…someone paid $4,000,000 for Vesa Toskala? Holy Cow!
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Same geniuses who spent 3.5 on Finger I believe….
by Brett Shumway on Jan 20, 2010 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I laughed at a guy when he was mocking the Avs for picking up Tucker.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
I was sad to see Finger go, partially for the comedy value of his name. I remember when when Finger came back from an injury, Hanyes said “And the Avs have their Finger back tonight…”. Peter almost killed over laughing, as did I.
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me too. Sauer as well. But I feel more sad for Sauer, who has to be saying “wtf? how did Finger get that contract when I got peanuts?”
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Very true.
I remember a game where Foote sat out with a hand injury and Finger sat out with a foot injury. Many jokes were made.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
I think I read somewhere that JFJ the toronto GM confused the two of them. Sauer actually had the better year coming into free agency.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Tucker needs to go, he’s hardly worth a bag of pucks. In fact, a bag of pucks would probably fall down less than that guy does. O’Reilly can come live with me. I’ll promise not to smack him on the butt when he gets kicked out of a face off (did anyone else see Pappa Tucker do that?)
While I don’t hate Svatos I think he’d make good trade bait and we should utilize that opportunity. And I’ll trade the cave man Clark for anyone. I also wouldn’t mind keeping Boodj around as a backup, but I think he wants to be #1 again and if another team will give him that he should go for it.
And I might not make many friends by saying this, but my god I pray every day Foote will retire. If I watch one more puck bounce off him and into our net this season, I will die. He had a good year as captain and it’s time to go out on a high note. Hand the C over to the Stastinator and be on with it.
Oh and,
what the hell is it going to take to get rid of Preissing? Does anybody have any faith in that guy. I don’t even want to think about how much we pay him. It’s such a shame.
And would anybody want Koci for anything? Talk about worthless. I’d like to see him gone almost as much as Tucker. Why Sacco doesn’t keep him on the Monsters permanently is beyond me. There have to be better guys we could call up.
by xskatebakerrx on Jan 20, 2010 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
Preissing
Was just a pawn in the Smyth/Quincey trade. The only reason the Avs took him was to make room on LA’s cap for Smyth. The Avs knew Preissing sucked, but it was the only way to unload Smyth and pick up Quincey.
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But they’re still giving him so much money! I would trade Quincey for Smyth any day, but Pressing getting 2.75 mil is awful! Especially since Quincey is getting $550,000…
by xskatebakerrx on Jan 20, 2010 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
just picture it as quincey as getting 3 mill. makes it a bit better.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
Since he’s in the minors, his prorated salary is counted against the cap, only about $800 K.
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And if he is called up? Does the salary jump?
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Agreed
When he was with the Leafs, I saw him crash Ottawa’s bench and that was awesome. I don’t remember Tucker’s last fight. He is a pest who doesn’t say boo to a goose. Spends most of his time brushing ice off his ass and taking weak penalties.
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Being critical of Foote is warranted at times. He is still positional strong but that hurts him if he loses a battle for the puck in the corner and the opposition throws it out the the point. If the corner man then drives to the net, bringing Foote with him, he ends up screening our own goalie if the point man takes the shot. I remember several goals being scored that way.
I think Foote is better then you give him credit for but he is by no means perfect. He is still very strong so as long as he continues to play the body rather then the puck he can continue making good plays.
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I give him credit for not being the worst D on the team. In fact, I’d say he’s in the middle- but I still want to see him go. I’ve never liked Foote, and then the Columbus thing really sealed the deal. I feel like he has good games where he makes some alright plays, and bad games where he seems incapable of doing anything but screwing us over.
by xskatebakerrx on Jan 20, 2010 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Burn the witch!
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 7:02 PM MST up reply actions
I had no idea that xskatebakerrx weighed as much as a goose.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
But does he/she float?
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
I’ll have some torches around just in case. Do you know of a good body of water?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
I do live a few minutes from Lake mead…of course it’s getting further away every day. And of course there’s probably plenty of other bodies to keep it company on the bottom if it doesn’t float.
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
I’m a she, haha and I don’t think I’d float. I live right by Chatfield if you’re local. I don’t think anybody would find me at the bottom of that dumb since I’d be covered in Coors Light bottles and joint stubs.
But really, are you guys messing with me because you agree or disagree?
by xskatebakerrx on Jan 20, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
Well that’s all and good unless you actually are a witch and then our faces would be red…
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
You might be a newt….
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
They are probably just messin with you. On the other hand, You are probably the only person around here I’ve heard say they don’t like foote.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
This.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 21, 2010 8:07 AM MST up reply actions
I’m not a real big fan of Foote’s play for long stretches, but I’m willing to take if for the other stuff he brings to the table.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Oh yeah, we were talking about foote, I got stuck in monty python mode.
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
Which means…if you follow my logic….she’s a witch!!!
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Saying something bad about Foote, Sakic, Forsberg, Roy, et al. is paramount to blasphemy around here. So as with all blasphemers we would like to burn you. Burning of witches often sets off the Monte Python mode as we must actually prove you are a witch before we are allowed to burn you.
Now if you hadn’t actually given reasons for your disliking of Foote we would just consider you a troll. Burning of trolls is perfectly legal.
Yes I disagree with you, but yes we are messing with you a bit. Remember to keep the sarcasm meter high.
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Ah I understand (well, I knew the witch burning was sarcasm, haha)! I haven’t been around long enough to have garnered what the general opinion of Foote is on here. I know people that either love him or hate him and I know many people that hate him.
by xskatebakerrx on Jan 22, 2010 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
As an aside
We need to go 16-16-1 to make the playoffs.
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Not sure that 95 will be enough. I think there will be more loser points awarded in the second half, and the line will be somewhere around 96 or 97. I think the Avs will pick up a couple of loser points here and there and end up going 17-13-3 the rest of the way for 99 points. Not bad for a team everyone had as last in the West.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Speaking of which
What is the single biggest turnaround in one season? Is it the Flyers from a few years ago? Looking at you DDC and that magical website you use.
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Keep in mind though, there are a lot more West vs. West games in the second half and much of the reason the points are so high in the West is because of all the points gained against the East. There will be lots of loser points, but there won’t be any more nights where the entire conference wins.
If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.
We may not make it
Because, according to Mirtle, this team CANNOT keep on winning.
It's hard to be a saint in this city
Jibbled
and I think he has sufficiently eaten that black crow flying around.
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, top of the NW division.
He is too busy covering the Leafs to date come back here and take us all on again if he still feels like the Avs are awaiting impending doom.
Or some other excuses will be made like the Avs still are not very good, it’s the rest of the division that sucks.
Hopefully #9 is not ten less than #19
Big Shots?
Lots of discussion on this MHH about needing a big shot from the point. I think we have that coming from down on the farm. From what I can see, most of our up and coming D-men are considered puck movers and offensively minded. Seeing how Sacco likes to pair his D-men with one offensive and one defensive (although at times I would question who among Clark and Liles is more offensive – pun intended). I think we need a more stay-at-home guy to pair with Shattenkirk, Barrie, Gaunce, or whomever gets the call next year. Who of the UFAs would we consider a “young Footer”?
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
I love Wilson
Best hitting defenseman we’ve had in years. And you can tell he has some offensive upside as well. The kid should become a staple of our future.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
I was thinking the last game he was our new Foote.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
and with hendricks being the new lappy all we need now is the new forsberg.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
One that isn’t made of glass hopefully.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Shush you. Forsberg is the greatest player ever, and I will have none of these disparaging comments made about him.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
by TheRed on Jan 20, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I still love him!
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
rec’d for being a bad ass!
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
Answering my own question
With the luck the Avs have had with young players, the D-man we’ve been looking for is Wes O’Neill. He’s the guy covering for Wilson while he’s out with a concussion.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Marleau
Patrick Marleau would be a huge pickup in free agency this offseason, because he could play wing for Duchene or Stastny as Marleau already plays wing in San Jose. He along with one descent defensive dman would make this team a Cup contender. Throw a 4 year deal his way and you’d get good value.
You’d be able to field a lineup that looked like:
Wolski-Stastny-Stewart
Marleau-Duchene-Jones
Galiardi-O’Reilly-Yip
Stoa-Hendricks-Mcleod
Hannan-Quincey
Wilson-Cumiskey
Shattenkirk-(descent UFA)
Anderson
That would be sweet.
Not interested
I think Marleau is having a great year because it is a contract year. He’s a career underachiever who has never helped to lead the Sharks to anything in the post season. He’s a rich man’s Wolski. Too expensive for what he is.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Bear in mind Marleau is making 6.5mil this season. He is having a career year, so lets be nice and say he signs a 4 year deal worth 38 mil, no salary adjusted for inflation. Your going to put a player worth that much on the second line?
PS, he isn’t leaving San Jose, he is enjoying playing with his team canada linemates for too much.
by RyanO'Reilly FanClub on Jan 20, 2010 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
I guess you are assuming Hejduk retires?
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jan 20, 2010 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
Making this season even more amazing
Is how well the Avs are doing considering how much they are overpaying for some guys. I think Hannan is finally earning his dough. But other guys, such as Liles, Clark, Priessing, Salei, and Tucker, certainly are not. It is going to be very important to get contracts like these off of the books and not create others. Problem is, as long as other teams have “scouts,” and “video tape,” and “accountants,” it’s going to be hard to unload bad contracts. The only thing that pisses me off now about the Smyth trade is that they had to take on another one in Priessing, with another year left after this one on it.
Things should be OK in the long run, as when some of our youngsters, and Andy, are due for raises a lot of our dead money should be off of the books. As long as Sherm plays it smart from here forward.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:19 AM MST reply actions
I’m not worried about Preissing’s contract at all. the amount is workable, and the real dead weight contracts get cleared up this off-season. Looking at the free agent class, and the Avs contract situation, I don’t think Preissing’s extra year will be any hindrance on the Avs at all.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
it’s a non-issue if he’s in the minors. the only impact it has is on the Avs bottom line
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 20, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Pressing might also like being in the minors, he doesn’t have to pay into the escrow.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
But my dream of Kovi wearing the glacial A would be more possible if his contract wasn’t on the books for next season. I wonder what kind of deal Kovi will end up getting? He’s shooting for the moon, isn’t he?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
Isn’t he asking for OV type money?
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yes
I want to see Kovi in a Unipron so bad it hurts, but it can’t be for a max contract. He’s good, but he’s not THAT good.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
Actually he might be that good. Who has he played with Atlanta? Any big names come to mind?
But put him on a good line on a decent team and he’ll score 137 goals (and that’s before Christmas time).
by Brett Shumway on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
last year he had little who has dropped off the deep end of production but there is always somebody. you can make the arguement which I probably would agree with that he make those guys better.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
How can you say Salei isn’t earning his dough? He’s been out injured. Last year cannot be your measuring stick because it was an abomination and utter failure for everyonoe. If he had sucked from day one after that trade, okay. But he didn’t. Perhaps we should give him some time after he returns from the injury before we start saying he needs to be dumped. Just my two cents.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
Hejduk?
Is signed for next season now, isn’t he? Anyone remember for how much?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:32 AM MST reply actions
$3M
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
That will be a great deal should he be relatively healthy next season. Hope this season isn’t a sign that his health is heading south. Regardless, I want the duke to retire with the Avs.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Hedjuk is still a young guy; he’s only 33. Were he playing for the Dead Things (I can’t believe I just typed that), he’d be one of the younger players. I think this knee thing will get better and he’ll be back for an additional season or two with the Avs.
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Nothing Major this Trade Deadline
I like to compair this Young Avs team to Chicago of 3 years ago. We have a pile of youngers that are plying well, and love playing with the group they have. Some are character players and do not mind that designation. Most Importantly they are all having a lot of fun with each other.
Let them get a playoff run in this season, and maybe even next season with the same core of players. 2 years from now is the time to evaluate picking up some players for a serious run at the cup. Right now any changes they do to the team should be in minor trades – IE Tucker and Boods, or VIA Free Agency. Think of the cap space they are going to have this off season when they get ride of some of the worst contracts in the league!
by RyanO'Reilly FanClub on Jan 20, 2010 10:37 AM MST reply actions
Two factors people might want to keep in mind
1) attendance
2) Pierre Lacroix
IF Lacroix is more active now, as he said he was going to be, you have to keep in mind that he loves to make a big splash at the deadline. Add in the fact that the Avs are still struggling to sell tickets, I would not be surprised at all if the Avs make a big move at the deadline. Kovalchuk would not surprise me in the slightest.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 20, 2010 10:49 AM MST reply actions
Only if they can lock him up long-term to a Hollandesque contract
Then I’d shell out:
Wolski, Svatos, Liles, a pick of any prospect minus Shattenkirk plus a 1st and ask the Thrashers to also take Preissing off of our books.
Don’t know if they’d go for that deal, however. I’m banking on Wolski and Liles still having some decent market value here.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Great points
The only thing we have going against us now is something Frei wrote the other day about us losing our “destination that prospective free agent stars want to be” status. Those big splashes were possible because of the sellouts and enormous franchise success. PL knew he could sign the big splashes beyond their existing contracts and sold them on the opportunity to compete for the Cup every year. But this team has me excited … think other players around the league are starting to take notice too? Would Kovi take a slight long-term discount for a chance to play with young stars like Stats and Duchene for many years.
You’re getting me all excited DDC. Stop it.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
I think we still have a great reputation with the players as a superb organization to play for. I know some fan negativity has set in over the past few years, but I don’t think that has extended (too much) to the players. The players (visiting team) notice the little things like the alumni presentations the organization has made this season. Recognizing players that weren’t all-star, HOF players shows a level of respect for former players that isn’t seen across all NHL teams.
I share the same opinion
As someone above in mentioning that I would LOVE to see Kovalchuk in a uniporn. But I just don’t know that I would be willing to part with whatever we would most certainly have to give up to get him. At 27 years old, he is entering the “prime” of his career and will be asking for the kind of money that will set him for the rest of his life. I would agree that in maybe 2-3 years this team is ready for a big move and serious run at the Cup. This year and next needs to be about gaining experience.
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by Derek B on Jan 20, 2010 12:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
SAVE THE CAP(s lock) SPACE!
Chicago! Look at that mess. After this year, they are screwed Salary wise. We don’t want the Avs to end up like that.
I say dump the bad salary we have when we can and save money. MAYBE pick up a D -man with a good point shot.
My point is, Wolski will be due a new contract soon—and at a comparable points per game level to the 6 million dollar man Stastny, he’s gonna want something in the ballpark. Stewart will need a new contract, and I don’t think he’ll play for 850k again. Ditto Quincey, Yip, and Galiardi. Anderson has one more year at his 1.8 million dollar salary, and if he keeps playing the way he has, that number will go up. Maybe not into the 6 million dollar range, but we could be looking at 3.5-4.5 mil.
All the bad salary that’s coming off the books is gonna go right back into the raises those players deserve.
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If Wolski wants in Stastny's ballpark
Buh-bye WoWo. The guy is putting up numbers this season, but he is still such an enigma to me.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Agree
Wolski seems like a $4M/year player. And that’s being pretty generous in my mind. That’s what Hejduk was making when he was putting up the same numbers, and Hejduk had a history of putting up those numbers.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Stastny is quite worth 6m per year, but that didn’t stop him from getting it.
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by BraxtanFILM on Jan 20, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
I do`
Stastny is the 17th highest paid forward and was, and he’s tied for 24th in points. He’s also the best player on the team. Plus he’s superb defensively. He’s paid exactly what he should be.
Seriously, the “Stastny is overpaid” argument completely baffles me.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait till you see my post on this. We can be best friends.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Question is, will he and the other cool kids let you sit with them at lunch?
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He’d better have a snack pack.
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 5:54 PM MST up reply actions
And chocolate milk.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
Well said Jibble
And remember he’s had his lines change. Give him Stewie the way Stewie is playing all year, he’s near the top 10.
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Don’t get me wrong…it’s not like I think he’s the only player in the NHL who is overpaid…hell, I don’t even think he’s the only player on the AVS who is overpaid.
I guess in a dream scenario, he would play for closer to what Anaheim pays Perry and Getzlaf - 5.35 mil per. I thought at the time, and still hold to it, that 6.6 million is a lot to commit to a guy who has never scored 30 goals in a season and has no playoff experience. I’m not saying he’s a bad player-not at all. I think he’s great, and consistent. But it’s a lot of money to shell out on potential, not proven performance.
I tend to sit in the Brian Burke camp on this one. Players don’t get 2nd level contracts anymore. If they have any potential, they jump right from entry level deals straight up to super star salaries, and it hurts their teams and the league in the long run.
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Stastny
does have playoff experience.. in 07-08
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
I tend to sit in the Brian Burke camp on this one. Players don’t get 2nd level contracts anymore. If they have any potential, they jump right from entry level deals straight up to super star salaries, and it hurts their teams and the league in the long run.
Agreed here, and it’s one of the few things I agree with Burke on.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
As others have said, he got market value for his skill set and contribution at the time of his deal. Would $5.5 million look better than $6.6? Sure, but think of it this way, would you prefer to see Kroenke hold onto that million + and see SoS in a Florida jersey?
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
But is “market value” what it took to keep SoS, or did they just give it to him? I would like to think they tried to negotiate a price with him, but you never know. Just look at some of the other contracts that are on the books. Giving a guy “market Value” isn’t always the best idea. Though neither is completely low-balling a guy.
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
and Bruno
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Chicago will be unique in that they will be sellers in a first place seat. Unless the NHL drastically increases the cap for next year, they are already over the cap. They are going to need to unload some talent to make next season’s cap work.
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I believe Chicago won’t be able to hold on to Versteeg, Seabrook, and Byfgulien. Any takers?
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
i’ll take seabrook!!
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This
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
This^2
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 33 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBROOOOOOOOK
Please.
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, top of the NW division.
That’s why Kovy makes so much sense for Chicago. Atlanta can add a whole line of talented players and maybe a good pick out of the deal.
But how does Chicago lose all that and not feel the pinch?
If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.
I think Chicago’s gonna lose all that regardless. Much in the same way FLA knew last year right before FA started that they weren’t going to keep Bouwmeester and at least got Leoprone (and a pick? Don’t remember). As time passes, ATL may find themselves in a similar position with Kovy (eg get what you can now, because you’re not gonna keep him in any case).
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Question- bq. If you were General Sherman, what would you do with your 2010 Avalanche roster come the March 3rd Trade Deadline?
Answer. Well, I’d make like the real General Sherman, and march to the sea, burning Atlanta and stealing Kovalchuk in the process!
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
Sherman’s March, in March? As in March 3rd? Kovi!
by Brett Shumway on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
For whatever my opinion is worth… I say get Kovalchuck! LW Motherf’ing Sniper. Who cares about his supposed lack of D if he is scoring a lot of goals.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM MST reply actions
He would cost too much. And I don’t wanna see O’Reilly/Shattenkirk going back the other way on a very possible rental deal.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
If you put Kovi on a line with Stastny
Stastny gets 100 points without breaking a sweat.
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It would be like adding Heatley except less douchy-er.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 20, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
and less mortal danger to his teammates.
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Wolski, Svatos, Clark, Liles… the regulars.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 20, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
Although Liles’ play lately has me changing my mind about him. But there are a shitload of others to deal besides O’Reilly and Shatterkirk.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Quit trying to pick up the nurse.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM MST up reply actions
I see what you did there.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Has everyone forgotten about Hensick? Is there any interest in trading him?
by c0nquistad0rian on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM MST reply actions
Interest form the Avs? Sure. Interest from other teams? Doubtful. I was reading a major website fantasy guy the other day (don’t remember who) who said he might be a good pickup, and that with the way he is tearing up the AHL he might get another chance next year, if not with the Avs with someone else.
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I hope he does get another chance, but I doubt it’ll be with the Avs.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I hope it isn’t with the Avs. To me, he makes Wolski look like a hard worker.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
This.
And I think somebody will be interested in him. Somebody who has a bunch of big oxen that can play with the little guy and make up for Hensick’s size deficiency.
by Brett Shumway on Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
And I think somebody will be interested in him. Somebody who has a bunch of big oxen that can play with the little guy and make up for Hensick’s size deficiency.
This is pretty much the approach any Svatos buyers will take too. Unless, of course, it’s lining him up with Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, Kovalchuk… and letting him be the one to pick up the crumbs.
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question about the tucker trade
so long ago it seems…but why are the leafs still paying him?? never really understood that..
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At least FG had the sense not to trade for him.
TOR bought him out (remaining salary spread over twice the remaining length of contract) and we signed him as an UFA.
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right yes, i remember that now, (him signing as a UFA) cause we took raycroft that year as well
my bad guys, but thank you for the clear up :)
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
The Leafs are also still paying Raycroft. Ouch.
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At least they get to stop paying him at the end of this year.
They owe Shamwow $1M/year until ‘13-’14!!
Double Ouch!
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wow..no words…except hahaha leafs!!
i will laugh harder when boston gets a top 5 pick
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Speaking of bad pay outs, Dallas still pays Avery $2 M until 11-12. Thats a kick in the nuts ouch!
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They really deserve it
It’s the “You signed a douche when you already had Ott” fee.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
What's even funnier is
Burke told the Toronto media that the 1st round pick was for 2011 so they would not lose their chance at Hall. Oops he lied.
Now Boston might get a Avalanche like pick as a playoff team. That may or may not be the best deal of the decade for one team.
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IF kessel works out, and whoever boston gets with their pick doesn’t work..well knowing the TO media, they will cream their jeans and laud burkie for his foresight..
but i really hope this blows up in his face a’la kevin lowe and dustin penner (save for this year)
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
Boston is my second favorite team
they are struggling this year and in part is losing 50 goals and replacing it with nothing.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
savard kinda fell off the wagon as well didn’t he? is he injured??
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yea, he and Lucic have missed time this year. Things have gotten so bad they turned to satan this year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
I hate it when I have to turn to Satan.
meh
by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Jan 22, 2010 7:37 AM MST up reply actions
Not just from the injury perspective, but for parting with Hossa, Hudler, and Samuelsson…and adding Bertuzzi, May, and Eaves?
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
No, the Red Wings are losing because Bettman is against them, and the refs are against them, and the media is against them … and the wind is against them … and the opposing teams are against them …
If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.
bertuzzi curse. = )
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, there’s a fuck up in the trade world if I ever saw one. Even if Kessel works out he’s probably not worth what Toronto gave up for him.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
They refer to Kessel as a late round pick that worked out. Not a Taylor Hall type pick that you can shape a franchise around. Plus, Boston is like us. They focus their team on 3 solid centers and go from there.
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2 solid centers and bergeron, that guy seems to manage to get himself laid out in a new and unique way each 6 months.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Speaking of which,
Svatos & Hensick for Derek Morris straight up?
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Glassjaw Morris? I dunno. What has he done lately?
meh
by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Jan 22, 2010 7:42 AM MST up reply actions
Regardless, Bergeron’s been Boston’s best player this year.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jan 20, 2010 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
Especially since Timmy came back to earth. That may be the second shorted Vezina reign ever.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
He’s rebounding a bit. I’ve been at the last few games and he’s been much better. He has an injury the team is talking about. During the Carolina series he hurt his hamstring. He worked on it all summer but it definitely affected him.
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I know all of that, but it doesn’t change the fact that because of his 2008-2009 season, I traded away Bryzgalov TWO FUCKING DAYS before PXH hired an ACTUAL NHL coach and have had to watch my stallion stumble all season. Rinne hasn’t exactly been blowing anybody’s skirts up either. I went from regular season champ to 13th because of Timmy’s failure to meet my fictional expectations. Bastard.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
I think Jim Carrey pumped my gas yesterday.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Needs – a good 2nd line LW (though Galiardi is filling the gap admirably in my mind), a solid defensive defenseman who hits (let’s just clone Ryan Wilson, kay?), a booming shot from the point (though this may be coming from Elliott or Shattenkirk), picks & prospects are always OK.
Available – Svatos, Hensick
Please, for the love of God, take them!: Clark, Tucker, Preissing, Koci
I’d like to see Rene Borque on Dutchy’s LW.
Kovi, would, of course, be phenomenal, but I worry about 1) our capacity to pay him while keeping the core of our young core intact 2) giving up too much of our young core to ATL for Kovy when we could probably get him over the summer if we want him anyway 3) his “sometimes” approach to backchecking.
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I think waiting to see if Kovy makes FA is a good plan. Not too many teams have the room the Avs do. I don’t like what I’m hearing about his salary demands though. He’s not worth $11M a year.
If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.
no one is, republican or democrat methods aside, the economy and thus the salary cap should start to recover after next season but no player now and certainaly not a non-center is worth that much, that being said, 9 million wouldn’t be overpaying him, if I was in charge of the avs $$.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
In reality what teams want Clark, Svatos and Sham wow? I know we all want them to be moved, but who wants them? I think this will be a fairly quiet trade deadline for the avs, maybe they pick up a depth forward.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:20 PM MST reply actions
i’ve got two words for you
Edmonton. Oilers.
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im surpised k-lowe has the brain power to get up and put pants on in the morning…knowing that by the end of the night, he’ll most likely have them fleeced by whatever team is in town
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maybe he just wears the same pants every day.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
You'd be surprised.
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But they’d want drafts. A lot of them.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
I think that cogent arguments could be made that Clark & Svats are each worth a middling prospect or draft pick (3rd or 4th, possibly a 2nd?).
Wow, what a Sham! is just, well, damn. I dunno. The only scenario I could see there would involve the opposing GM, Las Vegas, hookers, cocaine and incriminating documentary evidence of same.
You know, the kind Trailors Arnasons had.
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Do they not have TV’s and scouts there? I just don’t see much of a market for a #4 D-man, an often hurt former 30 goal scorer—who did that 5 years ago and an overaged pest who’s too slow to pester anyone. For me the glass is 1/2 empty for those three.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:26 PM MST reply actions
whoops Jibbled.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
- or 5 d-men are always in demand at the trade deadline.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Clark has to be option # 3 or 4 for most teams, I just don’t see the demand for the avs players—that the avs want to move. I could be wrong, I thought the avs would move just about anything with a pulse over the age of 30 and they moved…Leopold.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
You're used to West Coast Hockey
where teams actually have defensemen who can play.. defense. In the East, Clark is a top 4 guy and solid puck moving defenseman.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
is there really that big of a disconnect between the east and west because the avs games are on at 9 pm-ish?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:32 PM MST up reply actions
No, it’s a disconnect because the Eastern teams are just plain not as good.
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
This
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 7:18 AM MST up reply actions
and sucks.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
chicago
people have mentioned it earlier..they’ve got their heads hitting the cap ceiling, so they’ll be wanting to off load someone..
what do you think we would have to give to get someone like sharp?
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sharp/versteeg for tucker…our second rounder and..prospect x?
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I think a lot of Chicago’s problems would be solved if they could find someone dumb enough to take Hossa.
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Offseason
Chicago’s not doing anything that will hurt their chances at a cup this season. It’s Cup or bust for them.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
They’ll have to move some big salary for next season. They’ll probably try to move some $1 – $2 M cap hit players at the deadline to get at least something for their inevitable losses.
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agree
they will move them before the draft. They aren’t doing anything at the deadline, that doesn’t help them. Maybe a young player for a rental, but that’s it.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 1:59 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps, but pretty unlikely in my view. Part of the reason that they’re in such cap trouble is their historical lack of acumen in negotiating deals. Taking a risk that another team may be willing to live with whatever CHI puts together, even after substantial consultation with the other team, is a pretty big one.
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Latest according to EK
The Canadiens are in the market for a big time D-man, and rumors are that they are in on Souray as well as Hannan out of Colorado.
Camellari!!! Or any of the old Devils would be kinda cool…
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
THIS!
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though i wouldn’t mind if they gave us M.A Bergeron, he’s got quite the bomb from the blue
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
they’ve got a similar skill set..
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
what about Hannan and Budaj
for Pouliot and Halak (or Price)
personally i see a lot of potential in Pouliot in the right system…and look what Sacco has done for Stewie and alot of the other youngins
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by SportsDalaiLama on Jan 20, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
Halak wants a starting gig and I don’t think Montreal has quite given up on Price yet. I don’t want to bring in a disgruntled backup. We have Andy as the starter. Why rock the boat?
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Halak
I have read (Bleacher Reports, so take it FWIW) that Halak wants a trade, that he wants to be a starter, and that the Habs will probably want a high draft pick for him. So he goes to the Avs for a draft pick so he can play a fraction of what he is playing right now? Doesn’t sound like a smart deal to me.
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What if… Montreal deals Halak and wants someone like Budaj? And we take a forward or D-man off of their hands?
that would be more likely than the above-stated trade.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
except it leaves the Avs without a back-up goalie. But then again, the Avs don’t need a back-up goalie and if they did, well they have the Weeman and his perfect save percent. Right?
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
statically he is one of the best NHL goalies ever.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:31 PM MST up reply actions
Agree with Mike re: the keepers.
I think both Les Habs and The Adjectives are pretty happy with their Latandresse / Pouliot swap. Pouliot’s been putting up a goal every other game for Les Habs, so I don’t see them letting him go. If they do, I think that they’d want more than the used sweatsock/Tucker that we have to offer.
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I want to keep Hannan.
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me too. i’ve been a hannan suppprter for a while now. i’m not changing my mind now that he’s playing well.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 20, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t see us taking on a goalie at all. Halak or Price will be such a hot commodity at the deadline for a bunch of teams. I do wonder if they want Liles because they have no puck movement at the back end. They might ship off Plekanec. I know he is an UFA and their leading scorer, but they will not be able to afford him next year so he could be a rental.
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I went to a website that tracks ek’s picks and he’s hitting a whooping 3% of them out of the park. Not exactly a sterling track record.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:29 PM MST up reply actions
Soooo,
roughly on par with the Avs’ power play then?
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zing
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 7:43 AM MST up reply actions
I’m sure he won’t. A nice 3rd line veteran winger (replacement for Tucker) with wheels and playmaking abilities.
Got any suspects fitting that description?
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I like the idea of Torres, but given that he’s a UFA at the end of this year, I would want to be sure that we could keep him and not just rent him. I’m less excited about Sturm.
Also not sure what the BJs think they would want for him. They can have Clark or Tucker, probably even Svats or Hensick, but beyond that….
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I don’t really like Torres. Maybe he’s better now that he’s not an Oiler, but when I saw him play with regularity he wasn’t all that great. He often made bad decisions.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 20, 2010 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
I said above Donovan, he does two of those three things that tommelot mentioned.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
could you imagine the forecheck with donovan and a healthy jones and then throw in Radar. That’s would be an excelent third line.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Once Hejduk and Jones are healthy (next season), Yip and Galiardi drop into the bottom 6. So the 3rd line is three of the following (O’Reilly, Galiardi, Yip, McLeod). If that is the case, do you still feel like the Avs need another 3rd line winger?
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jan 20, 2010 4:42 PM MST up reply actions
I presume you’ve got Jones at 2nd LW and Duke at 2nd RW?
If so, I’d generally agree, though I’d test and see whether Gali or Jones does better on LW and the other guy would drop to the 3rd line (which will be fearsome in any case).
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I think Jones was producing way too much offense before his injury to be used in a defensive role on the 3rd line, while Galiardi has really been thriving in a defensive role. So I see the top 4 LW/RW as Wolski, Stewart, Hejduk, and Jones in some combination. Roles are certain to change anyway once the inevitable injuries arrive.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jan 21, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
get a rental
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, Yes. You’re not going to get your leadership from a 4th line and the 1st 2 lines are filled out.
I know those names sound great to us, but most of the hockeyfans out there never heard of any of those players.
My hope is that the leadership we need already exists in the current group of the top 8 or 9 forwards. We know there are some good character players among the rookies. I think the shared experience of this team proving itself early this season might make it difficult for an outside player to join the team and make an impact. I’m very curious to see how fare this team can go as it stands today. I’m becoming more confident in this team every day. Those are the reasons why I would be reluctant to tinker with the forward lineup very much, at least before the end of the season.
I agree that most hockey fans out there haven’t heard of these players, but that doesn’t dampen my optimism based on the team’s performance thus far. I think name recognition would help solve the attendance problem but I don’t think its important for the team’s performance.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe I am boring but
I say trade Svatos or nobody. Even if it’s just for draft picks. I really don’t want to mess with the chemistry. Svatos is really the only one who has no chemistry with anybody. You can make the same argument with Tucker on O’Reilly’s line but at his age nobody is going to send anything of value so why bother.
So if the Avs don’t do a damn thing, I think it may help the team. Unlike seasons past, even when the team was future hall of famer loaded, this team really seems to like one another. What are they going to think if you trade away one of their friends? Yeah it’s just business but these players are young and may not be able to just let it slide yet.
Hopefully #9 is not ten less than #19
I agree re: Svats, but would like to see if there’s anything we could yield out of Hensick, Preissing or Tucker (hell, even if we get an extra 6th rounder, it’s better for us than him weighing down the 3rd line, especially in the postseason).
I remain convinced that there will be sufficient demand for Clark to yield a mid-high (most likely 3rd, though 2nd-4th is the probable range) pick or a middle of the pack prospect (look for a big, hitting defensive defenseman a la Wilson).
Radar can move in with Duke or Hannan, for example, and the relief in getting Shamwow off his wing should be more than worth the task of getting used to a new bed.
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Sykora
What about picking up Sykora? The Wild waived him. He’s done nothing this year, but he’s also gotten almost no ice time with them. A possibility instead of trading someone?
His shooting percentage is pretty good. Clearly not a big sample given he’s scored twice this season. 25+ goals the last 2 seasons with P-burgh. Anyone know who centered his line with the Pens? He buddies with Hejduk? Is he hurt (a la Selanne)?
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
I was just thinking, is that the GOOD Petr Sykora or the bad one, cuz I’m pretty sure there were two.
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
Scratch that..
Anyways, he only has played 17 games this year. I think we should nab him if he’s not too big a hit and maybe call it a day. Throw him on the 3rd line, move Tucker to 4th.
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 PM MST up reply actions
Sykora doesn’t play the third line. Todd Richards said that Sykora told him he makes no sense unless he plays on the top two lines, and this is the reason he has been in the doghouse all season.
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
you really shouldn’t be in the dog house if you’re talking sense.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
So Sykora = Svatos + 5 years + some attitude?
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plus some clutch playoff goals, plus much more consistent goal scoring over his career, plus a couple of stanley cup rings. Sure.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
Sykora was scratched for all but seven of the Penguins’ playoff games last season. They even dressed Satan over him in game 7 against the Wings.
If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.
and they’re a pretty religious team.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
I'm starting to follow the Avs
I have no clue how hockey works, but they seem like a great, young team to follow.
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Anyone watching NHL On The Fly
NHL Network just gave the Avs big props for how they are bringing along the youngsters as players and as men. They are pointing to Colorado as the model that teams like Edmonton need to follow.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
I was watching NHL on the Fly? This morning...
And some chotchbag only had us 10th in his Power Rankings and Vancouver was 3rd…
by Avalanche318 on Jan 20, 2010 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
TSN power rankings have the Avs at 10, Calgary at 8 and Vancouver at 3.
They also rank Duchene at #5 in rookies behind Howard, Myers, van Reimsdyk and Tavares.
At least Galiardi has moved up (#7) Wilson is at #11 and O’Reilly #14.
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by Americanario on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Funny
Western Conference is kicking ass and yet they only seem to notice the players in the Eastern Conference. Games in the West must be past their bed time.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
If Crysby or AO was in the west, they would notice.
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I don’t think so, they would have hyped someone else.
I mean Iginla, Thornton, and even Getzlaf have been just fricking studs and they hardly get any ink.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Then send Crysby out west!
I can’t tell sometimes if NHL network has been bought out by FSN Pittsburgh.
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does vancouver remind anyone else as the san diego chargers of the nhl? The just should be better than their record. I would include calgary in that catagory but other than Igingla who do they have (I don’t include Jokenin, duchebag or that guy from florida because other than money they haven’t done anything).
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:37 PM MST up reply actions
who is howard? I know everyone else.
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
Detroits Goalie not named "WasNeverGood"Jimmy Howard?
Get rid of the loser point
Beer: breakfast of champions
He actually isn’t a bad goalie, but they are trying to make him out as the only reason Detoilet is still in the playoff race due to their injuries. If Detroit makes the playoffs
The biggest strike against him is he plays for Detroit.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: Have the wheels fallen off the bus yet?
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
I’m getting used to it. Hockey News, Buchigross, and others just aren’t ready to give up on their early season predictions. I think they’ll make the top 5 if they get to the finals.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
Damn, my first Jibble
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
I’m so proud. I live fr these moments
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 20, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
One day...
I’ll earn the screen name JibbleTwigg. Until that day, I look to my mentor for guidance.
Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!
by Busted Twigg on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
actually that rolls off the tongue, we should make up something for that .
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
Err
how about JibbleBranch. You know, for accuracy’s sake.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 7:20 AM MST up reply actions
You know something about Twiggy that the rest of us don’t?
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
No
I just don’t want people getting the wrong idea about me.
I only attach my name to things I believe in.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
You’re attached to Hopfenkopf? That must be awkward at meal times.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Only his name is attached to me.
’cause he believes in me!
(a la the corny 80s Kenny Rogers song!) – BTW, I know most of you weren’t born yet. Piss off!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 33 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!
I believe in German.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
My thoughts:
If possible, trade any or all of Clark, Salei, and Svatos for picks in this year’s draft. If necessary, use these picks to trade up to get this guy. Dude would be incredible on Dutchy’s wing.
As much as I can’t wait to get rid of Tucker, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to do at this point. He and Radar are probably set into a routine by now; do we really want to force Radar to move right now? I think we should make things as comfortable as possible for him, and I suspect not upsetting his current living routine is part of that.
by ExiledAmongYou on Jan 20, 2010 10:49 PM MST reply actions
OK, we all love Radar, but...
here’s the thing:
The kid is mature, big time, everybody says so. He’s also a hockey player, a professional, who has dedicated his life (short though it may have been heretofore) to the sport.
The benefit that Radar will derive from having the Liability on Skates aka Darcy (mother)Tucker off of his wing and replaced by anyone/anything, including but not limited to one of the stone heads from Easter Island, will be of INFINITELY greater proportion than any inconvenience he might suffer from being obliged to move out of Shamwow’s basement! Look at Radar’s scoring prior to Tucker moving to his wing and after. Night and day. Think we couldn’t use another center on pace for 25 goals? Hah!
The kid can sleep on my couch if need be (BTW, he makes something like 10 times what I do, so I hate to break it to everyone, but he could afford a furnished apartment and a cooking/cleaning service if push came to shove, not that it would need to), just get Tucker off the team!! It’s simple addition by subtraction!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 33 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!
What do you think anaheim wants for neidermayer? JML and a pick or prospect?
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 AM MST reply actions
Niedermayer’s a UFA this summer, but I have a feeling he’ll stick around with the Ducks for another year or two before retiring. But regarding the trade I’d much rather have hot pocket. Johnny has had a few off games, but I think he’s back.
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
What I am worried about...
when you’re in a rebuild, and you have early success, sometimes, you go out and sell the farm.
The good news is, the Avs have enough dead wood on this team, we might not have to worry about it…however, I wonder if these injuries will move us into a panic trade (and as we all know, they NEVER turn out well).
How about Tucker and a LE player for Yeller? Still a quality PK guy, who can win faceoffs. Solid 3rd liner.
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You going to take minutes away from O’Reilly as 3rd line center?
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
That’s the issue I am having right now, but man I would love to have Yelle there for depth though. You never know when these kids hit a wall.
It’s just difficult to see where we CAN make changes. Tucker has no value…Clark has some, but with the injuries to the D, can we really move him, or any D man for that matter?
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I would say yes because LE is pretty deep at defense. I would be OK with Peltier, O’Neill or gulp, Pressing if he’s playing better by then.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Clark probably has more value then we think. He is #1 in the NHL in blocked shots.
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is that because he doens’t play his man or because he’s lost a step? Just playing devil’s advocate.
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
let’s go with both.
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if they did that, i"d use him on the 4th line and move hendricks to the wing for the playoffs, thus benching Koci and making a lot of people cry happy.
I've learned that life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
+1
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