Is Stastny Underperforming?
There have been some grumblings and mumblings around the comments section here at MHH about Paul Stastny needing to step up and contribute more to the success of the team. People have opined that he isn't earning his $6.6 million contract (FYI, all of the contracts I'm discussing are in terms of cap hit, not year-by-year payouts). I've had SoS on my keeper league roster for a couple of seasons now and have a fairly good grasp of his statistical value, so I figured I'd take a closer look at his performance and compare it to his contemporaries.
First up, how is he looking in terms of career track:
2006-2007: 28 goals, 50 assists in 82 games for a 0.951 PPG average.
2007-2008: 24 goals, 47assists in 66 games for a 1.076 PPG average.
2008-2009: 11 goals, 25 assists in 45 games for a 0.8 PPG average.
Those three seasons average out to an average of 0.959 PPG or 0.33 goals per game and 0.63 assists per game.
This season: 10 goals, 35 assists in 49 games for a 0.918 PPG average (0.2 goals per game and 0.71 assists per game).
This projects out to about 17 goals and 59 assists for the season. That would put his season PPG at 0.927. Perhaps a tick off of his career average, but he'd set a new personal best for assists if that projection holds up. Assuming (for the sake of argument) that his season ends with that 0.927 PPG, that would be about $87k per point. That's a purely stats and cash analysis which has none of his intangibles, like his ability to elevate the play of any warm body put on his line, his two-way play, or the fact that he has taken more face-offs than anybody in the league.
Now let's see how he stacks up against his contemporaries...
Stastny currently ranks 14th among NHL centermen for points. In order to keep this to a truly contemporary argument, let's compare him to other centers within 2 years of his age with 3-5 years of full-time NHL experience. SoS is a spry 24 years of age with three previous NHL seasons under his belt. Here's how the short list looks:
Rank |
Player |
Age |
Yearsof Exp.
|
Cap Hit($millions) |
GP |
G |
A |
PTS |
+/- |
PPG |
$k/PT (82) |
| 3 | Sidney Crosby | 22 | 4 | 9 | 49 | 30 | 27 | 57 | 11 | 1.163 | 94 |
| 9 | Anze Kopitar | 22 | 3 | 6.8 | 48 | 19 | 27 | 46 | 2 | 0.958 | 87 |
| 10 |
Ryan Getzlaf | 24 | 3 | 5.33 | 45 | 12 | 34 | 46 | 1 | 1.022 | 64 |
| 12 | Nathan Horton | 24 | 4 | 4 | 49 | 16 | 29 | 45 | 2 | 0.918 | 53 |
| 13 | Mikko Koivu | 26 | 4 | 3.25 | 50 | 14 | 31 | 45 | -3 | 0.900 | 4 |
| 14 | Paul Stastny | 24 | 3 | 6.6 | 49 | 10 | 35 | 45 | 11 | 0.918 | 87 |
| 15 | Evgeni Malkin | 23 | 3 | 9 | 43 | 14 | 30 | 44 | 3 | 1.023 | 107 |
| 16 | Stephen Weiss | 26 | 5 | 3.1 | 48 | 19 | 23 | 42 | -5 | 0.875 | 43 |
| 17 | Ryan Kesler | 25 | 4 | 1.75 | 48 | 13 | 29 | 42 | 1 | 0.875 | 24 |
| 19 | Mike Richards | 24 | 4 | 5.75 | 47 | 19 | 21 | 40 | 3 | 0.851 | 82 |
| 21 | Jeff Carter | 25 | 4 | 5 | 47 | 17 | 22 | 39 | -2 | 0.830 | 73 |
| 26 | Matt Stajan |
26 | 5 | 1.75 | 49 | 14 | 22 | 36 | -3 | 0.735 | 29 |
| 27 | Travis Zajac |
24 | 3 | 3.89 | 47 | 13 | 23 | 36 | 12 | 0.766 | 62 |
| 29 | Derek Roy |
26 | 4 | 4 | 45 | 11 | 25 | 36 | 3 | 0.800 | 61 |
| 30 | Brooks Laich |
26 | 4 | 2.07 | 48 | 13 | 21 | 34 | 3 | 0.708 | 36 |
All the cap hit numbers were taken from nhlnumbers.com. The first thing that jumps out on SoS's statline in comparison to the other inhabitants of this list is his assists (1st). The second is his plus/minus (tied for 2nd). His 10 goals are the lowest among his contemporaries, but outside of Crosby, nobody has cracked 20 goals so it's not a huge distraction. One or two posts go the other way and he's right in the thick of things. The dollars-per-point over the course of an 82-game season column (the last one) shows that the Avalanche are getting pretty decent value for their buck when compared to some of the guys above and below Stastny on the list. However, comparing his production vs. salary to guys like Koivu, Zajac, and Laich (career high of 67, 62, and 53 points respectively), Crosby (generational talent making mad $$), or Richards (retarded infinity contract to spread out the cap hit) isn't necessarily apples-to-apples. So let's look closer at Kopitar, Kesler, Weiss, and Horton ( players with similar PPG rates this season).
Stastny matches up almost 1-to-1 with Kopitar in the value department. Kopitar's career PPG to this point is 0.88 compared to SoS's 0.95 so I'd give the edge to Paul if I had to pick. The Panthers appear to be getting excellent value from Horton and Weiss. However, Horton has career high in points is 62, Weiss' is 61 and the Panthers haven't seen the playoffs since the last time the Sooners won a National Championship, so maybe there should be more qualifications for 'value.' Their career PPG's also pale when compared to Stastny's (0.697 for Horton and 0.592 for Weiss). Kesler follows the same trend with good value, but a career PPG of 0.495 to this point and he's the second best center on his team.
The elephant in the room is Getzlaf. With a career PPG of 0.924, the Ducks are seeing redunkulous value per point for his efforts. Nothing else to say here. He's a good player. Damn good.
Taking all of the above into consideration, I personally think Son of Stastny is having a pretty good year. He's had rotating linemates yet still manages to produce (1st on the team in points; 3rd in shots, PP production, and +/-; and best faceoff numbers). He hasn't set the world aflame with powerplay production, but since nobody in the organization has a clue what one of those looks like for the last 3 years, I'm willing to give him a pass. He's playing a larger role in the team's offense and defense and seems to have broken that nasty habit of blocking shots with breakable parts of his body. He's not truly overpaid compared to his contemporaries, but rather is being paid what the market has basically set as his value. All-in-all, I believe he's the best player on the team and has been playing like it over the course of the season. Thoughts?
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Agreed
I think some people complain about SoS because he isn’t flashy like Getzlaf, Kopitar, or 99% of the players on your list. He does his work quietly and seemingly without breaking a sweat sometimes. He is a rock. There are no question marks with SoS – and on a team with players like Wolski, Svatos and a million unproven young players, the team NEEDS somebody they can rely on (and not have to worry about). I gave him an A+ on his mid season report card and I stand by that.
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Honestly, this is just a financial argument for what I have been saying. He is not a 9 million dollar player like Crosby. He is worth 6.6. I think with consistent linemates for the rest of the season, he’ll finish above 1.00 points per game.
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by Rather Dashing on Jan 21, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
For what they are paying him I think he should be putting up a PPG or a little more. I can understand that he’s getting the best D Pairing against him and I think with the emergence of Duchene as a pretty good 2nd center his PPG’s will be going up for the second half of the season.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 11:41 AM MST reply actions
Yeah, but PPG guys on that list make MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH more money than SoS, Getzlaf not withstanding. I’ll take his 0.92 for $6.6 million any day of the week. We’re talking about the difference between 0.92 and something like 1.09? That’s underperforming? I wholeheartedly disagree.
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I’m not going to boo him or anything and I think he’ll be there by the end of the season. 6.6 million should buy you a lot.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
I think that 6.6 million is buying us a lot. Our first line would be deflated without SOS.
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The whole team would be deflated without SoS
Honestly, I think he’s a major reason why the team is where they are right now.
THIS…
Stats 2009-10…
In wins: 35 points
In losses: 10.
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See, if he would just score more the Avs wouldn’t have lost those games…it’s all his fault.
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
Yes it is…BECAUSE HE IS TEH SUXXXXXXXORZZZ
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Sometimes I feel bad for Statsny
because Duchene gets all the attention and gets called the “future of the franchise”. Dutch is still a rookie; SoS is the real deal. Paul leads on the ice with a solid work effort. The Avs would not be sitting atop the NW division without him.
Stastny did get a lot of the “Future of the franchise” talk over the previous three seasons, and he also got a lot of consideration (at least from the fans) about being the next captain of the team. But his lack of “flash” so to speak has hurt him some. Every wanted him to be the next “Sakic” or “Forsberg”, while both were quiet in the way they approached the game, both were flashy on the ice. You just knew that something was going to happen when either of them got the puck. People don’t get that same feeling with Stasny, with Duchene you sometimes do.
Stastny is still a big part of the future of this team, but everyone is excited over the 2 new guys who are helping him now. It helps Duchene that he is the type of player he is. O’Reilly, if he wasn’t 18 or had spent a little more time in Juniors would he get as much press as he does? Probably not, he gets his mentions because of what he is able to do while being so young and so new to the NHL game.
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
I think SoS does get (or at least will get as he ages) a lot of comparison to Sakic. Joe was always that quiet leader who got things done when it was needed. Clutch performer who took care of business. I think Stastny will be that player for the Avs. Dutchy will be the flashy, Forsberg-esque guy the fans fall all over themselves for, but SoS will be the rock.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 22, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
A look at shots
SOS = 107
Kopitar = 146
Crosby = 188
Horton 125
Getzlaf = 105 (-4 games compared to SOS)
Koivu = 157
Malkin = 181
He is being outshot by a pretty big margin. I understand his role is a play maker, but sometimes the play is getting the shot off yourself. This is the only area I wish SOS would improve upon.
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As shots on goal is a subjective stats – there could be a systematic counting bias by the Avs official scorer (ie fewer shot attempts are registered as shots on goal).
My main issue with him is…I’d like to see him put the puck in the net more.
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He’s more of a playmaker, especially with Wolski and Stewart on his line. Thornton and Savard are both damn fine players, and neither score a lot of goals. I have no problem with Wolski and Stewart getting the goals.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
As long as the pucks go IN the net, I agree with ya, Jibs. Maybe just put him in better spots to get rebounds, and bury a few. Other than that, I know I took some shots at SoS when we looked like crap, but all and all, I think he’s the best player we have on this team.
I think the Avs have one of the best top 6’s in the league, when Hedjuk comes back.
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SoS needs to shoot more.
The entire first lines needs to shoot more.
Oh wait, the whole fucking team including Andy and Budaj need to shoot more.
Problem solved. Everyone’s happy.
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Well, we are in the bottom 5 in Shots for…so…yeah, I guess you can say we do need to get the puck on net more.
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and who would want that?
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Not only Hejduk, but Jones as well.
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by Rather Dashing on Jan 21, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
As I recall, Forsberg was pretty much a 1G to 3A ratio kind of guy. He had the luxury of a few 50 goal scoring snipers to take the microscope off of his lack of goals…
I think a big reason Stats isn’t getting a lot of goals has more to do with his wingers not being able to take shots when he sets them up (or create opportunities like elite players do to take shots with seemingly no room to do so) and is not getting many rebound chances. But the young ones are learning.
eh… I’m sticking to nonsesical posts after this.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 21, 2010 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Forsberg with the Avs: 202 goals and 503 assists…more of a 2-5 ratio.
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by Americanario on Jan 21, 2010 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
Statsny & Duchene
They are not Sakic and Forsberg, but I can see a similar dynamic developing. Sakic was the quiet sniper who could pass well, Forsberg was the dynamic playmaker who could score too. Now we have Statsny the quiet playmaker who can score and Duchene the dynamic scorer who can pass well. It’s a bit switched, but all the components are there.
With a strong supporting cast, they could be successful for years to come.
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by Busted Twigg on Jan 21, 2010 12:46 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again…
this team isn’t being built to win now, but to win consistently.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 22, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Who is the architect?
Given the teams recent personnel history, I have to wonder whether General Sherman or PL is behind this. The head office is so quiet, it’s hard to tell who is pulling the strings to build this burgeoning juggernaut. Most of the pieces were acquired prior to Sherman’s march to the top, but he did pull the strings on Anderson, Duchene, O’Reilly…
I guess it doesn’t matter as long as it keeps happening consistently.
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by Busted Twigg on Jan 21, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
In all honesty, I dont think we can lay the wreath at either of their feet. PL was out of play for the last couple years, and even though Sherman was involved the decisions weren’t in his hands. I don’t tihnk this really has been a designed and planned move; FG took the best weapon he had at each position in the draft, and the Sherminator did the same. They just seem to compliment each other perfectly the way these things sometimes happen.
The pieces just fell into place, the players have developed in just the right way and have the right natural talents.
Thanks Joe...
I’d wager Billington is actually behind a lot of it.
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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Jan 21, 2010 5:47 PM MST up reply actions
I’m going to go out on a limb and agree with FiveFinger…Billers has been the only constant through the last 3 GMs.
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Damn, should have kept reading before I posted above…you said what I tried to say but you said it better.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 22, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
I never used to think SoS was overrated, but looking at the stats actually make me feel like he’s quite expensive!
Expensive perhaps. But didnt someone say during one of these posts a while ago that he has the ability to turn even our great Koci into a goal scoring machine? He has the ability to lead the team one day, and I hope he does. To me he is worth every penny.
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Now that the team can finally settle down into its talent and find it’s identity, I bet you’ll see SoS busting out in his role: both a scorer and a set up man. His points will go way up.
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by NurseBeachie on Jan 22, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
See that’s my point. I think he gets paid exactly what he’s worth when compared to his contemporaries. He’s not a value like he was for his first three years and he’s not wildly overpaid or long-term like somebody like Richards. When you figure the pittance he was paid for those first three seasons compared to his production, I don’t have an issue with a half a million here or there on his current contract.
Look at it this way, his cap hit was $850k his first three years and is $6.6 for this season and the next 4. The average for all of those seasons? $4.44 million. As long as his production stays where it is or improves THAT IS A MOTHERFUCKING BARGAIN.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
When you are taking the 3rd most defensive zone faceoffs of all forwards in the NHL and still put up good PPG numbers and +/- (yes its a basic stat, but Stastny has no right to be as good as he is in this regard), you have a two-way stud basically.
Look at the names above him, Richard Park and Marcel Goc. The next player that makes your list of comparisons as far as defensive zone draws is Weiss, who number of draws is 11% less than Stastny’s.
So do we have to agree to agree, this is a pretty weird arguement?
I like stastny, I just got a smurfish #26 jersey….but…He’s 27th in scoring right now, tied with a defenseman. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that he be in the top 10. When you consider how well he shoots (when he does) and how well he passes. The difference is about 10 points (put him at about 53-56 points). So I think my arguement it that Stastny is only earning about 90% of his money. Which when compaired to some of the stiffs out there is still pretty damn good.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM MST reply actions
I think that IS too much to ask
The guy is the 17th highest paid forward, 25th highest paid overall. Considering the defensive ability and PK effort he brings, why would you still expect him to leapfrog over 7 guys and be in the top 10 in scoring (assuming they all forwards in the top scorers there, even though Green is currently 13th)? That seems to be asking too much.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
How many defenseman make more than Stastny?
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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
If we're looking at overpaid
Let’s look at Bouwmeester
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 21, 2010 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
He’s the 17th highest paid forward in the league. Also, the stats you’ve checked must be out of date as he is T-24th overall in scoring (with Keith, Horton and Koivu)
To expect top 10 results is not reasonable. This would imply that Stastny should outperform his contract by 2+ million dollars Stastny is far more of a two-way player than most of the other names on the list.
I think part of it is that Staz isn’t flashy as some of his better-promoted contemporaries, and his contract was signed during a time when no one really saw the salary cap ever staying the same or going down.
The Stastny contract was market value (with the expectation that he may take over Sakic’s role during the life of the contract) when it was signed. Despite some marginally-popular opinion, we’re getting great value from Paul’s play, especially defensively.
What I think comes into play mentally for a lot of people, is that when they see a cap hit over $6 million, they immediately have visions of flashy star players and high-scoring wingers. If his contract was $5.9 million, I bet you’d never hear a single complaint about Stastny.
This is not to say that I think he’s overpaid (as noted above), just that his salary puts people in a certain mindset.
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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Jan 21, 2010 2:57 PM MST reply actions
Malkin
Is a total slouch. Look at those crappy numbers. We should trade for him just to help the Penguins avoid the embarrassment. He’s sooo overpaid.
But seriously, the thing that has most people up in arms about Stastny is that he seems to have hit his plateau. He’s not going to grow into a dynamic player that will fill the highlight reels. He’s a solid, play-making, two-way player who will anchor a solid scoring line for the next 12 years. If I had to compare what I expect his production to be to a past player, it would have to be Doug Gilmour, minus Sakic’s fist in his face. We can expect solid points every season, with the likelihood of a breakout season here or there, plus hopefully a strong playoff presence.
However, that point production could all change if we add Kovy to his line. Not hoping, just saying.
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5.5 Million
6 Tops. I still think SoS is a bit overpaid.
Another intangible—he has no excitement around him. He won’t put butts in the seats. Maybe in a few seasons, but he’s just…boring. Don’t get me wrong, I love him, and I wouldn’t want him to leave the Avs, but he’s boring. It’s important to have that guy on your team that is a celebrity. Someone that generates a buzz. Nobody is going to talk about the Avalanche, and sellouts are going to continue to be scarce until one of their players transcends the team and generates buzz.
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Also, he needs to ditch the damn wood stick and join the 90’s! Get a composite stick, man!
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That’s why I like Stats…other than he’s been a PPG guy his career, but he knows which sticks still rock!
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so he can have a stick break every 3rd shift like everyone else?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
I’ll give you that he is not typically a highlight reel kind of guy. And I can see where a guy like that is needed right now. Someone who will pick a pocket in the neutral zone, skate past one defender and THROUGH another, and then get a goal. But I am not sure you can really blame SoS for that. Isn’t that kind of like saying he gets in too few fights? That’s just not how he plays, and the contract was signed knowing that full well.
But I do agree that we need a celebrity on the team to get people interested.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Stastny doesn’t NEED to be that guy who creates buzz though. I think our youngER guys are doing a fine job of that.
by Avalanche318 on Jan 21, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
I would say so
Seeing how many “Happy B-Day” signs were up for BW on Saturdays game blew me away.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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The way i look at it is this.
Staz doesnt get the hype, yet… But i can guarantee you that 1 or two big playoff runs with Stastny being a PPG player changes all that. First off, Avs are a western team, and players just dont get as much recognition. If Stastny puts up 80-90 points a year, you wont hear a peep out of me, regardless of how much hes paid. MattyD already is the type of flashy guy the avs need. Sakic would never have become the popular name if it wasnt for his 50ish goal seasons, 100+ pt performances, and outright dominance in the playoffs. It doesnt require flash, just eye-popping statistical performances at times.
Yeah
But we’re not paying him like a 100+ pt player – we’re paying him like a 75-80 pt player, less for a genuine two-way forward (which is what SoS is) so to expect him to produce like Crosby or Malkin when we’re paying him 70% of the salary is a bit ambitious.
He’s not that guy, which is why he’s not being paid like them.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 23, 2010 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
Is it possible for folks to wait at least until the season-that-shall-not-be-named and the night-we-dare-not-admit-to-happening to be at least a bit behind us before we do the whole tar and feather routine on SoS? I mean, last season was atrocious and Joe just retired; don’t you think Stastny had a learning curve here just like the rookies did? Tne numbers will come; of that I have absolutely no doubt.
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