Monsters vs. Barons Blurb
The @ MHH clan attended the showdown between the Lake Erie Monsters and our new AHL team, the Oklahoma City Barons, last night. OKC is the feeder club for the Oilers and were the Springfield Falcons last year. Going into last night, they hadn't won a game and looked to be about the same horrible on-ice product of previous Springfield teams.
The first period didn't do anything to sway that argument as the Barons and netminder Martin Gerber managed to give up two short-handed goals on the same power play (one to Greg Mauldin and one to David Van der Gulik). The Barons' power play is a carbon copy of the Avalanche in other words. Now I'm not saying that the OKC hockey community is savvy or anything, but after 7 consecutive passes on the man-advantage, even the noobs were screaming "Shoot!" Felt like being in a MHH game thread.
Entering the second period, the the Monsters' captain David Liffiton scored an even strength tally from the blueline that Martin Gerber still hasn't seen. It appeared to be another loss for the the Barons was shaping up. This being my second Barons game, I wasn't suprised. A few talented guys on the squad who try to do too much in the North American game tends to derail the little bit of cohesiveness the team has. Couple that with them only practicing together for the better part of a week due to late cuts by the Oilers and you kinda see the writing on the wall. The supposed 3,000+ in attendance (down from 10,000+ from the 6-1 loss on opening night) seemed pretty resigned to the loss as well. Brad Moran managed to score on a play I don't remember too clearly at about the 11 minute mark in the second for his first goal of the season. It gave the building and the team some life. Then LE took a dumb Too Many Men penalty that Moran converted for the first Barons PP goal in team history. The momentum shifted visibly on the benches and I started to get worried.
Entering the third, LE was the better team on the scoreboard and shot counter. They also carried the play for the majority of the game. But Moran wasn't done. He tallied again with just under 5 minutes left to play on a goal that John Grahame should be ashamed of. How do you get beat over your shoulder when you're 15 feet out of the net? Horrible positioning, that's how. All tied up with just over four minutes to go and a historic hat-trick for the home team. Neither team went into a shell and the chances kept coming. Then with less than two minutes left in the game, a Kevin Shattenkirk pinched to try to keep some sustained pressure alive and the Barons streaked down the ice. Highly-touted prospect Linus Omark go in on the Grahame-whopping party and scored the game winner.
Here's the quick and dirty for the Avs' faithful: The Monsters lost to a pretty bad team due to a combination of stupid penalties (they had 7 all told for the night) and eye-gouging bad goaltending. I'm not going to lie, I was praying I'd get to see Jason Bacashihua in net, and when I saw Grahame taking warm-ups I thought to myself "Self, this could be the first win for the Barons tonight." And then I thought "Why? Because some LE fans think Grahame is the SUXXORZ?" And I answered "Yes." And then I was like "Good enough."
Some game notes:
- Shattenkirk and the rest of the Monsters' D are really patient with the puck and make pretty good decisions on the breakout and in the O zone. If I was an Avs scout and needed a player to help the team this season on D, it would be Liffiton based on last night's game. He fought, he shot, and he scored.
- Shattenkirk was not paired with Cohen for a single shift. I'm pretty sure Shatty didn't take any PK time either. Not first unit anyway.
- Speaking of Shatty, he got a ridiculous high-stick to the face in the late minutes of the third and no call even though he may have lost a tooth. He was livid. The ref went so far as to demonstrate how it wasn't a high stick, just a stick to the face. The LE coach stayed after the final buzzer and "discussed" that call and another non-called elbow/boarding call in the 2nd period with the head ref.
- Ryan Stoa was a non-factor. (-1 w/ one shot). If you were holding out hope that riding a bus would motivate him, stop. It isn't.
- Mauldin isn't the biggest guy, but he plays big. If we need LW depth due to injury, he could easily hold down a spot on the 3rd/4th lines.
- Grahame is terrible. I don't know why he wears a catcher. He leaves his glove hand next to his side like a gunslinger for the vast majority of the play. He's not even providing net coverage. His glove-side post position is terrible, he goes to a paddle down on every stick-side back-door play, he doesn't move laterally very well and he's deep in his net. He did excel at screen plays as far as I can tell, but that could just be due to a propensity to drop early and often. He was a good communicator with his defenseman though, something Gerber is not.
- OKC got a win. Good thing too, because if this team doesn't start playing better, the crowds aren't going to come out now that the NBA is starting up.
- I want a LE away jersey so bad you guys...
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Thanks for the write up!
it’s always interesting
to hear about this stuff =)
"That F******* sandwich had it coming!" -Mike@MHH
Thanks for the report. LEM fans were on Grahame’s case last season and were stunned he was signed again. How were the Cohen boys? Cameron Gaunce?
by niwotsblessing on Oct 17, 2010 10:39 AM MDT reply actions
Wow, so Grahame is crappy on his glove side?
Shades of Raycroft much?
MHH: Mr. Howard, Doctor Jones will see you now.
Not according to his SBN scouting report:
“Has a great blend of size and mobility. Owns a lightning-quick glove hand. Is very confident in his puck-handling ability.”
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
Thanks for the recap, Mikey.
How’s the game experience out there? Are tickets reasonable? Do they do funny things between periods? Do they have ice girls?
Finally, I wanna thank God, because God gave me this Dundie. And I feel God in this Chili's tonight.
by Dan Winkler on Oct 17, 2010 11:31 AM MDT reply actions
It’s a work in progress. The prices aren’t bad. Lower bowl season tickets are about $20 per seat. In-game entertainment could use some work, the mascot could learn to skate, and the ice girls need to work on their chuck-a-puck retrieval skills.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Ice girls who are bad at retrieving pucks are better than no ice girls at all.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
Bubs was looking into an Erie jersey…those things are freaking EXPENSIVE!
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 11:44 AM MDT reply actions
Yes, they are.
Winnik is a fucking Win!
by Sandie Gauthier on Oct 17, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, but they are SWEEEEEEEEEEET, especially the red ones
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
Very much agreed! I’d like to get a Cohen or Cash…
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Martin Gerber is still playing?!?!?! I call Mike a liar. If Gerber is still playing, I am a Chinese jet pilot.
Younger and cheaper - Colorado Avalanche
Older and drunker - Me
Gerber played against the Wolves in OKC earlier this year, yes, Martin Gerber
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
He was Edmonton’s insurance policy in case Khabbi was in jail for his DUI.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Is that any weirder than John Grahame still playing?
Also, in case anyone has forgotten, both of them have won the Stanley Cup.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
I know Gerber did with Carolina, but that was all Ward after Gerber wet the bed in the first series with montreal. Who was Grahame backing up…oh yeah Khabibulin (pre-drinky) in Tampa
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
Embarrassed
I have been a hockey fan for yrs and its absolutely embarassing that a fan of a team would so negatively go after a player of that so team. My father played the game, and actually the goalie position (no I am not Grahame) and I was taught fans should respect all players on the team they like whether they agree with the way they play or not. If I were apart of the Avs organization or if this site is, I would be so embarrassed that we had someone that writes online that degrades one of our own. I do understand we all see things in our own way and we each have our right by law but to me until you play at a professional level like these other guys, these observations about play are only opinions . I just read the comments on another LE site and those that you pointed out as doing the same are also now and have been criticized for the same actions. Respecting the team is respecting the whole team, every player. Being a fan does not give any one of us the right to critically analyze these guys again unless we have been in their shoes! Thats why I believe those analyze that have played at high levels are the most accurate. Again very embarrassing analyst and criticizing from author.
This is an absolutely ludicrous position. To be a fan does not mean one cannot critically analyze a player and call him out for sub-par performance. Loving the team does not mean we have to be happy with it no matter what product it puts on the ice. The best articles across the sports world openly analyze a player and/or team for good or ill and give credit or criticism where it is due. I value this site because it does that unabashedly rather than doing as you suggest and ignoring bad play in the name of being a fan.
You say this article is embarrassing due to its honesty. I say it would be embarrassing without it.
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m also going to add this: I am friends with retired NHL players and have had in-depth, lengthy conversations with them analyzing and criticizing games, teams, and players across the NHL and AHL for the past few years. NEVER have they treated me as if I could not offer intelligent commentary about the game because I did not play at that level. In fact, I’ve made observations that have been greeted with enthusiasm as they are things they have not considered or are things they have noticed themselves. If they find value in what I have to say and respect me for being able to say them, who are you to tell me that what I have to say is embarrassing or disrespectful?
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
And I would like to add, that seeing Grahame play last year on several occasions that he is exactly what Mike said he was. Out of position often, very slow with the glove hand, and very slow in general. There is something to be said for veteran presence on an AHL squad, but if that veteran presence is sub-par at a key position (as Grahame is in goal) then it’s really no help at all
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
Yup.
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m sorry to hear you feel that way and that out of my entire recap you zoned in on one aspect. I will say this, as a goalie coach and someone who’s played the position for years, I feel my observations about Grahame’s play weren’t anything new or ground-breaking. He and Gerber both were doing things I (and many goalie coaches) would have pointed out to a student. I’d also like to add that he’s a professional, as in he’s paid to play at the highest level and with that payment comes the expectation of criticism, both valid and invalid. And you know who pays that salary? I do. I expect to get my money’s worth. So when I go against my local AHL club and support my Avalanche affiliate, I expect to see a good hockey game out of the guys who will hopefully be playing for Colorado one day. Grahame isn’t one of those guys and he didn’t deliver.
I also take humbrage with your assertion that because I’m a fan of a certain team I have to somehow censor or alter my thinking because they are my chosen team and only view them in a critically-positive light. That’s the antithesis of being a fan and having critical thinking skills. You can be a fan and still find fault with your chosen team’s players, personnel or management and it doesn’t somehow sully your fandom. I’m calling a spade a spade. Grahame had a tough game. His re-signing wasn’t anything heralded by the fanbase as a good sign, so I don’t know why you’re suddenly upset. Are you policing every other site as well? Must be tough to read the screen through the rose-colored glasses.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I am not a troll nor looking through rose colored glasses. Far from it. I just tend to not post sites. Doesn’t mean I am any less of a fan or a troll for that matter. Many people stay away from these places and I can see why. But this hit a nerve and thats why I said something. I grew up around professional players and continue to this day to work with organizations when possible. I stepped down from a pro team due to the time away I had to spend from my very young child. Yes my money is paying all these guys saleries too. And you may not have thouht you were coming off as bashing but as an outside reader, it came off that was to me. And I was speaking my mind as yes we all have the right to do. I tend to be critical when it comes to players as I have seen a lot of crap they have to put up with. Yes its part of the profession but there are times that some cross the line. These guys have to put up with a lot and some good writes on them to go along with the bad can go a long way. Yes we all have the right to call out bad plays, etc but to me to be a good rounded writer, you also praise that same player. Does not have to be in the same story but it should be done. Grahames last games’ win didn’t get much of a write up compared to this (I do know you were at this game), but as a writer you will have readers that do not agree with you and if you want to entertain the most people, you write both sides. Thats what the team writers I use to be around said was the right thing to do. I have also been at many games when fans would be all dressed up supporting their team then bash one of their own constantly. Only seems to fuel the other side. And no, I am not policing every other site. In my last comment I said another site, I never said I wasted time going site to site. This is actually the only site I have ever posted on. I tend just to read the sites to get info on teams I follow and to see what others are saying. To say the least, you hit a nerve and came off as bashing as I was hoping for there to be more objective posting. Again the objectivenss would be to give good reviews when there are good games. Is that too much to ask or is the negative the center of this site. I know there is both, give and take, but positives are nice as its shows appreciation and care for the team. As a coach, you can see much improvement and respect from thaose you are coaching by giving more praises than negatives. Thats true in any aspect of life. Children will respond and learn with effective praise and not just repremand or criticism.
And finally, yes you did point out the other problems just some words stick out more than others.
I can buy that you’re not a troll, but based on your post history, you can see why I thought that. However, your original post wasn’t about language you considered “bashing” or similar, it was about how I didn’t have a right to criticize because I didn’t play at the pro level and that as a supporter of the organization I shouldn’t say anything negative. Both of those are bullshit reasons for criticizing my post. If you thing I was overly harsh about something that is as fundamental to the position of goaltending as Grahame’s play then you should have said that instead of this:
Being a fan does not give any one of us the right to critically analyze these guys again unless we have been in their shoes!
and more stuff about respecting players and the organization.
And for the record, I never said I didn’t respect Grahame and the long, successful career he’s had. He’s a hellava lot better goaltender than I’ve ever been and ever will be. He probably has forgotten more about it than me, but it doesn’t change my observations and opinions of his play in this game. And that’s just it: I’m of the opinion that his play in THE ONE GAME I’VE SEEN THIS SEASON was bad. Really bad. This was a game that the Monsters should have won, but they didn’t, largely IMO due to goaltending. That’s my opinion and I never stated it as a fact or anything such. These were my thoughts after the game. This isn’t a news site, it’s a fan community. If you don’t like my OPINIONS or articles, I understand completely. But don’t EVER question my level of respect or passion for any member of this organization or team from some high-horse of personal mantra/feelings unless you’ve got something more than some buzz words that set you off.
BTW, what language was particularly bothersome? That his glove hand is useless with the way he positions it? That his lateral movement left something to be desired?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Oct 17, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Grahames last games’ win didn’t get much of a write up compared to this (I do know you were at this game), but as a writer you will have readers that do not agree with you and if you want to entertain the most people, you write both sides. Thats what the team writers I use to be around said was the right thing to do.
So, do you want us to write both sides, or just the positive side? I’m very confused.
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 17, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Or maybe should I just write about positive things in games I didn’t see?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I think it might be time to resurrect the Darcy Tucker Corollary
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Good call…I needed a laugh.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Oct 17, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions
That's the first time I've ever seen the video
I’d asked about it before, and the link was posted in reply, but I could never get the video to come up. That’s hilarious.
I'll sing you a song of college days and tell you where to go.
Aggies, where your knowledge is, and Boulder to spend your dough.
CC for your sissy boys, Utah for your times.
DU for your ministers, and drunkards, School of Mines.
"Don't send my boy to Wyoming U," a dying mother said.
"Don't send him to old Brigham Young; I'd rather see him dead.
But send him to our Aggies; it's better than Cornell.
Before I'd see him in Boulder, I'd see my son in hell."
One of Joe’s finest moments, IMO.
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 17, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Fixed
One of Joe’s Top 19 Finest Moments, IMO.
I'll sing you a song of college days and tell you where to go.
Aggies, where your knowledge is, and Boulder to spend your dough.
CC for your sissy boys, Utah for your times.
DU for your ministers, and drunkards, School of Mines.
"Don't send my boy to Wyoming U," a dying mother said.
"Don't send him to old Brigham Young; I'd rather see him dead.
But send him to our Aggies; it's better than Cornell.
Before I'd see him in Boulder, I'd see my son in hell."
by wtnelson on Oct 17, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hardy har har.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
Why thank you.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
LOL
Thats first time I have seen that one too. God thats hilarious
by Freakoffaleash on Oct 17, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Tears from laughter are streaming down my face, thanks Beachie!
Winnik is a fucking Win!
by Sandie Gauthier on Oct 18, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Now that you guys have hashed things out, would you be willing to buy Mike a LEM away jersey as a peace offering?
by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 17, 2010 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Geez, Mike, you’re so mean to those poor professional athletes who get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to play a game in front of thousands of people purely for entertainment and profit! THINK ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS!
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
And the children…don’t forget the children
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
WHY DO YOU HATE JOHN GRAHAME’S CHILDREN, MIKE? WHY?!!!
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
You didn’t punch him did you?
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Oct 18, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Uh oh, one of those huh?
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 18, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Seriously, it amazes me that some people can watch professional sports all their lives and not really get the point of them. These athletes get paid tons of money to submit their athletic performances to the general public. The public pays a ton of money to watch those performances, to consume them, and then spends more money on merchandising.
The trade-off for anyone who submits their professional performances for general public consumption (and extraordinary monetary return) is that those performances are subject to public criticism, fair or otherwise. Feelings and the expertise of the fan don’t factor in at all. Demanding that fans be nice to the poor athletes when those athletes—-who are paid very well to do a good job—-do a bad job is ridiculous.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
Man look at that suburban news guy, he really f’ed up on the pronunciation of subpoena today, someone better get that guy a dictionary.
It just sounds strange
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
Suh peena.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
I know how to say it, it was part of the joke
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
I think he was making fun of the guy, not you.
Bitch, give me your lunch money.
by Cheryl Bradley on Oct 18, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
We aren’t attacking the person, just the on ice performance. If we attacked the “off ice” person, then he can complain….
Winnik is a fucking Win!
by Sandie Gauthier on Oct 18, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
“[A] goal that John Grahame should be ashamed of. How do you get beat over your shoulder when you’re 15 feet out of the net?”
I think you should submit the question to Brodeur and the other goalies that Stewie is smoking this year. They can probably give you a pretty good run down.
I think Brodeur and Roloson were only 5 ft out of their nets not 15ft….There is a big difference in the angles at that distance.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Oct 18, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions

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