Western Conference Man-Games Lost to Injury
by mfured20 on Nov 10, 2010 1:57 AM MST
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Just a quick look at the Western Conference and how many man-games they have lost to injury. Take a wild guess where the Avs rank.
I couldn't find any websites that specifically track this stat, so I had to improvise a bit. I went through NHL.com and checked the roster of each club for players on the IR. Please note that these lists are therefor incomplete, since they do not take into account players that miss games with injuries but are not placed on the IR. Examples of this are Avalanche players Jones and Wilson, neither of whom were placed on the IR, but are still out injured.
I did include these stats for the Avs because, well, I knew them. I could have figured it out for all the other team by manually checking the player statistics for every player on every team, but... yeah, not so much. This should give us a rough idea of where we stand.
The only club that surpasses the Avs in Man-Games is Calgary. I double checked the players that were out on that club, and made some notes about them:
- Ivanans: 13 games missed. Enforcer, out with a head injury. He has 16 points in his NHL career. I figure he evens out Koci.
- Kotalik: 14 games missed. 10th year NHL player, averaging about half a point per game. Good player, but his production dropped off significantly over the last three years. This is his fourth club over as many years.
- Stone: 14 games missed. Seems to be a 4th line grinder type, with 7 points in 35 NHL games. He has a knee injury and has been out all season. VDG, maybe?
- Pardy: 14 games missed. Defenseman, and altho I don't know anything about him, he has an even +/- over his 3 years in the NHL. Only 19 points, but seems to be a good piece for Calgary.
So thats it. The Avs have lost our starting goaltender, our nastiest shut-down Dman, our solid 2nd line LWer, our 'enforcer', and a string of lesser role players. Tonight, we lost our 1st line LWer, and an up-and-coming 4th liner, one for many weeks and the other likely for the season. We currently have 15 points and sit 10th in the west, but a couple points could jump us pretty far up in the standings.
Any thoughts on who we call up? Mauldin had a good camp, Olver did fairly well for his short stay with the big club, and it might be ripe to see what Mercier can bring. Talbot is also cranking out the points, so he might be a getting a call.
EDIT!!
Its seems as tho I totally botched the Nashville numbers and glossed over their entire injury list. Chart is updated to reflect the new numbers. They are just as beat up as we are, and probably worse off if you take Koci off of the list.
Seeing as how I did that so poorly, I will double check all the stats when I get the chance (probably late tonight), but if you see something that I did especially badly/wrong I will be glad to update the list and get it right. Now its become a quest to get this list as right as I can to see where we stack up.
Also, the list of players for each team that are hurt will be added and subsequently updated as I find new info:
- Los Angeles - Doughty (5), Kaunisto (4), Parse (10)
- Vancouver - Bolduc (13), Desbiens (1)
- Detroit - Draper (13)
- Blackhawks - Bolland (5)
- Columbus - Moreau (8)
- Colorado - Anderson (6), Koci (14), Meuller (14), Jones (2), Cumiskey (3), Foote (7), Quincey (1), Wilson (2)
- San Jose - Joslin (13)
- Calgary - Ivanans (13), Kotalik (14), Stone (14), Pardy (14)
- Phoenix - Doan (5)
- Edmonton - Jacques (12), Peckham (1), Foster (1), MacIntyre (3)
- Nashville - Boullion (1), Erat (6), Goc (6), Kostitsyn (2), Lombardi (11), Lundmark (5), Rinne (3), Suter (8), Tootoo (1)
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The guys out for each team and the number of games they missed are -
Los Angeles – Doughty (5), Kaunisto (4), Parse (10)
Vancouver – Bolduc (13), Desbiens (1)
Detroit – Draper (13)
Blackhawks – Bolland (5)
Columbus – Moreau (8)
Colorado – Anderson (6), Koci (14), Meuller (14), Jones (2), Cumiskey (3), Foote (7), Quincey (1), Wilson (2)
San Jose – Joslin (13)
Calgary – Ivanans (13), Kotalik (14), Stone (14), Pardy (14)
Phoenix – Doan (5)
Edmonton – Jacques (12), Peckham (1), Foster (1), MacIntyre (3)
Thanks Joe...
Looking at the names, I don’t think any team compares to what we’ve lost. It will be amazing if we can stay in the playoff hunt. Of course, if we don’t, the pundits will have a field day and totally disregard the injuries (while last year they all gave the Wings the benefit of the doubt in that area.) Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 10, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
Screw the pundits! Detroit got nothing last year.
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by niwotsblessing on Nov 10, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
I did a table in MS Word and then just copied and pasted it. (Not HTML) I know I looked really talented, but it was simple right click action. lol
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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 10, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
That’s because Wings fans are a bunch of whiny bitches.
The pundits didn’t want to deal with them.
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by Luxury Yacht on Nov 10, 2010 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks for compiling this info.
Dr. Jones goes to the top line when he’s ready to play. Maybe we call up Zach Cohen for the 4th line, get some more size on the team?
LEM has a morning game today, and the Avs are in Columbus on Friday, so whoever gets the call-up won’t have to travel far.
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With 2 spots so clearly open on the big club, any player in LE that coasts for even a shift in today’s game should be traded or cut immediately. With that said, I’d love to be able to watch that game to see who goes hard all game without making any (or too many) stupid mistakes.
There is great merit to what you are saying here, thanks.
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by niwotsblessing on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
Two of either Mauldin, Olver, or Stoa get the call if Jones can't go
Unless they want energy then Talbot or Mercier. Don’t let Talbot’s numbers fool you… HALF his goals have been EN.
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I’m so used to half the Avalanche being hurt that I can’t even imagine a team making it twelve or thirteen games into the season with ZERO injuries. It makes no sense at all to me.
St. Louis fans are stoked.
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Insult to Injury
It should be noted that on the play when Gali was injured, he had cleared the puck out of the zone, and was facing the boards when Iginla hit him square in the numbers. According to the NHL rules, although not according to the Zebra, that is a 5 minute major penalty and potentially a game misconduct penalty.
Just saying.
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Iggy had so many douchebag moves last night and yet never got called out for them. See DGB.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 10, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
I am glad I’m not the only one who thought there should have been a penalty on that play. At the minimum it was interference, but should have been boarding.
The Avs defense is "air tight"....so tight it's gasping for air and turning purple.
by Americanario on Nov 10, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
I think it got some attention in the GDT, but given the aftermath I wanna see Liffiton take him out the next time we play.
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by niwotsblessing on Nov 10, 2010 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
If we call him up, we won’t be able to send him back down. Not advocating one way or another, I’m just saying thats something to think about. I expect that they will wait for another ‘big’ injury before they resort to that. With the possibility of Jones coming back soon, Muels in perhaps as little as a month, and Gally in 7-8 weeks, at least some of our forward depth should be returning. Not like they are out for the whole season.
Thanks Joe...
Hishon can be called up and sent down on an emergency basis
But needs to sign a contract first.
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It was a mere joke, but it would be kinda hot considering how he’s tearing it up this season.
All likelihood it’ll be Olver who gets called up. MAYBE Stoa, but I’m sure someone else here would know who merits the call ups.
by Avalanche318 on Nov 10, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
Isn’t he a center though? Knock on wood I don’t jinx anything but we seem to be pretty good on those atm.
by xskatebakerrx on Nov 11, 2010 3:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
it was my thought they drafted him with the intent on making him a LW, like what they did with tanguay.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 11, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
I miss Tangs!
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by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 12, 2010 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
the game notes that are made available for each game list the man games lost…but you’d have to go through a bunch of them to compile them all
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 10, 2010 8:22 AM MST reply actions
I looked for those, but couldnt figure out where they were. Are they on nhl.com somewhere? The only ‘notes’ that I found were the Game Summary and those didnt have injuries listed.
Thanks Joe...
no – well, yes but not a public section. the are usually listed on the individual team sites
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Yip also missed two games
While ‘nursing his groin’.
yep. worth reminding that I’m tracking all the injury and non-injury scratches for the Avs
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Foppa would actually fit in very well with this year’s team.
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Dear Avs,
You have the lowest player payroll in the league. You also have a ton injuries right now. Please sign ANYONE out there who might help us to get through this. We’re not asking you to break the bank. Or to stop “building from within.” Just, please, act like you give a shit.
Thank you,
-Your dwindling fanbase
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Careful what you wish for
Tyler Arnason is available.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 10, 2010 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
I would love him to be back.
Winnik is a fucking Win!
by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 10, 2010 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
Hell
Theo Fleury is off of Battle of the Blades, why not him?
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by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 10, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions
And what other way to say “thanks for helping us win a couple of Stanley Cups” than helping a guy get to 1,000 games?
Holøs - Norwegian for "Bench Kyle".
I’d be happy with Yeller. But Theo is pissed right now because he lost Battle. A pissed Theo is a good one.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 10, 2010 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
Never again.
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by niwotsblessing on Nov 10, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
The Good News
They’re on pace to end the season with only 287 man games lost to injury. Compared to last year with 340, things don’t seem too bad yet.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
What was it the year Sakic, Stats, Smyth were all down? The year before Sakic retired
I thought it was pretty Osgood to take a Bertuzzi behind the Draper, but it ended up blowing the Abdelkader of my Kronwall.
Underpants Gnomes Style
09-10: 340
08-09: ? <~ I know this is the year you’re asking about but can’t locate the numbers. All I can find are projections from Jan which say around 250 and seem WAY off. Especially since the Avs suffered a lot of injuries late in the season that year.
07-08: 325
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
So now we’re only missing nearly half a roster, right?
FW: Mueller, Jones, Koci, Galiardi, VDG
D: Foote, Wilson, Cumiskey, Quincey
G: Anderson
Another bummer about this situation is that it is probably making any trades the front office was considering nearly impossible to make.
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You could almost ice an NHL team with that list
Just ave to triple shift the Mueller Galiardi Jones line
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Yeah, I meant to put a full list of the missing into the article but I forgot.
As for trades, the moment that concussions come into the picture, the value of the Kyles plummeted. And with all the injuries, trading a player to ‘make room’ or in an ‘addition by subtraction’ manner is unnecessary.
Thanks Joe...
Admittedly, this is hard to do well, but...
How do you have an idea of where the Avs stand if you don’t try and do a complete job?
With Nashville, for example, I count 8 different guys injured, missing a total of 38 man-games so far (Lombardi 11, Suter 8, Goc 6, Erat 6, Kostitsyn 3, Rinne 2, Bouillon 1, Tootoo 1).
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I would have loved to, but I couldnt find the Game Notes for each game. NHL.com puts up their candy-coated, simplified version of the stats, and I didn’t know where to look for the real info. I’m actually not a writer for this blog, just some guy who was curious, and I don’t really know my way around yet.
If I can find that stuff I will gladly go back through this list and update it with the correct stats to get the real picture.
Thanks Joe...
Sorry if that came off harsh, just wanted to chip in with NSH info
I know, this stuff is a lot harder to assemble than it should be.
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Actually, the Nashville NHL site is nice enough to have that list of injuries. A lot of others, like the Av’s site, don’t bother to do that. They just have a list of the roster with an asterisk to denote who is on the injured reserve [which is why when I looked at the Pred’s roster, and saw no asterisk, I figured you guys were healthy instead of being far from it]. The Preds and the Oil are [I think], the only sites that have that full info easily accessible. According to the info posted on the site, The Predators have 43 man-games lost to injury, illness, or suspension. Has anyone been suspended on your club this year?
Thanks Joe...
No suspensions
I compiled my list based on known injuries, so there could be a scratch or two extra in there due that went unreported as such.
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that before
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Trust me, it wasn't terrible
It’s waaaaay too hard to put this info together!
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can we start wrapping the players in bubble wrap? it’s getting kinda ridiculous
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 12:18 PM MST reply actions
so with all these guys going down, you have to put them on IR in order to get an injury replacement cap waiver, what about the 23 man requirement? if someone is injured but not on IR can you call up someone to replace him if he’s not on IR?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 12:29 PM MST reply actions
If you’re still trying to update this, Sami Salo has been out all season for Vancouver, Keith Ballard has missed 6 games and Dan Hamhuis has missed 8. I have to watch the Avs-Canucks games on Sportsnet Pacific and their injuries get mentioned at least once a game.
See, neither of them are listed on the IR on the website. Crappy. Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks Joe...
Burrows was out for 10 too. He and Ballard are back in the lineup though.
Thanks a lot for doing this by the way, it’s really helpful!
Ballard actually was a healthy scratch last game.
Well worth giving up a first rounder for a healthy scratch.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 10, 2010 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
well if that was the game he was due to go comando on luongo then it was a good scratch.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 11, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
But Ballard being out just cancels out the injury he would most likely inflict on his goaltender.
by xskatebakerrx on Nov 11, 2010 4:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
SEASON IN DANGER!?!?!!
(Is that sensationalistic enough?)
Man, what a rotten week/weeks/months for this team. ALL THEY GUYS IS BROKE. Perhaps I’m being too much of a DRAMA PERSON here, but is it already time to start shifting into “just root for ’em to have a good game” mode instead of worrying about playoffs and shit?
Man!
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 10, 2010 5:41 PM MST up reply actions
all star format
NEW YORK (AP)—The NHL All-Star game is switching this season from the conference-vs.-conference format to captains selected by the players picking the teams themselves.
…are the players picking the team themselves then select a captain? Or are the captains selected by the players picking the team? Either way, sounds like fun, but I love the idea
of captains choosing up sandlot style. But what if Ovechkin and Crosby are captains, ovie chooses all euro/russians and crosby goes all north americans. Been there, done that.
Wrong topic ;)
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by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 10, 2010 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
OK. Sorry. :)
The data from wickediz, below shows the injury list given in the opening is not accurate.
Basically, the original topic is the Avs have more injuries in comparison to most teams in the NHL, and lost more man games, suggesting we have legit reason for woes.
This new, accurate data shows the Avs are high, but among a bunch of teams with injury problems. We might say our injuries have hit more key players, but
it’s a different topic. A post based on stats must be accurate.
I'm confused...
You were posting about All Star games, there’s a fanshot already about it. That’s all I meant.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 10, 2010 10:42 PM MST up reply actions
I’m confused, too. I said I was sorry about that post. My bad.
I switched the subject to the original topic. It has nothing to do
with the all star post.
sandigee, the first data on this post says that Anaheim has 0 games lost to injury and Vancouver has 14, while Colorado has 49. The one by wickediz says Anaheim has 79 and Vancouver has 60 games lost to injury while the Avs have gone up from 49 to 54. You don’t see how the first post is inaccurate and how it skewed the follow up posted comments?
Calgary – 83: Glencross thinks all these players are divers – 1, Bourque – 2, Moss – 11, Langkow – 14
Anaheim – 79: Lydman – 4, Lupul – 17, Sutton – 16, Fowler – 6, Sexton – 8, Beleskey – 7, Chipchura – 6, Jaffray – 17
Vancouver – 60: Ballard – 6, Hamhuis – 8, Burrows – 10, Salo – 14, Parent – 5, Rypien – 3
Minnesota – 58: Harding – 13, Bouchard – 13, Zidlicky – 3, Barker – 4, Miettinen – 5, Latendresse – 5, Kobasew – 2, Sheppard – 13
Colorado – 54: Yip – 2, Jones +1, Foote +1, Wilson +1
Fuck Detroit – 46: Rafalski – 10, Franzen – 1, Osterrible – 4, Howard – 2, Ericsson – 8, Abdelkader – 8
St Louis – 44: Perron – 3, Colaiacovo – 5, Polak – 6, Jackman – 3, Winchester – 3, Janssen – 10, Who the hell is Nikita Nikitin – 10, Sobotka – 4
Columbus – 43: Hejda – 2, Stralman – 2, Moreau +1, Russell – 5, Huselius – 7, Commodore – 12, Boll – 6
Nashville – 38: Dirk’s got this
Phoenix – 31: Jovanovski – 2, Doan -2 (suspension), Hanzal – 6, Morris – 3, Whitney – 2, Sauer – 15
LA – 26: Greene – 7, Mitchell – 0, Ponikarovsky – 0 (injured in most recent game, like Gali/VDG)
Chicago – 23: Kane – 1, Sharp – 1, Hossa – 5, Kopecky – 1, Campbell – 13, Morin – 3
Edmonton – 18: Horcoff – 1, Peckham +2, MacIntyre -1, Jacques +1
San Jose – 17: Mayers – 4
Dallas – 3: Benn – 3 (seriously, 3? wtf)
Referenced Sportsnet’s injury lists and Yahoo’s game logs to get this, haven’t checked with healthy scratches though. Should be accurate including tonight’s games.
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