So much for "Build from within"
First of all I want to thank Scott Hannan for his time with the Avs after he was traded to the Caps. Some of you guys said he was overpaid which $4.5 million for him was quite a bit, but he was a solid D-man in his time with the team. I would have liked to see him back next year, but I doubted that would happen so it is good they got something for him. I wish him well.
Remember back to the off season when Sherman said they would "build from within." I was okay with the idea because it would have been a bad idea to go after Kovalchuk (just look at how it is going with him with the Devils), but what we got was a team that really hadn't improved other than with Daniel Winnik. I would have liked to see them add more depth, but it didn't happen. Now 2 months into the season they are doing anything, but "building from within." They acquire Ryan O'Byrne, Matt Hunwick, and Tomas Fleischmann in three different trades. Are they a better team now than from the beginning of the season? Probably, but these moves seem to be moves you would do at the deadline instead of November. Maybe they weren't available then or they didn't think it was necessary. It is still early in the season so that makes you wonder why didn't they do this in the off season. I thought the O'Byrne trade was great. For their third round pick in 2010 they get a big physical D-man which was a big hole in the roster. Of the three the Hunwick trade is my least favorite. They give up a prospect I was really looking forward to for another defense man under 6ft and didn't really seem to be a need for the team. I'm still undecided on the Fleischmann trade (we haven't even seen him yet). As I said before I liked Hannan, but I thought he was probably gone after this year(I would have rather seen Wilson, Quincey, or Cumiskey go, but I doubt the Caps would trade for one of them). Fleischmann was brought in to temporarily replace Chris Stewart who broke his hand on Saturday. He is a UFA after this season so it could end up being a one year deal with him. He might be Peter Mueller's replacement if they bring him back because Mueller has been injured for a long time and no one can tell when or even if he can come back. What's your take on these trades. Is Kyle Cumiskey the next to go? I sure hope so.
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I see these trades fitting in with the philosophy. If a player is seen to be someone who does not fit the rebuild, like Hannan, and you can get some return in a trade then you do so. In this case, we got a top 6 forward who can help us remain competitive while Stewart and Galiardi are on IR, and who may become valuable to us down the road. If not, we are off the hook due to his becoming a UFA, or he can be part of another deal.
In these trades the Avs got a bit younger, faster and can remain in the hunt for a playoff spot in a very tight Western Conference.
Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!
Thanks for the insight
But this team was building from in to see what they had and would pursue what they still needed. Hannan is a good D in the right system but not the Avs. Cohen is still a few years from being aNHL regular unless his offense takes off to make up for what he needs to work on. Before Jones showed what he could do at LW, the Avs really needed a LW … Then Mueller got hurt. So the Avs went out and picked up players who potentially fit what they are doing and it really only cost them one possibly good player. This team has finally started to shift gears from just building from within and are now ready to take the next step. Look at LA who were always considered better than the Avs and they are spinning theirs wheels living off of the few core players they have and haven’t taken steps to fill their glaring holes up front.
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I agree. It seems like management has been pleasantly surprised to see that development is ahead of the curve/plan and is responding appropriately. Still getting younger, but now mid 20’s are okay.
I like it. Helps us now without hurting us too much later.
Now all we need to do is package our top two lines and trade them all for Kovy. He’s such a gamechanger, I don’t even think he needs linemates.
"I just had a chicken finger and it was terrific." Gary Bettman
Did we persue any major FA signings like the past?
Then we’ve built from within.
Look at the current roster and see who has come up through the system and who was traded for.
Yes, we have made some trades, but that is an inevitability of hockey.
I agree. Too me free-agency rather than trading is the anti-thesis of building from within. It’s expensive and short term. What you want to do is grow the talent, even if it’s swapped from other teams and then sign them to good long contracts right as they are ready to blossom, like we did with Stewart.
Look at how he’s producing and we still have him for several more years months.
Sorry. Knew at the time we should have signed him longer. That one is gonna’ hurt.
"I just had a chicken finger and it was terrific." Gary Bettman
I see your point. Oh, if only we had signed Volchenkov.
On the other hand, these trades are all minor. We didn’t give up any All-Stars, we didn’t gain any All-Stars. Not a single name involved in these trades is earth-shattering. We are simply rearranging necessary parts to fill roles opened by injury or better fit what Sacco is trying to do. A resounding “meh” is the reaction of the rest of the league, and many of these trades are only news because there’s not much else going on trade-wise.
If we trade Hishon, Pickard, Shattenkirk, Stewart, Duchene, O’Reilly, Stastny, or any future No. 1 picks, then I’ll start calling B.S. on the build from within. Moving anyone else in or out at this time is just adding complementary parts to our youthful core. And it’s not like we shipped off Cohen for Langenbruener. We brought back a young player who has a long career ahead of him.
"I don’t know what happened," said Kyle Brodziak, who scored two goals and tried to spark his team by fighting Chris Stewart. Stewart hit Brodziak so hard and so often, the Avs’ leading goal scorer broke his left hand.
Jones too, the guy is on pace for almost 40 goals. If he was moved the player coming back would have to be the shizz.
Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!
by niwotsblessing on Dec 2, 2010 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I’d way rather trade for these guys 1/4 way through the season so they can build some chemistry, as opposed to overpaying for guys on deadline day.
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There are two things about saying you are building from within:
1- you really are building from within, which is true with the Avs;
2- when you look for a trade, the other GMs know you are not desperate, so both parties look to get a fair deal out of it.
If you dive in the off season market, it’s always more expensive because you are dealing with other GMs wanting the same players; and, at the deadline trade delay, everyone looks a little bit more desperate to get the piece(s) that will allow them to make the playoffs or to go deeper in the playoffs, and it is in these times that you can become willing to give prospects you should not even consider giving.
Right now, Sherman makes the right moves without jeopardizing the future of the team, and I think, at the same time, he is gaining some respect from more experienced GMs who see he is not a fool but a man pondering things before acting.
Finally, about Cohen and Shattenkirk. We both saw them playing at about the same time, and something worried me about Cohen, while I was in awe with Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk is cool, he deals with pressure very well, like Duchene and O’Reilly did last year. He is a very intelligent young defenseman. Cohen has a hot temper; I am not sure, but from what I saw, I think he has problems controling it, either lacking judgement or having too much bravado. He is a defenseman who will take bad penalties, at least in his young years.
They forgot to bring me to Denver with the Nordiques; lately, they tried really hard but after the lockout, I was way too expansive... and I have the bad habit of sleeping with other players' wives, could that be a factor? Naaaah....
i love seeing the underrated Shermanator pull these trades off quietly and seemlessly seemingly without a hitch while the Kings not only publicly failed to sign Kovi, but now publicly made asses of themselves with the Marco Sturm business
It's all about the A-nderson
One of the best indicators is that Spector had none of our moves in his trade rumor column. We sometimes complain about lack of communication, but being discrete has it’s upsides. Does anyone think we’d have gotten as balanced a deal for Flash if the story about Mueller’s health problems had come out last week?
Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!
by niwotsblessing on Dec 3, 2010 8:09 AM MST up reply actions
I Lean Towards No.....
I do see what you’re saying, but:
Mueller is a loss, but not that big of a loss… if the Avs were 10-2-1 with Mueller, but 2-10-1 without him, then yes, some GM would try to put Sherman over the barrel for a trade.
One thing that stands out, and is a tremendous asset to Sherman, is the fact that whenever a player has gone down to injury, another has stepped up and fill that injured players shoes relatively adequately. So Sherman doesn’t have to come to a negotiation with another GM in a disadvatageous situation. If the GM tries to pull a fast one on Sherman, Sherman can hang up the phone, and know with relative confidence, that if he doesn’t make a trade, that there will be someone who can fill the need that that potential trade would have brought.
I guess what I’m saying is: No… the mueller article was minorly inconcequential to the Flash/Hobbit trade that was just made because if Sherman knew he had to give up too much, he simply would have declined the trade possibility, and called up someone from LErie, with relative confidence.

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