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Tough Decisions Ahead


While the 2009-10 edition of the Avalanche is more consistent than the 08-09 version, the recent three game losing streak confirmed what many already knew:  the young team lacks a consistent killer instinct.  Among other things.  Don't get me wrong, this team has far exceeded expectations and is by no means out of contention.  Too many pundits have constantly pronounced the Avs DOA after every rough patch there has been this year.  While I don't qualify as a pundit, I'm certainly not here to conduct an autopsy.  The pundits will certainly point to the more experienced teams in Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago and San Jose, who are finding ways to win every game.  The Avs, not so much.  Granted, it may be a dubious comparison given the talent levels of the aforementioned teams, but if they are what the Avs aspire to be then that is the standard by which they must be measured.  I will also once again concede the fact that this team was not expected to do this much to begin with.  But as long as they lack the killer instinct, there will always be pundits standing in line to deliver their eulogy.

With the Olympic break and trade deadline looming, it is clear that the Avs brass have some very tough decisions ahead, none of which are easy.  The next two weeks will go a long way in determining if those decisions get easier or tougher.  One thing that is clear is that if the current edition of the Avs hope to make any splash in the post-season, they will have to attain that consistent killer instinct and quickly.  It is also clear that the cost of acquiring said killer instinct may not be worth the long shot hopes of significant playoff success.  The surprising success of this season aside, it may be time for them to come back down to Earth.

Star-divide

When you are a young team, you learn to win by learning from how you lost.  Experienced teams find a way to get the game to overtime when it's tied late in the third.  Experienced teams don't give up third period leads.  Experienced teams will take care of the teams below them in the standings and find a way to beat those above.  The Avs are doing none of these things consistently.  Sure, they mopped the floor with lowly Edmonton and handled Dallas at home.  They subsequently fell into the Minnesota trap, couldn't handle Dallas on the road and couldn't score more goals than an anemic New York Rangers offense.  Let's look at the goalies they've been unable to solve:  Josh Harding, Alex Auld and Chad Johnson.  With all due respect to these netminders, they aren't cornerstone goaltenders.  Yet, the Avs managed a total of 3 goals in the 3 games against them.  Again, it's important to remain on Earth in this discussion.

I will grant you that the Avs are among the top 5 teams in the league in man games lost to injury, but we are always told that injuries can't be an excuse.  Besides, if you look at the players who have missed considerable time, only Milan Hejduk and David Jones really account for a significant amount of offense.  Yes, you don't lose those two without feeling it, but there are players on this team that are counted on for their offense and they aren't consistently producing, despite being healthy.

Paul Stastny is probably atop this list.  While I will acknowledge that Stastny's numbers are consistent with those he's put up in seasons past, more has to be expected of him.  And I am not simply talking about producing more points.  When Joe Sakic retired, this became Stastny's team.  Adam Foote may be the captain, but it was going to be Stastny leading the new generation.  That's an incredible burden to bear for any player.  Add an expensive new contract and the expectations only increase.  I'm not expecting Stastny to be a rah-rah leader, but I am expecting him to show that he can elevate his game.  There are point producers and then there are players who can single-handedly take control of a game.  It's not how many goals you score but when you score them.  It's not how often you make the play but at what juncture in a tight contest you make it.  These are the players that make the elite level salaries and garner the accolades.  These are the players that represent their country at the Olympics.  This is what Stastny is supposed to be.  While we've grown used to the mercurial nature of the play of Wojtek Wolski or Marek Svatos, Stastny is not akin to that kind of play.  It's not that he needs to step up his point production (though I wouldn't mind).  He needs to step up and take control of the team and the games they play.  It's not rah-rah, but it's what Sakic did.  When the team was in need of a big play, he delivered.  Stastny is supposed to be this guy for the Avs.  He needs to deliver.  Folks, Olli Jokinen puts up about 30 goals and 70 points a year, but I would never confuse him with a player that consistently takes over a game when it's needed.  This is a crossroads for Stastny.  He can either aspire to have the impact of a Joe Sakic or settle on being another Jokinen.  We all feel that Matt Duchene can become this same type of game breaker.  If Stastny aspires to do so as well, the Avs will have that 1-2 punch at center that they used to have with Sakic and Forsberg, both game breakers.  Add O'Reilly to the mix and the depth of this team down the middle could be unmatched.

Which brings us to the predicament the Avs management is in.  It would be so easy to sacrifice a key piece of the future for a dynamic scorer or a threat on the point.  It may also help the team in the short term, both in the playoff push and the box office.  If I really thought that this team was just a piece or two from being a legitimate Stanley Cup threat (not playoff threat but Cup threat), I would be more understanding of such a move.  But the Avs are not akin to the 2009 Pittsburgh Penguins, who were basically a Bill Guerin away from the jackpot.

When you look at the Avs roster, the only significant playoff experience belongs to Adam Foote, Milan Hejduk, Darcy Tucker and Scott Hannan.  Yes, players like Stastny, Wolski and Svatos have been there, but not to the extent of the aforementioned foursome.  Foote and Hejduk have been all the way to raising the Cup and Tucker and Hannan have both been through long grinds.  Add to that a host of youngsters who haven't even come close and this is a team that does not have the playoff experience that a team like the 2009 Penguins did.  Remember, the Penguins made the playoffs in 2007 but were dispatched in the first round by Ottawa in five games.  They used that experience to get to the finals in 2008 but still couldn't overcome Detroit.  They used that experience to edge the Red Wings in 2009.  It was not overnight.  It won't be for the Avs and shouldn't be.

Greg Sherman needs to resist the temptation to sacrifice any significant pieces to the future.  That means not giving up the Shattenkirks, Cohens or Elliots.  Leave the O'Reillys, Galiardis and Yips alone.  If you can get a Ray Whitney type player for a middling prospect and/or middle round pick, fine.  In addition, if you can get anyone to take on the contract of John-Michael Liles or willing to rent impeding UFAs Clark, Salei, Svatos or Tucker for the remainder of the season, it will likely only add to the cupboard.  Otherwise, this should be the one contending season we Avs fans should not be hoping for a Lacroix special.  As much as it may worsen the attendance woes the team has faced this year, they (and we) need to grin and bear it.  If they make the playoffs (or even win the division) without any sacrificial moves, great.  If not, the rebuilding will continue.  It's clear that they are on the right track.  There was an infusion of exciting young forwards this year and next year there may be an infusion of exciting young defencemen.  I know, I know, the Phoenix Coyotes and Los Angeles Kings have been rebuilding for the better part of a decade now and still are just beginning to enjoy the fruits.  Those same Coyotes had a playoff spot in their grasp at this time a year ago and subsequently fell flat on their faces.  That probably increases the temptation to make a big trade even more.  But grin and bear it.

This team could very well be comparable to the 1995 Nordiques.  They had a great regular season and a burgeoning young core but fell out in the playoffs because of a lack of experience.  We all know what happened the next year.  This is not to say that the 2011 Avs will be drinking from the Cup, but staying the current course will get us there a lot faster.

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by Uziel on Feb 1, 2010 10:04 AM MST reply actions  

I’m pretty sure this will someday be Duchene’s team. I love Stats, but I don’t think he’s going to be on par with some of the other elite superstars in the game, certainly not with Sakic or Foppa. You can see a whole other level, similar to those guys, possible with Duchene.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 AM MST reply actions  

I think one thing we are seeing is that he is out of favor with Sacco. Pretty unusual to healthy scratch your 3rd highest paid player. Logically, I think we have another player who brings about the same game to the table, in Cumiskey, who is younger and much cheaper.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Feb 1, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Because they’re all jealous of my love for him.

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: Much more gooderer than last year.

by NurseBeachie on Feb 1, 2010 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s because of a dislike for the guy as much as the fact that he isn’t getting ice time (which I have to imagine is frustrating for him), the Avs have a lot of defenseman at the moment, and he is one of the players that is young enough that there is potential to get more for him than say Salei.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 1, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Penis Hot Pocket envy?

by Brett Shumway on Feb 1, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Because Shattenkirk is supposedly amazing, and Liles is taking up his spot on the roster. Plus Shattenkirk is a puck moving defenseman with great offensive skills. That’s basically what Liles is, he’s just not as good. And he’s costing us $4.5 million a year.

by wolski-08 on Feb 2, 2010 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Except Shattenkirk isn’t here yet. I could see trading him in the off-season but it’s ridiculous to use this argument for trade speculation now. IMHO of course.

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: Much more gooderer than last year.

by NurseBeachie on Feb 2, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Liles is odd man out right now, and figures to be in the future too. It’s probably better for both parties at this point.

Although If I were Liles, and had put up 8 points in my last 9, i’d be pretty pissed at being scratched. (And the Avs have had some trouble scoring goals, I’d be inclined to use Liles right now.)

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Me too, we need a guys to score.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

And since he’s been back the “power” play has seen slight improvements. How many of those games during the 6 game win streak did the Avs score on the PP? how many did Liles contribute to?

Over the last 8 games that Liles has played (6 wins and 2 loses):
The Avs were 7 for 23 on the power play (21%) and Liles assisted on 4 of those goals.
He also added an Ev strength goal and assist.

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by Americanario on Feb 2, 2010 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

So much for the Souray talk. Out with a fractured hand.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Feb 1, 2010 3:51 PM MST reply actions  

Good.

If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.

by Dixomatic on Feb 1, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

As I said last night, it wouldn’t be the first time the Avs had traded for a player who was injured and couldn’t play till just before the end of the season.

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by Americanario on Feb 1, 2010 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep, just because he is injured doesn’t mean the Avs won’t go for him.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 1, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG you’re right! And witha ll the D men they have they could easily tell themselves they have it covered till he is healed….errr…

by From the Point on Feb 1, 2010 7:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly. Plus now the Oilers may look into getting another Defenseman (unless they are going to go on record about giving up for the rest of the year and using call-ups.)

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 1, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

What the hell happened to the typing there?
What I meant was with the extra D men…
But you figured it out.

by From the Point on Feb 1, 2010 10:49 PM MST up reply actions  

What about Corvo?

How about Hensick and Liles for Corvo and a pick?

Corvo for Liles might seem like a fairly lateral move. But, Corvo has a hard right handed shot and can run the power play. He’s among several UFA defensemen for the Hurricanes and they might be interested in Liles, who has offensive upside and is still under contract for two more years.

Regarding Hensick, Carolina is an offensive minded team that has had success with skilled forwards (Ruutu, Samsonov, Jokinen) who might not have fit in with their previous teams.

by c0nquistad0rian on Feb 5, 2010 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that if the Avs do one of these deals, and i’m not saying they should, that they would make a bid for Whitney. While the Versus commentators usually make me want to smack myself in the head with a ball peen hammer, they made a good point that Kovalchuck’s asking price will probably be too much for most teams to sacrifice.

Fly Navy!

by chopchopchop on Feb 1, 2010 8:31 PM MST reply actions  

Way too high seeing as how he is a FA right away.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 1, 2010 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

for Whitney or Kovi?

Fly Navy!

by chopchopchop on Feb 1, 2010 8:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats what I figured. The versus guys were throwing out the number of 5 players of various development for Atlanta to let Kovi go. That is way too much.

Fly Navy!

by chopchopchop on Feb 1, 2010 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Haha, thanks.

Sandie

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 1, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I would think if the Avs did a deal for a guy like Kovalchuk they would want to have a negotiated contract with him place so that they didn’t lose him at the end of the season

by jd21 on Feb 1, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I still wouldn’t give up five players for one

by wolski-08 on Feb 2, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

For Sale - No reasonable offer refused!

We the fans have had our fun. It’s “tank time” to get ready for next year, and not because they can’t make the playoffs; they shouldn’t.. The Avs need another strong draft class to fill the pantry for the future. I think it’s unlikely that any team will be able to fall below Edmonton in the standings, but Colorado really needs a non-playoff year to finish the re-stocking process. Next year should be the Avs first playoff run, and then they make a serious play for the Cup. It’s not that they lack the killer instinct. They lack the guns to do the killing. If they make the playoffs this year and fall out in the first or second round, they will be stuck in mediocrity. Sometimes you have to lose to win.

I’ve tried to put together list of the players that the Avs should actively shop around the league, and those that should be considered available if the price is right.

Players who should be made available at the deadline (or before):
 - Svatos
 - Liles
 - Salei
 - Clark
 - Wolski
 - Hedjuk
 - Hensick

If the deal is right:
 - Hannan
 - Wilson
 - Yip
 - Stoa
 - McCloud
 - Hendricks
 - One of the defensive prospects

That leaves a pretty short list of untouchables and unmoveables..

The target should be young talented roster players, strong prospects, and draft picks. Focus should continue to be placed on speed, aggressiveness, and intelligence. Yeah, it could torch the chemistry we’ve seen this year, but chemistry can only go so far. The Avs need more talent, home-grown talent. Then they can make the big push with a blockbuster trade for that key missing piece.

Two years. Can the MHH rowdies be that patient?

Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!

by Busted Twigg on Feb 1, 2010 10:03 PM MST reply actions  

Are you actually serious?

Being 4 pts out of the

division lead
is kinda far from “tank time”. This team is capable of winning, so why not win? I don’t think anyone is predicting the Avs to win the Cup but they ARE a playoff team and I wanna see this team in the playoffs.

Aren’t the Avs already full of young talent?

by Avalanche318 on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d enjoy a playoff run, but I don’t want to turn into the St. Louis Blues of the 1990s. They had the longest streak of making the playoffs in NHL history, maybe sports history, but didn’t even make the finals once. We need more talent, and that is best fround at the top of the draft. I think scouting is getting good enough that the Zetterburgs and Datsyuks of today are known and will go early.

It’s not really the relative position in the standings right now or even the 3 game losing streak. This is a seriously beat up team. They’ve proven to the league they’re tough, but they need more horsepower. Trade deadline is coming up and the Avs have a few players that could he expendable and might be in demand for a playoff push.

Who here expected to be contending? I expected them to be in the league basement and I’ve really enjoyed the ride. It will be better and more consistent next year, and the year after they will go deep in the playoffs.

Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!

by Busted Twigg on Feb 1, 2010 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

But what message does it send to the young “Core” of players when they are in the playoff race and the management goes and sells off the team? This is a young crew, and they are learning, you don’t teach them to win by selling off the team and hoping to be better next year. You let them fight for a playoff spot, and fight for as long as they can during the playoffs. Give them experience, not a fire sale with the promise “oh we’ll be better next season”.

Not to mention, you don’t want to suddenly tell these kids to “lose” games. I had the same problem last season when people where asking for the Avs to “lose” every game on purpose. You want these guys, especially the young guys to continue to have that “we can win every game and we’re going to fight to the finish” attitude. You can’t take a guy who has been taught to compete his whole life and suddenly ask him not to compete anymore.

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by Americanario on Feb 2, 2010 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

COUGH

Hedjuk has absolutely earned untouchable status!

09

by wflan on Feb 1, 2010 11:50 PM MST up reply actions  

IKR

And didn’t he just get a good extension?

by xskatebakerrx on Feb 2, 2010 12:45 AM MST up reply actions  

You’d have to ask mrs hejduk about that….or maybe beachie.

Get rid of the loser point

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Detroit Sucks

by TheRed on Feb 2, 2010 1:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Wow!!

Trying to tramp up this perfectly clean discussion?
I like it!!

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by gl avfan on Feb 2, 2010 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s what I do.

Get rid of the loser point

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Detroit Sucks

by TheRed on Feb 2, 2010 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

If anyone tried to trade Wilson

I’d have to fight them. And Hejduk is absolutely untouchable. I don’t even see how that can be an argument.

I think purposely not trying to make the playoffs is ridiculous. I’m going to be patient for a long time before saying we’ve got a cup contending team but embarrassing ourselves to get prospects that might not even work out doesn’t make sense to me. We need to fight to the end because that’s what this is about.

by xskatebakerrx on Feb 2, 2010 12:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Yip, Wilson, and Stoa should be untouchable. Yip and Wilson have been phenomenal in their first year in teh NHL, and Stoa’s massive frame reminds me of the years of having Brunnete. McCloud is one of those guys too that means too much to the team to let go. He has more heart and soul than most players on the team. Hejduk should also never be traded unless we’re in the shitter. He dedicated his life to te Avalanche organization and has only done great things for us. Trading him away is just a big FU to him. And damn I love Wolski’s potential but he needs to get his head out of his ass, and realize that he’s with the big boys now. No more screwing around.

by wolski-08 on Feb 2, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Untouchable

The Avs have 2 untouchable players right now:

Duchene
Andy

Stastny and Hejduk are virtually untouchable because another team would have to overpay so badly for them that only Milbury would make that trade.

But those are the only untouchables on the roster.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I think O ’Reilly may be another one.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Disagree

I think to get any young Avs asset the price would scare most suitors off, but O’Reilly isn’t untouchable. Expensive, but not untouchable.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

You are right, that may be more accurate.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

3

Tucker. Untouchable from other teams’ perspectives.

And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.

by Bob in Boulder on Feb 2, 2010 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Like a predator eyeballing a skunk.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Either my meter is broken,

or this post is so full of fail that words escape me.

I have no qualms or reservations about shopping any of the following for picks, prospects, a top 2 LW, a big hitting, defensive Dman or a booming shot from the point:

Svatos
Tucker
Clark
Salei
Hensick

I’d consider offers for Liles, but I’d want something right away (eg not just picks/prospects) and strong value in exchange.

Truth be told, the reasons that this team is doing so well, in no particular order is:
Andy,
the fact that the 2009 draft was extraordinarily deep,
Andy,
good coaching,
Andy,
some of the prior year prospects maturing and being ready to go (Galiardi, Yip, Wilson, Stewie, Jones)

To intentionally tank in the hopes of repeating this fortuitous confluence of circumstances is utter lunacy. In most years, you’d be VERY lucky to have one of your picks make the big squad, to speak nothing of two. Hall notwithstanding, I remain entirely unconvinced that the quality of this year’s draft is anywhere near last year’s.

And if you want to talk about attendance problems, just see what happens when this team puts the fix in to try and get a strong pick. They’ll have trouble matching the attendance of Colorado Eagle practice skates.

Then again, maybe I just need to turn up my meter. I sure hope so.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 31 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!

by Hopfenkopf on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 PM MST reply actions  

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannndd,

Hopfenscribbited!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 31 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!

by Hopfenkopf on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem with your list is that I doubt anyone wants those guys any more than we do, ya know?

I don’t think the Avs have much to deal besides Liles. Svats if somone is loopy and Tucker?

Really?

Why would ANYONE want Tucker?

ANYONE?

Stop it!

Not just you, everyone that keeps bring this up. Tucker going no where

by From the Point on Feb 1, 2010 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Can’t tell you that I can argue the point (that there isn’t a great deal of value in that list).

That being said, I’m willing to bet that we can get pretty good value for Clark (lots of shot blocks, puckmover, blah, blah). In the East especially, his utter incapacity to play defense won’t matter nearly as much.

Svats and Hensick might bring some decent value as well to teams looking for some offense cough – Rangers – cough.

We’re not gonna land Kovy with this lot, that’s fo sho, but many of these guys would constitute addition by subtraction and that, I’m all for.

Tucker for a 7th rounder? He brings grit ya know!

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 1, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Tucker…poor guy can’t even line up his checks anymore, half the time he misses the guy and slams into the boards. Sad.

I suppose Clark might bring something, that would be fine. There’s too many D!

Hey! I know, let’s have them play winger!

by From the Point on Feb 2, 2010 6:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I do think a lot of teams want Liles. A puck moving defenseman is one of the hardest things to find. Liles still has the ability to move the puck and he can shoot the puck pretty well if he wants to. Liles is only 28, maybe a change of scenary will do him well, and I bet you some teams are thinking that.

by wolski-08 on Feb 2, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Especially in the East. I think Liles would thrive on an East Coast team.

In fact, I think he’d be a really good fit in Carolina… and Ryan Whitney is available. It would take more than Liles, but that’s a place to start looking.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s what I’ve always thought. I really could see Whitney fitting in well with the Avalanche too.

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

By Always, of course I mean lately…

Sandie

"That’s the way we’ll win championships"- The Baron

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

By “Ryan” do you mean “Ray?” Or do you really mean Ryan?

How about Liles for Raffi Torres? Although I’m not so sure Johnny’s a Ken Hitchcock type of player, and they’re a “small market” team that can’t even afford to re-sign Torres (or so they say).

by Dan Winkler on Feb 2, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d be ok with this. Torres is a solid 2-3 LWer and won’t cost too much to get.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 2, 2010 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Your meter is OK.

I’m not suggesting all these players have to go. Far from it. I do think that the Avs will struggle from this point out just by how beat up they are. As the races heat up, I don’t believe their injury situation will improve. I think it’s time to open the kimono and see what kind of offers we get.

Your point about attendance is well taken. A good finish this year would help fill seats next year.

Games are worth only 2 points, DAMMIT!!

by Busted Twigg on Feb 1, 2010 10:54 PM MST up reply actions  

My primary objection was not as much with your willingness to firesale the team as a whole (though that is way off base in my opinion), but rather the thought that we ought to put the fix in to do a Ti4Hall campaign or something.

That, my friend, is the exact wrong way to build a winning team, by not trying to win at all times. For evidence, I offer, say, the last three games for your consideration.

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by Hopfenkopf on Feb 1, 2010 11:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure the team is busted up a bit, but in another week the WHOLE team (except maybe Budaj and Stastny) will get a rest. Hejduk is skating again and the two weeks will hopefully help his knee finish the season. Foote is skating and maybe back before the Olympic break. the two weeks will also help Stoa (shoulder), Svatos (groin – not that he’s been good anyway), and Hendricks. Salei is also skating and if he were still to suit up for the Olympics, it could be a good couple of weeks for him to get into game shape (of course then the Avs would have 8-9 D-men to worry about). I think that the Olympic break may in fact help this team in the long run.

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by Americanario on Feb 2, 2010 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Foote is skating and maybe back before the Olympic break.

He’s even been skating during games. I think he’ll be back.

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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 2, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

You’re right, Foote did dress against the Rangers….I think I was trying to forget that game.

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by Americanario on Feb 2, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, like he said, he “may be back” before the break. :)

Get rid of the loser point

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by TheRed on Feb 2, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Bwahaaha

Sandie

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 2, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

We’ve been pretty beat up at various points of the season. We’ve always found ways to dig our way out of holes. The injury problem isn’t even that bad right now. It’s just that the first line that had been hot as shit suddenly hit a dry patch. This is an extreme overreaction, kinda like what that guy from the Denver Post (Kiszek or something? I’m not sure…) said before we went on a 7 game winning streak.

Tanking is extremely pointless for us at this point, since we are not going to lose enough games to beat Edmonton or the crap-infested teams in the East to Taylor Hall or any top 5 picks. And anyways, we’ve been finding great players from 2nd round and beyond. Stastny? O’Reilly? Galiardi? Yip? Jones? Cumiskey?

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Feb 3, 2010 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s too early to make predictions about this year for years to come(in reference to your STL comparison). All I know is that they are good now, look to be better later. There’s no reason NOT to make the playoffs…

by Avalanche318 on Feb 2, 2010 5:44 AM MST reply actions  

There’s no reason NOT to make the playoffs…

And at least one huge non-hockey reason to make the playoffs. If Stan’s pocket gets lined with the pure profit of the playoffs, maybe he’ll be more inclined to spend more on the team, and especially it’s marketing department.

Get rid of the loser point

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Detroit Sucks

by TheRed on Feb 2, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Pass the pipe

The Avs using this for marketing next year?

Puhleeeease.

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by Drakenlot on Feb 2, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

hey, a guy can hope, right?

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by TheRed on Feb 3, 2010 8:11 PM MST up reply actions  

wat is marketing

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by UZ on Feb 3, 2010 7:11 AM MST up reply actions  

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