What I Think Will Happen at the Trade Deadline
by ihavethekrupp on Feb 19, 2010 10:37 PM MST
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I am a modest man in my predictions. As an optimist, I hope wildly for the acquisition of a new "young gun" with some real charisma (where are you Ian Laperriere?!), an unbelievable shot and sick skills to come to the Rockies on March 3 in exchange for Marek Svatos and Darcy Tucker. Oh youthful folly.
What I think could happen that may just be under the radar-
Apparently the Avalanche are now seeking a goaltender to replace Budaj for the stretch run (according to Aaron Musick). The hot name is Carey Price but I don't think that's a viable option. I do think that Budaj could go for Martin Biron in NYI but it seems like the Avs are trying to go bigger than that- perhaps the injured Nikolai Khabibulin for Budaj and Liles. He has been a backup and the Oilers would probably do anything to get out of the miserable contract they signed him to (his cap hit is not awful at 3.75 mil but the possibility of his retiring is). An aging goalie with a whole lot of skill seems better suited to a backup role for the next 3 years and Anderson could have confidence taking a night off once the thrill of being a starter rubs off next year. If Andy signs a similar deal to Jonas Hiller (4 year 18 mil), the 2 year cap hit of (4.5+3.75) 8.25 mil is steep but not unmanageable. If Magnus Pajaarvi Svensson were included, the Avs might make it a deal by including Svatos, Hensick, or Stoa.
Speaking of Hensick, the Avs may be inclined to move him due to his RFA status on July 1 and his lack of stick in the system that once touted his skills. A possible destination for a blockbuster is none other than the Philadelphia Flyers. The Flyers have many problems on the horizon (48 mil committed with only 3 aging d-men signed, no proven #1 goaltender, the possibility of one Ian Laperriere retiring and leaving the team with a 1.16 mil cap hit for nothing, and a crowded left wing with Scott Hartnell @ 4.2 mil, Simon Gagne @ 5 mil, and James van Riemsdyk @1.4 mil). Can you say target? Hartnell, Gagne, or van Riemsdyk would solidify the weak LW position immensely and their ages are 27, 29 and 20 respectively. The Flyers will want to move some cap space while not messing up the future or chemistry on their way to the playoffs that they pretty much guaranteed to their fans by trading for Chris Pronger at the beginning of the season.
The Flyers need a goalie and the fact that the Avs are considered one of the front-runners for Carey Price's services may be a sign of a potential multi team deal (the one thing the Avs do not need is a #1 goalie). Price's salary is reasonable right now and that's something the Flyers need with only $800,000 in cap space but they also need to move some assets to even fit him in @ 2.2 mil. Enter the Avalanche. The avalanche could easily absorb one of the Big LW hits (Gagne or Hartnell) giving them room to breathe and allowing van Riemsdyk to continue to progress on the 1st or 2nd line. They would probably be more inclined to move Hartnell due to his contract coming of age in 2013. So...a possible trade could be-
Budaj, Hensick, 2nd Rd Pick--------Price
Price, Stoa------ Hartnell, Patrick Maroon (LW prospect from Philadelphia), Brian Boucher
I would love for Lappy to come back for Tucker as part of that but I can't see him not being a part of Philly's playoff chemistry.
New trade thoughts for an intensely boring olympic day.
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Welcome.
And interesting thoughts.
I know you’re quoting when you say that Budaj is on the block but I wonder why he would be. He doesn’t cost that much and his performance in his rare starts this season ahve been basically on par with what we’ve seen from Anderson overall. I like Boods and don’t see a need for the team to move him. For once we seem to be set with a starting goaltender and a solid backup. I like what that end of the team looks like.
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I don’t understand why they would want to bring price to the team? He will want to be the starter not sit on the bench every game, look at all the goalie BS going on in Montreal right now. The last thing the team needs is to piss off their best player (anderson) by giving price ice time.
arrrrg no more goaltenders from montreal please!
Check your facts a little
Why would the Avs want to bring in an overpaid, on-the-decline (37 years old) and injured goalie like Khabibulin if they are making a legit playoff run? That makes no sense. Khabi hasn’t been the backup in Edmonton, he’s been recovering from surgery for a herniated disk in his back and Edmonton stated he was likely out for the season. Plus now he’s facing a DUI charge in Arizona. That’s EXACTLY what the Avs want for a stretch run…
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
I admit the Khabibulin trade is a stretch but my thinking was the desperate need for the Oilers to get out of cap trouble may incline them to package something more sweet in the deal (Svensson) and the age of Khabibulin would send a clear message to Anderson that he would be merely a backup. During the injury Weiman could step into the backup role. The DUI charge only makes the Oilers more desperate to get rid of him. Also, in the first game he played against the Avs this year he was pretty outstanding.
If Budaj can’t be re-signed, it would behoove the Avs to move him at the deadline (I’m not convinced he wants to stay in CO just to be a 10-14 game per year backup at age 27). It seems to me that the Avs will either look for someone young and promising or nearing the end of their career if they do move him. I like the goaltending pairing too- the Price rumors just got me thinking that they are probably looking to move Budaj.
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by ihavethekrupp on Feb 20, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Budaj for Khabbi
sounds like a fantastic deal for the Oiler and for Budaj. Budaj would get to play and the Oilers would rid themselves of a huge contract and an aging injured player. As for the Avs and security in the back-up goaltending role . . .
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I’m not sure Paarjavi-Svensson is enough of an incentive to screw up our cap situation, especially when we need to lock down some of the young stars we already have. I also don’t think Oilers would contemplate trading P-S. We’ve seen how having 2 big-contract goalies who both believe they should be no. 1 work out in Chicago. Needless to say, I prefer the goalie situation we have right now.
I don’t think the Avs really need to do anything with Budaj. He is a goalie a year removed from being considered “terrible” (he wasn’t, but Avs’ last season tainted him by association), and only played very sporadically this year (though he played very well). His market value is low, especially in a market when guys like Price/Halak, Turco, Biron, and maybe even Vokoun could be had. He will get at most a 3rd round pick or a medium prospect by himself, so we might as well leave him on our bench for the rest of the season and just let him walk.
Budaj is the perfect backup goalie. He’s a great teammate and a solid 2nd option. The only reason we would trade him is if he wants to go himself. Otherwise, there are other guys that the management is probably more interested in shopping.
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Don't think the Avs will be looking for a goaltender
Reminds me of the Tommy Salo trade we made super long ago (remember). It would be sweet to take one of those contracts from Philly tho (Gagne, Hartnell in a unipron?).
I don’t really care what happens as long as Svatos and Liles are gone (I like Liles but if we’re gonna bench him a lot he might as well leave, not to mention that I’m excited to see what we could get for those two).
I can understand the point of bringing in a big name backup goalie
If you think goaltending is the major weakness preventing a Stanley Cup run. I probably wouldn’t feel all that confident if my two goalies were Anderson and Budaj and I were, say, San Jose. But we’re really not tooling up for a Stanley Cup run this season so it seems completely pointless and counterproductive to tie up a huge wodge of cap space just for a backup goalie.
If we move Boods, and I think it’s possible, as most things are in today’s NHL, it’ll be to give Tyler Weiman a shot at the #2 role.
Yeah
Boods won’t be leaving until he’s a UFA.
But I hate to say it, I don’t think he’ll resign with the Avs. I’ve got a feeling he’s gonna want to try playing elsewhere.
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I just don’t see any reason to move Budaj for another goalie. If you are bringing in a guy to back up Anderson and his job is basically to show up to practice and open the door on the bench, Budaj is perfect because he seems to be taking it all in stride, quietly. Unless there is something behind the scenes that we don’t see (and there very well could be), why get rid of the guy that isn’t complaining about sitting? Most back ups are going to want a chance to play and move into the starting position.
So unless there is a problem with Budaj, behind the scenes, the only reason the Avs should be trying to move him are to:
a) give Weiman, Sauer a chance to sit the bench behind Anderson (if the back-up isn’t going to play why bring anyone up).
b) maybe they have chanced their goals this season and they want a goalie with playoff experience to make a Cup run
c) they aren’t going to re-sign him at the end of the season (UFA) and want to get what ever they can out of him (I.E. picks)
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C is the most reasonable option
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I said it once and I will say it again the AVs need a blast from the Point. i know I know we have some kids coming in the next couple years but are we sure about them?? I am really sitting here saying can the Olympics get over with so the trades can happen because it is really making me wonder what is going to happen….
As for Boods the only option i see is option C. Please don’t bring in Price huge mistake, let Wiemann get his shot.
I had the craziest dream last night about that…Svats, Clark and Stoa for some big name blaster (can’t for the life of me remember who) that made everyone say HOLY CRAP, WHAT A DEAL plus a second pick. There were also the mumblings of surprise, by me included, that Liles was kept. It all went down first thing in the morning on the first day trading resumes.
Dream came out of nowhere cuz this trade shit is the furthest hockey related thing from my mind right now. Hell, Avs hockey was pretty far from my mind last night.
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by NurseBeachie on Feb 23, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
Need to keep Khabi out of the drunk tank it seems.
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/02/17/oilers-nikolai-khabibulin-faces-dui-speeding-charges/
Probably not what we need right now.
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Hello
I came to this page via SB Nation’s front page on the Flyers. I’m a regular contributor at Broad Street Hockey but have never ventured here until now.
Since you mentioned the Flyers here, I’ll try to clarify a couple of things for you – and hopefully get some clarification in return.
1. bq. The Flyers have many problems on the horizon (48 mil committed with only 3 aging d-men signed
This is incorrect. The Flyers have two aging d-men signed in Pronger and Timonen. They also have Matt Carle for next year, and Oskars Bartulis for the next two; I certainly wouldn’t refer to either of them as “aging.”
2. bq. no proven #1 goaltender
True, but what else is new? Michael Leighton has been nothing short of spectacular since assuming the starter’s role. He has a .925 save percentage with the Flyers. Plus, there remains the possibility that Ray Emery can come back. Honestly, I cannot see the Flyers trading for a goalie, strage as that may seem.
3. bq. the possibility of one Ian Laperriere retiring and leaving the team with a 1.16 mil cap hit for nothing
Where did you get this information? I doubt he would have signed a three-year deal if he did not feel he could play for three years. I know you guys miss him and all, and I would too if I were you. He and Blair Betts – who, coincidentally, received a two-year extension so he’ll be here as long as Lappy – have provided tremendous spark on the 4th line with Dan Carcillo and have been terrific on the penalty kill.
4. bq. a crowded left wing
True, but the larger issue is that the Flyers are thin on the right side. As far as the players you mentioned, Hartnell and Gagne have NTCs in their contracts, and JVR is not going anywhere. We were involved in the talks for Kovalchuk and Atlanta insisted on JVR. The Flyers said “absolutely not.”
5. bq. Patrick Maroon
Not going anywhere.
6. bq. Brian Boucher
Maybe, depending on what Emery’s status is after the Olympics. If they have to shut him down for the rest of the year, they can take his salary off the Cap and go after a player like Colby Armstrong.
The Flyers are reportedly targeting scoring at the deadline, not defense or goaltending. I don’t know anything about Hensick but the Flyers are going to go after proven scorers, not prospects.
Not trying to troll or burst bubbles here; I’m just trying to help to put things in perspective. I would be extremely surprised if the Flyers made a deal like the one you suggested above.
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Ignore the “bq.” in my post. I wanted to put the numbers before the blockquotes but I failed.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Any talk about Lappy leaving you guys is Kool Aid drinking on our part. We fans (at least most of us) detest the Avs’ management’s decision to let him go and would think your management fools to do the same. Take our assertions that they are looking to do so as our hopeful delusions.
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by NurseBeachie on Feb 23, 2010 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
If the avs are going to trade for a back up goalie pick up biron or roloson and you’re not stuck with a huge cap hit. I actually like the thought of them getting something for Budaj—as well as letting boods get a chance to play and then trading for roloson, then you’re set at backup next year and his 2.5 cap number isn’t crippling.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 22, 2010 3:30 PM MST reply actions
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