Meet Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche (Forwards)
With the trade deadline looming, I thought it might be interesting to take a look at where the Avs are sitting contract-wise for next season. While the prevailing wisdom seems to be that the Avalanche won't be very active at the March 3rd trade deadline, Avalanche GM Greg Sherman has some interesting decisions ahead of him this summer, and those could have an impact next week. As always, I'm using cap numbers from both NHL Numbers and CapGeek.
Up front, the Avalanche have 9 players locked in for next season (I'm only including guys who've been on the roster this year). Although Ryan Stoa and Justin Mercier may very well be on next year's team, it's a little premature to count on them just yet. The other 7 forwards should all feature prominently in the team's plans for next season. The total cap hit for those 7 is $16,424,000. (CapGeek lists Duchene's cap hit as 3.2 million, NHL Numbers has him at 3.4 million. I went with the former).
| 26 | Stastny, Paul | C | 23 | 6.600 | |
| 9 | Duchene, Matt | C | 18 | 3.200 | |
| 23 | Hejduk, Milan | R | 33 | 3.000 | |
| 55 | McLeod, Cody | L | 25 | 1.000 | |
| 37 | O'Reilly, Ryan | C | 18 | 0.900 | |
| 39 | Galiardi, T.J. | L | 21 | 0.874 | |
| 54 | Jones, David | R | 24 | 0.850 | |
| 29 | Stoa, Ryan | C | 22 | 0.850 | |
| 43 | Mercier, Justin | C | 22 | 0.735 |
Probably the most interesting story in all of this is what happens with some key restricted free agents. With not-very-sincere apologies to T.J. Hensick, the Avalanche have 3 key RFAs this summer (cap number below is their required qualifying offer)
| 8 | Wolski, Wojtek | L | 23 | RFA | 3.100 |
| 7 | Hensick, T.J. | C | 23 | RFA | 0.893 |
| 42 | Stewart, Chris | R | 21 | RFA | 0.893 |
| 59 | Yip, Brandon | R | 24 | RFA | 0.633 |
When looking at what kind of a contract Wolski might demand, it's hard not to look at the deal Phil Kessel signed last summer with the Maple Leafs. The previous season, Kessel scored 36 goals and 60 points. Wolski is on pace to score 23 / 63. To that point in his career, Kessel had average .57 points per game. Wolski is currently at .64. Now, Kessel was younger than Wolski and had more career goals, so I don't expect the World of Wolski to quite match Kessel's 5-year, $5.4 million deal. But I can see an argument that he should be in the $4 - $4.5 million range.
Wolski is not on the open market yet, however. In order to retain his rights, the Avalanche need to tender Wolski a qualifying offer of at least $2.8 million per year by July 1st. Wolski does not have to sign this deal, and other teams are able to sign Wolski to an offer sheet. The Avalanche would be able to match this deal. If they don't, they would be get a boatload of draft picks in return. If Wolski gets between $3 and $4 million from another team, the Avalanche would get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick to give up his rights. If he end up in the $4 to $5 million range, it's 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd - similar to what Boston got for Kessel. Anything over $5 million, and the Avalanche could receive 4 1st round picks as compensation. Is there an NHL GM willing to give up 4 1st round picks to land Wolski? Doubtful. Might a team give up 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd to land him? That's starting to creep a little more into the realm of plausibility.
Wolski may also elect to go to arbitration if he is unhappy with the qualifying offer the Avalanche make to him. Last summer, Nikolai Zherdev, coming off a 58-point season with the Rangers, was awarded $3.9 million by an arbitrator (the Rangers subsequently walked away from the deal, making Zherdev an unrestricted free agent).
With all the variables, it's hard to predict exactly what will happen with Wolski's contract this summer, but don't be shocked if his cap number is at or above the $4 million range. I'm a fan of Double Dub, but I'm curious to see if the Avalanche are confident enough in Wolski to allocate that much cap room to him.
Chris Stewart? Wolski signed his $2.8 million deal in 2008, his first year of restricted free agency. At the time, Wolski had 42 career goals, had a career point per game rate of .64 and his best season was 50 points. Stewart currently has 30 goals, .55 PPG and is on pace to score 55+ points. He also would seem to be a prime poaching candidate - better than Wolski even - due to his combination of size, speed and skill. I'm sure Stewart isn't going anywhere, but the Avalanche will consider themselves lucky if they are paying Stewart anything less than $3 million next year.
Brandon Yip is tougher to gauge. He's had a great year, but it's only one year and not a full one at that. I'm not really sure what fair market value for Yip might be. Cody McLeod signed for a shade over $1 million after his 49-game debut season. For now, let's put Yip in the $1.2-$1.5 million range. That puts the estimated total salary for the three key RFAs at forward at $8,500,000 or so.
Finally, here's a list of the Avs' unrestricted free agents at forwards. Even if Darcy Tucker and Marek Svatos don't get moved at the deadline, their combined $4.4 million in cap space will certainly be off the books next year (essentially that money would go to the raises due to the 3 RFAs above). A couple of these guys - Durno and Hendricks, for example - could return next year, but no one on this list is going to signed for much more than the minimum.
| 16 | Tucker, Darcy | L | 34 | UFA |
| 40 | Svatos, Marek | R | 27 | UFA |
| 18 | Willsie, Brian | R | 31 | UFA |
| 28 | Koci, David | L | 28 | UFA |
| 12 | Haydar, Darren | R | 29 | UFA |
| 15 | Hendricks, Matt | C | 28 | UFA |
| 45 | Durno, Chris | L | 28 | UFA |
| 11 | Dupuis, Philippe | C | 24 | UFA VI |
So, combining the 7 from the first list and the 3 from the 2nd list and the Avalanche would project to have 10 players locked up next year for $24,924,000 - call it $25 million. That would be Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly up the middle, Wolski, Galiardi and McLeod on the left wing and Hejduk, Stewart, Jones and Yip on the right side - an excellent nucleus. Truthfully, the Avalanche may be heavy on the right side, but I can't really see the Avalanche moving any of those 4 right wingers. With that core group in place, it's hard to picture Svatos, Tucker or Hensick figuring into any of the Avs' future plans. All three players should be considered "in play" at the deadline.
Oh, and 9 of those 10 forwards are under 26 years old. The future is bright...as long as the salary cap doesn't derail the team before they become the next NHL dynasty.
(I'll look at the defense and goaltending a little later on)
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Duchene
Does he have bonuses that will kick in and affect next years cap? I’m a little unclear on how all that works for rookies and ELC’s.
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I’m also confused. I thought rookies were at around $900k max their first two seasons.
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They are at about $900K. The $3.2M/$3.4M is the total cap impact of the maximum bonuses + base available to a player under a rookie contract.
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Yeah, I just wondered what Duchene’s bonuses were, if he was going to meet them all this year, and if that would carry over to next year and possibly increase his cap hit. IIRC bonuses carry over.
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AvalancheDB.com has him at a 3.2mil cap hit = 900,000 + 2.3 mil in bonus. Not sure if that is what he is actually getting or just the potential, especially since they are showing it for this season and the next two as well.
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by Americanario on Feb 25, 2010 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
It is potential, upon further reading, and maybe my question should be, what impact will his play have on his cap hit? Does he count less against the cap if he does not make the full 3.2 or 3.4 (#’s vary) including bonuses? Do the avs get relief next year in that amount if he does not get paid the full potential amount? Or does he count 3.2/4 against no matter what?
And my other question, does anybody know what Duchene’s bonuses are? I don’t know if that info is made public. I assume some are obvious, games played, goals, assists, points, etc. What are some others?
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This makes it a little clearer
from NHLSCAP.com
When teams calculate how much room they have under the cap to add players, any potential bonuses that a player can earn must be included in the player’s cap count. For 2005-06 through 2007-08, teams could exceed the Upper Limit by up to 7.5% [the “Performance Bonus Cushion”] in order to pay such bonuses (for 2007-08, teams could effectively have an Upper Limit of $54,072,500) with the provision that any team doing this would have its Upper Limit reduced for the following season by the amount it exceeds the current year’s Upper Limit. If the bonus is not paid, no penalty is imposed. [As mentioned above, the Performance Bonus Cushion is not available in 2008-09.] As the season progresses, if a player becomes ineligible for a bonus it will come off the player’s cap count and that amount will become available to the team – but only for that season.
So I guess the answer to my first 4 questions is yes, but only a little, and only in the year he does not make the bonus. Still can’t find anything about waht the bonuses are.
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Damnit, apparently that overage rule is no longer in effect.
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the bonuses are not made public, that I’m aware of.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Nice work DDC!
Thanks for the insight.
Personally, I’d be in favor of tendering the Baron a qualifying offer of no more than $3.5M and letting the game come to us. I love the way the guy CAN play, its just that far too often, I hate the way the guy DOES play….
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Given we have 10 forwards on the roster for $25M, and the cap is between $50-55M, that leaves between $25 and $30M for everyone else. We need 3-4 more forwards to complete the roster, a total of 7 D-men, Anderson, and another goalie. I’ll wait for your next installment, but $30M for 12-13 more players, including a couple of rookie D-men, means we’ll have some serious cap space. Any chance we’ll run afoul of the salary floor? I see a UFA LW in our future (top-6) and maybe a big-shot from the point. The cap space almost demands it.
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Having that serious cap space will come in handy when it comes time to re-sign all the kiddies. And I am sure that good ole Stanley would love for his team to operate under cap for a couple of years.
What about re-signing Salei for that point shot, and waiting to see how our other D prospects shape up? Altho I suppose that discussion should wait until a Defensive installment of this series.
Thanks Joe...
Only one player is currently signed out to the time when the Avs will be re-signing the kiddies, and that’s Statsny. By the time Duchene gets his, SoS’s number will look pretty reasonable. Sherman is in really good position to manage his cap with the Young Guns. This summer will tell us whether we can expect long term success or mediocrity, and I’m betting on at least one big surprise. Someone we all expect to have around next year will be gone, replaced by someone no one thought about.
Of course, the CBA expires in Sept. 2011 and it’s hard to say what will replace it, so projecting past the end of next season is a bit silly. Oh well, I like silly.
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by Busted Twigg on Feb 25, 2010 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Does the idea of the CBA coming due scare anybody else? I’m assuming the NHL has learned its lesson, but considering both the NFL and NBA could have workstoppages in the near future, who knows anymore.
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both sides are reasonably happy with how things have worked out, i think. player salaries are higher than ever, but the owners still have their cost certainty. these negotiations are always contentious, but from what I’ve read, I don’t really expect anything like what the NBA and NFL are facing.
the biggest issue I’ve heard from both sides is the Olympic eligibility. if that’s the worst issue, things are in good shape!
Wolski
Might a team give up 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd to land him?
I’d take the draft picks. In a heartbeat.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
yeah, me too.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
so, I think, would Greg Sherman
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone would give up the picks… but I’d take them too.
GMs are very reluctant to actually sign RFAs of other teams.
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
slight tangent
just got an email that my shirt order has shipped. I ordered them last Thursday – so a week to make them and I should have them next week. really looking forward to seeing how they look in person
(this is not a sales call)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 3:25 PM MST reply actions
My wife’s Stastny USA sweater was shipped yesterday. I’m kind of excited for it
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
About time!
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 25, 2010 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
I wish they would get mine shipped. My account says:
“you can expect to receive your item(s) between 03/02/10 and 03/09/10.”
I ordered a jersey before the Olympics and am going to receive it after they are over.
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by Americanario on Feb 25, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
me too
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by NurseBeachie on Feb 25, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Mine said that too, and I just got the e-mail. I just gope it gets in before monday, March 1
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 26, 2010 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
Mine was too
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by NurseBeachie on Feb 25, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
Received my Team USA Stastny t-shirt in the mail today!!!
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by Angélique C. Murray on Feb 25, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
the post picture =
Kyle Wellwood is so fat…
he makes Wolly look like a tooth pick
by Ben from Portland on Feb 25, 2010 3:41 PM MST reply actions
and look at that stare. Is there a bag of cheetos on the ice?
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 25, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe he likes Wolski’s butt?
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by Americanario on Feb 25, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
He thinks the puck
Is a Fudge-o.
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Wellwood is so fat, he wishes that was a Subway sandwich in WW’s hands. You can almost see the droll as he contemplates the mythical 2 foot long.
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Nice post DD
I agree with your thoughts…except on WW.
Back when he was scoring on a 70-80 point pace, I saw the 4-5m cap hit talk. but now? I will be pissed if it’s over 3.5m. I don’t think Kessel is a fair comparison, because Kessel scored a ton of goals. Wolski does not, he gets a ton of secondary assists. Rene Bourque scores about the same amount of goals as Wolski, he just signed for 3.3m a year. And he was facing UFA, not RFA!
I’m not sure who a better comparable would be as a player heading into their last RFA contract (Frolov? Callahan? Cheechoo? Backes? all are signed to sub 3m cap hits with comparable numbers heading into their last signed contracts) but I would say it’s clear he’s not in the Loui Eriksson/Phil Kessel range of 4-5.5m.
If Wolski won’t budge on a number over 4m, trade his ass. I’d rather get a lesser return than screw our cap with that.
half and half on the secondary assists (15 / 15). Is that a ton? (I don’t know, I’m asking).
I don’t know that Bourque’s signing refutes anything. if Bourque < Wolski < Kessel then 3.3 < 4 < 5.4 doesn’t seem all that out of line.
Perhaps I’m on the high side. I personally think $3.5 seems about right. Just trying to slot him properly in the marketplace.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 5:15 PM MST up reply actions
I’d expect to see Wolski in the $3.5-4 million cap hit range next season.
by c0nquistad0rian on Feb 25, 2010 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
well, i dunno what a typical assist ratio is either (that would seem to be pretty average), it was supposed to be a snarky way of pointing out that Wolski doesn’t score many goals for a top line winger, especially compared to Kessel. :)
My point in throwing out the Bourque #, was that I was expecting Bourque to get equal to or more money than Wolski. He hasn’t put up as many assists as WW, but he works harder, scores similar amounts of goals, and most importantly had the threat/opportunity of UFA to leverage. I would have thought that added up to pretty similar leverage to Wolski’s.
But then, I also wouldn’t want to give Wolski that long a term right now. God only knows what would happen if he got comfortable and hustled less than he does now.
Really, it all boils down to the fact that I am not huge Wolski fan. I think Wolski is less valuable than his numbers dictate, actually. I think you could get similar numbers out of nearly any other 2nd line wing in the league if you put them with Stastny and *.RW, if not better.
I still liked the article and I’m excited for the others in the series. I’m really curious as to what you think the Quincey contract will come out as. I have zero feel for that situation — he’s clearly not playing as well as he did to start the year, but…
yeah, working on that now…and still not sure of Quincey’s number :)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 5:42 PM MST up reply actions
Certainly more than he is making now.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 25, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
I’ve decided on about $3 million. The arbitrator has spoken.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2010 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
I was going to say anywhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 and 3.75.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 25, 2010 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
I was going to say anywhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 and 3.75 plus a hot Canadian for mini golf between games and during the off season.
fixed.
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by NurseBeachie on Feb 25, 2010 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
If you add what we’re paying for Preissing and Quincey together, you get $3.3M ($2.75M + $0.55M), so essentially that’s what we’re paying for Quincy now. He’s just signing most of his check over to Preissing to play in the minors. I’m sure he won’t want to do that next year.
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by Busted Twigg on Feb 25, 2010 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
I was going to say
Somewhere a bit above what Pressing’s salary is. 2.75 – 3.
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While we’re looking ahead, what’s the over/under on how many games David Jones will miss due to injury next year?
by c0nquistad0rian on Feb 25, 2010 5:29 PM MST reply actions
You say that like he’s injury prone or something. He wasn’t responsible for somebody taking his legs out from under him and rolling his knee.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Nor was the shoulder his fault, but both happened. Often “injury prone” = “unlucky”.
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by Busted Twigg on Feb 25, 2010 9:50 PM MST up reply actions
So, one day Peter Forsberg was admiring his photo on the Sports Illustrated cover while driving on his way to the arena when a black cat crossed his path, forcing him to veer his car into Ted’s Mirror Emporium, where he broke 13 of them.
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Exactly
But you missed how after climbing out of the car, he stumbled under 2 ladders. Also that all this occurred on a Friday 13th.
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Please don’t forget to take into account that when he got to the rink he was also mugged by every criminal pre lockout d-man in sight, and that takes a toll.
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Forward Trade bait
I really only see Svatos and Tucker (If the other GM is stoned out of his mind) as being on the trading block.
Someone like Durno or Dupius may go in minor trades or apart of a package, but that’s stretching it.
I think Hensick will be given another shot, but he’s going to be on a very short leash.
The others either will stay here (Hendricks, Willsie), or have no value at all (Koci)
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I think Hensick will be given another shot, but he’s going to be on a very short leash.
I would hope so, since he’s already shown he’s a dog.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 26, 2010 9:26 AM MST up reply actions
I just don’t see where he fits in the grand scheme of things. and remember, the Avs have to pay him almost $1 million to qualify him. I don’t see it
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 26, 2010 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t see anyone paying him that much. He is what he is at this point. A career minor leaguer at best.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 26, 2010 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
they could let him reach UFA by not qualifying and sign him as a UFA. didn’t they do something similar with Weiman?
they could but I don’t think he has much interest in coming back. He’d probably go somewhere where he might have a chance to play
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