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NHL 'Justice'

So Alex Ovechkin just got hit with a two game suspension for this hit:

Alexander Ovechkin injures Brian Campbell (via NHLArchive)

Questionable and reckless, yes, but not an attempt to injure. Now take a look at this, also from yesterday:

Steve Downie's Cheap Shot On Sidney Crosby (3-14-2010) (via GhostWalker40)

That, to me, is a blatant attempt to injure and it happened well away from the play. So far I've heard nothing about whether Steve Downie is going to get suspended and Tampa Bay plays tomorrow. However, Sidney Crosby wasn't seriously injured on the play and we all know that the NHL tends to suspend based on injury. So what do you think? Should Ovie have been suspended? Should Downie be suspended? Which play is worse in your mind?

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To me the Crosby one looks accidental. They were both grabbing each other and calamity ensued.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 15, 2010 5:42 PM MDT reply actions  

No way was that accidental.

He Downie know exactly what he was doing.

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by Derek B on Mar 15, 2010 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is Crosby injured?

That looks exactly like how I broke my foot.

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by BraxtanFILM on Mar 15, 2010 5:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow. The lack of respect in the league is getting alarming. I don’t like Crosby, but that was painful to watch. And obviously the message is not getting through because its the same guys that keep pulling this crap. Someone needs to skate out there and club them like a baby seal, or the NHL needs to do something. NOW. FWIW, I think Ovie was reckless but didn’t mean to hurt the guy. I’ve seen that play many times before turn out harmless.

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by TheRed on Mar 15, 2010 5:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m alarmed at your lack of respect for baby seals. They are so cute.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 15, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should see his puppy mills.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 15, 2010 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think both warrant 2 game suspensions, injury to Crosby or not. That was clearly intentional IMO.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 15, 2010 6:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Bizarre

that the household name gets suspended and the guys notable only for being clown-shoe thugs (Cooke and Downie) don’t even get a slap on the wrist.

by Andrew_in_Seattle on Mar 15, 2010 6:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Except I wouldn’t say Maxim Lapierre is a household name and he was suspended four games for a hit that I think wasn’t as bad as Ovechkin’s…

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 15, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ovie can’t win ANOTHER MVP – especially Since Sid got the game winner in the Gold Medal game, so the campaign is on!

by Brett Shumway on Mar 16, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

The NHL needs to protect its players.

The Crosby hit deserves a suspension of 5-8 games at least. Clear cheap shots and attempts to injure deserve rapid and severe responses. Protect your players to protect the excitement and marketability of the game. People want to see star players, they don’t want to see 2nd/3rd liners playing because the league won’t take care of the superstars. Yes it would be a different philosophy than the Broad Street Bullies but if the NHL ever wants to be something more than the 4th or 5th sport they need to take steps.

The Ovechkin hit was an accident.

by gholland on Mar 15, 2010 6:47 PM MDT reply actions  

double standard

I disagree that there should be a different standard for hits on star players if that’s what you’re suggesting (it sounds like it to me).

I think both hits pretty plainly are not hockey plays. The Ovechkin one just looks like stupid frustration, and should certainly be punished. The Downie one, is harder to tell what the heck is happening, but it sure looks intentional to me.

by bushwah on Mar 15, 2010 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

There is no standard

And that’s the problem. There was no established rule for people to follow, so we are left to speculate whether this hit was legal and whether that hit had intend to injure. And why we have the wheel of punishment in Colin Campbell’s office.

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by Shoeshiner on Mar 15, 2010 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Uggh, watching that makes my knees hurt. Honestly, hockey goes so fast it’s easy to watch the a slow motion replay and say that was a 100% attempt to injure, but sitting in a neutral position (I neither like nor dislike either of those players) I have to wonder if it truly was malicious or if they just got tangled up. For obvious reasons, I hate thinking about players hurting their knees during tangles.

But man, if that was Dutchy, intentional or not I’d have to beat him down myself.

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 15, 2010 7:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Vampire v. Werewolf

Sid v. Ovi
Rock v. Paper v. Scissors

I really don’t care about any of them, but just watching the plays Ovechkin’s hit was unfortunate. How many times does a player get pushed at the end boards after flipping the puck away?

Downie, on the other hand had no reason to be in that position. That’s not how you fight for position. He should’ve been punished for that move.

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by chopchopchop on Mar 15, 2010 8:26 PM MDT reply actions  

never ceases to amuse me

“dammit pronger!”

/chuckles

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 15, 2010 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ovie No, Downie Yes

Welp, you asked. Ovie’s looked like a physical play that ended up badly, unfortunately. Downie looked like a guy dicking around to try to cause trouble.

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by moltobenny on Mar 15, 2010 8:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Downie looked like a guy dicking around to try to cause trouble.

Hehe

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 15, 2010 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I care because I 100% agree with you.

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by Derek B on Mar 15, 2010 11:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I called this one

I bet nobody really cares, but I have to pat myself on the back on the two gamer for Ovie. Thing is, the guy plays out of himself too much and needs to learn how to rein it in.

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by TCJohnnyHotPocket on Mar 15, 2010 9:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Ovechkin's iis worse, by far

Wonder if that fat fuck Boudreau’s re-evaluating his comments about Koci-Green? Probably not, but he’s got the most reckless player in the league on his team, and it’ll get Ovechkin hurt some day, I have no doubt about that.

by Dan Winkler on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Bordreau’s comments were… ummm… interesting and entertaining bullshit.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 15, 2010 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, they were fantastic. Poor Ovie is just too strong for his own good!

by Dustin Burfiend on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here’s a link

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 15, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with Dan, the fact that burger toting fat fuck boudreau is flapping his gums about this being like the Koci/Green hit just blows my mind. Him and Ted Leonosis need their damn heads examined for even trying to defend Ovi, who, as great as he is, is becomming a cheap prick, like the guy plays with an edge yes, but he’s putting other guys in danger. Plus do you REALLY want your captain flying around disregarding others safety? (Iggy is my perfect grit v. Skill captain FWIW) As for the crosby play, fuck downie, he’s lucky the C.C Wheel of Justice came up empty, or they were to busy dealing with ovie

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by horbayj on Mar 15, 2010 10:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Both are crap

You can see Ovi extend his arms in an attempt to push Campbell. He meant for Campbell to go flying. Injure? Doubt it, but he sure wanted Campbell to go far in that direction. If that had been Quincey with his collarbone and ribs broken, we would be evoking Steve Moore’s name and calling for this repeat-offending cheap-shot artist to miss the rest of the season. Downie? That play is just fucking retarded. I expect the goalies to get involved in the brawl that will happen when those two teams meet again, to be followed by the same thing when Pitt plays Boston again. Control of the game has been lost.

We were all wondering how the NHL could sabotage itself after such a great Olympics, and here it is. The media’s attention is on the stupid penalties and not on the game. Wonderful.

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by Dixomatic on Mar 15, 2010 10:21 PM MDT reply actions  

You’re right. Since the Olympics the two biggest stories have been the Cooke hit and Ovie getting himself thrown out of an NBC game. Awesome.

by Dustin Burfiend on Mar 15, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think the P.A should have a symposium, sit them all down and tell them, in big capital letters:

SMARTEN THE FUCK UP

have it in 60 different languages, i don’t care, but exactly what Red said, the whole ‘lack of respect’ in the league is down right shameful..

i’d rather have dutchy and radar shoot up a night club then watch milbury defend these fucks

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by horbayj on Mar 15, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh good. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one hanging my head listening to Milbury defend Ovi. Just when you think you can’t have any less respect for him and McGwire (sp? – ah, fuck it, you all know the douchebag I’m talking about).

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by Dixomatic on Mar 15, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think milbury must have a house in the D.C area, cause didn’t he rip on caps fans for something?? either way i have NO idea how someone can defend that. YES, ovie is a hell of a hockey player. BUT he also happens to be a dirty fucker.

lets take a list of..oh the top 5 to ever play the game
Gretzky
Lemieux
Orr
Howe
Roy (gotta include Roy here)

now out of those names, can you recall any of them getting THREE suspensions for dirty hits?? (Roy v. Osgood and Roy v. Vernon don’t count cause they were EPIC)

no, you don’t. The game has changed ladies and gents, gone are the ‘respect’ days..

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by horbayj on Mar 15, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

gone are the ‘respect’ days

because gone are the “you fuck with my teammate like that and I’m going to beat the living shit out of you” guys since the league wanted to make the game “more palatable” for the general public. yah, that’s worked out well.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ovie 2-4 games.

Downie 4-6 games.

Do we need any other evidence for the waiver of the instigator penalty? I’m not a fan of fighting or goonery generally, but I am continuously astounded at the NHL’s incapacity to protect its players, while I never saw a European game (lived there for 4 seasons) or situation in which the players weren’t taken care of in the absence of knuckledragging idiots who couldn’t skate.

Since Colin Campbell et al can’t pour piss out of a boot with directions written on the heel, let’s see if some of these douchecanoes would give second thought to punking a guy when they knew that the other sides’ good would be let off his leash to snuff out their bitchy little existences.

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by Hopfenkopf on Mar 15, 2010 11:31 PM MDT reply actions  

the other sides’ goodn would be let off his leash

Fixed

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by Hopfenkopf on Mar 15, 2010 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eh… I just don’t see Downies as intentional. It’s like when I wake up in the middle of the night and had obviously somehow smashed one of my testicles in my sleep. Shit just happens.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 15, 2010 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

does the look on your face when you realize what you did match that of crosby’s in the video?

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by horbayj on Mar 15, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 15, 2010 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why we’re discussing this. Bettman will make sure that Downie gets a ton of games for hurting his baby.

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 16, 2010 7:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Downie actually got no suspension.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 16, 2010 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Aaaaaaaaaaaand that’s what happens when I type before coffee.

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 16, 2010 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gulp it down, :)

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by Sandie Gauthier on Mar 16, 2010 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

My gods,

Couldn’t really see the Downie hit, till that last angle..fuck me, my leg hurt in sympathy…looks like Crosby’s thighbone wanted to bend in half. .

Didn’t Don Cherry call out Downie a while ago for being a twat?

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by Nemesis44UK on Mar 16, 2010 10:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Downie's Despicable move.

I’m kind of ambivalent about, Crosby. He’s like the Manning of hockey for me. They are both so cookie-cutter, poster boy perfect that I actually resent them. Perhaps if they weren’t so overexposed, it wouldn’t feel like being force fed a steady diet of wonderbread and I wouldn’t dislike them.

That said, I think the play by Downie is utterly despicable and ought to end his season. Why such an outlying opinion? It seems everybody only pays attention to the effect and the big, high speed hits make a lot of noise and cause a lot of injury and drama. But those plays happen at high speed with multiple bodies in motion.

If Ovechkin times his hit a half second later and comes in on the guy’s hip after he turns to skate behind the goal, it is a play we have yawned at hundreds of times. If these headshots get shoulder instead of chin it’s nothing. These are matters of inches in a situation where two highly skilled players are skating at full speed.

Downie’s is a slow, deliberate act of skating up behind Crosby, lifting his own leg to tuck his knee in behind Crosby and then twisting him down. While some seem to think its lack of high speed violence makes it NBD, I think it is precisely that that makes it reprehensible. It took him several seconds of deliberate, calculated work to try to take Crosby’s knee out. I think it is one of the sneakiest, dirtiest plays I have ever seen.

Even the Pronger stomp was better because that was just a temper tantrum by a giant toddler, this was nasty, nasty, nasty, and if he gets away with that, you have thrown opened the floodgates for marginal players to end the careers of great ones.

Forgive me Mr. Lobster, I just don’t see how anyone chooses such a slow train wreck, “accidentally.”

by Rapierwhitt on Mar 16, 2010 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Downie got a $1,000 fine. What a joke, considering there is likely damage that Crosby isn’t reporting. But it does give me a bad idea.

At the going rate the NHL has established, I figure it will take $3,000 to get past Vancouver (by taking out Lou and the Sedins); $3,000 for San Jose (Thornton, Heatley, Marleau); $3,000 for Chicago (Hossa, Toews and Kane) and $3,000 for Washington (Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom). So, for the measly price of $12,000, the Cup can belong to the Colorado Avalanche. Hell, we can even have a promotion to sponsor David Koci to be the guy who ends the seasons of the NHL’s star players. I can hear the P.A. announcer now, “Tonight’s hit man is sponsored by the Lakewood Kiwanis Club.”

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by Dixomatic on Mar 16, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like it!

When a player goes down with injury (say, Yeller for example this evening), we could call up Vinnie Giggles or Silent Sal Sanguini. Maybe while up with the big club, those guys could play “intramural” games with the likes of Tucker and Clark.
 
Everyone wins!

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by Hopfenkopf on Mar 16, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

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