Game 70 Recap: Flames finally find a way to survive the Avalanche, win 3-2
by Paul's Coffey on Mar 17, 2010 9:50 PM MDT
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The Avalanche's three game win streak came to a halt tonight when the Calgary Flames came into Denver and beat the Avalanche for the first time this season, by a final score of 3-2.
The loss leaves the Avalanche in 5th place in the West, 5 points behind 4th place Phoenix and home ice advantage in the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs, and just 1 point ahead of Los Angeles who holds two games in hand on Colorado. Calgary still sits out of the playoffs in 9th place behind Detroit.
This was a HUGE game for the Flames as they fight to stay alive in the heated Western Conference playoff race. It was also a huge game for the Avs, but what can you do? The two teams will face each other one more time this season.
In the first period, the Avs received an early power play and decided to make some awful decisions. First, the 1st PP unit skated off the ice as the puck went deep into the Avalanche zone. The Flames eagerly hopped on the lonely puck and threw it in front of the net, creating a strange bounce that Anderson had to pounce on. The 2nd PP unit faired even worse was even stupider, as Kyle Quincey failed to keep the puck in the zone and the Avs graciously coughed it up to Rene Bourque who flew down the ice and beat Anderson with a quick wrist shot, for his 4th shorthanded goal of the season, on a wide open breakaway.
After that the game opened up for a bit with Duchene weaving his way through everybody and creating some breathtaking chances, before Nystrom scored the Flames 2nd goal (on only their third shot) on the heels of some good hard work down low by the Flames -- where was the Avs coverage on that one??
With about 6 minutes left in the first period, Durno took another one of his dumb offensive zone penalties (good tough effort, but caveman dumb). The Avs responded with a decent, focused penalty kill. And Durno himself bounced back well, but we'll get to that later.
Ryan Wilson and Jamaal Mayers dropped the gloves for a good bout at the 3:23 mark (probably in retaliation to Wilson's BIG hit earlier in the period). Wilson landed some hard punches at the start of the fight, but then Mayers came back with a big bomb that ended the fun. Bad news for the Avs, Wilson did not return after that hard punch. Hopefully it was just a precautionary measure and not concussion related. The period ends 2-0 Flames.
To start the 2nd, the Avs continued to look like a team in the second game of back-to-backs as the Flames carried the play. Anderson was forced to make a good stop on Nystrom on a breakaway to keep it a 2 goal game. The Flames attempted a lot of long passes in this game, no doubt trying to take advantage of the Avs' fatigue. Stastny took a hooking penalty which resulted in the Flames breaking their 0-14 power play slump when Bourque buried a rebound at the side of the net for his second of the night (the eventual game winner) and a 3-0 lead. He was the best forward for either team in the game.
The Avs' third line of O'Reilly, Porter and Svatos threw down a fantastic shift started by Svatos (yes, him) hustling down the ice to negate an icing call. The Avs sustained pressure in the flames zone for a full minute-and-a-half and even got a full line change, but nothing on the score board.
Cumiskey had the best save of the game (to that point) at around the mid point when he got a stick on Bourque's shot from the slot on a vacated net, stopping the hat trick. Thanks RoadRunner. Calgary back up Vesa Toskala had the best save in the game on a Chris Durno breakaway, but Durno would not be denied and scored his 4th of the season on a scramble in front of the net shortly thereafter. The goal was reviewed for a long time, but it was clearly a good goal. Well done Caveman.
Galiardi got called for an "Alex Ovechkin" penalty a little later, but the Avs shut the Flames down on the ensuing power play. Second period ends 3-1 Calgary.
The Avs gave it all the had in the third but just couldn't beat Toskala....until, with Anderson on the bench, Hejduk scored his 20th of the season from right in front after an Avalanche timeout. With just under 30 seconds left, the Avs had a flurry in the Flames' zone, but just couldn't muster that last goal to tie it up, and so the game ends like all other games this season between the Avs and Flames, 3-2, but this time with the Flames coming out on top. Credit the Flames who came out hard in the first and took the play to the Avs who they knew might be a little fatigued from playing the night before and traveling.
The Avs' third line played very well tonight. Kyle (Kevin) Porter had a good game. He played with speed and appears to be gaining confidence with and without the puck. Svatos also played very well, took the puck strong to the net, and even threw in a nice solid hit for good measure. I dare say he was the Avs best forward of the game (I know I take my very life into mine own hands by uttering those words).
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I’m excited to see how you guys are going to trash us (Flames fans) tonight. You whine and complain that all we care about CORSI blah blah blah, but I would offer any of you to look at the actually conversations that go on at MaG and you will see what we are really talking about. Not that I am saying your season is a “fluke” or anything and pushing CHARACTER/SKILL/FINDING WAYS TO WIN aside, historically teams that get outshot and have bad “CORSI” ratings generally are not in the same position in the standings as Colorado is this year.
We trash you guys, and make fun of you, sometimes because the whining about some of the “luck” the Avs got in previous wins bordered on absurd. That’s not true, it didn’t border, it was over-the-top absurd. It was complete sour grapes (in the past, haven’t read a word of it tonight). It’s not so much the Corsi.
Also there was a bit of cognitive dissonance over there as well, trashing the Asv for being lucky because of their corsi early in the season while not acknowledging that the Flames early on were in the exact same boat.
It all came across as big time sour grapes, instead of thoughtful analysis.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 17, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude, you get slaughtered in virtually every game (shots, corsi, zone starts, scoring chances). And unfortunately, the Flames fell victim to the statistical outlier that is the 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche 4 times this season. You can call sour grapes all you want, but you don’t see us bitching the Canucks (the Flames biggest rival) or anyone else really for that matter.
Goddamnit. If I have to read the fucking word “corsi” here one more time… Is there some kind of stats magazine you can go whack off to?
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 17, 2010 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Tell that guy to stop feeding his dog too. It’s really fat.
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 18, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
bwahahahahaha. (I thought the same thing.)
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
OMG
great minds!
That’s the only thought I had during this whole thing I was willing to share without feeding the trolls.
Proud Soldier in the Burgandy Brigade.
"You mess with our Hejduk and the Spirit of Lappy is coming!"-Jibbles
I suspect all of the dog owners thought the same thing
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, actually I’ve been over to M&G a couple times for other games, and there was a tremendous amount of sour grapes about losing there too. It wasn’t limited to the Avs.
I understand the frustration of outplaying an opponent and losing, but here’s an example what I and others were making fun of:
In the previous encounter the avs beat the Flames 3-2, in a game where Anderson probably had one of the top-5 games of his career. He was outstanding. Similarly in the same game Jarome Iginla had one of the best games I had ever seen him play. He was a force to be reckoned with. Somehow Iginla’s great performance was completely attributed to skill, and yet Anderson’s was all a result of luck.
Either both players were lucky, or both were skilled. But attributing Anderson’s great game to luck and Iginla’s to skill is completely preposterous. You can use all the advanced metrics all you want in cases like that, but that dichotomy in logic is sour grapes.
Likewise, Iginla in this game had one of his worst performances I’ve ever seen. In that sense he, and Calgary, were unlucky tonight. Then again, Vesa Toskala had a performance that passes as an NHL goalie, so you could say that Calgary got lucky tonight too. I won’t say that, but if I was going to use the same logic that some over there have applied that would be my argument.
The point is that some of the folks at M&G have been much too quick to attribute all of the Avs success solely to luck. The Avs are at a 92 point pace since the 10-1-2 start, which no less a statistical authority of Behind the Net said is probably about where they should be given their Corsi, etc. The luckiest part of the Avs season is that they have been able to avoid a stretch of bad luck that would counter-weight that 10-1-2 start.
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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t feel like he was trolling.
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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I have no idea what goes on over at MaG and I hate your stupid dumbass team.
Happy St. Patrick’s Day!
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 17, 2010 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
I find it amusing that you were all doom and gloom over there before the game but now that you won, you’re over here being a troll. Thus, I laugh at your CORSI and fart in your general direction.
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 17, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
You really are ruining the fun, Mike. It’s just one troll. I think we can take him!
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Because you think Andy making good saves is luck and Kipper making good saves is skill. Same for the teams.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Mar 18, 2010 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm the biggest Chris Stewart fan on this board.
Why he playin’ like a poopie the last couple games? Just looks sloooow, his passes are going to the other team more often than our own… I dunno.
honestly?
he looks like he’s got the flu or something. and i’m not being sarcastic. he just doesn’t look well.
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 17, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
This was a crappy game to be at. The Avs looked awful, especially the first 30 min. Passes to nowhere.
Just a boring crappy game, that wasn’t exciting until the last few minutes. Even the 1st Avs goal, I don’t think anyone in the arena expected it to be a goal. We were all shocked when they said it was one.
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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 17, 2010 10:35 PM MDT reply actions
Agreed
Best seats I’ve ever had and it was a crappy game. For the longest time, I had no idea that pepsi ball was there on the bottom of the jumbo tron. Awful attendance too.
by MalachiConstant on Mar 18, 2010 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe the worst Avs game I've ever been to
Definitely the worst crowd. Although, if Stewart buries that chance with 10 seconds to go it would’ve instantly become an epic game. I still haven’t seen the replay and don’t know how Stewie couldn’t pull the trigger. For the split-second the puck was laying there in the slot I had no doubt the game was headed to OT (and I would’ve lost my mind with excitement).
Other thoughts: I know this has already been said, but Quincey was an absolute butcher last night. It was hands down the worst game I’ve seen him play. I know the PP has been talked about, but we were a freaking -1 on the PP! What the fuck!. We had some bad calls go against us last night, too, namely the Galliardi call, the awful goalie interference call, and also Porter got blatantly boarded after a whistle with no call. Something nobody has mentioned was Darcy Tucker making a great defensive play for the Flames when he cleared the zone with the puck in front of a side open net. I unleashed a loud slew of obscenities so bad that I felt the need to apologize to the people sitting around me after that play. Overall, I thought our game was just a little off last night. We weren’t as crisp as normal. Passes were a little off, guys were a half-step late reacting to plays in the zone, and there was a lot more puck mishandling than normal. I think the biggest positive was the play of the third line, and it was nice to see Durno scored (even though nobody in the building thought he did at the time).
I felt I also needed to say this about CORSI: It’s the stupidest fucking metric ever conceived and anyone who swears by it is a moron. Of the four major North American sports, hockey is by far the most dependent on qualitative observation for accurate evaluation. Screw any advanced metric or even shots and scoring chances. The only stat that matters is goals for and against. Past that you have to use your eyes and know what to watch, and often times those other stats will favor the better team, but a lot of the time they don’t. This is not baseball.
Wow. Sorry for such a long post.
I understand your frustration with a wonder metric like CORSI. It’s just another tool in the toolbox though. Even your preferred shots for and against show the Avs to be a .500 team since their hot start, so the conversation over at BTN is still valid.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Mike’s right. I did a fanshot entitled something about CORSI being God, facetiously of course. It’s pointed to another article at BTN and that one is a very accurate representation of the Avs in regards to their play when leading by one goal, even, and behind one goal. Sometimes the numbers do tell the true story. CORSI can’t account for all variable so sometimes – sometimes even a lot of the time – it’s way off, but there are configurations that do make sense.
And I cannot believe I just wrote that because last season and even earlier this season I thought it was a bunch of freaking hogwash.
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Svatos
He was SNIFFIN’, but couldn’t CAPITALIZE.
story of his season
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 17, 2010 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I was at the game
Every shift that the Avs looked like they would create something out of nothing…. it was Svatos. He was drooling for the puck. I was amazed. He looked possessed. Glad to see the coach reward the appetite with some PP time, but unfortunately no one else was able to help him out.
I think Porter is going to turn into another fantastic defensive forward a-la O’Reilly, but for the time being, he just doesn’t have the chops to be that noticeable. But between him and Mueller’s start, we got a bargain for Wolski.
They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.
by Guitarpick8120 on Mar 18, 2010 1:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I got a mega headache and missed the last two periods of the game but it sucks we lost. Sort of funny it was 2-3 though! Ah well, hopefully this energizes the guys for our next game.
Also, am I hallucinating or is a Flames fan trolling this thread? Wow fans of hockey teams bashing other teams? INCONCEIVABLE! Jeeze, it’s not like we wanted to “skull f***” anybody…
I do na think that word mean what you think it mean
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Well
I feel asleep during the game and when i woke up this morning I was hoping to see our boys pulled it out. Now all of TSN is saying we are pretenders and that the Nucks are the true leaders in the West man days after a loss suck!!!
I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL
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we haven’t looked all that contenderish lately.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 18, 2010 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions
But we haven’t looked 28th in the league lately (or any time during the season) so we really can’t be that bummed out.
by xskatebakerrx on Mar 18, 2010 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions
true
tho we haven’t been looking quite pretenderish tho either. bubblishistic maybe….
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
My notes on the game
Quincey had an absolutely awful turnover that could have easily turned into a goal, but thankfully didn’t.
Cumiskey kept getting pushed off the puck along the boards. Well more like easily shrugged off. He did have that one amazing clearance from the crease preventing a goal. Second time in recent games. Looked good otherwise.
TJ’s boarding call was absolutely BS.
Toskala was waaaaay out of the crease on that interference call.
by MalachiConstant on Mar 18, 2010 7:25 AM MDT reply actions
Quincey just mystifies me
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 18, 2010 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Tho the call was BS, Gali is taking A LOT of bad penalties lately. What is up with that?
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
A couple quick thoughts
Some of these are repetitive, but here’s what stuck out to me most last night:
1. Quincy. Wow. That was an absolutely AWFUL game by him tonight. Where’d the BMF of the first few months go, and can we have him back?
2. Svatos. By far the best game I’ve seen him play this year. What took him so long?
3. Silver lining. Yes, I hate the Flames, but if I had to choose between them missing the playoffs and the Wings missing the playoffs, I’d pick the Wings. This game made that just a tad more likely.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Flames dismantled by the Sharks. However, if Les Ailes gets the 8th seed I fear Thornton might not get to see a second rounds.
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, more points than the Flames and Wings. But hey, your Corsi number is better.
We looked tired
We can use this 4 day break to our advantage. Rookies have this problem as we know, so Sacco needs to kick them in the ass and he will.
I didn’t come on the here last night. I was annoyed that we played so badly at the start, but did we really have a troll preemptively bitch? Talk about the least courageous thing you can do. I am the first person to bitch about M+G, but come one. They finally win a game and come on here to watch us complain about them, where the first thing we usually do is rip our own team.
I went back and read game threads. We almost never call their wins luck. Usually, we don’t even talk about the fans until we read their blog.
the Flames fell victim to the statistical outlier that is the 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche 4 times this season. You can call sour grapes all you want, but you don’t see us bitching the Canucks (the Flames biggest rival) or anyone else really for that matter.
Really buddy? That’s because you cannot find a “statistical” excuse about why you lost. I have no doubt this “M F” kid is the one who never took responsibility for anything but blamed other people.
But who cares. We’re in good position to play in April. They’re in good position to golf.
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, more points than the Flames and Wings. But hey, your Corsi number is better.
He was hungry
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, more points than the Flames and Wings. But hey, your Corsi number is better.
by c6hor8 on Mar 18, 2010 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
...
I am disturbed now….
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
Not something I wanted to think about with the impending birth of Baby Canary on April 5th.
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by Americanario on Mar 18, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I am glad I can’t see that picture.
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Starting the game out with 2 goals on 3 shots certainly doesn’t set the tone of how a team wants to play. The Avs really looked like a team on the second night of back-to-back games, and the Flames did a very good job of putting pressure on the Avs. And Toskala played a great game – you have to give him credit.
What are the odds Quincey is going to be sitting in the press box next game? I also hope Wilson is okay and it was just precautionary measures to keep him out.
I agree with you Paul that that Cumiskey’s save was the biggest one of the night. Wide open net for Bourque to shoot on and Cumiskey totally robbed him. The third goal looked to me to be an unfortunate rebound into the slot right to Bourque; sucks when that happens.
Nowing this team, they will bounce back from this loss. They just looked sloppy and tired last night.
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We couldn’t manage a decent shot whenever we got the puck on our sticks. It just seemed to wobble off every time someone tried to shoot. We had two wide open net chances and couldn’t convert on either. Toskala was solid, but I think we could’ve had the game if we were able to make a good shot on the chances we had and/or just put the puck on net more. The PP was ridiculous yesterday. We just kept skating around.
by MalachiConstant on Mar 18, 2010 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions
the offense last night
looked eerily like the offense of last season, which explains why last season the Avs were dead last in goals for (6th in the league this year, btw). Soooo very, very, glad we as subjected to only a few games like this, and not an entire season.
Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for Magic #31 - 31 points in 28 games. 18 points in 14 games; 13 points to go!
We got lazy at Dallas and somehow it worked.
We got lazy at St. Louis and somehow it worked.
The team got lazy tonight against a better team than the Stars or Blues and it didn’t work. Young players have a tendency to not work as hard as they need to if they have won in the past.
Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, more points than the Flames and Wings. But hey, your Corsi number is better.
foreshadowing of what you are saying
was in the recap yesterday. I think it was Beachie who said that if the Avs played the way they were playing against a better team, they would get their butts whipped. I guess I am just glad they weren’t playing Vancouver last night.
Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for Magic #31 - 31 points in 28 games. 18 points in 14 games; 13 points to go!
I have psychic powers; did I forget to mention that?
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Is this the point where I point to “how we win matters” because we can slack off and pull it out against bad teams, but against good teams this crap won’t (and hasn’t) worked.
One problem this team has had all year has been sitting back with a lead. Well now they have a lead in the playoff race, and it feels like they are sitting back. It’s slightly infuriating.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions
looking at the schedule
9 of the next 12 games are against Western Conference teams who are already in a playoff position. The Avs do not have the luxury of sitting back on ANYTHING!
Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for Magic #31 - 31 points in 28 games. 18 points in 14 games; 13 points to go!
sorry
8 of the next 12 games, however, Calgary is one 1 point from being in a playoff position. Tough schedule. Maybe that will light a fire under the Avs.
Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for Magic #31 - 31 points in 28 games. 18 points in 14 games; 13 points to go!
I’ll be in a place where I’ll be completely unable to view 8-9 of the last 12 games. I’d be pretty apprehensive the entire time, if it wasn’t for the fact that I would be on a long overdue vacation.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Yay for Jibbles!
Have fun!
Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for Magic #31 - 31 points in 28 games. 18 points in 14 games; 13 points to go!
We very easily could’ve ended up with a win last night though. You have to get some good bounces in order to have “getting lazy” pay off. That being said, Galiardi and Duchene both had a great, high-paced game. Liles and Cumiskey stood out for me as well.
by MalachiConstant on Mar 18, 2010 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
God I hope so
Bubs and I will be at the game Sunday night. It will be sweeeeet to see a smack down. I just hope they don’t look this bad against the kings on the second night of another back to back. :/
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions
don't feed trolls
just wanted to be like Mike
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 18, 2010 8:50 AM MDT reply actions
Hmm
in that case you’ll need to post a lot less, but with a lot more rage.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s not rage, it’s overzealous irritation with a dash of malcontent.
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
I think they make a cream now for that….
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by Americanario on Mar 18, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Let me get this straight. Are we supposed to be feeding the trolls or not? What do they eat anyways? Boogers?
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 18, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Bad signs: Your bottom two lines are your best two lines. By a lot. Svatos is the guy putting out the most effort. By a lot. Your supposed shutdown D-men look lost …. I’m looking at you (especially) Kyle Quincey and to a lesser degree, Hannan. The only great scoring chance on your PP of the night is a breakaway by the other team.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
this game was lost
when Quincey fell over. The Avs were going to lose if they fell behind, because they didn’t have the legs to come back.
My god Quincey looked bad. Simply awful. That was like watching Ken Klee.
Yep, it wasn’t just the keystone cop act that led to Calgary’s first goal. He looked lost in his own zone and had a few other horrific turnovers as well. Wtf happened to the guy?
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 18, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Sandie???
Have you been keeping him up all night long or something? Take the swing down already, girl.
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
the other thing that has happened is that every team with a half-decent film dept. has realized the Avs really struggle with heavy forechecking. Sure, sometimes teams still get smoked like the Blues did when the Avs convert on the chances given, but trying to beat heavy pressure really isn’t the game the Avs want to play or that they’re good at.
Part of the problem is personnel — we really don’t have great outlet passers anywhere on the blueline with Quincey sucking — but our systems have proved pretty inflexible as well the last few weeks. The coaching staff has got to find adjustments to take some of the burden off the D, both in exiting the zone and in the current “run around the zone” defensive “scheme.”
We know that when the Avs manage to exit the zone with possession, they’re incredible. We know when they don’t, they give up leads, they can’t score, etc. The only real slump we had a (the 2 goal lead giving up debacle a few months ago) was due to this, and then we seemed to make some sort of adjustment and stopped giving up those leads.
It’s on the coaching staff to fix this. And this 4 day layoff is probably their only real chance to fix it this year.
And if I might make a suggestion to any coaches that happen to be reading this, I’m no hockey strategy guru, but you need to keep a forward lower in the defensive zone, in the middle to beat that heavy pressure with a simple quick pass. Heck, even a presence there might free up our usual clears/outlets. How many times are our defensemen stuck chipping up the boards to no one or passing to covered wingers on the boards after we gain possession in the defensive zone? We get the puck and every opposing player sprints for the boards. It’s pretty clear everyone knows we only want to outlet/clear up the boards, and I’m pretty sure the reading of that tendency is what opposing teams are keying on.
by thedoctor on Mar 18, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points. We are definitely puking against the hard forecheck. Seemed to me that earlier in the year some of the guys, such as Quincey, were handling it better. Hopefully the coaching staff will get things figured out. Also, for the future, some of those young studs coming up through the pipeline should help.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 18, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree whole heartedly.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Mar 18, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Did anyone else notice that our d-men were right on Toskala’s doorstep all night? I haven’t played on a real team for quite some time, but last time I checked, d-men are supposed to hang out closer to the blueline to like, you know, defend stuff.
meh
by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Mar 18, 2010 9:54 AM MDT reply actions
There was a lot of pinching going on. I kept finding myself hollering at my boyfriend to get back to the blue line cause he always used to get caught down there behind the net and get himself into trouble.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
New assignment for Xwoman
Photoshop some Flame fan bs with Cheech and Chong’s “The CORSIcan Brothers.” It will be especially fun to use if/when they miss the playoffs. Feed the trolls.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 18, 2010 10:13 AM MDT reply actions
Should you choose to accept it, of course. I’m not the boss of you.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 18, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
1989
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 18, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions
vs. 1996 and 2001, so there, I might add
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 18, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Before my afternoon class today, one of my classmates comes up to me and says: "The Avs suck"
Sure, but the Avalanche are in the playoffs. Oh, and they have beat you every other game this year. They were running on 5 D when they were already gassed.
Then he said the thing that made me realize how little he knew. He misses Phaneuf. PFFFT, what the fuck does he know?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
Perhaps this classmate was Phaneuf’s boyphriend?
by Paul's Coffey on Mar 18, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
More of just a casual hookup, but yes.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - On the upside, there's only 13 more (regular season) games of Darcy Tucker left!
Sloppy seconds?
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by Americanario on Mar 18, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
From a completely superficial standpoint
Since I’ve never seen the show or actually met Phaneuf but…
Phaneuf seems like he’d fit in on the cast of “Jersey Shore”
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Hahahahahaha....
Burn….
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
This is going to give me nightmares :(
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
This is fantastic, in a blood curdling sort of way.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope
…that for the good of all mankind, you continue to use your powers only for good, and not for evil.
as I don't have any clue about that show
This picture means nothing to me other than making them look like bigger idiots than they already are. Thus I think it’s pretty damn funny.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
This needs to appear in the preview post every time we play any team that has Phadouche on it. Granted that will be like once a season now that he’s a proud member of the Make-Me-Laughs, but still…
The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.
Not trolling just saying something.
I like the Avs as a team, great young group of players with some seasoned leadership sprinkled in there. You may not win the cup this year but down the road this team could have something brewing.
Go win the division and here’s to playing in the most heated and fun division in all of the NHL.
Good luck on your journey to hopefully getting more fans in the crowd.
GO FLAMES GO!!!
Why thank you!
Level headed criticism is always welcome, btw. You don’t even have to say complimentary things…especially if ya’ll go on a tear and kick the Wings out of the 8th spot. Just make sure you miss that one game!
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
well, granted that we continue to win games. see DDC below.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
What’s the magical number of points we need to make the playoffs now DDC?
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 18, 2010 11:52 AM MDT reply actions
still 17 (by the way, Mr McNab shared that very number during the game last night). That’s 17 points either made by the Avs or missed by the Flames to guarantee Calgary doesn’t pass us. I’m planning to do that for all the teams for a post tomorrow.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 18, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Any word on Wilson?
ESPN is reporting a head injury for Wilson from the fight last night.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.
so is Denver Post
they said no word yet on how serious
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
This is because he got his ass handed to him in that fight. He was going along just fine, actually winning then
BAM
He got popped.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup, he got clocked right at the end and went down quick.
by MalachiConstant on Mar 18, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Judos to Mayer
(I think he fought Mayer)
Once he realized how hard he clocked Wilson, he really let up.
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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 18, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we should buy him some tai chis at Starbucks.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
this seems to happen a lot
A guy is winning a fight, or
going along just fineand then sort of takes his foot off the gas as if to say, “all done”, and then the other guy gets in quality hits. Stewart does not do this by the way. He goes till the other guy falls. Tucker does it too, but its usually him that goes down….
by Paul's Coffey on Mar 18, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
the seats I was in last night (not my normal ones) were right by the fight, Mayers CONNECTED perfectly on his last punch and he went to his knees, I knew he was either a)concussioned b)broken jaw or c) concussioned with a broken jaw.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 18, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
he was even dazed a bit before that last nasty punch. there was another one that got him right in the head and it didn’t look good from there on.
honestly, Mayers went after Wilson and I’m not sure Mitch should have engaged.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 18, 2010 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Wilson was pissed and screaming at him the whole time, he wanted to be there, but should he have been there, that’s another story.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 18, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s a fucked up situation. You get pissed about something and it riles the other guy up. You don’t mean to start the fight but the guy’s ready to go cuz of whatever he has going on with him. You know you shouldn’t cuz of your health status but you can’t back down. WTF do you do? Pray you (1) win and/or (2) he doesn’t land one. Wilson lost out on both ends.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
This kind of crap makes this league really hard to fathom. Here we have the BoG and Competition Committee trying to take the intentional head-shots out of the game, but yet they practically sanction bare-knuckle fighting (a.k.a., intentional head shots). I watched the Deadmarsh video on NHL.com today, and his long descent from the league started with an out of nowhere punch from Jovanoski during a fight.
Do they want to protect players brains or not? There are no brain prothestetics and you can’t put one in a wheelchair. Brain damage is pretty much forever.
F**king stupid…
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.
by Busted Twigg on Mar 18, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Hockey fighting = WWF = boxing = UFC….that’s all about two people CHOOSING to get involved in a one-to-one battle. A cheap shot is not. That’s not even apples and oranges. That’s Oak Trees and Dolphins.
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 18, 2010 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
They need to have these ready on the bench to assure safeness.
And it looks there there is going to be a fight… Yes, they are headed to the bench to get their fighting gear…
Dying will suck because the Avs will still be playing hockey.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Mar 18, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I know you have the sarcasm turned to 11, but is this such a bad idea?
Wilson’s fight last night was pure emotion. He was really pissed. Going to the bench for the fight gear might provide a moment to decide that it isn’t the best thing for the team to go 1 on 1.
I know, it will (should) never happen, but Wilson should never have been in that fight in the first place. He put his career, and maybe his long-term quality of life, in serious jeopardy doing it. Also, having someone like Koci on the end of the bench in headgear and boxing gloves all game would be too much irony.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.
by Busted Twigg on Mar 18, 2010 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
So now we are going to have stunt double for hockey? No thank you.
Now there has been some talk about a two piece helmet, soft shell inside of a hard shell, in a fight the hard shell would come off while the soft shell would stay on.
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by Americanario on Mar 18, 2010 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought that “stunt double” was Koci’s job description.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.
by Busted Twigg on Mar 18, 2010 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
And I thought it was this:
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Mar 18, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
And you would be correct. The round underside might also account for his skating issues.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.
by Busted Twigg on Mar 18, 2010 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Wilson walked away from a fight a few games ago and Hendricks jumped in for him. I’m sure he got a lot of flack for not dropping the gloves from people who didn’t realize he just had a concussion- I’m sure he didn’t want to turn down another fight. That being said I wish he didn’t fight. I really don’t want him injured again, especially because his injuries seem to limit his hitting ability.
by xskatebakerrx on Mar 19, 2010 1:59 AM MDT up reply actions
especially because his injuries seem tolimit his hitting abilityincrease Clark’s playing time.
Fixed. (But what you said is important too.)
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Mar 19, 2010 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions
The thing that bothers me, though, is that Wilson’s hits, despite being HUGE, are always totally clean. Yet guys still want to square off with him for it. So what does he do if he doesn’t want to fight? Stop throwing the hits? That’s bullshit and totally sucks cuz it ruins his game and takes away from the team’s effectiveness and totally blows our entertainment!
The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.
by NurseBeachie on Mar 19, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Could we have fight coaches, too?
It would be like the trainer in the corner: “Ok kid, stay away from his left hook and punch in combinations. Stick and move kid. You got this chump!” I think it would only be slightly less ridiculous than what they do now.
by airforcefoo on Mar 18, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we need to enlist the help of the Derek and Aaron Boogaard Fighting Camp. It’s only for kids 12-18 years old but maybe they’ll make an exception for us.
by xskatebakerrx on Mar 19, 2010 2:01 AM MDT up reply actions
it's actually a good idea
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by NurseBeachie on Mar 19, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
This team is reminding me of the Oilers from 07 and 08. The defense simply cannot handle the puck properly. The D to D passes need to be faster and handled correctly by the player receiving the pass otherwise an opposing forechecker gets in on them and creates a turnover. When you’re facing a hard forecheck you skate your butt off to get to the puck first and either reverse it to the other defender quickly or put it off the boards quickly. You dont stop, dick around trying to control the puck then send a weak clearing attempt up the boards or a weak pass to your partner. All they are doing right now is giving the problems to someone else.
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