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Game 66 Recap: Canucks 6, Avalanche 4

Christ Almighty, I hate the Canucks. After the Raycroft shutout, the 8-2 thrashing and TWO goddamn 3rd period comebacks by Vancouver, it’s getting harder and harder to remember that lone win at the beginning of the season. The Canucks go up by four points and have probably secured a division win.

In the first, the Avs broke their trend and scored the first goal, in fact, they scored the first three. The first goal was the result of some excellent passing by the second line. Milan Hejduk got it up to Kyle Cumiskey who found Peter Mueller in front of the net. Muller could not get a shot away so he circled around the back of the net and found Matt Duchene standing strong in front of the net. Duchene put it top shelf for the first goal of the game. Seconds later, Chris Stewart went streaking up the right side, let a bad angle shot go and it squeaked by Roberto Luongo. Then there was a 'fight' between Rick Rypien and Chris Durno. They just kind of wrestled each other to the ice. Not sure about the timing of that one either, Durno. The Canucks looked like they were going to get back into the game but Craig Anderson made a crazy diving save to stop Mason Raymond. Paul Stastny got a breakaway the other way but was stopped by Luongo. The Avs scored the next goal on the power play. Matt Duchene stickhandled into the all four of the Canucks and sent a little saucer to Stastny who was alone in front of the net. It hit a Canuck skate, I think, and slid by both Stastny and Luongo and into the net. By the way, on that goal, Stastny got his 50th assist putting him sixth in the league. That waste of money.

And on to the second. Mikael Samuelsson opened the scoring, putting it into an practically empty net off a big rebound from a Daniel Sedin shot. Seconds later, Mueller was given a gift when Raymond put a pass right on to his stick and he scored an easy one to restore the 3 goal lead. The second line continued its great pressure but couldn't score. And then Samuelsson scored again, backhanding it over Anderson with Cumiskey failing to tie him up. He almost made up for it a short while later, cutting in front of Luongo but he couldn't elevate it and Luongo made his best save of the period. Durno took a stupid penalty but the Avs killed it off easily. And then with a two minutes left, the Avs gave it away in their zone and Samuelsson scored to complete the hat trick (by the way, Henrik Sedin had an assist on each goal) . This goal was a massive fail by our dear duo of Scott Hannan and Kyle Quincey. These guys were looking like a top two pair through the first half the season. Lately though, not so much. Anyway, the Canucks outshoot the Avs 16-9 and outscore them 3-1 in the period.

And to the third. Stastny had a glorious chance early with Luongo giving it away behind the net but the pass to him was kind of crappy and the Canucks' defensemen and Luongo were back in position by the time he got it away. Duchene and Mueller continued to play well and Mueller passed it to Adam Foote as he was alone in front of the net but Luongo made another great save. And then everything went to hell. T.J. Galiardi got called for a trip and the Av's best penalty killer got to watch as Alex Burrows was left alone in front of the net to tip it in for the tie. After that, in classic fashion, the Avs played on their heels. They got one more chance to score with Duchene and Mueller on a 2 on 1. Duchene made a perfect pass and Mueller was alone but Luongo made another fantastic stop (and he looked so iffy early!). Then the Avs started running around in their own zone and Jannik Hansen scored a weird goal where the puck got caught in his arm as he skated through the crease, it fell out and bounced of Anderson's back and into the net. The goal was reviewed but allowed to stand. The Avs pulled Andy but didn't get anything going and Daniel Sedin scored and empty netter. 

Anderson wasn't fantastic this game, but really, every goal can be traced to a defensive break down. None of the defense pairs were very good (Cumiskey and Foote were probably best) and the normally defensively responsible group of Stewart, Stastny and Galiardi simply could not contain the Sedin line. 

Dustin's Three Stars

Matt Duchene/Peter Mueller - best forwards by far for the Avs tonight.

Sedin Twins - combined for 6 points. I hate them. I hate them so much.

Mikael Samuelsson - 3 goals and a assist. Avs scored 3 in the first, Samuelsson scored 3 in the second.

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by Americanario on Mar 9, 2010 10:09 PM MST reply actions  

Ugh

I don’t want to think about hockey until Thursday.

by Trashboy on Mar 9, 2010 10:22 PM MST reply actions  

Well, that sucked. A lot. But we can’t let it depress us until our next win.

We aren’t the only team to have really embarrassing losses every once in awhile- and hell, at least we aren’t Oilers fans. (Or Devils fans when the Oils shut them out!)

Everybodyyyyy hurts, someeetimesssss!

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 9, 2010 10:32 PM MST reply actions  

NTM Detoilet lost tonight which is always the little fleck of silver on this terrible, dark cloud.

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 PM MST up reply actions  

and they got knocked out of 8th place.

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by jacksonc345 on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if it means Calgary is in the playoffs, it’s a minor victory.

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by Americanario on Mar 10, 2010 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

One of my favorite playoff moments ever. Thanks for putting that up. I laughed until i was hoarse after that one.

meh

by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Mar 11, 2010 6:46 AM MST up reply actions  

New rule:

Never do an MHH meetup ever again as they can only end in pain. Horrible pain.

It was nice seeing the annual Vancouver Gay Pride parade go through the Pepsi Center, I guess.

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by UZ on Mar 9, 2010 10:50 PM MST reply actions  

Question:

Why doesn’t anyone ever crush one of those goddamn Sedins?

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by BraxtanFILM on Mar 10, 2010 12:22 AM MST reply actions  

The worst part of going to this game was seeing two detroit fans in sweaters, cheering for vancouver. That REALLY pissed me off. I did make sure to ask them how THEIR game turned out tonight, but they didn’t answer, as they were too busy being douchebags.

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by TheRed on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 AM MST reply actions  

I always see a guy who goes to games decked out in Wild gear cheering not so much for the other team, but specifically against the Avs. I don’t know how people can enjoy making themselves look like douches but I suppose it’s an acquired taste.

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 1:19 AM MST up reply actions  

There's really nothing else to do in Minnesota but be a douche.

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by UZ on Mar 10, 2010 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I disagree with a few things about this recap, from the perspective of my barstool in Vancouver. First and foremost, I have no idea how a play stands up to review that sees the scorer in the crease, flipping the goalie 180 on the ice by running through his outstretched glove arm. Besides actually cross checking the goalie out of the way, it doesn’t get too much more obvious in the ‘physically preventing the goalie from making a save’ department.

I also couldn’t see how Duchene was responsible for hooking. His ‘victim’ stayed on his feet, kept skating foreward, and kept ahold of his stick. I really didn’t get the call after the replay. Damn lockout rules?

The Canucks really do live and die by the fortunes of Loooo… He looked like a pull candidate then some how kept it together. And though it was horrible to watch, a single period hat trick deserves kudos.

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by wflan on Mar 10, 2010 1:08 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

The only way I can see the call being upheld is that the puck maybe looked like it was already behind andy.

The call on Dutchie was weak. It could ahve been a call, but it was weak.

Had the avs gotten any shots on Luogo in the last 30 minutes of the game, I think we had a chance. he was not the reason we lost. The Avs going into a shell and not playing the same game all night was why they lost.

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by TheRed on Mar 10, 2010 1:15 AM MST up reply actions  

it wasn’t even a hook – the follow through of his pass went up to the guy’s waist and he grabbed on. not that that call is why we lost.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 5:29 AM MST up reply actions  

It definitely wasn't the reason we lost.

We played about as timid a game as you could possibly play once we got up 4-1 but that didn’t stop the officiating from being atrocious (on both sides, I thought).

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 10, 2010 5:46 AM MST up reply actions  

It should have been an interference call on that goal, but I don’t think they are reviewable. How bad would that suck as a ref (not that I have sympathy for them) to have to call in to Toronto to review a call you know you blew but won’t be able to reverse. I hope somebody on that phone called them out for being the assholes they are.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 7:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought that goal should have been allowed. He didn’t swat at it, it deflected into him and got caught in his arm, bounced off of anderson and then back off of him. He didn’t interfere with Andy.

It was an unlucky bounce. When you decide to quit playing because you have a 3-0 lead, those bounces happen.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

The way I saw it Andy had the initial save off his chest and it rolled up his arm into his glove. The puck was then hit out of his glove by a player running through the crease. I haven’t seen it since last night though.

I think they could’ve called interference on the play. But b/c they didn’t it was a good goal.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

No

The replay was pretty clear, Andy tried to deflect the initial save to the corner, and it hit the Canucks player in the hip and rolled into his armpit as he went towards the net. It dropped, hit Andy in the shoulder and went in the net.

Completely incidental.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

I still think that had he not been hit, he might have been able to catch/swat that puck out of the air. The Canuck player hitting his arm/glove he then had no chance.

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by Americanario on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I have a hard time calling interference when the puck was in contact with the Canuck player, and Andy is reaching for it (to essentially take the puck off the Canuck player).Of course the canuck players going to be in contact with him.. the puck is touching him.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Andy tried to deflect the initial save to the corner, and it hit the Canucks player in the hip and rolled into his armpit as he went towards the net. It dropped, hit Andy in the shoulder and went in the net.

If it hit Andy in the shoulder in any sort of controlled manner and then went into the net b/c Andy was obstructed that is still interference. If Andy had no control of the puck it’s a harder argument. But if Andy was the last guy to tough it and had a chance to make the save but couldn’t b/c of contact, that is still interference.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

My view is that it was not in any controlled manner. I am not sure he even really saw where it was until it hit him and bounced in.

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by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

The replay was pretty clear. (look at the second replay) The Canucks player was well outside the crease and the puck hit him and went into his armpit area. While the puck was still in contact with him (at which point he was skating into the crease) Andy reached out to catch it and the Canuck made incidental contact with Andy (because Andy initiated it by reaching for the puck, lets not forget). The puck fell from his armpit, hit Andy in the shoulder and went in the net.

It’s a good goal. Unlucky for the Avs, but good.

The Puck dropped from the Canucks players armpit and hit Andy in the shoulder and went into the net. (Meanwhile the very minimal contact from the Canuck and Andy had ceased). There’s no way that was goaltender interference.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Just watched the replay and still disagree. I wouldn’t say it’s clear cut interference, but it certainly could’ve been called.

Had the guy not made contact with Andy’s arm the puck would not have gone in the net. Andy’s shoulder was set in a direction that would’ve deflected the puck away from the net right before contact was made. The contact forced Andy’s shoulder around to such an angle that the puck was deflected towards the net.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Andy stuck his arm out. He initiated the contact, how could you possibly call the Canuck for interference?

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

B/c Andy was positioned completely in the crease and stuck his arm out in a motion to make the save. His arm was extended in front of the player before the contact was made. The player then entered the back of the crease behind Andy and made contact with his arm. I don’t see how Any initiated the contact. It’s his crease and he was in position first.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

because he’s in the crease and Andy is trying to make a save but can’t because the Canuck player is in the way??

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I have an entirely different interpretation. I think that’s minimal contact (that Hansen’s trying to avoid, and Andy’s reaching towards him), and that the puck getting caught up in his body was the big factor in Andy being unable to make the save. I mean it hit him in the shoulder

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

yes, but ANY contact is the crease that prevents the goalie from making a save is illegal, is it not?

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think the contact prevented him from making a save. I also think Andy initiated the contact, and I think it’s even questionable as to whether Andy’s in the crease (his arm clearly is, but the rest of him isn’t really. Does that count?)

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

i do think it prevented him from making the save. guess that’s our key difference. :)

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree. Andy’s arm is between the puck and the net until Hansen pushed Andy’s arm away.

One should always side with the Doctor anyhow. He always pulls through in the end.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

I really hate the stupid goal rules. you can hit it with a stick, as long as the stick isn’t over the crossbar. You can use your skate, as long as you don’t make a kicking motion (steering it in is totally fine). I’m not even sure about all the rules about it bouncing off other body parts. I’m not sure I even understand why all the restrictions are in place. it’s hard enough to score goals in the NHL – if you can somehow get the thing in without breaking other rules, it should be a goal no matter how you pulled it off

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I tend to agree but...

The stick/crossbar rule is just there to discourage sticks at face level right? Not sure why you can’t kick the puck in. Maybe they’re afraid of skate blades being kicked around?

I’d have to watch the replay again to see if this really applies to the goal from last night, but I do think it should be a no goal for interference when the goalie makes an initial save and the puck only goes in b/c an opposing player makes contact with the goalie in the crease (the goalie having saved it otherwise). To allow otherwise will encourage running in on the goal which isn’t all that fun, not to mention dangerous.

Another interesting scenario though: What if there was a soft easy shot made on Andy and the nuck just straight up tackled Andy in the crease before he could even touch the puck for the save? If Andy would’ve made the save but doesn’t b/c of contact from a nuck player, isn’t that interference? In yesterday’s case I think you can easily argue that Andy would’ve made the save if it weren’t for the nuck making contact in the crease.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I said it in the other thread, the reffing was terrible. The allowed goal was ridiculous, the guy Duchene “hooked” was holding his stick, I saw multiple other holds happen, one of their goals happened after the puck was able to stay in our zone after one of them cross checked us and of course no whistle, whichever Sedin pushed Galliardi over after they collided is a douchnozzle, and I could go on but I won’t.

We made some big mistakes and these mistakes prevented us from taking the bad calls and making the game go our way anyway. A one period hat trick is pretty incredible (there’s no argument that Sedin line is ridiculously talented) but if the refs had been calling a fair game it wouldn’t have happened. I’m not sure we could have won anyway since we decided to not play for the second and third periods, but this could have been far less ugly.

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 1:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I would like to propose a ban on any future MHH gatherings at the Pepsi Center. The last 2 have been abject failures, and since I can’t assign blame to players…it’s YOUR FAULT FOR GATHERING!!!

I’m kidding…kind of…

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by chiavsfan on Mar 10, 2010 4:55 AM MST reply actions  

Mike and I were at the first one, and if I recall it went well. So maybe it’s because the right people weren’t there. Stupid economy…

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 7:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the first one

Was an exception due to the Power of Sakic.

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 7:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Very true. Somebody should find out which games he has gone to this year and see if there is a correlation.

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

That or...

You need to get your butt down to Denver more frequently.

Sandie

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by sandiegee on Mar 10, 2010 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

UGHHHHH

I mean come on we had a killer instinct in the first period and then about 5 minutes into the second we sat back and then we sat back then we sat back then we lost!!! UGGHHHHHHHH

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 5:10 AM MST reply actions  

Can someone tell me

what the HELL was going on with Samuelsson (I think) and Foote late in the game in which half of Foote’s equipment came off and play was allowed to continue…?

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 10, 2010 5:45 AM MST reply actions  

Well

See Foote noticed that the refs were not going to call anything on guys running into Andy so he was taking it upon himself to police the matter. Then Samuelsson decided to hit Footer in the face with his stick with the ref standing right there and the ref basically said “hey this guy scored three goals I’m not going to call anything against him”

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 5:50 AM MST up reply actions  

From what I could gather

Foote’s helmet came off after Samuelson hit him in the head. Foote took exception.

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by sandiegee on Mar 10, 2010 5:50 AM MST up reply actions  

No, Foote’s helmet was already off when Samuelson hit him in the head. Unless the bastard did it twice because I clearly saw the douchebag smack Footer in the forehead with the blade of his stick right in front of the ref and get away with it. It was fucking ridiculous.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Whatever.....

Bad calls…. bad chances…. whatever

We weren’t good enough to win.

Good teams, who are going into the 2nd period leading 3-0, pretend that the game hasn’t started yet and kick butt.

But we should be used to the Avs shutting ’er down and not playing a full 60 minutes of hockey against good teams, no?

by Markopolo on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 AM MST reply actions  

Fair enough...

We were horrible in the last half of the game. Vancouver really stepped up their play and threw it into another gear. Looked like a playoff game from their end. Ours? Not so much. I’m not convinced we have that next gear yet. We have an incredible amount of young skill on our team, but if we can’t play with an additional edge in the playoffs then I’m afraid the post season is going to look a whole lot like this game for us. Vancouver beat us on the boards every time, beat us to every loose puck and often with one guy against two ended up with the puck.

Too soon for such a conclusion?

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Not too soon at all

Anyone who thinks that this team will make it past the first round (or will even make it to 7 games) is deluding themselves. They just don’t have the experience yet to find that place within themselves to make it happen. Last night’s game proved that.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

NHL on the Fly really called Andy out on his performance against the Canucks. They said he is 1-8-1 against them and that “the Avs need better goaltending.” I think Andy got a dose of the defensive play Budaj suffered behind all last year. I think Andy should thank his lucky stars that he was not the starting goaltender for the Avs last year, because that probably would have been a career buster for him. I also thought perhaps Andy borrowed Budaj’s flubber goalie pads, because there were 2 horrific rebounds that landed directly on the sticks of Canucks players.

I don’t blame Andy for the loss, but I do agree with the guys on NHL that he is going to have to play better. Like Beachie said in the thread, the team looks to him for grounding. As McNab and Haynes have pointed out numerous times this season, it is his calmness and stability that keeps the team centered. When he is off his game like he was last night, it affects the team’s performance. Whether it is right or fair that that rests on the shoulders of Andy is up for debate, but it is the dynamic of the team.

When you look at the Avs performance against playoff teams lately, they haven’t looked too spectacular. That does not bode well for what is going to happen during the playoffs. Like Mike said in the preview, the Avs have got to pull it together NOW. They need to play against these playoff teams as if it is the playoffs.

I know there were a lot of people who felt the Wolski/Mueller trade was a bust, but I think he is doing a great job and there seems to be a lot of chemistry on that line with Duchene and Hedjuk, as well as with Liles on the PP. I hope it continues.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 8:10 AM MST reply actions  

I agree, but with as many quality chances as the the nucks were getting I had a hard time blaming Andy. Stastny’s turnover for example. Andy made a great save, and then another, another, and still Vancouver had the puck.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Mueller has been solid so far, and with his play and the return of Hejduk, the Avalanche have two really strong lines. When Yip or Jones or both get healthy, we could be rolling 3 solid line for the first time since….Forsberg’s brief return???

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

As I said above, the Avs played defensively last night exactly the way they played last year: bad turnovers, bad coverage, inability to clear rebounds, inability to clear the puck out of the zone, repeated chances forcing the goalie to make 3-4 saves in a row while the defense is standing around. The consensus last year in response to this poor defensive play was that the Avs needed better goaltending – so I am simply using the exact same standard everyone else has in evaluating this game.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

What is this "last year" you speak of? I don't recall the Avs icing a team.

Last year was just… awful in so many ways. The goal tending was terrible quite often and the defense was always terrible. This year though, Andy has proven he can play stellar and our defense has been really solid for the most part. But yesterday Andy was mediocre. He’ll need to play better in the playoffs for sure, but I wouldn’t say he was bad in that game. Most of our skaters in the second half, maybe Matty and Mueller aside, were constantly two steps behind the Vancouver players in the neutral zone as well as in the offensive zone. I feel like we were still playing smarter than last year, it’s just we lost every battle.

To be clear though, I totally agree with you. Just venting.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

This is my issue with Andy's play

and why I put most of that loss on his shoulders:

He made stupid mistakes that caused the team to be out of position, trying to cover for him. Too often he was caught behind the net trying to play the puck and getting caught by aggressive ’Nuck forwards. This put the Avs D and centermen in a scramble, attempting to defend an open net. By the time Andy got back, he was then scrambling to get into position. That frenzy got everyone on edge, on their heels, all fracked up. This completely threw off all synergy the team had.

This shit happened repeatedly in the second period. It killed the confidence the team had built up during the first and by doing so it ruined that flow that makes them so deadly. You could see it in the way they’d try to interrupt passes. In the first, they’d get their stick out, tip a pass and gobble it up on their blade just enough to give an outlet pass to a teammate going up the wing. In the second, they’d get their stick out, tip a pass and not have any idea where the puck went, then watch as the ’Nucks gobbled it up and do a give and go into the defensive zone, setting up a PP like cycle, causing the Avs to scramble again to defend it.

Andy’s almost arrogant-like actions in handling the puck, particularly behind the net, had A LOT to do with how that game turned out. Should the team have been able to deal with it and bail Andy out for once? Fuck yeah. But that’s where their inexperience comes in. Hannan should have done more to settle Quincey down. He didn’t. Foote did his best with RR. Clearly Duke did well with Dutchy and Mueller. SoS needs to find a way to be that guy for the top line. Yeller tried and seemed to have some moments. But this team has too many inexperienced guys who don’t know how to overcome the panic when their rock and backbone starts fucking up. They’ve all said they know they can take chances because Andy’s there to bail them out if they make a mistake. What do they do when they know he’s not? They panic. And he wasn’t there to bail them out because of CHOICES he made, not just because he had a bad night.

That’s why I blame him.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I think this game showed me something…the Nucks are a much more mature and refined team. The Avs are still young and haven’t “been there” yet. I know it’s not an end all, be all excuse…and the game was horrid no doubt…but again, from the doldrums to competing in just one year is GREAT. They pull this crap next year, I’m gonna be a tad bit more angry.

The Avs still have that lack of “killer instinct” to me. Most of them have never been through anything as intense as an NHL playoff race, let alone NHL playoff games. The Canucks, for the most part, have been there, and know what “level” they need to be at.

If the Avs make the playoffs this year, even if they go out in the 1st round, I think that “taste” of the playoffs will teach these guys more than an Adam Foote or a Milan Hejduk telling them what they need to do.

Just my take…

(Hey that Mueller fella ain’t half bad!)

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by chiavsfan on Mar 10, 2010 8:33 AM MST reply actions  

Concur

I don’t think the team is capable of stepping up their play to another level for the playoffs yet.

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

The Young Guns are now to be known as The Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time Players

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

If the Avs make the playoffs this year, even if they go out in the 1st round, I think that "taste" of the playoffs will teach these guys more than an Adam Foote or a Milan Hejduk telling them what they need to do.

Absolutely agree. Learning by experience is they way most people learn. Since they are not cup contenders yet, my hope is they at least make the playoffs and get a chance to feel what it is like to play in such an intense environment.

Who knows, maybe having the claw their way into the playoffs will be the best thing for this team. They seem to need that to force that “killer instinct” that doesn’t quite come naturally to them right now.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I concur

I mean look what it did to the Penguins one season swept in the first round, next season lost to the Dead Wings in the Stanley Cup Finals, next Season won it all….

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree also… There would be a lot more character-building involved with that scenario, than one where we win the cup because of the total breakdown of our opponents. With a group of kids like this, I may as well be Calvin’s Dad… its all about building character.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Need facts and figures

What is an unassailable lead? I would love someone with brains to tell me how many times have the Avs given up 2 and 3 goal leads in the season (and lost), as well as being down 2 or 3 goals (and won).

Apart from freak occurrences, if you are 3 goals ahead, you really shouldn’t lose. I think our young guns need some seasoning and a little baking in the pressure cooker that is the playoffs.

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by Nemesis44UK on Mar 10, 2010 8:49 AM MST reply actions  

even more, when you are 3-goals ahead, your fans shouldn’t feel like a loss is inevitable

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I hate that feeling

That perfectly describes the nervousness that came with watching every game last year

by MalachiConstant on Mar 10, 2010 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

were we ever up 3 goals last year?

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by Nemesis44UK on Mar 10, 2010 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

did we ever score 3 goals last year?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

hahaha! So true.

I need to know where I can find out how many goals the Avs had scored this time last year so I can compre it to home many they have scored thus far this year. I would have to believe it is more.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Correct.

141 to this point last year. 196 this year.

by HugoAgogo on Mar 10, 2010 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

to look at it another way, we’ve scored 191 goals so far this year. we scored 190 all of last year.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Now see, that makes me feel better!

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I covered this earlier in the year…
After 50-odd games – we lose 2-goal leads 8 times, but still have a 4-4 record in these games. The only 3-goal lead we lost in this span, if I recall, was against Ottawa (but we still won).

by HugoAgogo on Mar 10, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

even more, when you are 3-goals ahead, your fans shouldn’t feel like a loss is inevitable

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It's hard to be a saint in this city

by Nemesis44UK on Mar 10, 2010 9:01 AM MST reply actions  

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

nice

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

jibble

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

aha,

I see what you did there….:)

I’ve been thinking for a nickname for Mueller. How about Fruit Corner?

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by Nemesis44UK on Mar 10, 2010 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

This should be

the last crappy effort we see from the Avs. It’s too late in the season and the standings are too close for efforts like this. I’m not saying the Avs wont lose another game, but it should definitely not be in this fashion.

by Avalanche318 on Mar 10, 2010 9:02 AM MST reply actions  

Choke job. The only thing I can take solice in is that calgary had a bigger one earlier this year. It will be interesting to see if this game teaches them anything, how many leads has this team blown this year? At some point they’ll have to learn, or Sacco will be coaching elsewhere.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 9:10 AM MST reply actions  

or Sacco will be coaching elsewhere.

Are you inferring that he will be fired by the management if he can’t get the kids to learn to keep leads? While I am not saying that WON’T happen, I don’t think it will anytime soon. With all of our kids, I expect him to comfortably finish out his three year contract, and see how things go at the end of it. The maturation of 19, 20, and 21 year olds over three years is critical, and I expect that our kiddies will be very very different by the time his contract comes up. Cutting it short before then would be really disruptive to that process, and with Sacco’s track record of helping mold and sculpt young talent, I can’t see Lacroix, Biller, or Sherm pulling the rug out from under him just like that.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

On firing

If this kind of choke jobs continue late into next year, i can see the reasoning.

Otherwise, no. They are freaking kids. Two of them can’t legally drink, and you expect them to be perfect when leading every night?

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if it happens a year from now, I don’t think they will let Sacco go before his contract is up. I mean, the guy isn’t Granato, for gods sake. The only reason that I think they would do that is not because of the losses/blown leads, but if they think that Sacco is somehow inhibiting their maturation… that he is an actual obstacle… they might let him go. If that happens, shit, I will be the first man up in arms demanding his resignation. But I just don’t think that will happen with his track record thus far.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I know

Just saying if there’s evidence that the team is getting anywhere even as short a timeframe as a year from now, there is a pretty good reason.

Not that I want to see it happen.

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Look at the coaching turnover rate in the league. Will this team burn through 4 coaches in 2 years but a new coach every other year wouldn’t be a surprise, especially if there are expectations next year (I don’t know why I said if, this team will be expected to make the playoffs next year and every year for at least the next 4-6 years).

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Biggest game of the year

And under 13K at the Can last night? I’m speechless. And disgusted. I know Kroenke isn’t marketing the team, but you’d think a few more hockey fans would have caught on by now? Wow. Boy does this team and franchise ever need a nice little playoff run right now. Hopefully they can get over what happened last night and make it happen. I still love this team.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 9:30 AM MST reply actions  

I get the feeling that most real Avs fans are broke like me. I couldn’t go to a game for 10$ right now.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn’t go because we were playing the Canucks and I knew we’d blow it. I’ve seen way too many blown games this year (five, including Anaheim, Washington, both NY Islanders and Rangers, etc.)

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh sure, don't warn US

I call it... The Avaslug!
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by UZ on Mar 11, 2010 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

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Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 9:32 AM MST reply actions  

As much as it pains me to say it, I think we’re looking at an 8-seed and first round sweep.

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 AM MST reply actions  

I disagree. Sure, this was the most disappointing loss of the season. And things haven’t been great over the last several games. But I still think this team will bounce back and compete, just like they have all season. It will be interesting to see what tweaks Sacco makes to wake them up a little bit. I’d sit Quincey again in favor of Clark. And give Andy a rest on Thursday. I’d also think about splitting up Stastny’s line, just to provide more depth. Did anyone see anything at all out of the 3rd and 4th lines last night?

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I noticed Hendricks a lot out there for those lines.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Mar 10, 2010 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, you’re right. He had some energy. But overall, those bottom two lines got worked as much as our first line did. The only good forward line last night was Duchene’s. And Stats was horrible.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed. I am usually one of the Stats defenders, not haters, but last night was a crapfest, through and through.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

The Durno-Yelle_Svatos line had a really low profile, and played about 7 minutes of the game. I saw them all hustling, but once the Canucks started scoring on us, I guess Sacco felt like we had to rotate our scoring lines back in, instead of running a more shutdown line.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I disagree with you disagreeing with me. Momentum is needed to do anything as the post-season is approaching. The Avs don’t have any. Plus, the goalie has been ridden into the ground and the young guys aren’t responding as much as they had earlier in the year. Colorado need a cushion to maintain a hold on a mid-level playoff spot. They didn’t get it before the break and they sure as hell aren’t going to get it in the last 16 games.

I will say that having three ‘new’ guys in the lineup last night probably didn’t help. Cumiskey, Svatos, and Durno watched the St. Louis game and other than Cumiskey replacing Salei, why were the others back out there?

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

But you’re a Negative Nancy about everything. Remember what you were saying in August? We should really just be thrilled to even be talking about the playoffs. I think give the young ‘uns a chance and see how they do. I think Sacco will be able to light a fire under them for a little while longer, and I really agree with what Beachie, hockeymom, and Sandie are saying above. They’ll come back hungry for more next year.

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

How about a nice bag skate…or 5

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by chiavsfan on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

hee hee

Negative Nancy…the Mrs is calling you out Mikey. Bitch slapped! LOVE IT!

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

No pain, no gain.

In all honesty, I think that would still be great. We are still carrying a lot of dead weight this year, and I think most of us would have been happy with 75 points on the year back in September. Now look at us, sad cause we might get swept in the first round… OF THE PLAYOFFS!

Its been said over and over, but go look at the Pens when they lost to the Sens in 07. Think about it.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Mar 10, 2010 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, the D just isn’t good enough. everything else is there, but our D blows ass.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

“Dead Weight”

Think about the kind of D-men we could ice with the money we are paying our corps.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Mar 10, 2010 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Hannan and the young guys can stay, everyone else should go. I’ve flip-flopped on Foote for the 500th time and now want his ass gone. Slow useless piece of shit, he sucked.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I wonder why Quincey has regressed so badly? At the start of the year, he was one of our top 2 D men, easily. Now? He often looks like our worst.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

he’ll sit for clark against florida, i promise you that

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

on the plus side, he’ll have a hard time cracking 3m per on his next contract.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t know – Wilson looked like he was trying for a healthy scratch as well. I too am vexed by Quincey. It’s like he dropped off a cliff or something.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

I too am vexed by Quincey. It’s like he dropped off a cliff or something.

I don’t want to be THAT guy or anything but…I seem to recall saying something about this once or twice before a while ago…

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

If people play his game- grinding it out in the corners he’s fine, but any sort of speed and he’s cooked.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Don’t beat around the bush, tell us what you really think!

Couldn’t disagree more though….just sayin :)

Although Footer is slower than he used to be, his desire and ferocity remain undiminished.

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by Nemesis44UK on Mar 10, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

As long as Foote is paired with Cumiskey, I am very willing to keep him in the lineup. They compliment each other so well that I dont see either as a liability. And we don’t have a Dman thats as nasty as Foote can be, and we need that… Either someone needs to steup up and be ‘that guy’, or we need to acquire one.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Every part of me wants to see Foote back in the unipron next year

But I just don’t see it happening, I’m convinced he’s retiring.

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he sees himself slowing in a quickening game. Same as Tucker. There is only so much that you can ignore.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Except on that goal last night where they both watched Samuelsson take two strides and bury it behind Andy. I could do without that complimentary play.

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Undeniable

But I wouldn’t exactly call Foote-RR a top pairing… unless something really bad happened I wouldn’t want to see them out against the Sedins and Samuelsson. I guess my only point is that I still think the guy can play in todays game, but we all know that hes almost at the end of the road. And for what he offers, I like the idea of having him back, if only because I am not sure what better options are out there.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Another person who wants Foote gone? We must hide else we shall be burned!

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

no no, there’s more than you’d think out there. it’s his speed and complete lack thereof that kill me. but i’m also not able to point out any specific instances of him completely missing his position and costing us a game at the same time either.
I’d like to see him retire and us bring in someone to fill his role

maybe an internet pipe froze and burst

by Uziel on Mar 10, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

i won tickets to the game

front row club level. it was awesome. (thanks scotty!) the game was thrilling, and the first 30 min the Avs played their very best game.

We lost because we have little ability to match up to teams with big top lines. We do well against balanced teams, but these front loaders, we just don’t have the D personnel to match up to them. Everyone on the ice against the Sedins looked awful.

I also thought the Canucks got away with tons of interference in the offensive zone. Not just the goaltender interference on Andy, but also the cross check before the puck got there on Galiaridi leading to the first goal, and then the 2 blatent creens on subsequent goals. The refs really blew ass. Felt like the fix was in at some level. Still we didn’t deserve to win with that 30 min effort.

Duchene. omg. best player on the ice, seriously.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 9:49 AM MST reply actions  

The sedins are in their prime, give the boys a couple of years to cut their teeth and it won’t be so bad. This team now reminds me of the 1994-95 Nordiques (I was watching then too), They were good, but inexperienced and got bounced in the first round, all I really remmeber is that someone on the rangers had a horrible dive in the offensive zone that canceled out a nordique goal at the other end.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmmmm, I can’t really remember what happened after that year. Will someone help me out here….’95-96….???

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Crosby refuses to go on Letterman!!

What a punk

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 10:01 AM MST reply actions  

Hate.
Pain.
Hate.

Not sure which one is worse, this loss or vs phoenix.

Does anyone else ever yell “wake up” while watching the game on TV?

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by slapshotr2007 on Mar 10, 2010 10:03 AM MST reply actions  

Not wake up but things like come on Boys, You have to be kidding me, clear the freaking zone and GOALLLLLLLL!!!

And yes i do have to curb my language because i have a 4 yr old who i let stay up and watch the games as long as he is good that day the funny thing is he yells the same things i do and then always wants a high five when the AVs score!!!

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Last night's was much worse than Phoenix

The Avs didn’t puke away a 3 goal lead against Phoenix, and actually played a pretty solid road game. Losing it in the last minute stung like hell, sure, but last night’s collapse was the worst of the season. In such a huge game. At home.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

It's one loss

God last night sucked, but the doom and gloom is a bit overstated. The Canucks are a really good team, (and probably a cup contender).

The Avs were playing great and got a little happy with themselves with a 3-0 lead. The only time they have had a lead like that (that early) this season was against the likes of Columbus and Edmonton. It looked like the Avs thought Vancouver was going to roll over, and they sat back. Hopefully they learn a lot from this.

But lets not predict that first round sweep yet.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 10:09 AM MST reply actions  

Agree

And we’re older men, so trust what we say.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m 37 and I say the sky is falling!!!!

j/k, the 96’ team traded for Lemieux, Roy, Ozo and Keane, this team has no Keane/Lemieux to get rough yet not lose control (well at least until game 7 of the conference final, thanks claude) for the top 6 and bottom 6 respectfully. That is something the avs should think about getting over the offseason. To sum up: 96’ Keane > 10’ Tucker. and there is no one to compare to Lemieux on this years team.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm older than you, Chicken Little...

and I agree with what you say. This is a young team. This is an inexperienced team. This is a soft team on defense, and one prone to panic under consistent pressure in their own zone. Neither of the top two forward lines was effective against the Sedin line once they got rolling, and none of the D-men could handle the space in front of the net.

Several people have said that we need a talented and responsible defensive defenseman. I agree, and I’m not sure I see that coming from Junior/AHL/NCAA prospects. Lots of puck movers. Puck movers are in demand, and I can see a trade coming this summer.

’96 Lemieux = ’10 Avery or Ott — Talented pests who seldom stand up for their actions. Avery seems to have control issues, and pisses off his teammates. Think Dallas would part with Ott?

We have a very young and talented core. This offseason should be spent acquiring some veteran, but not old, role players. Durno may be cute, ladies, but he’s not long term NHL material. Same with Hendricks. Gali is playing well on the first line, but he’s not a first line player (yet). We need a strong finisher to go with our puck distributor (SoS) and our power forward (Stewie).

Oh, and as far as the playoffs go, we’re already playing with “house money”. This season is already a success.

It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit.

by Busted Twigg on Mar 10, 2010 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and as far as the playoffs go, we’re already playing with "house money". This season is already a success.

yes no one believed they would be where they are at now. The playoffs and a stretch drive are gravy right now, I’ll admit I thought this season (when it started) was all about getting the young guys playing time and getting one more good draft pick.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

During the off-season

I was planning on not watching the Avs Half-assing it for Hall

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

See that’s my problem: if they were gonna suck all season due to the youth, then at least you had a draft pick to look forward to.
Since they started looking like a legit playoff team, you gotta get some bang for your buck because you’ve pissed away the high draft pick. Now, with lackluster play since the new year, they’re in danger of juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust missing the playoffs. I don’t wanna become a fan of Maple Leafs West.

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

You mean you don’t have a tucker jersey?

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

You’re on notice.

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

So that’s a no. Rycroft?

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a Domi, a McCabe, and 2 Sundins, but I never EVER liked Tucker.
At least he’s not taking a ton of penalties that are costing the Avs game after game like he did in TO. Not that his piss-poor play hasn’t contributed in some CO losses.

meh

by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Mar 11, 2010 1:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Domi was so freaking shy. Not at all what I expected from that man.

Sandie

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by sandiegee on Mar 11, 2010 7:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Really? I can see it. He reminded me a lot of myself.

meh

by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Mar 11, 2010 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep…

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by sandiegee on Mar 11, 2010 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

and Hendricks can become the next Lappy or the next Guite (-the sweet stach’) depending on how hard he works in the off season.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Durno may be cute, ladies, but he’s not long term NHL material.

There are guys you want to take home to your folks and there are guys you just want to take home. Durno falls into the latter category.

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by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Avery, Ott? No, please please please no!

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 4:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, pretty much anybody but them. What will it take to get Lappy back? I miss that man so much.

meh

by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Mar 11, 2010 2:10 AM MST up reply actions  

What will it take to get Lappy back?

Probably Lacroix down on his hands and knees begging and tell Lappy what an idiot the management was for low balling him in negotiations. Which mean it will never happen because the Organization doesn’t make mistakes.

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by Americanario on Mar 11, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I also think they were a little high from the stomping of the Blues, without thinking about the fact that the Blues aren’t a playoff team.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I can see that, they trounced StL and got out to a 3-0 lead against the better canucks and thought to themselves, “Maybe we are as good as everyone thinks we are and we can just show up and win.”

Don’t get me wrong, they still choked last night and it was awful, hopefully there was a lesson learned.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point, it certainly could have contributed to it. Young team starts to get too full of itself, thinks another easy stomping is in the works …. uh oh. The Canucks are much better than the Blues.

Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.

by Bob in Boulder on Mar 10, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Certainly

Last night was frustrating because the avs went up 3-0 and thought their shit didn’t stink. THAT pissed me off more than anything.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

well, better for them to learn now than later. and the silver lining is that it’s very, very clear this team is already as good as any team in the league offensively.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

when they try

maybe an internet pipe froze and burst

by Uziel on Mar 10, 2010 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

The Avs were playing great and got a little happy with themselves with a 3-0 lead.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. I do not believe this loss was a case of sitting back on a lead at all. This really did not look like their “cool, we’ve got this one” games. Lots of other things went wrong but I really don’t think that is what sparked those problems.

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I will take the blame

Last night was the first night that i participated in the Game time thread and we lost so i apologize to everyone and will not be posting anymore during the game time thread!! Please forgive me for my SIN.

I may live in NC but my seats are definatly Center Ice LOL

by BryceLeo on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 AM MST reply actions  

Don’t worry, I thought I had the same effect after feeling like I only popped in during losses, but fate goes both ways!

by xskatebakerrx on Mar 10, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Play Budaj more! I never thought I’d say that this year, but even with 2 weeks off Andy doesn’t look good.

I bet he's got more trophies than the pope and Wayne Gretzky combined!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 10, 2010 11:47 AM MST reply actions  

I don’t think you can sit Andy now (nor do I think there’s any chance he will sit).

the body language from him late in that game was a tad distressing, though

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

the body language from him late in that game starting 30 seconds into the 2nd period until the end of the game was a tad distressing, though

fixed

(I’ll stop railing on our goaltender now.)

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Neither does the rest of the team though.

 And normally I would agree with DDC…but I think you play Boods against Florida at least, and let Andy get his head straight.

"Drugs are bad because if you do drugs you're a hippie and hippies suck." - Eric Cartman

by chiavsfan on Mar 10, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Budaj hasn't played a game in over 2 months

I doubt he will get the start against Florida. Besides, I am sure Andy will tell Sacco he wants another chance to beat his old team and Sacco will just say yes.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I am willing to bet that the next time you see Budaj will be either

-after the Avs have clinched a playoff berth (IF they clinch)
-after Andy gets injured
-next year

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

and as far as next year, it may not be in a unipron.

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by hockeymom on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

That makes me a sad panda

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.

by smoky201 on Mar 10, 2010 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

probably won’t be a unipron

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Why doesn’t anybody ever read something and become a happy panda? Do they have prodigious erections or something when they are happy?

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Gawd! What is up with you today! Using the “right hand on a Friday night” thing, the cosplay thing, and now this. Are you hinting at something?

by Mrs @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I just hope

he isn’t hinting at get some private time with a panda’s right hand.

All sorts of problems could arise from that.

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, pandas are left-handed. Awkward!

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

an amusing story to help us move on

today, my wife is wearing her Mile High Hockey t-shirt. When she went to pick up our daughter at preschool, two of the moms complimented her (quite loudly) on her Mile High Club T-shirt.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 1:10 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Awesome

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice

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by chiavsfan on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

sending my order in now…

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate to break it to you, but the shirts don’t actually say Mile High Club

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I know, but the unintentional comedy for my Mrs. would be awesome…

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Technically isn't everyone who's ever had sex in Denver part of the Mile High club?

just sayin

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by UZ on Mar 10, 2010 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Then it’s official. I’m in.

And so is Mrs.

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

YES! count me in as well.

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

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by Americanario on Mar 10, 2010 7:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I feel I can finally speak to my thoughts on that "game last night"

Why did I feel that as soon as we went up 3 goals to none that things were going to go wrong, wrong, wrong?

A defense that can’t keep a 3 goal lead needs to be fixed coach! Watch some friggin’ game tape and fix that garbage!!

Fighting for the division title should result in some hits being visited on the visiting team, where were they??

As much as I love this team, they really let us down last night.

We will fight in the mountains. We will fight in the valleys. We will fight on the ice and in the stands. We will never surrender.

by JollyAver on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM MST reply actions  

I will say this. I swore – loudly – when that winning goal was scored. I haven’t been really all that passionate about Avalanche games lately, so I was kind of excited to have a little emotion about the game, even if it was the wrong kind of emotion.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I swore – loudly – when that winning goal was scored.

You, me, and all the other fans around me. I went to the game and just couldn’t believe my eyes. Sacco commented that there were some consistent problems that were creeping into the Av’s game that he needed to address. I hope he gives the team holy hell for blowing a great lead and they come out with some fire.

by mormaker on Mar 10, 2010 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I broke the plastic cereal container that my son had in the living room and sliced open my thumb on the broken piece.

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by Americanario on Mar 10, 2010 7:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Bummer.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by sandiegee on Mar 10, 2010 8:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I miss Mack and his truck-like hits. He had a big one recently and it looked good and I want more.

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

You know

for all the bitching we’re doing…
 - that sweet ass bad angle shot by Stewie was MONEY
- doesn’t Dutchy just make you wanna cry with how good he is?? I swear, the way he danced through all those ’Nucks to make that goal was Estair-esque.
- Wolski who?

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 1:50 PM MST reply actions  

On Squandering Leads

Oh well. Last year we wouldn’t have had a 3-goal lead, ever.

Look for the Avs to rebound next game.

by HugoAgogo on Mar 10, 2010 2:35 PM MST reply actions  

Also

I would just like to point out that while standing on 16th street making 4 dollars an hour was great fun for 5 hours while the same bum kept coming up to me and staring at my hat every 10 minutes, I’M NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN AUGH

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by UZ on Mar 10, 2010 3:08 PM MST reply actions  

Actually all the greenpeace dudes and I are friends, I was next to them for about 2 hours.

I call it... The Avaslug!
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Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

why were you on 16th st. making 4$ an hour?

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

bitch gotta eat

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 10, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

You missed the whole “UZ wants to go to the game and has no money” fiasco yesterday, eh?

Also bitch gotta eat

I call it... The Avaslug!
I am the 1st and probably only official member of the David "Dr." Jones fanclub. Until I get the newsletter out, anyway.

Syracuse Basketball 2010: Big East Champs!!! G'Orange!

by UZ on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

You know

And there ain’t no rest for the Wicked
Money doesn’t grow on trees.

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to slap a bitch?

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 10, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Was this the hat?

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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 10, 2010 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

I have that hat in my “Halloween costumes” box in storage.

The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche: People can stop waiting for these kids to hit the wall. They won’t.

by NurseBeachie on Mar 10, 2010 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

im in a debate with a canuck fan on one of my favorite video game boards

he claims:

1) Bertuzzi did not mean to injure Moore
2) Bertuzzi’s actions were justified because of the Naslund hit
3) Moore should have been suspended for life for the Naslund hit, but Bertuzzi should not have been.

:O

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 5:07 PM MST reply actions  

1) Bullshit, but probably didn’t mean to injure THAT much
2) He fought earlier in that game, that should have been it. Period.
3) Bullshit again on both counts.

God i hate people that try to justify that shit.

maybe an internet pipe froze and burst

by Uziel on Mar 10, 2010 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

There are some people that should be made sterile and not allowed to reproduce.

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

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by Americanario on Mar 10, 2010 7:59 PM MST up reply actions  

wow

hilariously enough, i think this person is transgender if they’re who I remember. so they were.

by thedoctor on Mar 10, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe there is a god…

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by Mike @ MHH on Mar 11, 2010 7:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Times like this

I feel like inventing a way to punch a person in the face through the internet.

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by Drakenlot on Mar 10, 2010 10:35 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be like printing money. I want in on the ground floor if you ever figure that one out.

The Avalanche, clearly, are down with No PP.

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 11, 2010 7:31 AM MST up reply actions  

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