Quarterfinals Game 4 Recap: Sharks Get Big Win, Beat Avs 2-1 In Overtime
The anticipation for this game couldn't have been higher for the San Jose Sharks. After totally and completely dominating our beloved Avalanche in game 3 on Sunday night, to say that they were eager to get back on the ice and erase the sour taste of Sunday would be the understatement of the year.
The Avs did not get off to the start that they wanted as Paul Stastny was whistled for high sticking just a measly 2 seconds into the game. Almost as if the hockey gods are playing around with these two teams, Dan Boyle put just about every fiber of his being into the shot that eluded Craig Anderson. It was also the first shot taken in the game. 1-0 Sharks just 1:12 into the game.
As the first period progressed the hitting and intensity picked up. You don't have to be Brian Engblom to call that one. Marek Svatos seemed to me like he had a lot of jump as the period progressed. Could be the fact that I was at work for almost 12 hours today. I digress.
During the last 5 minutes of the period, the Avs were starting to pick up some pressure and really cycle the puck in the zone. Then, Adam Foote felt like he needed to help Matt Duchene get some room to get the puck out from behind the Sharks net. What an absolutely needless penalty. As it happened, I was thinking that the needless penalties that this team takes is going to be their undoing. Thankfully though, the Avs were able to kill the penalty off. Of note, the power play chances are 17-8 in favor of the Sharks through 3 games and 1 period.
As the second period was getting underway, I thought to myself that there is only 2 ways that the rest of this game was going to go. First, the Avs were going to continue to let the Sharks have their way with them and dominate play and hope that Craig Anderson was going to be there to bail them out. Again. Second, they were going to come out of the locker room after Joe Sacco "calmly" talked to them during the intermission and bring the play to the Sharks. And by calmly I mean that the Pepsi Center maintenance team is going to need to go into the Avs locker room to repaint some of the walls.
I sure am glad that the Avs chose the second option. They came out and really forced the play in the San Jose zone. What happens when you do that? You give the refs no other option but to disobey their orders from Gary Bettman and call a penalty on the Sharks. Wouldn't you know it, the Avs scored a power play goal to tie the game. The most overpaid player in the NHL in Paul Stastny, tipped the John-Michael Liles low wrist shot past Evgeni Nabokov to tie the game just over 3 minutes into the 2nd period. Game tied 1-1.
The Avs continued to apply the pressure throughout much of the second period. At times, the Sharks seemed like they had no answer. Then they remembered they were the Sharks and started to try and goon it up a bit. Thankfully though, the Avs responded to that with more hard, legal hits. They continued to make the Sharks pay a price to go into the corner and fight for the loose pucks.
As the second period came to a close, there was a pretty good collision between Stephane Yelle and a Sharks player. This appeared to set the tone for the third period. It let the Sharks know that no matter how hard they play the Avs, the Avs are going to give it right back to them and there is going to be no easy way past the Avs.
As the third period begin, I was feeling a little optimistic that this team was going to be able to carry their play from the second period of this game into the "second second" period. I was right for being optimistic. They continued to force the play along the boards and make the Sharks work for every single inch of ice in all zones of the ice.
I mentioned this in the game day thread, but it is definitely worth mentioning again. This is the best "team" game that I have seen the Avalanche play in a really long time. Every single player on the team, every single shift is leaving absolutely everything on the ice. Two players that stood out to me in the third period were Johnny Hot Pocket and Matt Hendricks. I really don't think that there is a harder working player on this team than Matt Hendricks. After every shift he goes to the bench having left it all on the ice.
The other big story of the third period was the breaking up of the "ghost" line of Thonton-Marleau-Heatley. They continued to be ineffective against the defensive style of the Avs. Whether this was strictly due to the play of Anderson or a collective effort from the whole team, there is no denying that they are not getting the job done right now.
There were several close calls as the the third period was drawing to a close. Brandon Yip played almost 18 minutes in regulation. For a rookie, that is pretty much unheard of. As a whole, this team's Young Guns are playing like they are seasoned veterans. This game, like 2 of the 3 previous games, this one was headed to overtime.
To say that I was nervous as the overtime period started would not even come close to describing how I was feeling. Thankfully though Andy was able to make a few saves early to get himself into the game. After that though, the game definitely even itself out. Although the Avs were able to mount a more threatening attack as the overtime period wore on. Then...
On a somewhat seemingly innocent looking play, Joe Pavelski lets a hard wrist shot go from just inside the hash marks and beats Craig Anderson top shelf to send the series back to San Jose tied 2 games apiece.
Derek's Three Stars of the Game:
3rd Star: Craig Anderson (43 saves)
2nd Star: Ryane Clowe (2A)
1st Star: Joe Pavelski (GWG, 1A)
DDC's Take: A win would have been terrific, but it’s tough for me to get to disappointed in the game. Except for a rough patch to start the game, the Avalanche showed that they belong in the playoffs and that they are very capable of beating the Sharks. This series is still up for grabs. And what a great series it’s been - 3 OT games (nearly 4) – and neither team has had a 2-goal lead yet. I can’t wait until Thursday.
Mr. Coffey's Take: Even though the Avs lost this game, I doubt there are many (if any) detractors left that could honestly argue the Avs can't win this series. I think this loss actually illustrates that fact more than any of the previous games. What a great series - it doesn't feel like a first round first and eight seed match up at all.
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I am not upset by this loss. I obviously want us to win every game, and to win the series but what I want the most is to see the boys prove that they are capable of coming back from an atrocious game- especially with some of our keys guys injured.
The reffing in the first period sucked but it was pretty good after that- if we see more fairly consistent reffing we’re going to be a huge force to reckon with. Even though we’re going back to San Jose I think we’ve still got a great shot at this.
I BELIEVE!
For a team missing 4 of its top 6 wingers, I’d say we did pretty alright!
Also, I think ‘Swedish Meatball’ would be a good nickname for Douglas Murray.
no doubt
Think we would have had a few more goals with Hejduk and Mueller in the game?
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 20, 2010 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
The chances we had, I reckon we wouldn’t even have needed OT with any one of Hejduk, Mueller, Jones, or Duchene fully healthy. Seems like every last one of our finishers/big shooters are on the shelf right now.
Really hoping the Duke’s back in time for Game 5, his veteran presence and laser shot would really make a difference right now.
That guy cracks me up, I yelled fat jokes at him all night on Sunday.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 20, 2010 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
That's a really good point
I almost forgot we were missing so many players. We should have Hejduk back and maybe it’s time for a Jones show.
I think Svats earned a spot on the 3rd line on Thursday.
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I thought Svats played a good game as well, but i think the big props tonight go to the tucker line, they were tough on the boards, getting the puck deep..love it
minus of the night, i hate hannan down low, or really doing anything with the puck..what the hell happened to stastny/stewart…Gali is the only one on that line who seems to give a shit.. it seems dutchy is suffering as the wingers around him shift, not good
Mission 14W
Gali-SoS-Stewie
They are the line up against the HTML line most of the game, not very surprising that they aren’t stacking points.
The fact that HTML has got 0 goals I think says a lot about our top line’s performance.
Also, we need a nickname for this top line…
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
i like that they’re shutting down the top sharks line..but once they get the puck deep, they can’t cycle worth shit
Mission 14W
They played a good third period and overtime,
spending a lot of time in the Shark zone. They were close so many times; I really thought one of them was going to win it for us.
by airforcefoo on Apr 20, 2010 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions
4G 4A +3 is pretty deplorable.
Especially compared to SJS top line of 0G 4A -7.
We should probably just hang them publicly or somethin’
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all im saying is they’ve had some crazy chances these past few games, and have lacked some finish
Mission 14W
at least they have some finish, as compared to the sauceless wonders.
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
The team as a whole lacked finish the last two games
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Draken
time for a siggy update.
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Not yet
When it’s impossible for SJ to win in six, I will change.
Meaning it will be changed early Friday morning.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Right.
Got ahead of myself.
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Also, we need a nickname for this top line…
the GaSS ???
just a first thought.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
The GODDAMN SON OF SPARTSCUS line.
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by wflan on Apr 21, 2010 1:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, we need a nickname for this top line…
I agree.
Best I can think of is Rocky Mountain Express
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
This makes me think of the old railroad nicknames out of Union Station… The Denver Zephyr, the Colorado Zephyr, etc.
I have always liked the word Chinook, but I dont really think it has any application here.
Thanks Joe...
I like the word janky, but I feel that really only applies to Paul Stastny’s mouth.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
how about 1st line? No? Well I’m not all that imaginitive anyway.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Rocky Mountain eXtreme
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
It's not that hard to cross the border,
and come get you for crap like that, you know!
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might have to change that to “hellz yah, bra!”
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Detroit Sucks
I was actually contemplating that- I actually typed and then erased “bra.” I was thinking about it, but then I was like, no.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Svats has really redefined his game from sniper to grinder, props to him for it.
Personally, I’ve been a long-time advocate of bumping Cumiskey to the wing and having his insane speed lead the rush. I noticed that whenever it was him carrying the puck into the zone, the Sharks noticed and gave him plenty of space. A set play where he crosses the line, pushing the Sharks players far back, drops it to a playmaker flanked by a sniper on the other wing and/or a dman with a big point shot, and then crashes the net sounds like it’d be pretty deadly.
Agreed.
I’m thinking (hoping)
Galiardicus – SoS – Stewie
Yip – Dutchy – Duke
Highlander – Radar – Svats
Slapchop (no Shamwow please) – Yeller – Hendrix
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Because Yip has outplayed Svats by a wide margin in this series and this season.
Otherwise, no reason.
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Svatos is usless unless he’s in a top 6 role, but then again he’s not so good there either. The movible object is geting hit by the resistible force.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Svatos is uslessunless he’s in a top 6 role, but then again he’s not so good there either. The movible object is geting hit by the resistible force.
Fixed.
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I like using the most words possible to say the same thing.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
but I’m actually saying something with a point, that’s logical and somewhat thought out. So me=much better than fox news. Unless you want a hot blonde saying it then fox news=better than me.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
No, if he were he’d also be yelling. And spreading lies.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha ha ha! Well done, Bob! A comment about Fox News telling lies – an original and interesting viewpoint you have there! Just excellent!
by Dan Winkler on Apr 21, 2010 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you still stalking me?
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you so very much for elevating the level of our wretched little hockey dialogue with your erudite and witty observations young Daniel!
We are truly blessed to be the happy recipients of your beneficence!
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I have no idea is this is good or bad. I hope it is bad, and it is some fancy schmancy way of calling Dan an ahole.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
You keep using that word. . .
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Does Svatos really need “us” out there with him. Don’t think I’d be of much assistance.
Basically, let’s put the “skill” up in the top 6. Let Svats earn a contract. Yip hasn’t set the world on fire so far this series.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Not sure what you saw last night that I missed,
or in the balance of the series or the season for that matter, but Yip created far more last night specifically and in the series / season generally than Svatos has. Yip hasn’t been perfect, but he also hasn’t conclusively proven that he’s ready for the scrapheap as Svatos has shown over the last two years.
If Svatos has skill, I haven’t seen it since he was skating with SuperJoe & Foppa and those guys would make it look like I have skill!
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We’re seeing the same thing. I’m looking at the line from a balance standpoint. Duchene creates (at least in this series he hasn’t been shooting), Duke and Svatos are finishers. Svats in particular seems to have a weird skill around the net. You put Yip in one corner digging out pucks (which is something he’s good at) and you’ve reduced the “finishers” on that line by half. We need goals and hard work. I think my line would have the hard work covered well and have a little more rubber-meets-twine capabilities.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
OK,
but last night was final proof (IMO) of the fact that Svats has lost whatever around the net finishing ability he might once have had. He’s had multiple chances this season to show it (the first 25 games or so) and had at least 4 chances last night. Nothing.
He skates hard and tries (at least in the offensive zone). Hmmmm, sounds like a bottom six / scratch guy to me. Yes, Yip is not the prototypical sniper, but given what we have on hand, I’d rather he be taking chances from Dutchy than Svats.
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classic lines
Am I wrong, or isn’t the combination of a grinder (Yip), sniper (Svats), and set up man (Dutchy) a pretty classic formula for a line?
Hejduk, please come back Thursday
Also, looking at the goal, Galiardi went for a needless hit on Murray when he could have just picked up the puck before Pavelski did. Whatever. Time to move on. We need the Duke of Milan!
I saw that during the game
They’re gooning it up for sure. The best way to get retribution is to send them home for the summer.
by airforcefoo on Apr 20, 2010 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I had to get a video of it because I knew it’d be one of those things that I’d talk about on LJ or something and all the girls would say it never happened. I still need to find a video of Boyle slewfooting Galli in game 2.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 20, 2010 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I was kind of more surprised that the Avs announcers said
“Welcome to the playoffs kid”
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
That is true
it doesn’t negate the dirtiness of it however.
Avalanche 2009-2010: We'll beat the refs and the Sharks. We do not care.
Thank you!
I am really gunning for the Kings to crush the Canucks!
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 20, 2010 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
True.
Protip vs. Raycroft:
Twinkies.
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Smyth crushed his hand
I wonder if he’ll play
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
We won’t know until tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.
Go Kings.
"Douglas Murray is a humongous human being." – Drew Remenda
Crap!
Didn’t see that! Saw that he got brained on the boards, but damn!
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Actually, Smyth jumped in the crease and landed on Luongo’s catching glove. Probably felt just wonderful.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
That seemed to throw Luongo off a bit….can’t image having a skate blade come down on your hand.
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by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank you. Please leave the “e” out of “Avs”. I too am rooting for the kings over the canucks.
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
sorry to be that guy, but yes. It’s ok, you can blame it on that neon monstrosity up at the top there.
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
*Gasp*
don’t pick on my gif!
"Skillet, we just spent $64,000 in that bar. So we're gonna have to get jobs to cover up the fact that we rob banks" -Mouse Fitzgerald
How is that gif any worse than my infamous Wolski post?
I didn’t harm children with it!
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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Everyone's favorite Buffalo Rumblings Anti-Tebow blowhard!
Only cause xskatebakerxx took her meds.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
And it’s a good thing I did! In other news, I am really, really glad that .gif is gone.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, no annoying blinking gifs please
Assistant *to* the Managing Editor, Mile High Hockey
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Mr. Killjoy.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
GAH
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 21, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Connie!
It’s Cheryl from the Dogs! How ya doin?
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
and here I gave Mike shit for blowing your cover
Assistant *to* the Managing Editor, Mile High Hockey
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
well...
for a teammate, I’m willing to take the chance that on a thread that will end up having a thousand or so comments that I’ll be safe. =)
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty good game overall, especially when you consider that tucker and Svatos were two of the best Avs out there. My prediction is that whoever wins game 5 takes the series.
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
My prediction is that Jimmy Howard takes the series. And every other series. All the way to the Lord Howard cup!
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 20, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait
Why are we even playing these games? It’s already decided that Jimmy Howard will win every single one in a shutout.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
cuz he’s an expert
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
He's seen every replay
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
and hasn’t met a sandwich he hasn’t punched straight in the teeth
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
He doesn't need to punch sandwiches
Sandwiches punch themselves when they see him.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Lord Jimmy doesn’t actually make any saves. The puck, scared to death, comes to a screeching halt in front of him
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
The only reason he doesn't have 86 shutouts
Is because he felt sorry for the other players.
Howard is a Saint.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
in advance
Oh yeah, he time travels, too.
by airforcefoo on Apr 20, 2010 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions
he is the matrix.
Steve Moore’s last act as a hockey player was beating Matt Cooke’s ass, which makes him a great great person.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
You mean
The Jimmy Howard Award for being Jimmy Howard.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Totally different
The Jimmy Howard Award is shaped like a open door.
The Lord Jimmy Howard Cup is shaped like a Red Wing fan’s ego.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
he’s watched a lot of replays
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
Are you telling me, or asking me?
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
no, I’m telling you. It was on the replay
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
so you’re an expert?
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
It's shaped like a penis?
So what are the chances for an Avalanche vs. Sabres finals, eh?
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Everyone's favorite Buffalo Rumblings Anti-Tebow blowhard!
NO
a gaping “5 hole”.
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No one knows what the Cup is shaped like
For the same reason we don’t know what’s beyond our universe, it’s just too damn big.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Who is Jimmy Howard?
The only goalie for the Red Wings that i know of is Jesus.
Avalanche 2009-2010: We'll beat the refs and the Sharks. We do not care.
Just got back from the game.
Bleh. Great atmosphere at the can tonight. We definitely gave it our all tonight, just came up a little short.
TWHS
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
Detroit Sucks
We definitely gave it our all tonight, just came up a little short in bed.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m disappointed the only goal at my end of the ice was the game winner. Still, got to see some great saves by Andy in the 2nd.
They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.
Bring on the playoff beard!
by Guitarpick8120 on Apr 21, 2010 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Trade Rumour Alert!
E5 – Chris Durno to TOR for 1st round pick in 2012!
You heard it here first!
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Is he going to make $3 mil a’la Finger? Also, how does this potential trade affect Jimmy Howard?
They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.
Bring on the playoff beard!
by Guitarpick8120 on Apr 21, 2010 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
In depth report here.
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Geez, you can be so mean
You’re going to make DownGoesBrown cry.
And Jimmy Howard doesn’t like knowing that others are mean.
He was scored on for our sins you know, you’re ruining his sacrifice.
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
You drive a hard bargain!
OK, OK.
Chris Durno to TOR
Tyler Bozak & TOR 2010 2nd round to COL.
Fair enough?
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Jimmy Howard approves
Dear experts that picked a Sharks win in 5: Go frak yourselves.
Sincerely , Colorado Avalanche
Ok
Some game last night. I am now dog tired at work would have been a lot better if the boys had been the one to barry the over time goal but such is life I am happy that we have split each location. Not to mention we looked very strong on the puck but just goes to show we are missing some of our scoring punch. I hope we get some guys back for Thursday’s game.
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Dear Craig Anderson,
Get off your lazy ass and score some goals! C’mon man!!
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by Richard R on Apr 21, 2010 6:51 AM MDT reply actions 4 recs
If Anderson was as good as Howard
Anderson would have 4 hat tricks already.
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If Anderson was as good as Howard
Even I would get ice time. I don’t know how, but that’s the power of the Howard.
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Howard controls the temperature of the ice with his mind. If he wants the ice fast, he makes it colder. If he wants the game slower, he makes it warmer.
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Howard didn’t wet the bed when he was younger, the bed wet itself in fear of Howard
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I wonder
If the league had to choose between Crosby and Howard, who would win?
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The league will be asking Howard to make that choice, so it’s moot.
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Also
the league is now referring to Howard as a superhero. He stopped 29 shots. Anderson stopped 51 and was not called a superhero.
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The league is now now as the National Howard League.
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by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I now live in the United States of Howard.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
There is no Crosby. Crosby is just a figment of Howard’s imagination.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Sidney Crosby is Jimmy Howard's alter ego
When he feels like playing forward.
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If Anderson was as good as Howard
The Western Conference final would be decided in the first game, when Bettman would decide to go ahead and have Howard rip the cup in half after 63 scoreless OT periods.
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Overall...
We played a great game, and actually put some pucks on net. We had good chances in OT (REALLY MISSED Duke and Mueller there), but it was a loss I’m not gonna be super disappointed about.
Svatos was finishing his checks A TON, I was quite shocked. Yip and Hendricks also played well in the later stages. Andy was fearless and calm, although he gave me like 80 heart attacks. I can’t believe how composed he was.
Anyone see Tucker get tied up with some guy behind their net. The guy was chicken winging Tucks’ stick, then stopped, turned to Tucker and just tackled him. No call, couldn’t believe it. Was our goal on the ONLY PWP we had?
PLEASE WIN GAME 5! I’m actually gonna go out to the bar to watch. The Wings aren’t even on that night so I should be safe, right?
Tucker was doing some holding of his own on that play. No call was a good move by the refs.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Apr 21, 2010 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn’t see Tucker decapitated, and it’s the playoffs, so it was probably a good non-call.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions
So I woke up sad this morning
But I had to explain the game to some girl and I realized that if San Jose was missing Heatley, Clowe, and Pavelski, how good would they be? Not good. Missing 3 players like Mueller, Hejduk, and Jones who are ironically our scoring wingers, would be devastating for most teams. The fact we are 2-2 in the series and played an even game last night with 3 of our top 6 forwards out is a credit to our defensive scheme and a credit to our team.
I am very proud of this team and I think this is doable.
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I was thinking that too
And I was looking at the picture on NHL.com of the Sharks celebrating their OT goal and seeing how thrilled they were to score it. Then I glanced at the caption that referenced the Sharks tying the Avs and not leading the Avs and I couldn’t help but smile at the fact our boys are in this thing. They went from being the joke of the Western Conference – if not the NHL last year – to where they are now. This is just so satisfying no matter what happens from here on out.
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly. We’re still in it even if everyone else seems to think that we don’t have any GWG’s. Our boys have gone out and played hard (with the exception of game 3 which ick) and have been able to take control of a lot of these games. I want us to win, and I want us to move on, but it won’t kill me if we don’t because we stood up to the naysayers and we’ve made it a series.
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
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we have a defensive scheme? I didn’t realize letting as many shots as possible get through so Andy could save them was a scheme.
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insert the word ‘zany’ before defensive and scheme and that’s more like it.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m trying to find something to be angry about, but I really can’t. Like I said on FB this morning, almost all of the team’s offense is on the shelf and injured. The rest is trying to figure out how not to give up 50-plus shots a game. When it comes right down to it, 4 1-goals games (including 3 OT) against the number 1 team in the WC…when the team was supposed to roll over and die? I can’t even tell you how proud I am of this team.
I still think they can pull it off, but if not, they gave some people something to think about next year…Go Avs!
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I was going to say something similar. Every game that San Jose doesn’t bowl us over like they thought they would chips away at their confidence a little more. I really think we are in the driver’s seat on this one.
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Boyle's postgame interview
He seemed a little daunted, even after the win, at how much hard work they still had left to do in this series. He did not seem confident at all.
Rycroft was actually chuckling at how uncertain and tired Boyle seemed.
Hannan’s gruesome breakouts. He had another “breakout” last night that made me cringe. Plenty of time in his own zone behind the net, with 2 Sharks pinching low, and he just butchered it.
Good coaching by McLellan to see that the Avs breakouts are awful. Instead of putting one guy in front of Andy while the Avs players have control of the puck behind their net, he’s bringing two to take away the outlet passes. This leaves the Sharks susceptible to a long pass, but the only Av capable of such a pass is Liles right now (and maybe Quincey). It’s giving Hannan fits and he’s really screwing it up a lot.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry guys, this one's on me
We’re 2-0 in the playoffs when I listen to the game online, 0-2 when I don’t. I have an excuse, however – my computer completely died on Tuesday (Australia time) and I couldn’t get a replacement part until this evening.
I should be back for the next game!
Well I will be
washing my jersey since they lost. There was talk in the GDT that I spilled a really dark red beer on it. I had to figure out if I was going to have to just leave the beer stain and the smell in there or just dab some club soda on it if they won. Unfortunately the lost, so now it’s going in the wash, hopefully it washes out the injury bug as well.
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A few things….
Anderson has played great
The reffing is still one sided….the penalties being called on the Avalanche are well deserved but they really like to look the other way for the Sharks…hence 8 million powerplays to 7? lol That hit on Duchene when he was going to the bench ? Trip on Galiardi….trip on Yip…goalie interference when they ran Anderson…how about big tough bitch Thorton HITTING Anderson’s glove after the whistle. If their gonna blow the whistle on us IT SHOULD GO BOTH WAYS…and its not….
Duchene needs to step it up a bit he’s been good but he can be better!
Cumiskey is faster then every shark by a mile its hilarious he should carry the puck more
Hedjuk should be back Thursday and I can’t see Jones being held out much longer….
Salei needs to be benched and released I can’t STAND HIM
Great game really if the refs take off their Sharks team sweaters and ref the game fairly both ways and we keep skating we should cause them alot of problems because ya they get 40 shots a game…they shoot the puck from center ice and the blue line in reality the scoring chances are pretty close ;)
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
I mean we were given 2 powerplays
In the 3rd period and OT at least the refs were evenly calling nothing. I mean there were some iffy non-calls on us so as long as its even I am happy.
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I thought there were some missed calls for the Avs in the first period, the Interference in front of the bench on Duchene, and the trip on Galiardi by Heatly that even Heatly was shocked he didn’t get called on.
After that I thought the reffing was ok. Games 3 and 4 have been a substantial improvement over 1 and 2.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't care if our player gets decaptitated
as long we can decapitate their player right back and not get called.
This is hyperbole…or is it?
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If you read our game thread you’ll not that even I thought that Heatley was a trip.
As far as Duchene in front of the benches, that’s a high traffic area when changes are happening.
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hat’s a high traffic area when changes are happening
And Sharks players specifically targeted him and knocked him down. That was about as blatant of interference as you can get. Just as bad as the one (properly) called on Foote.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably
But it didn’t happen 2 feet in front of the ref, or knock the net off the moorings.
I really think the net is the reason that penalty was called. What is the ref suppose to do? They have to stop play to fix the net, if they don’t call that…
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Or are we talking about different Foote penalties?
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I suppose being confused over the penalties is less a problem when they don’t get called against you.
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Different foote penalties. Foote took out a defender that was trailing Duchene in the Sharks zone. atrocious penalty by him.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I was surprised that one got called, but again, he did it 2 feet in front of a ref. The guy has to pick better spots.
Its not like the Avs don’t get away with picking players on the cycle all the time. They did it a lot last night, I just figure that’s hockey.
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The foote one is always a penalty. It wasn’t just a pick, it was a check on a guy. It was a dumb play.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
uh, dude, you’ve lost perspective. not that this is unusual in the playoffs, but they ran him over on purpose.
Okay, it was most likely on purpose
He was between him and the bench though, so he had the excuse to do it on purpose.
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He was 2 feet in front of his own door.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey, we’re not calling players murderers.
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We don’t have a murderer on our team. If the shoe fits, and all…
by Dan Winkler on Apr 21, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
and the Sharks have two
Heatley and Robert Blake.
FU Rob Blake, and I mean that in the most gentlemanly way possible
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 21, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
The Blake part is funny. The Heatley portion is not.
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No matter which way you play it a spade is a spade. Not that it mattes since Heatley is a motherfucking allstar anyway.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless that spade is a diamond painted black.
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we only paint red doors black around here
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
by Uziel on Apr 21, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ve said it before, but I don’t hold heatley accountable for Snyder’s death. And if you want to get all line crossing about it, you should really call him a homicidal maniac, not a murderer. What he did was not murder by any definition of the term. It was also a tragedy,albeit preventable, and imo even Heatley’s douchiness doesn’t warrant that label. Maybe if OJ was playing hockey it would be ok.
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i was totally just going for a veiled rolling stones reference
not in the face not in the face!
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
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not in the face not in the face!
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by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry,
I meant that more as a reply to posts above, and was just keeping the thread going in the same direction
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Rec'd
for Stones content!
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but Paint it black is a great song.
rec’d
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have been upset if it was
I’m not surprised it wasn’t.
The trip was far more egregious.
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I would put them on the same level of egregiosity (awesome word, I wonder if it’s real).
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I agree with everything. But at least the reffing got way better in the second and third periods (the ones where the Sharks couldn’t score, hrmmm.) The thing with Duchene in front of the bench was so ridiculous.
Wilson should NOT have been benched for Salei. I don’t care if he’s under-preforming, he’s still way better than Salei has been.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
It could have been a wake-up call. Sacco has done that before. I thought Salei wasn’t bad last night, but of course we’d all prefer Wilson.
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It’s probably because I don’t like him, but I saw him doing a lot of stupid stuff last night. My fiance kept screaming at him to be in position- he said he’d rather have Clark in and he hates Clark, haha.
But hopefully it will be a wakeup call for Wilson just like Liles and Quincey have gotten. I think Wilson is still a little cautious after that concussion, but I think it’d be alright for him to at least get a little more aggressive with the puck.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Salei had some “interesting” shifts, but I thought he was better than Wilson’s been
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Wilson has been cautious
It’s as if his timing is off a bit. Does anyone know if Hejduk took the warm-up practice last night or was scratched before?
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I thought Salei was fine. more physical than Wilson, little slower, but most importantly he moved the puck well and pinched at good times.
Moving the puck on defense is the achilles heel of this team. All those stats guys that talk about the Avs Corsi and shot ratio, that all comes from the avs inability to move the puck on defense.
The Sharks are really exposing that weakness on the Avs this series.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
In that vain
We are exposing Sharks’ slowness and I think if we keep streaking up the middle, even if it is just Liles and RR, we can pierce their zone. They like to switch off from a 2-1-2 to a 1-2-2. That 2-1-2 is tougher to get around but if we do we get scoring chances.
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Not many teams have the team speed the Avs have. I don’t there’s another team in the playoffs that can expose the Sharks that way.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
100% agreed. and half of that is schematic.
Liles and Quincey have been the only reliable puck-movers in the series. Cumiskey has really frustrated me — he’s had stretches of great D, and he’s always a huge threat to skate the puck out, but then he’s suddenly making brain dead weak-ass clears and exit passes.
It’s just youth, but the series has really highlighted that we need more solid 2-way defensemen. Hannan and Foote are a flat liability offensively, and Liles gets pushed around too easily.
Completely agree (in fact, my next blog post is going to be on this).
Cumiskey has really frustrated me because he has the ability to break that 2 person pinch all by himself with his speed, but he’s been reluctant to use it. He’s taking away one of his biggest strengths as a player.
Liles can still be a defensive liability in the corners, but he’s been fantastic this series. I know he’s always mentioned in trade rumors because of his salary, but I’d be pretty disappointed if we traded the one defenseman that seems to know how to pass the puck.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
if Liles played like this all the time I would keep him too, he’s been playing great. But he doesn’t, and there’s a ton young PMDs coming up. I’m torn on it, but seems like SOMEONE has to go.
Liles has 2 years left on his contract, and none of our young players (Stewart, Yip, Galiardi, Duchene, Jones, Stoa, Porter, Mueller) will be UFAs between now and when his contract is up, they are all up for RFA though. All of them will get raises, but I don’t think we’ll need to really break the bank for any of them with the their next deals (Maybe Stweart or Duchene). It’s when they become UFAs that you need to pay them really well.
I like our crop of puck moving defensemen on their way, but they will still be young, mistake-prone players for a few years. If this team is at a level where it can make the playoffs and compete, I don’t think it’s wise to move the one good experienced passer this team has, until they grow up a little more.
I’d like to see Liles play out his contract. I don’t think the salary will be a hindrance to signing those guys, and I don’t think the Avs can rely solely on rookie defensemen (which tend to develop slower than forwards) to be puck movers on the back end.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I like our crop of puck moving defensemen on their way, but they will still be young, mistake-prone players for a few years. If this team is at a level where it can make the playoffs and compete, I don’t think it’s wise to move the one good experienced passer this team has, until they grow up a little more.
I’d like to see Liles play out his contract. I don’t think the salary will be a hindrance to signing those guys, and I don’t think the Avs can rely solely on rookie defensemen (which tend to develop slower than forwards) to be puck movers on the back end.
That sounds an awful like like something I said yesterday…only you did it better and with bigger words and with a lot more evidence and stuff.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
only you did it better and with bigger words
Clearly I have a better mastery of the English language. ;)
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
and you don’t have a migraine that borders on “Shit, I should probably go to the hospital and get a fucking MRI right about now.”
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s my experience that women always have a headache. You guys should know how to work through it by now
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
If it didn’t hurt so incredibly bad I’d come up with a snappy remark for this.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m more concerned about Liles regressing again. If he plays at this level, great, let’s keep him. but for 2-3 years he’s been wildly inconsistent. Is the 4.2m going to keep us from signing guys the next 2 years? no, but I’d still rather have a bigger and more consistent defenseman back there in some ways.
Basically, would I rather have Paul Martin at 5m or JM Liles at 4.2m? Martin fits our needs WAY better, and we have young smallish PMDs coming up through the system to replace Liles. It’s a numbers game.
Add to that a fear of being WAY too small on D with Cumiskey, Liles, and Shattenkirk all on the back end…man, I dunno. Can we really keep Shattenkirk down another 2 years? I don’t want to.
I truly believe Liles has turned a corner. I don’t think you’re going to see him regress. He’s playing the best hockey of his career right now.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
since I doubt they will trade him, I hope you’re right. My gut says we’ll be back to wondering wtf is going on with him next year though…
I hope it’s just indigestion.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
We’re on the same page. I’m certainly open to trading Liles, he’s no where close to untouchable. If we got a guy like Martin, Liles does become expendable.
But the team, as built right now, I don’t think he is. Cumiskey’s just not going to be an adequate replacement unless he learns to make better passes or use that speed of his.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
but I’m not sure he’ll be ready in 2 years, as much as I like him. It’s quite the risk to take, and it wouldn’t hurt the avs to have 2-3 defensemen that can pass the puck.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Defenseman always seem to have more trouble adjusting.
In 2 years he’ll be 23. Having him and Liles on the roster wouldn’t hurt.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you’re just a little bit too enamoured of Martin. I don’t think he is nearly the stud he appears to be in the “Defense first, second, third and fourth” system that is NJD.
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maybe. it’s not so much Martin as the type of player — minute-munching 2 way defenseman. we need one of those so badly it’s not even funny. Martin just happens to be the best (possibly) available this offseason.
All right. If not Martin (and presuming a trade might be made for those who are not pending UFAs), whom else do you like in that mold? I’m not saying we’re in great shape and should stand pat, but I’d like your view on who else fits the “type”.
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I’m not really sure why you say the Devils defenders are overrated. For every Lukovich that’s gone on to suck it up elsewhere they’ve had a Rafalski or Neidermeyer who have been great elsewhere.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that they’re overrated per se, but that system has a way of making mediocre defensemen look good (Skoula, Lukovich) and good defensemen look like the Second Coming. I’m just hesitant to point to any given NJD defeseman and say “Look how great he is in NJ! He’d be great anywhere else, including here!”.
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I don't know
Neidermeyer and Rafalski are every bit as good as they appeared in NJ. If they are any worse, I’d attribute that to age more than system.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s just it. I’ll take a “good” stay-at-home guy at this point.
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i don’t want that at all. we need guys that can play both ways well. god knows we have enough one-dimensional guys.
I'm going to stipulate Rafalski and Neidermeyer so that you & Jibbles can breathe again.
That being done, having acknowledged that both of those guys are inherently talented, can we also agree that the NJD system, with its defense-centric oreientation, makes many (NOT ALL) defensemen (cough – and goaltenders – cough) appear to be more than they are?
If not, then allow me to counter – Skoula & Lukovich!
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like, in general? there’s a lot of guys that fit the mold, yet play way differently.
there’s of course the true #1 types — Weber, Doughty, Lidstrom, Chara, Markov, Myers (maybe), Pronger, Kieth etc. These guys have no flaws to their game, basically. Those guys aren’t available unless you draft them, luck into a disgruntled one in trade, or wildly overpay somehow. Don’t think the Avs are getting one anytime soon, though with all of our young guys I suppose a trade could happen if one of those guys wanted a trade.
Then there’s like more 2nd tier guys — Boyle, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf (maybe), Bogosian, Erik Johnson, Mike Green, Rafalski, Gonchar etc. These guys have small holes in their game or are still maturing somehow — i.e. Green is great and controls games mostly, but could be better defensively — but they’re still 25-28 min a night guys that control both the offensive and defensive flow of games and have tremendous upside in some way.
then you’ve got #1 guys that don’t really have tremendous upside, but do everything quite well still. Martin is here, Kim Johnsson (well, he used to be), but there’s really not that many of this sort. The super-Clarks. lower tier #1 guys, but still #1s.
there’s way more of the #2 guys playing #1 roles. These tend to be defensive defensemen playing too much — basically they’ve got some hole in the their game, but do most everything pretty well. Jovo, Sauer in NY, Hannan kinda, Salo, Eric Brewer for a long time, etc.
that’s my take. A guy that could put Hannan into a #2/#3 role, and basically take everyone on the team and put them in roles more befitting them…hard to find. And Martin is the only one I see available that could do that.
Martin just happens to be the best (possibly) available this offseason.
I’m pretty sure that’s how we ended up with Hannan.
by Dan Winkler on Apr 21, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
kind of
he was the best defensive guy. and Hannan has worked out well imo, though he’s in far too big a role. but you’re a hater, right?
Just saying that there’s no planet in any universe that I’m aware of where Hannan’s been worth $4.5/year.
That being said, I think he’s been our best defenseman this season. And still isn’t worth that much dough.
by Dan Winkler on Apr 21, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
The call on Stastny, the one the Sharks scored on, was the right call.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. It’s just sad that they caught THAT highstick and missed so many others against the Avs to date in this series.
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To be fair
They caught it since it was off the opening faceoff, and everyone and their grand-mothers were looking at it.
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and the ref was standing 2 feet away
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
and the ref was also standing 2 feet away when Duchene was literally pushed around and stepped on. But who’s counting?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
yet they miss Thornton hitting andy after the whistle when he had the puck in his glove—-where the ref is susposed to be looking at.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Players always give a quick jab at a goalie's glove
That’s usually what brings on the shoving in front of the net after the whistle.
Those things are rarely called.
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I’ve never seen that called. Playoffs or no.
That’s just hockey and gamesmanship.
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I've seen it called a few times
But only when the person does a few times.
That’s when it enters roughing territory.
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Yeah, but the missed calls we had in the first could have resulted in some good scoring opportunities.
And what is with Stastny and accidentally high-sticking people? Is it just me or does that guy seem to do that pretty often?
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
The power play we scored on was a high stick. You can’t really argue that being a bad call.
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I don’t think anyone has said that penalty wasn’t warranted, just that if you’re going to call high sticks, be consistent. what about the high stick that wasn’t called that led to galiardi getting 14 stitches in game 1?
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
Everybody agrees the reffing in game 1 was terrible.
Different refs
Different night
You guys won that game, let it go.
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okay
same night. duchene is going for a line change and he’s shoved to the ground and stepped on right in front of the ref.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Covered this above.
I wouldn’t have been mad if it’s called.
I wasn’t surprised it wasn’t.
He never got stepped on (maybe kicked a little, completely different, a skate blade is deadly, a toe isn’t)
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That's The Thing
NOBODY is surprised it wasn’t called. We’re friggin’ apalled, and getting sick of it, though.
Sandwich puncher since 4/16/2010
Which is to say it should have been called. That one doesn’t make the list of “let it go, it’s the playoffs.” But we’re no longer surprised when it isn’t called.
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I’m trying to not make this sound insulting.
What is the thing that everybody hates about the Red Wings fans? That they think they’re entitled and cry about every little thing that doesn’t go there way. Like the league is out to get them.
Don’t follow that path. Games 1 and 2 were poorly called. Nobody in Toronto is trying to get the Sharks a win, nobody in Toronto cares about the Sharks.
We’ve got some “bounces” with calls. You’ve got some “bounces” with pucks. Refs are human, just hope they continue to be consistent like they were in games 3 and 4 and may the team that plays the best win.
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actually you know what, I’m feeding the troll. my bad. have fun defending your team, Evilducks, no longer will I feed your trolling.
What are we whining about
We’re frustrated that we’re causing as much damage to our chances of winning as the Avs are.
We’re not complaining about calls on games we won (and we could, that goalie interference call for example). We’re not saying the Avs are playing dirty (despite the hits being nearly equal according to a graphic the Avs announcers put up).
Yelle pulled the same crap Clowe did and yet you keep going on about Clowe and think Yelle was what, justified? I don’t care that Yelle did it, he was doing his job, I expect it, I just call it playoffs. Maybe you haven’t played the Ducks, Stars or Flames lately in the post season. We’ve been on the receiving end, and we’ve built up our team to deal with it. Even then we’re barely even. I wish we were in the east where bottom 4 teams are actually bottom 4 teams.
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We’re not saying the Avs are playing dirty (despite the hits being nearly equal according to a graphic the Avs announcers put up).
What does the number of hits have to do with playing dirty or not? It’s not the number of hits that makes a dirty play, it’s the type of hit.
A couple of hits by Shark players have been very dangerous if not dirty. Name one “dirty” play by an Av this series? The boarding on Galiardi in game three, maybe? I don’t think it was dirty, it was late and received a penalty. Even though I understand why some argue the icing should not have been called, the fact is that icing was called and many people here say it was the “right” call due to the icing.
Stastny gets called for high sticking last night, most fans here are saying it was the right call, but it’s frustrating that Clowe’s high stick on Gali (game 1), Nabby’s high stick on Duchene (game 1), Thorton’s highs stick on Hannan (game 3), Thorton’s high stick on Galiardi (game 3) were not called.
Call it “even” officiating if you want, but it’s clear it isn’t, even if it’s getting better. And just because the Avs won a poorly officiated game doesn’t mean the officials should get a pass by us.
The Sharks were the 8th most penalized team in the NHL during the regular season with 1137 PiM (14.1 per game), the Avs 15th with 1001 (12.5 per game). In the playoffs; the Sharks are 12th at 7.5 PiM per game and the Avs 8th at 11.0 PiM per game. The Avs are pretty close to their regular season numbers, the Sharks…uh yea.
I wish we were in the east where bottom 4 teams are actually bottom 4 teams.
Like Boston leading Buffalo 2 games to 1? Or Philly leading New Jersey 3 to 1? Looks like teams in the East are having just almost as much trouble with the “bottom 4” as the West.
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by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I concur
and Rec’d.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 21, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
The Devils are every bit the playoff chokers the Sharks are, if not worse. Marty won it all 10 years ago so they can say they’re not, but they just don’t win playoff series. I picked Philly to win that series.
I’m surprised at Buffalo, who knew the Bruins could score goals. I’ll take the Senators, Philly or Montreal over the Avs any day. Probably the Bruins too, the Sabers have no offense either.
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IMO
he has not been trolling. While I certainly disagree with some points, he has been pretty level headed, and come with a rational, if disagreeable, argument.
I for one, think some of the whining around here has been a little excessive. GDT can be excepted as its an emotional reaction, but continuing to harp on some things, like bad reffing, when it is clearly improved over the last two games, does come off very red wing-ish
I enjoy having other fans come here and debate matters. Lately there has been no debate because MHH is always right. And of course we are, but in their world so are they, and until it degenerates into personal insults I’m ok with it. We need to at least listen with civility, until someone says something just outrageous.
My 2 cents
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Thanks
I’m really trying to not be a troll.
This is a hell of a series, much tighter than anybody not in SJ or Denver predicted (You guys have confidence, we’re terrified of the playoffs).
I like talking with people on the other side and having friendly debate. I’m not trying to piss people off at all and I’m sorry if I come off that way. It’s not my intent.
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Are you the same Evilducks in the link from yesterday? Here’s a quote from that Evilducks:
I like how Avs fans are proud of buying a team that grew up in Canada. Must be nice to have all the hard work done for you, lets see how their rebuild goes.
Just wanna know before I do something I might regret.
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That’s from Working the Corners I assume?
First, that site is more plagued with Shark Fans trolling each other than fans of other teams, second, the guy I was responding to was trolling. If they want to come to our boards and actively try to insult us then I have no problem cranking up the rhetoric in response.
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Fair enough
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I will admit I’m horribly jealous you guys got a cup in your first year.
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I’m still a little confused on how Avs fans bought the team. Could you please elaborate.
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The owners of the Avs bought a successful Nordique team that was on the cusp (I believe they’re the ones that drafted Sakic, I admit I don’t know all the details, I’m a little newer to hockey than the mid 80’s)
We built ours from scratch… and holy crap were we bad when we came into the league.
It was a mix of anger, trolling and jealousy.
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So we’re somehow second-class fans for having a stinker franchise that got good immediately before moving to our town because the economics of the previous town didn’t support the franchise? Again, how did the FANS buy a team?
You know how Foote, Lindros and Sakic got drafted, right? The Nords sucked and got high draft picks. The same as every other team that has to rebuild. Our franchise rebuild went fan-fucking-tastic. We won two Cups. We’re in our second rebuild now.
And FYI, several members of this board are Avs fans because they started as Nords fans. Myself included.
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Fun fact: Before they were the Nordiques, they were the San Francisco Sharks. The team was sold to Quebec City before the team could play a single game.
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That is a fun fact!
I never knew that!
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No personal defense really
Just what I said above:
“It was a mix of anger, trolling and jealousy.”
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I do try and behave myself if the arena I’m in compels it (like here). I can be quite the troll when I want to be. I was the antagonist of the only guy that has been suspended from the Working the Corners site (though he earned that all on his own, it was very comical)
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You know he’s on twitter
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Really? I’m surprised he hasn’t killed himself. It’s pretty obvious he hates life.
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yeah
He was basically calling me an idiot for being skeptical of the Mueller deal.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Its funny
One of the Sharks fans on our blog lives in Phoenix and has season tickets there. His general advice about potentially trading for Mueller was:
“STAY AWAY! ITS A TRAP!”
He hated that guy. Guess you never know what a little change of scenery will do.
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I for one, think some of the whining around here has been a little excessive. GDT can be excepted as its an emotional reaction, but continuing to harp on some things, like bad reffing, when it is clearly improved over the last two games, does come off very red wing-ish
Concur. Complaining about every dickish move on the Sharks falls in here. Players are going to be dicks, it’s the playoffs. They’re trying to get under the other teams skin. We should all take it with a grain of salt.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
i could care that they’re being dicks. it’s the playoffs. it’s hockey. my problem is that we get called for after the whistle hits, and they don’t. we get called for blatant high sticks, and they don’t. we get called for extracurriculars between the benches, and they don’t. we get called for blatant trips, and they don’t.
the refs have been poor, and it’s gone mostly against the Avs. I do not consider that statement whining.
Agree. Wasn’t pointing it specifically at you. It has certainly been uneven.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
When I see guys act like disrespectful assholes I’m going to be pissed off and I’m not going to apologize about being pissed off.
I don’t know why it being the playoffs makes it ok for guys to completely lose their integrity, but I think its bullshit. I don’t think classless shit like pushing a guy over in front of his bench and then kicking him in the head and stepping on him is ok.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Look. I’ve been on the field. I’ve done dickish stuff all the time. Shit talked. Gave a guy an extra shot. played over the line. I don’t understand how knocking a guy down is somehow losing integrity. It’s hockey.
Their job is to win 4 games before the Avs do. Being a dick and getting under Avs players skin is part of that job description. The irritator has a long, storied, celebrated history in hockey.
I think it’s a bit naïve to say that guys doing that is somehow an assault on the integrity of the game. It’s a storied tradition of the game. As a fan, I get mad at it, but I also take it with a grain of salt.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
cuz it’s easy than copy and paste then sign my name.
I’ll only add, if no one was ever a dick or crossed the line, there would be no need for penalties, or indeed even a rule book.
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Trying to injure someone =/= simply being a dick/ pest/ whatever.
I don’t mind the hard hitting, the pestering, the all out face punching battles- I actually love it.
But this isn’t about that. Some of the shit I’ve seen in these games is out of control. We’re going to have to agree to disagree because I firmly believe that the Duchene incident (as well as many others) was fucking bullshit. If you have to try and hurt someone when they’re in a vulnerable position- not even in play- then you’re a coward. I thought it was stupid, dangerous, and cowardly. If you want to get into Duchenes head rock him with a clean hit when you’re both out there. Or simply step up your game to play better than him.
I also never said it was an “assault on the integrity of the game” I was saying that I don’t think it being the playoffs should give guys as individuals the feeling that they can disregard their personal integrity. Just because a certain team is getting away with all kinds of shit doesn’t make it open season for slewfooting, intentional highsticking, etc.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think it being the playoffs should give guys as individuals the feeling that they can disregard their personal integrity. Just because a certain team is getting away with all kinds of shit doesn’t make it open season for slewfooting, intentional highsticking, etc.
It shouldn’t, but it does. That’s an issue the NHL will have to resolve; until they do the Avs still only have the three options I outlined above.
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I don’t think they were trying to injure duchene, they would have hit him a lot harder. They were trying to rough him up a little.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions
it has been better the last few games, and I’ve said as much. It’s still not been even. I remain tired of the disparity of missed calls. An opposing fan walking in, calling us whiners for being unhappy at a 17 – 8 penalty disparity and trotting out “well it’s all evened out” arguments is flat trolling, no matter how reasonable he tried to sound.
I wouldn’t go do that to fearthefin, I know that.
Agreed.
The biggest frustration for me is that the Sharks don’t need any help. They were arguably the best team in the West in the regular season, and they’re (for the most part) healthy. The Avs have almost no scoring wingers left, and were inconsistent in the regular season. If anybody could use the help from the officials, shouldn’t it be the Avs?
Yet the Sharks are still getting all the calls. They should, in theory, be dominating, but are they? No. That they aren’t despite the atrociously uneven officiating is a testament to the Avs’ resilience, I think.
by ExiledAmongYou on Apr 21, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Not that I feel that last night was completely even, but for the disparity of missed calls – once it became evident that the refs weren’t going to call much, the Sharks took advantage of it. Colorado didn’t. While there were a lot of plays I felt should’ve been called, and San Jose definitely had more than Colorado, in the case of last night, this was because the refs decided to put the the whistles away, not because
the Sharks are still getting all the calls.
While I am typically ok with the refs letting the players play, especially in the playoffs, there were plays last night where I felt that was a mistake. However, while I don’t the penalty on Foote should’ve been called based on the way calls went later in the game, I didn’t get the sense that the officiating last night was
atrociously uneven
by some white guy on Apr 21, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
but for the disparity of missed calls – once it became evident that the refs weren’t going to call much, the Sharks took advantage of it. Colorado didn’t.
exactly. As a fan I am a bit upset that the refs suck, but refs sucking is something I take for granted. Yeah, they’re worse this series. The Avs, since they’re already going to get called, have three options- obviously goon it up, play nice and try to overcome, or take a lesson on how to play playoff hockey.
We’ve all said this playoffs would be a learning experience for this team. I believe they are getting exactly that.
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We’ve been there soo many times.
Every year it’s “We need more grit.” “We need more sand paper.” “We need more heart.”
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FYI, grit + sandpaper+heart = internal bleeding.
And before you ask, yes I’m an expert.
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Only thing worse I’ve seen is when I unfortunately watched a reverse vasectomy on the surgery channel.
I couldn’t walk for days.
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I loled, then puked in my mouth a little.
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The remote was on the TV… I couldn’t stand up to change the channel… it was torture.
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I hope you never happen upon a sex change then
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WHO THE FUCK IS STUMBLING INTO AN OPERATING ROOM DURING A SEX CHANGE? WHERE THE HELL DO YOU LIVE WHERE THIS HAPPENS??
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I was mostly talking about the series as a whole.
I thought the officiating last night was better than the first three games.
by ExiledAmongYou on Apr 21, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
By the way, Andy has now seen 174 shots over 4 games. 43.5 shots PER GAME! He’s stopped all but 9 of those shots (.948 sv %…2.25 GAA). I wonder how those stats would look if the teams didn’t try the run and gun style in game 2.
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That's crazy
However, aside from game 3, I count between 7-10 shots that are “great” save. On the other end, Nabokov is making around the same amount of “great” saves. I know stats matter, but these long, clear, shots just pad the totals.
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and that’s exactly why we won so many games being outshot. yeah, we don’t pull the trigger as much as a lot of teams, but when we do, it’s right in their faces, hard to stop
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
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Speaking of which, I wonder how golf is going for the Flames.
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I understand they are actually trying to get their golf Corsi numbers down. Golf sure is a funny sport.
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by Busted Twigg on Apr 21, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
The altiboobs made a good point during intermission last night: The dominance being displayed by the top two lines of the Sharks is what Avalanche fans can expect to see out of our young core in a few years. Stewie, Jones, SoS, Duchene, Galiardi, Mueller, Yip, Stoa etc. Those guys are gonna be goooooooooooooooooooooooood.
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What the fuck is this positivity?
Who are you and what have you done with Negative Nancy?
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by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m still calling it Sharks in 6, but I’m genuinely surprised by the way the Avs have taken it to them in this series.
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I think this is a 7 game series. I would be very curious to see how the shark fans treat their team if the avs scored the first goal in either game 5 or 7. THey seemed to turn on them pretty quickly before—ie here we go again.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
This is directed toward the Altiboobs, not you,
but I’d rather our boys not display the “dominance” shown by the Sharks’ top line this series:
0G 4A -7 in 4 games? Meh.
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I was just about to say that
I’ll take our guys’ combined 8pts, +3 any day.
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The were specifically talking about the puck control and ability to dictate the pressure in the offensive zone.
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OK, I didn’t hear it. That makes sense (though that’s rarely the case from Los Altiboobes).
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I’ve done half and half – 2 games from Altitude, 2 games from the SJ guys. I like the Altitudes, but the SJ guys have been very good
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Hahn and Remenda are my favorite two announcers in the business. When I lived in SJ they made watching Sharks games pretty enjoyable. Wish they did some national games.
When I buy NBC/VS I’m firing Milbury and McGuire and hiring Roenick and Pang in their places, thus satisfying my short bald guy quota. Then I’m going to do a three announcer duo rotation with Hahn/Remenda, Emerick/Olzeck, and Beninati/Reaugh.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Hmm we disagree
Sometimes they seem unbiased, but they turn into huge homers when San Jose starts losing or playing badly.
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Well they are San Jose’s local team, I would expect them to tailor their broadcast towards that market.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I had no real issue with them. They are pretty good, but they like to insult us too much instead of complimenting their own team. I don’t like hearing that we won on luck.
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Well in game 3 we did.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate Pierre McGuire. When I saw that I’d be getting the Colorado series on CBC and not TSN I was so relieved that I didn’t have to worry about listening to him. On the other hand, I agree that Darren Pang is good. I also really like Ray Ferraro between the benches.
I love Ray Ferraro, that guy is great.
As evidenced by his call when Max Lapierre took out Nichol this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nis1rZQWC8c (I think that’s the right clip)
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(I think that’s the right clip)
why? did you not watch that one either?
hehehe, i’m just playing, but that was toooooo easy
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
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don’t have sound on this computer so I can’t verify Ferraro’s voice.
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Also, that’s hard for me to watch, I love Scott Nichol.
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if the sharks did that, it wouldn’t be a penalty…
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
The Habs didn’t get a penalty on that play.
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so the habs are on the same level as the sharks then
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
but we’re the Sharks, shouldn’t we have gotten the call?
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ok, maybe the habs are on a higher level then you?
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
The Habs are allowed 7 on 4 power plays.
Clearly, Habs >>> Sharks.
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Playing Devil's advocate....
what’s the chance the Avs brass screws this up and trades away some of those guys?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
At some point they may have to. I’m not the the Avs will be able to afford all of them when they reach UFA status.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
The dominance being displayed by the top two lines of the Sharks is what Avalanche fans can expect to see out of our young core in a few years.
So we should expect our top line to all but disappear in the playoffs? We should be happy about that?
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by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
There’s a theory that Marleau is injured. Heatley is clearly injured. Thornton is an assist guy, unless you’re going to tell me they’re winning battles against him lately then I think we’re watching different games.
Thornton has been good this series, his wingers are letting him down.
That said our second line is carrying the team when the top line is shut down. It’s been 4 games, I’m sure all of your players never had 4 game slumps before?
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It’s been 4 games, I’m sure all of your players never had 4 game slumps before?
I’m sorry, did Canary say anything that hasn’t littered FtF and every other Shark community since game 1? I was unaware that the playoff choker label was no longer fair game. You’re completely right. We’ll stop criticizing your team using words from your gentlemanly and robust fanbase that has done everything to earn the team they have.
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Fair enough.
I’m mildly cranky that Joe keeps getting called out despite playing better this post season than I’ve ever seen him play in the post season.
I’d like to wait until we’re eliminated before we close the book on his effort this year. You certainly have the rights to your opinions.
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Fair enough in return. I for one agree that Thorton isn’t the problem on his line. Marleau’s disappearance has Robert Stack worried.

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Marleau is friggin horrible this year.
Which is more infuriating because he use to be our best playoff guy.
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Which is more infuriating because he use to be our best playoff guy.
Marleau career ppg: .727
Marleau postseason ppg: .656
That explains a lot actually.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
nothing new from me — i agree, the Avs played well after the first last night, and really dominated play. it’s almost fitting to have the game end on a fluky bounce like that the other way — though it was a nice shot from Pavelski and Foote was totally out of position.
Not bad for 3 top 6 guys down. You feel like the Avs would have won if any of the 3 was out there.
You know who else was out of position on that play? Anderson. He was pretty effing deep in his crease. In know it was a broken play in front of him, but all of the threats were directly in front of him. He’s at the top of his crease and that puck goes off of him and into the corner.
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Every Avs was out of position. What was the forward crashing into Cummers?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Apr 21, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
That last goal was tough. Anderson was screened by Foote.
As many times as we’ve seen it though, I’m still amazed at how well Andy has been playing. I think many of those Sharks shots that went way wide were because they are trying to get fancy and hit the corners.
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So does anyone besides me think this guy needs to be taken to the wood shed?? i mean come on the horn sounds for the end of the period and he takes a run at our guy and the refs don’t call anything?? What is that about eh?? i’m sick of seeing him jump into scrums and trying to push people around someone needs to drop him like the bad habit he is!!
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He ran at Quincey. It was a good 3-4 seconds after the horn. Bring out Koci for a game or 2…
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Pssh whatever, the Sharks are a classy disciplined team- that’s why they haven’t been getting any penalties DUH.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
tell who is big enough and good enough at fighting to beat him up on this team. maybe Stewie. that’s about it.
Cody Mac could take him and so could Hendricks they both got some size on them!!
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Agree
Stewart’s the only one who could come close.
That said.. we all know these little tricks and hits and stuff are just a part of playoff hockey right? I mean taking that extra little shot, getting under people’s skin, knocking Duchene down in front of the Avs bench…
I think McNab said it best: “Welcome to the playoffs rookie”. The Sharks are teaching the Avs a valuable lesson in what the playoffs are all about. You kind of have to be a douche on the ice in the playoffs to be successful.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
And you admit that?
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by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
We went down in the first series last year to that kind of play. You think Blake is bad, try dealing with Pronger.
We brought in guys specifically to play that kind of game. Because in the playoffs, that’s what wins.
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Because in the playoffs, that’s what wins.
The Red Wings and the Penguins might beg to differ (recent history, anyway).
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I believe Matt Cooke has a ring.
Want me to play some highlight reels of Kronwall?
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How about Claude Lemieux when he was an Av?
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Hmmmmm,
pre-lockout vs. present day.
yeah, that’s an apples to apples comparison.
Leave the strawmen at home. We haven’t any crows to scare off here.
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This is about your assertion that the entire team picked up a nasty play philosophy after getting abused by the Ducks.
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Okay, I’ll accept that the Penguins are probably the cleanest team to win a cup. But if I’d say more teams are rough and tumble than they are pretty on their way to Lord Stanely’s prize.
We have a pretty small sample size post lockout to work with.
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Not exactly a team philosophy with the Pens, though Cooke is a schmuck. And Kronwall hits hard, no question, but he’s clean.
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Kronwall rides the boarder of leaving his feet and headshots. Ask the Preds what they think of Kronwalls clean hits. Or Chicago last year.
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C’mon. Ask anyone who gets steamrolled by a hard hitting d-man what they think of it.
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Ask Jordan Leopold…
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
Maybe if he saw the replay
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
Disagree on Kronwall.
Dude leaves his feet so much he is permanently tracked by air traffic control!
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Maybe someone should hit him and then slam him into the boards as he’s falling. That’s obviously a legal, non-suspendable hit.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Clowe runing (I thought it was Liles)
Was sorta retaliation for Yelle doing the same at the end of the 2nd.
It was also right at the buzzer, not several second later. This is the playoffs, you can’t expect people to just stand around for 5 seconds.
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Galiardi was called for the exact same thing in Game 3 on an icing. It was at the buzzer, but Quincey was running out the clock.
If i were a Sharks fan, I would have been pissed he did that, it could have been called, and could have cost your team the game/series. It was a stupid play.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Icing is different than playing to the buzzer, but I see where you’re going with this.
He just stood there with the puck, he should have at least skated, dumped the puck, something.
Also, they all knew how the reffing was going in that game and Clowe knew he wasn’t going to get called on it.
In all honestly I had turned my back in the final second when I thought it was going to OT so I missed when the exact hit happened.
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lol, and you’re attempting to comment on this without having seen it. this is 100% the same as the icing call, just with a louder audio notification. there’s no excuse. it should have been called. but it’s the freaking sharks, and they’re supposed to win!
oh well. Avs will have to overcome the officials too, clearly.
Our homer announcers said he hit him at the buzzer. That’s what I’m basing this opinion on. It’s shotty, I admit.
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if you’re allowed to argue this only based on homer announcers, i should be allowed to argue the officiating is terrible based solely on Dater’s twitter account. this line of reasoning is as ridiculous as the non-call.
So, Yelle didn’t get called in the 2nd (I did see that one) and Clowe didn’t get called at the end if the 3rd.
All’s fair in love and playoffs?
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I want consistent reffing.
If they are going to let that go they should always let that go so that the players know the boundries. They have been pretty good for the last two games.
Note: consistent doesn’t mean equal numbers of penalties for both teams.
Back to the icing call. That’s different, as the whistle has no bearing on whether or not a penalty should be called. It’s not called because it was a hit after a whistle, it’s called because it’s a hit on icing. Completely different.
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they’ve been better the last couple games. i’d say it’s gone from “is this fucking fixed?” to “well, they could be screwing us harder.”
and so hits after play is suspended are only really illegal after icing? are you serious?
Again, I don’t know the time gap between the hit and the buzzer, but it wasn’t 4 second, I guarantee that much.
The hit after icing is a penalty because it’s a hit on icing. This is done to protect defensemen as forwards were taking the opportunity to run defenders on icing calls. I think it should be no touch icing all together. It has nothing to do with hits occurring after play is suspended, it has to do with hitting the defender on an icing call. completely different. Most of those penalties occur before any whistle is blown, you just can’t play the body on an icing call, that’s the rule.
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there’s is no way a player deserves to be protected more with icing than after the horn. Clowe was deliberately trying to start shit, at a time it was illegal and dangerous due to players relaxing. you couldn’t even say that about Galiardi’s hit — at least there was confusion about whether it was icing, the whistle was late, etc. Clowe knew exactly what he was doing.
Guess Quincey should have flopped like your guys if we wanted the call. Quincey should take lessons from Seto.
“Deserves” doesn’t matter, that’s the rule. It’s a rule because players were taking season ending injuries because forwards were running them on icing plays and they have no defense.
Of course Clowe was trying to start shit, this is an intense series, anything to get into the other guys head. He’s a power forward, that’s his job.
The flop doesn’t matter, you can’t play the body on an icing. There was only confusion about it being icing from Galiardi, that’s his responsibility or his teams to tell him, everybody else on the ice knew it was icing except Galiardi. Blowing the whistle doesn’t matter, you just can not hit the guy on an icing call. Ever. You have to play the puck.
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you are attempting to tell me there’s no rule preventing play after the horn? why doesn’t everyone just keep checking then?
creating this juxtaposition that contact after icing is somehow worse than after the horn is crazy. the refs flat screwed up this call — it was after the horn, and it was deliberate. that’s a penalty.
There are rules preventing play after the horn. It’s still a judgment call by the refs. Should everybody in a scrum receive a penalty after a whistle is blown?
Do you have video of how close to the buzzer this hit was? I basically just have 1 word against another as I have no video evidence. If it was 4 seconds late of course it should be a penalty, probably a game misconduct. if it was slightly (less than 1 second) after the buzzer they call that playing until the buzzer sounds.
The icing is a different rule, why you’re even comparing the two is beyond me. It’s not at all the same thing. It’s not a judgment call. It’s a technical penalty. Like hitting the puck over the glass. If it happens it’s a penalty, end of story. There is nothing for the ref to hedge on.
Video would go along way to ending this debate.
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I can’t find video, but recalling from memory the hit came after the 3-4 second long buzzer. It was very late. People were already standing up to head out for more beer.
I think it was a dick move, but I’m not so sure it warranted a penalty. Nor do I see any correlation to Galiardi’s icing hit. Maybe he didn’t know it was icing (and maybe it should not have been icing) but the linesmen clearly had his arm up and the Sharks players all seemed to know. Galiardi was the only one who didn’t think it was icing. Hit on a player after an icing call is a straightforward penalty. Galiardi is not so guilty of boarding as he was guilty of not being aware of what was going on.
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It was almost identical in timing and force to the Galiardi hit on Setoguchi. I find it unfathomable that you’re arguing this
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think Evilducks is arguing about the timing nor the force of the hit. If I am reading his posts correctly, he is talking about the current NHL rules.
If a player hits after icing, it is a penalty.
If a player hits after a non-icing whistle or buzzer, it’s at the discretion of the referee. It was a dick move but we’ve all seen much worse hits much later after whistles they go unpunished.
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A hit after the end of the period is a penalty too. I understand why they didn’t call it, but it’s a penalty (And I’ve seen it called plenty of times)
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it only after the period is over that these hits should be penalized? When the puck is covered, these kinds of hits occur much later than Clowe’s did and probably 95% are not penalized.
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The officiating has been uneven. But I wouldn’t put the late Clowe hit in the category of “should have been called”.
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why, just because Quincey didn’t roll around on the ice for 30s? other wise it’s pretty similar — after the horn/whistle? or are you claiming just because it’s icing it’s somehow worse?
It’s not worse, no. But the NHL rules clearly state a hit after icing is a penalty. A hit after a whistle is at the discretion of the referee. We may disagree with these rules, but I think the referee made the correct call on these 2 hits based on these rules.
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no, they don't
“Unnecessary or dangerous contact could result in penalties being assessed to the offending player.”
^^ NHL rule book. It’s another judgement call by the official.
Not sure where you got this
But here is the call the ref. made on Gali:
Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26329
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also, we wonder why rules aren’t enforced consistently…they’re not even in the rule book consistently. /sigh
Since the rule went into effect a couple years ago, I’ve never seen a body contact on an icing go uncalled, no matter how much flopping a player does.
This is different to the buzzer in which playing the body up to the buzzer is perfectly legal.
Again, video would go a long way to ending that debate.
As I said, if it’s very near when the buzzer goes, it’s part of play. If it’s much later then it’s a really stupid penalty.
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are you incapable of using google or do you just like ordering us around? find the video yourself.
and stop stating your opinion as fact. or are you an expert? (DIDN’T SEE THAT COMING!!!)
There is definitely some ambiguity here. But refs will always call a boarding minor for a hit after icing. I think this is the correct call by the referee
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I agree with you, but I don’t think that’s the way the rule book is worded. Both hits are equally dangerous and pointless to the play at hand and should be punished as such.
But from what I see in the current rule set: Hit after icing is automatic; hit after whistle/buzzer is discretion. It should probably be changed but under the current rule set I think the ref followed the book.
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you’re now presenting your opinion on these judgement calls as fact? good lord.
I realize these are grey area calls. the frustration on our part comes from the grey area going the way of the sharks the majority of the time. the galiardi hit and the clowe hit were very similar, and yet only the galiardi hit gets penalized. heater gets away with a trip, foote gets called. clowe gets away with a blatent high stick, stastny gets called. it’s seriously ridiculous, and it’s easily shown in the aggregate with the 17 – 8 disparity. that’s nuts.
oh but I’m sure it’s just bounces evening out, right?
This notion about hits after icing not being a judgement call for the ref
was clearly refuted after the last game. You’re wrong. That call on Galiardi was terrible. And if it was a penalty, then so was that junk after the horn.
clowes hit
was a second or so late (screen shot as time expired, clowe about to hit him)

i would have been surprised to see it called though. this is hockey not basketball. get over it.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 21, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
bah
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 21, 2010 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions
how do we tell when the time hit zero? video evidence please…either way, I was watching it and thinking what the fuck is Clowe doing, I think it was Quincey had the puck there for about 5 seconds and everybody knew it was going to overtime. there was just no need for that crap at all
Remember that time when Dan Boyle scored in overtime? And then the Avalanche started cheering because they won the Game!
hey, im saying i agree,
clowe hit him after the buzzer. very soon after the buzzer, but still.
you know what though, i liked it. but i am a sharks fan…
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 22, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
lol, and you’re attempting to comment on this without having seen it.
You’re saying he’s not an expert.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know if it was mentioned above
but, I’m really surprised that Footer didn’t light up Pavelski on that overtime goal. It was a pretty play to get the puck to Pavelski, and I think a younger Foote would have laid him out before letting him get the GWG off.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 21, 2010 10:25 AM MDT reply actions
THE GOAL IS ON FOOTE?!! was it a distinct kicking motion though?
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
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because he watched the replay.
damnit, i feel dirty now
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
Well
When you have both d-men collapsing on the same guy that leaves the trailer open. That’s all that happened on that play.
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They showed the replay again…they called icing on a play that was 150% not icing…we had to keep the 3/4th line out there can’’t remember which one they finally got off for a chance and while this was hapenieng they rushed down the ice and scored…bad break but it happens next game lets make our own breaks!
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Our guys need to take some acting lessons too. If the Sharks are going to master the dive like they have been, it’s time the Avs bump up that part of their game too.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the ref not calling much last night…oh wait ya i do because for 3/4 of this series it’s been missed calls on Sharks players so I don’t give a shit if they call 4 penalties on the Sharks…IF THEY DESERVE THEM….I don’t wanna hear avs fans say it’s ok we both got no penalties last night so its even…no its not they have 20 powerplays to our 9? lol they are STILL getting away with a bunch of bullshit
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Setoguchi deserves a freaking oscar for his amazing acting abilities.
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 21, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
His performance so far is definitely better than Bullock in The Blindside. So, yes I agree. Setoguchi should get the Oscar for Best Actress.
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by Mike @ MHH on Apr 21, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
This made me laugh. And I love Setoguchi as a player (not right now though, fuck him)
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 21, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
(not right now though, fuck him)
Here’s where I’m going to go ahead and pick Bullock over Setoguchi.
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I have to agree with Hopf on this one…
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I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I would just like to say...
I love all the love my boyfriend is getting. I know it’s because he stepped up his game – a LOT – but I always knew he could do it…I always knew he WOULD do it…and I’m just glad everyone’s recognizing it and pointing it out. Yays for my Sweet Baboo. =)
P.S. He looked fucking HOT in that interview last night. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm /hand check
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:37 AM MDT reply actions
Liles
i will say he has finally lived up to his $4.2 mill contract. It’s nice to see. hopefully he keeps that play up!!
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Let the Playoff Beard growth commence!!
Your boy has definitely been rockin all series long. I’m a fan again.
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Arby's sauce! STAT!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Would you like some Shark's fin soup with that????
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 AM MDT reply actions
Maybe throw it up during an intermission
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by Drakenlot on Apr 21, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fraking frak!
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I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Apr 21, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Holy crap, don’t any of you have to work?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 21, 2010 4:30 PM MDT reply actions

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