Contract Details of Recent Avalanche Signees
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 6:00 AM MDT
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I'll be spending a lot of my Mondays in the offseason talking about the salary cap. To kick things off, I thought it might be a good idea to take a look at cap numbers for the deals given to several players towards the end of the season. These are all entry level deals, so there's nothing to exorbitant or surprising capwise, but it's good to have them. All info is according to the good folks at CapGeek.com.
All deals start next season and all are two-way deals. A two-way contract gives a player one salary while he's in the NHL and a different (much smaller) salary in the AHL. All figures given are for the NHL portion of the deal and include any applicable bonuses (which count against the cap).
F Mark Olver. 2 years, $850,000 per year
F Zach Cohen. 2 years, $735,000 per year
D Colby Cohen. 3 years, $875,000 per year.
D Kevin Shattenkirk. 3 years, $1,300,000 per year
Also, forward Harrison Reed, acquired in the Stephane Yelle deal, is entering the final year of his entry level contract. His NHL cap number is $533,000.
Next week, I'll probably look at potential buyout candidates (spoiler alert: that will be a short article) and then we'll move on to the upcoming RFAs and UFAs and the Avs' cap situation in general heading into the start of free agency on July 1st.
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What about
Jonas Holos?? Is he signed to a two way contract I remember some talk about it and about how he wants to at least play in Cleveland to get a better shot at making the AVs….
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Probably this Summer
Holos will likely be signed by the Avs this summer. His European league contract is expired and I think that may have been what the Avs were waiting on. IMHO, Shattenkirk and Holos have the most realistic chance of making the Avs roster.
I’d personally go with Shatty and Gaunce as being the most NHL ready, Holos will need time to adjust to the NA game.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 10:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He didn’t look all that lost in the Olympics. He’d have to make some adjustments to deal with the different rules, but the smaller ice didn’t seem to bother him too much. He played pretty well.
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by Busted Twigg on May 10, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree with this. Gaunce hasn’t looked especially ready to me when I’ve seen him, but Holos seemed quite polished in the Olympics. Obviously I bow to Jori’s wisdom on Gaunce, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see Holos beat everyone to the NHL either.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Holos is in the mix. He may come in and blow everybody away. I’m playing it safe expecting there may be some adjustment to a more physical league.
I was more concerned about Gaunce in regards to his shoulder injury, but it looks as if he’s recovered. I know he isn’t the most fleet of foot, but he’s smart.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d toss Holos in there with Gaunce and Shatty and perhaps even more NHL ready than Gaunce (Gaunce is a penalty machine and he’s not a swift skater but we will see.).
we need to stop this “Shatty” thing before it starts
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
No worse than Cummers
and I love the “They just got Shat on” meme….
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
i agree
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep, I will make sure this becomes a regular chant during Avs games :-D
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Ensign Kirk.
He can be a Lieutenant when he makes the roster.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 10, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
He isn’t signed to an ELC yet. I’m assuming it will happen after the World Hockey Championships.
The Avs also have to make decisions about Peter Delmas, Joel Chouinard, and Kelsey Tessier before June 1st.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 10:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I found a Q&A with Chouinard indicating that he has had discussions with the Avs. I think he and Tessier will get signed, I’m not so sure about Delmas.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Kind of interesting that the forwards were both signed to 2 year deals where the D-men were signed for 3. I guess that reflects the expectation that D-men take longer to develop.
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the forwards are both older, so that’s likely a factor
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Has to do with the age of the player. Players 18 – 21 are required to sign a three-year ELC, ages 22 -23 a two-year ELC and age 24 a one-year ELC.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 10:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I am now educated. Thanks!
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by Busted Twigg on May 10, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I so knew that too
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Shattenkirk
Anyone else surprised by the dollars attached to that deal? Is that normal? Is that what Duchene got? I’m pretty clueless when it comes to rookie deals.
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First round picks will receive more then players drafted in different rounds and typically will receive higher bonuses.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 10:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Looks like one hell of a carrot to get him to work his ass off and make the big team.
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by Busted Twigg on May 10, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Especially
If his minor league pay is probably only like $200k or less
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way less. $65k
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t believe nobody has suggested that the above photo of Reed could easily replace Arnason’s famous blank stare.
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I suggest that the above photo of Reed could easily replace Arnason’s famous blank stare.
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by i2strange97 on May 10, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I submit the above photo of Reed is more like what Rayzor probably looked like at home after a game.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
not quite blank...
there’s something there, it’s just moving suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Looks Like...
Bill
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by ScottishScubaSteve on May 10, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I dunno
Zach’s kinda got that look goin on
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
He’d need to grow his hair to pull it off, he’s just not ‘stoner’ enough for the job of being Ted yet
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by ScottishScubaSteve on May 10, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
true
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 10, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
personally
I like Shattenkirk’s picture the best….can anyone guess why?
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Hormones?
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by Busted Twigg on May 11, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
his or hers?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 11, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
hardy har har. look again.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
The non-unipron jersey?
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Oh, how good it looks, don’t it?
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope, no relation.
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by Angélique C. Murray on May 10, 2010 1:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
they even look kind of similar. I bet they get that a lot
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 10, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
“Has your penalty been killed or have you been injured in a cross check? Call the strongarms of Cohen, Cohen and Shattenkirk and we’ll get you cash NOW!”
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Opinion on Olver?
I was delighted and annoyed when the Avs drafted him, the reason being that I know him and he was on my team in peewee/bantam. One of those, “Hey, I know him! But he’s a dick. So…”
I think he’s a bit small to make the roster, but he’s got enough talent that an injury (knock on wood) could get him to the show.
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by Spudnic on May 10, 2010 7:39 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I talked to some guys that played with/against Donovan (DU Hockey) in Oklahoma and they said the same thing. Said he was kind of a dick. I think there are very few 16-18 year old pro caliber athletes that aren’t a bit arrogant (over confident). At least that’s what I’m hoping because I like both Donovan and Olver (from the outside looking in).
Jori probably has a better read on Olver than I. The only thing I can say is that Olver has to be really special at 160lbs to do anything in the NHL. His production slipped in the CCHA tourney a bit and he kind of faded in the background in closer games. One of the great “tells” for a prospect is how they perform in big games when they aren’t an over-ager. Galiardi had a magnificent playoff run in juniors as did Duchene. O’Reilly played at a point per game clip in the OHL playoffs for a pretty mediocre team too. So, yeah I think Olver might make a good AHL guy but he’s got a lot to prove to make the jump and unfortunately I think that has more to do with his stature than his abilities.
I think there are very few 16-18 year old pro caliber athletes that aren’t a bit arrogant
And two of them ended up on the Avs’ roster…
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
And two of them ended up on the Avs’ roster last season…
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
It takes a very special kid to stay humble in the face of everyone telling them how special they are. I suspect that once they get to the pros, they’ll get pulled aside by one of the leaders in the room and told how it’s going to be in no uncertain terms. Most kids learn quickly and turn into human beings. A few don’t and end up bouncing from team to team and labeled as a locker room cancer.
I’d guess bantams would be about the worst. There is so much size and developmental differences between kids at that age. It’s the most dangerous hockey that I’ve seen. Hits that weren’t dangerous from a skinny 12 year old are horrific from a filled-out 14 year old, especially against a 13 year old who hasn’t yet grown. Hormones also do a wonderful job of turning boys into assholes. In most cases it’s not permanant. Thank god.
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by Busted Twigg on May 11, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
very true
but for both Duchene and O’Reilly, I think they came into the NHL humble and have stayed that way. I don’t think we’ll see them get that attitude. Given both their nature and their upbringing, we’ve got some good, down-to-earth guys there.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely agreed
I was thinking about Olver and the comments about his demeanor. I think he’ll come around when someone like Chris Stewart sits him down and tells him to drop the attitude.
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by Busted Twigg on May 11, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, Stewie needs to drop his first. He got a little bit of an inflated sense of self this season, IMO.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Truth
I was just thinking of someone who is quite large and will be around when Olver gets to town. I would have said Footer because that’s something a captain would do, but he may take the exit ramp.
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by Busted Twigg on May 11, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know that it has to be someone large. I think it has to be a vet tho. Having a kid (or essentially a kid… an >25er) ….tell another kid won’t cut it. Liles would work…hell, look at his past year. That “you can have the biggest salary and still get cut down to size in this league” lesson might do it.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 11, 2010 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, but I’m hoping he remembers the AHL demotion and doesn’t get too cocky.
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AHL demotion is no longer an option now. he becomes waiver eligible next season
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 11, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
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