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Other Update: $1,250,000 (including bonuses) cap hit, no trade clause.

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on the fence. this throws a wrench into any of our blue chip blue liners crackin the roster

Guess I need a new Signature..uh..Go Hawks?

by horbayj on May 25, 2010 2:17 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah, could be. or it could mean one of Liles or Cumiskey is out at the draft, another very possible occurrence.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is what I think will happen. Somebody is going to get moved during the draft.

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by Angélique C. Murray on May 25, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Then it shall be so.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking a guy like Barrie, who may have hit the peak of his value with his defenseman of the year award.

Our No.1 plus Barrie and Stoa for the No. 3 pick overall?
Our No. 1 plus Cumiskey and Barrie for the No. 2 overall?
Our No. 1 plus Galiardi and Duchene for a dozen Sweedish bikini models, the Hope Diamond and a bottle of Lagavulin?

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by Dixomatic on May 25, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are the Swedish bikini models going to be the team’s ice girls?

by c0nquistad0rian on May 25, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

how about a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle?

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by TheRed on May 25, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Sherman may be so bold as to move a prospect, like Barrie – an offensive defensemen that the team has plenty of already, to New Jersey for the negotiating rights to Kovalchuk, similar to what Calgary and Florida did in swapping impeding free agent defensement Jay Bouwmeester and Jordan Leopold or what Tampa Bay did in sending a third round pick to the Penguins for Ryan Malone’s negotiating rights.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 25, 2010 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I kind of doubt we are going to get the 3rd overall away from the Panthers. I’d be on board with trying to get the 4th pick away from Columbus and going after Cam Fowler though.

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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 26, 2010 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh god yes.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on May 26, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does this mean we get to trade Wilson or Cumiskey away? I think it means we need to trade Wilson or Cumiskey.

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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 25, 2010 2:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Not so sure.

I do think it a strong possibility that we will see a Dman or two traded between now and the start of UFA though.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 25, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe Cumiskey, don’t think the Avs will trade the best hitter they’ve had since Blake.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

You mean the kid with two concussions in one season?

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

which lowers his trade value too. I just don’t see Wilson going anywhere. Unless it’s LE, he could start there if someone has a great camp and he doesn’t.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dater updated the post. 1 for $1 million, with incentives.

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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 25, 2010 2:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Good deal, IMO.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s a significant discount unless the incentives are easily reachable and outlandishly priced.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

How do incentives effect the salary cap?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 25, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

the deal will count as the value of the full deal until the incentive can’t be reached anymore, iirc. So if an incentive for 500k was based on 82 games, as soon as the player missed 1 game the cap hit would go down by 500k.

that’s what i remember, at least.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

interesting, kinda incentive against giving them out. I would guess that if they are easily reached the incentives do not go for more than another 500 thou-1 mill.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 25, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

They count against it until such time as it’s impossible for them to be earned.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 25, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

In most years since the lockout (excluding 2008-09, I believe), teams were allowed to go ABOVE the salary cap by the amount of a player’s incentives as a sort of cap cushion. However as has been stated ,if the incentives were not reached, then they are knocked off of the cap hit for that season in a sort of “no harm, no foul” manner.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 25, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

and if they were met I believe they were rolled over and counted against the next years cap.

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by TheRed on May 25, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can’t complain about that. Not one bit. I’m excited to see Footer give it one last go.

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by wtnelson on May 25, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

that’s a damn good deal. this is what incentives were made for, imo.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's a great deal

I was all for Foote returning, and at that price, it’s really hard to argue against. He was still our best defensive defenseman last season, so to bring him back at the price is a no-brainer to me.

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by airforcefoo on May 25, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dater is saying the incentives can at least double the contract. Seems a fair bet the cap hit to start the year will be 2 – 2.5m. Still pretty fair.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Consider it $500K for a player and $500K for a coach on skates. Great deal.

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by Dixomatic on May 25, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Avalanche confirming the signing, fwiw

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 25, 2010 2:22 PM MDT reply actions  

More $$$ for Kovie!

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by Bob in Boulder on May 25, 2010 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Shut up, you.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is the Summer of Kovie going to be anything like the Summer of Sam?

by Mrs @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

More tears, less blood.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about the “Summer of George?”

I’m OK with the signing, especially for that price. I still think we need to part with at least one D-man

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by chiavsfan on May 25, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep. I think “Summer of George” every time I see “Summer of Kovie” talk.

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by Rather Dashing on May 25, 2010 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is exactly the type of deal that I was hoping Footer would get… One more year for him to play [or not, depending on his health/ ability], without spending much money on him and holding ourselves back.

This might mean that he will ride the bench for a bit to let the kids play, while still lending his leadership and experience to the locker room at large.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on May 25, 2010 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah, this is a really nice deal from Foote, huge hometown discount. Mad props to him and Sherman.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Foote’s comments didn’t indicate he had any intention of signing if he wasn’t going to play. I also think it would be an incredibly awkward situation for a captain to be a healthy scratch (see Rod Brind’amour). I expect Foote to play whenever he is healthy.

by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on May 26, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sweet! 4 Shrute Bucks FTW!

Even though I gave him $3 M, but I do really like Footer. Suck it Blue Jackets!

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by smoky201 on May 25, 2010 2:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Love the signing. That’s classy of Foote, and shrute shrewd of Sherman. I also like that we don’t have to default the “C” to anybody just yet. I’d like to see Duchene earn it this next year. Is that too soon??

by Brett Shumway on May 25, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

don’t think so for him.

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stazzer

or Hejduk would be my guesses for new Caps.

by Avalanche318 on May 25, 2010 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dunno if Stazzer has the right personality to be captain. He already gets loads of criticism for his contract. I think SoS is the perfect Robin, Batman… meh?

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by Cotts on May 25, 2010 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Signing Kovi would be worth it just so Stastny doesn’t get that fairly ridiculous criticism.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 26, 2010 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s only fairly? I think it’s patently ridiculous.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2010 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Stastny work out with Gary Roberts over the offseason and try to build up a little more speed. I can just see guys like Jones, Mueller and Duchene spouting, “Hurry up, old man!”

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by Dixomatic on May 26, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve got zero problems with that deal.

by Dario on May 25, 2010 3:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Way to stimulate conversation.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I do believe that’s the shortest post I’ve ever seen from Dario. You sick?

by Mrs @ MHH on May 25, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe his cut/past didn’t work?

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by Mike @ MHH on May 25, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are parts of my past I wish I could cut.

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by TheRed on May 25, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope. Are you saying I’m verbose?

by Dario on May 25, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dario : verbosity :: Beachie : Liles

by thedoctor on May 25, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

that was good!

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 25, 2010 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I took my GRE’s two summers ago. I’m done with analogies.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 25, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m happy! I like Foote. Even when he didn’t seem to contribute too much, the other d-men seemed to play better when he was in the lineup.

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by Sandie Gauthier on May 25, 2010 3:49 PM MDT reply actions  

$1M per year = Great deal.

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by BraxtanFILM on May 25, 2010 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m waiting for SkateBakerWhatever to show up and comment as soon as she hears about the deal… She is not the biggest Foote fan.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on May 25, 2010 4:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I think even she wouldn’t mind that we got him for 1/4th of what we’re paying that guy in LE.

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by Dixomatic on May 25, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m very happy with this deal. I think it was unrealistic for anyone to expect the new young dmen to just jump right in and take over without somebody to lead them. Look how well Cumiskey did (for most of the year) paired with foote.

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by TheRed on May 25, 2010 4:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Sounds like a pretty great deal for the Avs. The incentives must be for games played, right? Maybe half a million extra if he scores a goal this year.

by wickediz on May 25, 2010 5:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe half a million extra if he scores a goal this year.

Nah, that can’t be it, they have to be REASONABLE incentives

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by TheRed on May 25, 2010 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Cotts on May 25, 2010 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t ever have to score another one after the one he got at the end of the first period in game 6.

by creamy on May 26, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

good, cuz he probably won’t- although I sure wish he will. I miss the days when people would say that Foote actually was an underratedly fast skater. And it was true.

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by TheRed on May 26, 2010 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Footer actually took an Olympic Silver

in 1904 speedskating.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 26, 2010 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he would have taken gold if that bastard gold medalist hadn’t been taking that new performance enhancing drug, aspirin.

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by Dixomatic on May 28, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

This just makes me even more excited for June 25-26

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by SportsDalaiLama on May 25, 2010 8:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Perfect deal IMO. And yes, I think Cumiskey will be traded over Liles. No that’s not just because JML is my Sweet Babboo. It’s cuz (1) his contract still makes him the hot potato, (2) down the stretch and in the playoffs he showed he could be the player they wanted him to be and I think they’ll give him the chance to prove he can keep it up and (3) he is still a veteran presence on a very rookie team.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 25, 2010 9:51 PM MDT reply actions  

(4)

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by Avalanche318 on May 25, 2010 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested to see what we could net for Cumiskey

His speed has to be tantalizing. If the Shermanator plays it right he could probably get a team to give us a pretty fruitful return, if a team overvalues him due to that speed. I like Cumiskey, but you look at the Flyers and Hawks, and they have big defenseman. Avs need some more of that.

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by Cotts on May 25, 2010 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Specifically, big, mobile defenseman. Foote and Hannan are big, but fleetness is not their forte. Flyers starting 6: average height over 6’2", average weight at about 206. Hawks: avg height over 6’1", avg weight at about 202. Avs 8 potential starters next year: Foote, Hannan, Quincey, Liles, Wilson, Cumiskey, Shattenkirk, Holos. Average height 6’0" if i round up, average weight right at 200 pounds, and that is bolstered by the lumbering Foote (226 lbs) and Hannan (225 lbs). To be considered serious contenders, it think the Avs are still a ways away. Our current corps is too polarized. Either big and slow, or small and fast. We lack those in between guys. A shutdown number one guy is a nice dream too

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by Cotts on May 25, 2010 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hannan (225 lbs)

Does anyone else see that and thing, “Holy shit, really???” It just doesn’t seem possible. It’s so not hobbitish.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 26, 2010 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Methinks there’s a dwarf in the woodpile somewhere.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 26, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love this deal

Footer giving a big hometown discount, with or without bonuses. He really is a class act. I have absolutely zero issues with this re-signing. Trade Cumiskey for some behemoth on the blue line. Still, looking at the UFA list, I don’t see one standout person to fit the bill.

I don’t wanna hear no more about Souray….a locker room melanoma holdout is not what this team needs.

And of course an LW….

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by Nemesis44UK on May 26, 2010 3:10 AM MDT reply actions  

I don’t believe I’ve seen any love for Souray on this board in a long, long time. I think the only people who are talking about Souray are East Coasters who remember him from a time when he had a career.

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by Dixomatic on May 26, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I honestly wonder if that played a part in the deal.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 26, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

How long do you think it took for him to stop thinking “Holy crap! I’m living with ADAM FOOTE!!!” ?

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by Rather Dashing on May 26, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right until Footer told him to take out the trash or he’d have to go to bed without dessert.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 26, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

And told him and the kids to turn off the video games and go to bed.
I heard that when Foote tells Duchie and the kids to turn off the video games the loudest groan comes from Duchie.
He gets along well with Footer’s kids. I guess since the age difference is, what, four or five years it works out.

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by Luxury Yacht on May 26, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Capgeek.com reporting that the bonuses are worth $250k and that the contract also includes a no trade clause.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 26, 2010 11:40 AM MDT reply actions  

No-trade clause seems interesting. I assume the Avs make the playoffs, but if not, you would think Foote would like one last chance by being shipped off to a contender in exchange for a 4th-round pick to help bolster the farm system of the Avs for when he comes back after his playing days are over as the Avs’ new Director of Player Development in Charge of Housing and Video Game Rationing.

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by Dixomatic on May 26, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Footer’s got 2 Cups. Pretty sure that being home for dinner each night (and to make sure that Dutchy doesn’t miss his bedtime) is of greater import than a 4th rounder.

$1.25M. Yeah. That proves to me that he deserves the C. He could easily double that elsewhere.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 26, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Last Call

to get your Foote jerseys before he retires after this next season.

by Avalanche318 on May 26, 2010 1:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the heads-up, but I don’t want a unipron. Or a smurfiform, for that matter.

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by Rather Dashing on May 26, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

no uniprons

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 26, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about a Nords?

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by Americanario on May 26, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s my Foote jersey. I love it! But I was a Nords fan first. So I have two Nords jerseys.

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by Sandie Gauthier on May 27, 2010 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

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