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Final grades: DEFENSEMEN

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A couple disclaimers before we get rolling with the grades: I was pretty tough on the team. And Dater is a copy cat. 

 

Adam Foote

#52 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-2

Weight: 220

Born: Jul 10, 1971 (38 years old)

Status: Unrestricted Free Agent

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

36

0

5

5

+6

48

-

0

0

0

15

0.0

2nd Half

31

0

4

4

+2

16

-

0

0

0

11

0.0

Total

67

0

9

9

+8

64

19:21

0

0

0

26

0.0

Playoffs

6

0

1

1

-4

10

21:22

0

0

0

6

0.0

The Captain threw down a solid season for the Avalanche. His offensive numbers have taken a dip in his second stint with the club that drafted him back in 1989, but remnants of his legendary defensive game are still there. Footer is a stay at home defenseman that uses his strength to dominate opponents. His style still works, assuming he doesn't have to chase anybody to apply it. Although Foote's overall game and on-ice contributions have declined with his advancing age, he was a great captain for the Avalanche, and the right choice to follow Super Joe. His playoff performance left something to be desired (his missed hip check on Little Joe was the play that broke game 6), but based on his role as captain, his solid (albeit slow) defense, and the guidance he provided for the Young Guns, Foote enjoyed a positive season. I think he'll come back for at least one more season, and I'll welcome him back with open arms (at a lower, more appropriate salary).

Mid Season Grade: B+                                                                                            2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                                B__small__medium

Dustin's TakeI love Foote but I think his time is done. If I were giving him a grade purely based on playing it would be in the low C range. He is too slow to be a very effective defenseman and though he often pinched at opportune times, he never did get a goal. As the captain, I think he did an admirable job. He was nasty and very protective of the young guys. His contributions to leading this team back into the playoffs should not be overlooked. I'd be sad to see him retire but it is probably the right move for him and the team.


Scott Hannan

#22 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-1

Weight: 225

Born: Jan 23, 1979 (31 years old)

Status: One year left on current contract @ 4.5 million per year

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

41

2

8

10

+11

20

-

0

0

0

24

8.3

2nd Half

40

0

6

6

-9

20

-

0

0

0

29

0.0

Total

81

2

14

16

+2

40

21:55

0

0

0

53

3.8

Playoffs

6

0

0

0

+3

4

22:32

0

0

0

3

0.0

I gave Hannan an "A" at the mid season (which he earned), but his play in the second half fell off considerably - and not just his offensive numbers. Take a look at that plus/minus differential. It's ugly. He went a -9 in the last 40 games. Which is still much better than his -22 from last year, but the Avs need and expect more from their 2nd most expensive player. And the Hobitt's partner maintained a positive +/- in the second half, so Quincey can't be blamed for Hannan's decline. I know I'm gonna get crap for Hannan's low grade, so let me say: he's not bad by any stretch, I know he's good. But shouldn't he be better? He isn't a young newbie or an old fart, and he's expensive. He has no excuses. And a "B-" is still above average.

Mid Season Grade: A                                                                                       2010 FINAL GRADE: 

                                                                                                                          Bminus__small__medium

Dustin's Take: I am kind of tough on Hannan because with Foote slowing down he is the best defensive defenseman the Avs have right now. Over the first half of the season he was excellent at shutting down opposing players and he even tossed in some offense. Like Quincey, as the season wore on his offense disappeared and his defense became suspect. Since they were partners I'm not sure if one of them started sucking so the other looked bad trying to cover for him or what. He was solid during the playoffs but part of that atrocious 32 shots against per game should be laid on his doorstep.

 

Kyle Quincey

#27 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-2

Weight: 207

Born: Aug 12, 1985 (24 years old)

Status: Restricted Free Agent, eligible for arbitration

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

41

4

15

19

+5

39

-

1

0

0

73

5.5

2nd Half

38

2

8

10

+4

37

-

0

0

0

66

3.0

Total

79

6

23

29

+9

76

23:36

1

0

0

139

4.3

Playoffs

6

0

0

0

+2

8

22:06

0

0

0

14

0.0

Hannan's defensive partner for the majority of the year was Kyle Quincey. And like Hannan, Quincey faded in the 2nd half. When I look at Hannan and Quincey, they sure look better as a #2 defensive unit than a #1. BMF put up 6 points in his first 5 games, and had two or three similar stretches later in the season, which smacks of inconsistency. I'd say his biggest drop was on the PP. He started out being a main component of the top unit, and by the end of the year he was battling Brett Clark for PP ice time. That's not the direction one should ever travel. Still, KQ is young and has a lot of upside. His scant 2nd half and playoff performances mean the Avs may be able to resign him at a cheaper than previously predicated salary, which could prove to be a huge win in the long run. He finished 2nd on the team in +/-, so that keeps him above Hannan, but he still needs to be more consistent, more badass, and take less lazy penalties.

Mid Season Grade: A-                                                                                         2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                              B__small__medium

Dustin's TakeQuincey was amazing over the first half of the season. I seriously thought he was going for 40+ points in addition to playing great D and dishing out some nasty hits. Then he went cold on offense, then he started playing some terrible defense. I remember the March 1st game against Detroit, he was downright pathetic. On the ice or in the box for all of the Wings' goals. He picked up his play in the playoffs and I think he can be a solid second-pair defensman. I was going to give him a B+ but I saw the 76 pim and recalled that he took quite a few dumb and untimely penalties.


John-Michael Liles

#4 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 5-10

Weight: 185

Born: Nov 25, 1980 (29 years old)

Status: 2 years left on current contract @ 4.2 million per year

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

28

3

11

14

-3

10

-

2

0

0

45

6.7

2nd Half

31

3

14

17

+1

20

-

1

0

2

51

5.9

Total

59

6

25

31

-2

30

18:27

3

0

2

96

6.3

Playoffs

6

1

1

2

-2

4

19:00

1

0

0

14

7.1

Hop on the JML rollercoaster, sponsored by the Wheel of D! Liles endured what had to be one of the toughest season's of his career. He was scratched, benched, and maligned by Sacco for much of the season. Liles played in a career low 59 games. In Sacco's defense, Liles was the only regular defenseman to finish with a negative +/-. To say he turned his play around is kind of odd, because he never was truly awful in my opinion. But, he did ratchet up his play to the next level in the 2nd half (including his +/-), and I think that's all Sacco was really after. Despite all the drama, he still managed .53 points per game (which is just slightly above his career average of .51), and led all defenseman in points for both the regular and post seasons. Liles got better as the season wore on and he was the Avs best defenseman in the playoffs. He was also tied for 2nd in shots in the playoffs behind only Chris GD Stewart.

Mid Season Grade: B-                                                                                        2010 FINAL GRADE: 

                                                                                                                         Aminus_2_medium 

Dustin's Take: Liles did what he was paid to do this season, he was a force on the power play and the leading scorer among defensemen despite playing the least amount games out of the top seven. His defense can be careless at times but I still never understood why Sacco scratched him so much. The way he was able to bounce back after each scratch was impressive though. Clutch play carries a lot of weight with me so it was those two games that he was spectacular in late in the season that bumped his score from a B+ to an A-.

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Ryan Wilson

#44 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-1

Weight: 207

Born: Feb 3, 1987 (23 years old)

Status: One year left on current contract @ $551,667 per year

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

30

2

7

9

+8

15

-

0

0

0

19

10.5

2nd Half

31

1

11

12

+5

21

-

0

0

0

27

3.7

Total

61

3

18

21

+13

36

16:16

0

0

0

46

6.5

Playoffs

4

0

1

1

-1

0

14:39

0

0

0

2

0.0

Another young Avalanche defenseman with a boat load of potential, Ryan Wilson owned a mini break out of a season (and he was supposed to be leftovers in that trade for Leopold). He busted onto the scene dropping players with monster hits like Avs fans haven't seen since......it's been too long.  Wilson was 3rd among all Avalanche blue liners in points and LED THE TEAM in Plus/Minus! Not bad for a rookie. Unfortunately for Wilson and all us fans, he suffered two concussions this season, limiting his action and his ferocity a bit. Hopefully he'll be recharged and ready to lay some fools out come September. It's not really fair, but had he not missed time and been slowed by those injuries, he would have nailed the "A".

Mid Season Grade: B+                                                                                         2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                             Bplus__small__medium

Dustin's Take: Ryan Wilson is pretty damn good. It was nice having a defenseman again who could lay down some bone-rattling hits. Plus, he can score! Seriously, a great rookie season for Wilson and he should become a solid member of the Avs' defense. He seemed to have some trouble coming back from that concussion but let's pray that he comes back next season 100%

 

Kyle Cumiskey

#10 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 5-10

Weight: 187

Born: Dec 02, 1986 (23 years old)

Status: One year left on current contract @ $600,000 per year

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

25

3

4

7

+1

8

-

0

0

0

29

10.3

2nd Half

36

4

9

13

-1

12

-

2

0

1

45

8.9

Total

61

7

13

20

0

20

19:47

2

0

1

74

9.5

Playoffs

6

1

1

2

-7

2

22:37

0

0

0

3

33.3

There's a lot to like about our resident Road Runner. Like Mike Haynes overstated all year, "man it is fun watching him skate, Peter". Cumiskey is in the NHL because of his skating ability. He's been short-changed in previous season's because of injuries, and maybe his slight frame is to blame, but if he can stay healthy, refine his offense decision making, and improve in his own end, he will become a great NHL defenseman. And he appears to be very capable of making those strides. Cummers shared the post season lead in points among D-men with Liles, but he also had the worst playoff +/- on the team by a solid margin. He also averaged more ice time in the playoffs than all other Defenseman. Wow.

Mid Season Grade: B+                                                                                       2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                            B__small__medium

Dustin's TakeI go back and forth on Cumiskey. He is fast and gifted offensively, that OT goal he scored was the prettiest of the season for the Avs (Brett here: said video is featured above), but he often seems completely ineffective when the puck is hemmed in his own zone. Players like Scott Neidermayer have shown how dangerous a fast, smooth-skating defenseman can be. Cumiskey led all Avs defensemen takeaways already and if he gets better at things like that, Cumiskey can become one of the Avs best defensemen. He is still young, so I am really hoping he can pull it all together. Right now, it is frustrating watching flashes of genius from him.


Brett Clark

#5 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-0

Weight: 195

Born: Dec 23, 1976 (33 years old)

Status: Unrestricted Free Agent

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

41

1

12

13

+2

16

-

1

0

0

52

1.9

2nd Half

23

2

5

7

+4

12

-

1

0

1

23

8.7

Total

64

3

17

20

+6

28

19:08

2

0

1

75

4.0

Playoffs

1

0

0

0

0

0

17:55

0

0

0

3

0.0

Oh, Brett Clark, you started the season so well! You passed your previous season's point total in half as many games, you led the league in blocked shots, you didn't suck. Even in the second half, you maintained most of your statistical numbers (finished 2nd in blocked shots), but something seemed wrong. And by the end, you were a healthy scratch more often than not. Despite his passable stats, numbers (excluding Corsi of course) don't always tell the whole story. Don't worry Avs' fans, Clark is an UFA and his $3.5 million dollar days - along with his unipron - are LONG gone.

Mid Season Grade: B                                                                                      2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                        C__small__medium

Dustin's Take: I don't like Clark and I never have. His 20 points this season were decent but I still feel like a goal is going to be scored whenever he is on the ice. Clark is a shot blocking machine but he relies on that way to much. He rarely stands up at his own blue line or challenges the puck carrier. Hands down the worst defensemen that saw major minutes with the Avs.


Ruslan Salei

#24 / Defenseman / Colorado Avalanche

Height: 6-1

Weight: 212

Born: Nov 02, 1974 (35 years old)

Status: Unrestricted Free Agent

GP

G

A

PTS

+/-

PIM

TOI

PPP

SHP

GWG

S

S%  

1st Half

1

0

0

0

-1

0

-

0

0

0

0

0.0

2nd Half

13

1

5

6

0

10

-

0

0

0

22

4.5

Total

14

1

5

6

-1

10

18:46

0

0

0

22

4.5

Playoffs

1

0

0

0

0

0

21:54

0

0

0

0

0.0

I feel bad for Salei. His situation this season was really absolutely horrible. He was injured for the majority of the year, and even when he came back he was the odd man out in terms of rotation, chemistry, style of play, etc., etc.. He never got a chance to get comfortable. He put up 6 points in just 13 games, but he never played very well in his limited action. He and his inflated contract will both be leaving on a jet plane.

Mid Season Grade: INC                                                                                    2010 FINAL GRADE:

                                                                                                                          C__small__medium

 

INCOMPLETES:

Tom Preissing: 4 games played. Status: 1 year left at $2,750,000

Wes O'Neill: 2 games played. Status: RFA

Derek Peltier: 3 games played. Status: RFA

 

SUMMARY:

The Avalanche Defense improved over last season, but mostly because of Andy and the additions of Quincey and Wilson. The returning players didn't make any huge leaps from last year, which is disheartening. Your best players need to be your best players and the Avs have no "best", nor strong consistency along the blueline. We've seen Hannan, Quincey, Liles, Foote, Wilson and Cumiskey all play their games and dominate, but never consistently. If the defense can pull it together individually, there is a fantastic core unit there to work with. And with the upcoming young players in the system, the future for the Avs D is promising (although I wouldn't mind trading in one of the plethora of small puck moving defenseman for a big F-off type D-man).

Dustin's take: Overall, the Avs have a lot of good pieces in Liles, Cumiskey, Quincey, Wilson and Hannan. But the Avs defense is missing a true star to pull them all together like an Ozolinsh or a Blake. Liles is the only game changer they have right now and that is only when he is playing like a mad man. Cumiskey has the talent maybe but not the motivation from what I have seen. Look at the top defenseman from the other Western playoff teams: Dan Boyle, Duncan Keith, Christian Erhoff, Ed Jovanovski (Keith Yandle is also very good), Nick Lidstrom, Drew Doughty and Shea Weber. I am hoping that Shattenkirk is all that scouts have promised and more because a star defenseman could be the key to putting the Avs over the top.

 

RECAP:

  • Foote: B
  • Hannan: B-
  • Quincey: B
  • Liles: A-
  • Wilson: B+
  • Cumiskey: B
  • Clark: C
  • Salei: C
Miscellaneous Team Stats for the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
The Good: 6th in blocks, 4th in take-a-aways, 6th in Goals scored, 8th in +/-
The Bad: 25th in Shots allowed,  23rd in hits,  29th in Face-off %,  21st in PK
The OK: 15th in PP, 17th in GA,

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awesome work, guys!

totally agree with Dustin on Cumiskey. frustrating at times.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 4, 2010 7:42 AM MDT reply actions  

He went a -9 in the last 40 games. Which is still much better than his -22

I thought we all agreed that ± was a junk stat to never be used in any serious evaluation of a player at any times…

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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 7:51 AM MDT reply actions  

I was coming around to plus/minus

Until I saw that Liles was minus on the playoffs. He was the best defenseman out there IMO.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you don’t like Corsi, and like individual Corsi even more, you should hate ± with a fiery rage that rivals the hatred you have for the Winged Wheel.

± is an awful measure of how well a player is playing. Take Quincey and Hannan for example.

Whi is Quincey a + on the season and Hannan a -. First of all, they are the top defensive pair for a playoff team. One would think they should both be a +.

But Hannan is a defensive defenseman, so he’s going to be put out there in more defensive situations. Up by one, face off in their own end. ETC. In those situations, he might be paired with Foote or Wilson or someone instead of Quincey in order to really shut down an opposing team’s forwards.

Conversely, Quincey was the best offensive defenseman all season. Late in games where the Avs are behind, or even late in the period, Quincey’s more likely to be in the zone for an offensive zone face-off, and the avs are more likely to put a guy like Liles or even Mueller out there to try and generate offense.

So what did their ± tell us about their play all season? At best, nothing. At worst the stat was completely misleading.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have been a vocal objector to plus/minus for as long as I’ve known it existed. But as I have recently acknowledged with Corsi, I have noticed there is some merit – albeit very slight – to it when used in the right context. But the stats above and what you’ve just said point out its inherent flaws.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

See I like corsi to a point. Team Corsi is a good stat (as is team ±. In fact team ±, better known as GF/GA is the best indicator of how many points a team earns.) I don’t like Individual Corsi for pretty much the same reason’s above, even though with more shots being fired at net, instead of goals, it tends to even out a bit more.

What gabe did over at Behind the net, where he tried to adjust Corsi for zone starts and Quality of Comp/Qual of teammates was a really good attempt at trying to have a good defensive metric. I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s a lot better than ±.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Saweet!

Although, I woulda flunked Salei’s ass back to the kindergarten of hockey. One quick little thing i noticed is that Ryan Wilson’s assists and points don’t add up right. Other than that saweet! Can’t wait for the forwards and goaltenders report cards!!

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by Cotts on May 4, 2010 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

oops

Fixed. Thanks for the help.

by Brett Shumway on May 4, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Haha, I’d like to flunk Salei back to Russia… Hopefully that’s where the jet plane will be taking him!

by xskatebakerrx on May 4, 2010 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Salei is from Belarus

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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Geopolitics Schmeeopolitics!

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by Hopfenkopf on May 5, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes I know that but the KHL is in Russia. I shouldn’t have written “back” I suppose.

by xskatebakerrx on May 5, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good job, I think you were a bit hard on Hannan and light on Liles. Did anyone ever figure out what happened to Quincey? Did his dog die?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 4, 2010 10:34 AM MDT reply actions  

I think Liles should’ve gotten a B honestly. He played ghastly at times in the reg season.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go B- though cuz he did some extra credit work after school....

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Funny, I thought you had somehow bribed Paul’s Coffee and Dustin to get him the grade he had!

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on May 4, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

in bed

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by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

that was way too easy….

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

TWSS

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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

as was that.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

What? Are you an expert? Have you seen the replay?

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by Americanario on May 4, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

we have many replays at our disposal

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Available online

at xxxbeachiehockey.com! Only $49.95!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on May 4, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn, I was hoping she’d give me a discount…or at least a free preview.

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by Americanario on May 4, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

There’s probably a cheat or a hack.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 5, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Dress up in an Avs uni with number 4 on it.

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by TheRed on May 5, 2010 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or a 26 21 for some vintage old school action

fixed

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nobody wants “vintage action”…

So much hair…

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by Mike @ MHH on May 5, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

apparently it’s the “new thing” now… i think this one puts me in the “get off my lawn” category for sure.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which lawn are we talking about here?

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by TheRed on May 5, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

technically

none as i live in an apartment and…well…yah.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 6, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think this team did well this season primarily for the following reasons:

1. Goaltending.
2. Coaching.
3. Great performances by some of the young guns on offense, and improved speed up front.
4. An improved defense early in the season, that somehow deteriorated later in the year.

Therefore, I think your grades for the Dmen are pretty generous. I think Foote was a steadying influence, so I think a B for him is OK. Quincey was great early, brutal late, overall I’d give him a C. I still think Hannan was our best overall Dman this season, and I’d give him a B+ for the year. Liles would get a B- because he did come on late after a very up and down season. Clark: C-. Salei: Inc. Based on lower expectations, I’d give Wilson and Cumiskey Bs, but both need to do more next season.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2010 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Quincey gets a C+ in my book.

definitely tough to grade these guys as pretty much everyone had a different first half and 2nd half. Wilson was pretty poor down the stretch. Cumiskey was hot and cold, Hannan and Quincey tailed off. Liles was up and down. odd group.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 4, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very tough to grade

due to the deterioration down the stretch. Making things even more weird was the emergence of Liles late in the season and during the playoffs as the guy who was noticeably at least working his ass off on every shift. And Quincey is tough too. His low salary points towards lower expectations. But his play early in the year and top pair placement led to increased expectations, before his wheels fell off.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

We had a great defense?

I guess I would have been WAY more critical and harsh of our defensemen. I guess I consider an “A” defenseman to be a Shea Weber or Drew Doughty, in which case we don’t have anyone near that good.

But if we’re talking about grades relative to each other, I can agree almost the whole way.

On a league-wide comparison, though, I don’t see any of our defenseman getting better than a C because we don’t have a single guy who is good at all three facets of even strength, penalty kill and power play. I’m thinking our guys are pretty average, with some less-than-averages thrown in for the guys who we all know won’t be here next season.

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by Dixomatic on May 4, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions  

I actually agree

And the grades are relative to each other for the most part. It’s all subjective though. I mean, in some cases the grades are based on expectation, some frustration, others surprise. It’s totally unfair and arbitrary.

I wish we had a true “A” defenseman when compared to the league, but we don’t want these report cards to get anybody depressed or grounded for the summer. We want all the Avs studs to be free to go to camp, meet girls, and make happy mistakes.

by Brett Shumway on May 4, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

camp, meet girls, and make happy mistakes.

Pregnancies?

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by Mike @ MHH on May 4, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

He said happy mistakes, not “Oh shit there goes half my pay check”.

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by Americanario on May 4, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

he said pregnancy, not marriage.

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by TheRed on May 4, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

so 75% of his paycheque?

by some white guy on May 4, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

A married man never sees his paycheck…the wife has spent in before he gets it.

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by Americanario on May 4, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahahaha I will never be married. Suckers….

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by TheRed on May 4, 2010 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ask me about the history of the dowry…. no really, ask me.

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by TheRed on May 4, 2010 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

so...

What’s the history of the dowry?

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by jacksonc345 on May 4, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry

Basically, it’s to ensure that the dude doesn’t get sick of the woman’s crap and leave her for a younger woman.

 In reality, that was an era of arranged marriages, and love had nothing to do with it. most couples looked the other way when the SO needed their fix. But marriage as an institution is basically a hold over from when women had to chain the man down or risk being in the streets after age 30.

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by TheRed on May 5, 2010 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

And yes, I realize that’s the short version. Sorry, I gotta go back to work in a minute.

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by TheRed on May 5, 2010 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think these are all excellent grades relative to each other. Trying to grade our guys compared to the other defensemen in the league would be way too huge of a task, especially when we don’t always watch other guys night in and night out.

However, I’d give Foote a C. He gets an A for leadership from me but a solid D for playing. He had a stretch where he was playing ok, but I thought he was horrendous in the beginning of the season and in the playoffs. I think our D is our weakest link and I think we need his spot on the roster to try out some new talent. I’m confident that Stats will be a good captain (so help me god he better get that C) and I think it’s good he had some time to see Foote’s captain style.

by xskatebakerrx on May 4, 2010 8:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the time & work on this but...

The defensemen overall were meh. Talk about rose colored glasses. Watching top notch playoff teams, and their defensemen, is almost shocking in comparison. The ability to clear the defensive zone, outlet passing, staying physical with a forward come hell or high water, walking the blueIine on the power play, etc.. I only hope Sherman has a much more critical eye than these grades. My goodness if this is all one read you’d think we had a decent defense. We don’t. Is this perspective allowed or is showering praise on everyone but Koci, Tucker, and Clark the new politically correct culture here?

by Digit on May 4, 2010 8:39 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah i have the dvd of the 2001 stanley cup finals game 7. i just watched it the other day. now that was a DEFENSE.

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by Cotts on May 4, 2010 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

The likes of Bourque, Blake, and Foote on the same team is likely never to be seen again.

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by TheRed on May 4, 2010 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I completely agree. knock every grade down by a letter, and swap Liles and Hannan, and you’re pretty close to what I think.

I reeeeeaaaaaally don’t get the Liles grade. He finished strong and is so much more useful with a real point shot next to him on the PP, but he’s still overpaid and played like crap for 2/3-3/4 of the season. that’s an A-?

by thedoctor on May 5, 2010 12:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was even surprised by that grade. lol. Like I said, I’d go B for his playoff godliness….and those two plays where he single-handedly stopped the odd-man rushes.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah factoring in playoff performance definitely boosts Liles grade. Especially considering he was probably the only strong D.

by xskatebakerrx on May 5, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice work

I really liked this article. I liked the stats which helped illustrate the grade.

Here’s what I don’t understand though – how come the defence was so poor as a group?

Would the addition of a couple new players (Clark, Salei – buh-bye) help? Or is it more that Sacco needs to change his system? Is there a system?

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by Nemesis44UK on May 6, 2010 2:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Is there a system?

Rhetorical question: one that requires no answer because the answer is obvious and doesn’t need to be stated . The speaker (of the rhetorical question) is not looking for an answer but is making some kind of a point, as in an argument.

This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.

by Cheryl Bradley on May 6, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is it June yet? I can’t wait for this school year to be over with.

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by Americanario on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beachie you scare me
Is it JuneOctober yet

Fixed. Bring on the new season

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by Nemesis44UK on May 7, 2010 2:42 AM MDT reply actions  

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