Be The Schrute
With only 7 forwards, 5 d-men and 1 goaltender currently signed for next season, Mr. Sherman will have a busy off-season ahead of him. Let's take a look at UFAs and RFAs on the roster and determine if they should stay or go.
For the purpose of the review, I will assume the salary cap will stay the same at $56.8 million. I will also assume that Kroenke will ask Dwight to keep the pay roll down again next season. The unit of how well I think the player will fit into the team's roster next year will be measured by a scale between 0 and 5 Schrute Bucks.
Darcy Tucker - UFA. Last year's cap hit: $2.25 M. This selection will probably raise some controversy. I think Tucker will return. As much as most MHH members dislike him, he seems to be a popular fellow among the younger players. He had 24 points last season. His current contract is not a good one for the Avs, but I think the Avs can offer him one that will make both parties happy.
OFFER: 3 year contract @ $1.25 M /year. This saves the Avs $1 M /year and gives Tucker a lengthy contract. He gets 3 Shrute Bucks for likeness to return.
Marek Svatos- UFA. Last year's cap hit: $2.05 M. I don't see any room for Marek anymore. He is overpaid, and his stats look awful. He only had 11 points (about 1/3 of his previous totals) in 54 games and finished the season at a -13. His sniping ability seems to be lost.
OFFER: I don't think an offer will be made. Avs carve $2.05 M off the cap here. I'll give him 1 (one) Shrute buck because he seems like a nice guy and I wish him well.

Chris Stewart - RFA. Last year: $0.85 M. I don't think I need to say anything about Stewie we don't already know. He is coming back. The only question is how much of the cap is he going to take up. Stewart tallied 64 points this season which is incredible considering he was sent down to the minors early in the season.
OFFER: A fair offer to make would be 4 years @ $4.0 M / year. An extra $3.15 M on the cap, but well worth it. He gets 5 Shrute Bucks.





Brandon Yip - RFA, last year's cap hit was $0.75 M. He has 19 points in 34 games, on pace for 49 in the season. He seems like he could be a 40/50 point guy next season. He doesn't have much NHL experience, so I don't think he'll get a big contract yet.
OFFER: 2 years @ $1.5 M / year. He's a great player. I think he needs a little more time to prove he can continue to play well at the NHL level. An extra $0.75 hit on the cap. 4 Shrute Bucks to Yip.




David Koci - UFA, $0.575 M. I'm not going to bother wasting my time on this. He ain't coming back.
OFFER: Nothing. Save $0.575 for another NHL punching bag. No Shrute Bucks for you!
Matt Hendricks - UFA, $0.5 M last year. If there is a just and loving hockey God, Hendricks will return to the Avs. I could see him being a 25 point scorer next season and a tremendous asset on the 4th line. He really seemed to fit the role of a gritty player who can still score.
OFFER: $0.75 M for 1 more year. Add $0.25 M to the cap. The Matt Hendricks smile is worth every penny and 3 Shrute Bucks.



Chris Durno - UFA, $0.5 M last year. Durno did not really impress me much this year. Maybe he needs a little more time in the minors. He played 41 games and tallied 8 points. I would like to keep him in LEM to see if he can step it up a bit.
OFFER: 2 way $0.5 /year for 2 more years. He would probably spend most of the time in the minors, so save around $0.5 on the cap. 2 Shrute Bucks.


Peter Mueller - RFA , Cap Number = $1.7 M. He was very impressive in his brief stint with the Avs. I really hope the Coyotes' fans were wrong about this kid. I also hope he can overcome this latest concussion. I can see him being a 40/50 point scorer next season, and a critical component to our power play if he can stay healthy.
OFFER: $2.5 M / year for 4 years. 4 Shrute Bucks.




Stephane Yelle - UFA, $0.55 M. Another guy I would like to see back. He did not really impress me with his play all that much. Perhaps because I remember the Yelle from 1996. He finished the season with a disappointing 8 points. Perhaps because he spent most of the season with the Hurricanes, but he only got one assist while with the Avs. But I still loved seeing old Yeller back in burgundy. Considering Sherman's strategy of "Bring the Old Crew Back Together", I think he'll return.
OFFER: $0.5 M for 1 more year. 3 Shrute Bucks. He got an extra buck for the Yelle from 1996.



Brett Clark - UFA, $3.5 M. Terrible, terrible contract for Clark. I don't blame Clark, but this contract will probably be the reason for his departure. The Avs may make him an offer, but they will be outbid by some other team looking for a shot blocker. He may fit in well in an Eastern Conference team looking to beef up on D.
OFFER: AVS: $1.5 M / year for 2 years. OTHER: $2.0 M / year for 3 years. Clear $3.5 M off the cap. 1 Shrute Buck.

Ruslan Salei -UFA, $3.025 M cap hit. Did anyone see him in the Olympics? He played very well. Then he returned to the Avs and looked like a slug. Last season he had a tremendous season tallying 23 points. This season he only played 14 games due to injury. I think Wilson has taken his role, so I don't think an offer will even be extended to Salei.
OFFER: Nothing. Clear $3.025 off the cap. 0 Shrute Bucks.
Adam Foote - UFA, $3.0 M hit. I think the Avs want to keep Footer around. Does Footer want to play another year though? I think so. It seems like he really enjoys his new role on the team. He seems a little slow at times, but I am still confident in his defensive play.
OFFER: $3 M for one more year. 4 Shrute Bucks (would be 5, but wanted to factor in the possibility of retirement).




Kyle Quincey - RFA $0.525 M cap hit. After seeing him play at the beginning of the season, his finish was disappointing. His stats looked really good though as he finished the season with 29 points. Throughout most of the season, his ice time was among the highest in the league.
OFFER: $2.75 M / year for 3 years. 4 Shrute Bucks. It'd be 5, but I deducted one for his Red Wing Roots. Not his fault, but my hatred for the evil winged wheel knows no boundaries.




Peter Budaj - UFA, $1.25 M cap hit. I am a supporter of Budaj. I think he is a fantastic goalie that never had the chance to develop. If he stays with the Avs, he will never get a shot at #1. This will be the sole reason he looks for opportunities else where. Money will not be a factor as much as opportunity to play more than a few games. He seemed to be a tremendous teammate for the team. I will be sad to see him go :(
OFFER: AVS: $0.75 M for 1 year as backup. OTHER: Opportunity to play more than a few games. Since Shrute Bucks represent a role in the club next year, I can only give Budaj 1. I wish it could have been 5.

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i like everything you said with the exception of brett clark..hit the bricks brett no offer at all
Really like your post and agree with most of it. I really hope we can keep Stewie for less than $4M per though, and Foote for less than $3M. And wouldn’t give Darcy 3 yrs.
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"I am a business major in college after all." - Joe Medina on MHR, evidently explaining his rationale for being a know-it-all condescending prick about all things Bronco related.
I looked at Stewie’s salary for a bit. With his numbers, I think 4 is the minimum for a 60/70 point guy on the top line. Maybe they can cook the books and give him a longer contract for a lower cap hit, but I think 4 /year is fair for a player of his caliber and age.
Footer may take ~2.5, but I gave him a raise for taking on the captain responsibility so well from Super Joe. I was also really happy when he jumped on Ballard in Florida for running over Andy.
I gave Tucker 3 years because I think he’s got about 3 years left. I have made my share of Tucker jokes around here, but I really don’t think he’s that bad. His contract sucks, but I hope it can get fixed this summer. If he was only making $1 M, I don’t think he would be as disliked as he is.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
My worry with Stewie is two-fold
One: It was only one year of production.
Two: He tailed off late in the year and looked somewhat gassed often times.
I guess I wouldn’t give Quincey that large a raise either. He was just too bloody horrible at times late in the season to put that much money into.
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"I am a business major in college after all." - Joe Medina on MHR, evidently explaining his rationale for being a know-it-all condescending prick about all things Bronco related.
by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I was also thinking Sherman will be more likely to sign players this year since (I believe) Stan wants another low salary year. Sherman knows he can get a “home-town” discount with many of these guys (Yelle, Durno, Henricks…)
I know it’s taking a big risk on Stewie. He did trail off at the end, but I think a lot of the team did. I thought it was young players in a long NHL season. They also did not have much pressure from other teams for the final spot. Like I said I’m pegging him for 70 pts next season which may not be realistic. What sort of contract would you offer him?
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
Good question. Since he’s still quite a few years away from being a UFA, I might try a 3-yr, $3M per deal to give us more time to evaluate his long-term future while also rewarding him for his progress. I think that would be fair. But hell, maybe I would be too frugal to be a good GM?
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"I am a business major in college after all." - Joe Medina on MHR, evidently explaining his rationale for being a know-it-all condescending prick about all things Bronco related.
by Bob in Boulder on May 4, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I with Bob here. I think a reasonable number for Stewie would be more like 3-3.5. Make it a 3 year contract, then you can offer an extension if he deserves it. (TWSS). I wouldn’t give Quincey more than 1.5 given how his play deteriorated and the fact that he isn’t making much now. he still has a lot to prove imo. Budaj won’t take a pay cut imo, and I think he’s fine as a backup with his current salary, he just needs to play in a few actual games to earn it.
Love the Schrute Bucks thing
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wow. Guess I’m really with bob as we postulate about the same exact thing. I still hate the Beatles though. :)
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
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I still hate the Beatles though. :)
Oh dear lord…
Quite possibly, the only worse thing you could have written would have been “…but I really love the Doors!”
"We left (the combine) saying, 'Boy, that's pretty unique, what he has and his passion for this game and for winning.' He's been a winner, and you could see why." Josh McDaniels on Tim Tebow.
by Dan Winkler on May 4, 2010 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I like the Doors…Alabama Song = memories of exceedingly fun drunken college days.
This is our team: underrated, filled with amazingly talented kids and veteran leaders, both young and old, who are buying into the vision of a hard working, fast moving, never-say-die game. They are the 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2010 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
What if I like both?
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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
What if I hate both?
"Sometimes you think they must have come out of the chimp cages at the Bronx zoo" - Gerry Cheevers, former Boston Bruins goalie, on New York hockey fans
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Then you're both half right
"We left (the combine) saying, 'Boy, that's pretty unique, what he has and his passion for this game and for winning.' He's been a winner, and you could see why." Josh McDaniels on Tim Tebow.
by Dan Winkler on May 4, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Bullshit, I’m an expert.
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I can vouch for him. He’s seen the replays.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Budaj
$1.25 M is expensive for a backup goalie. Especially under the Joe Sacco “Ride the goalie till he’s dead” system. My guess is that they’ll try to save some salary here to make up for the raises to other players. I was thinking they’ll offer Budaj something under $1M. Budaj won’t care about the money, he just wants a shot at a #1 position. Some other team (Dallas?) will make him a ~1.25 offer and a chance. Avs will sign a backup for $0.5 M.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
And then he’d completely dominate the Avs 6 times a season, the Muppets over at Dater’s blog would respond with the “Why’d we let him go???” cries and Dater himself would accuse of the organization of being cheap and not spending the cash on him, just like Theo.
Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, never happen.
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You have quite the imagination sir!

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Stewart
We all forget this, it was his first full season in the league… maybe hit a bit of a wall from playing so many games.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Stewie Comparables?
I have a feeling that Stewart’s agent is going to use Dustin Penner’s offer sheet and Corry Perry’s contract extension as comparables.
At the time of his contract offer, Perry was coming off seasons in which he played 56, 82, and 70 games and a season in which he scored 29G, 245, 54P in 70 games. His contract extension was 5 years at $5.325 million cap hit.
In Penner’s case, he was coming off of a rookie year (though, he played 19 games the previous year) in which he played 82 games, scoring 29G, 16A, 45P. His offer sheet was for 5 years at a $4.25 million cap hit.
Chris Stewart followed up a 53 game rookie season with a 28G, 36A, 64P season in 77 games played.
I think that his contract offer will fall somewhere between Penner’s and Perry’s and certainly not less than the $4million per year suggested. I think that Sherman is anticipating this and it was probably an underlying factor as to why he chose to deal Wolski at the deadline. Since, as some have noted, he’ll likely be looking for a nice pay raise as an RFA himself.
by c0nquistad0rian on May 4, 2010 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Counter point
the Penner and Perry offer sheet were offered by Kevin Lowe, so it has no basis in reality.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 4, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
The Penner offer sheet was offered by Kevin Lowe. Corey Perry was re-signed by then Ducks GM Brian Burke.
by c0nquistad0rian on May 5, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought Lowe made an offer to Perry and Burke matched, maybe I’m thinking of someone else.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Thomas Vanek. And when Darcy Regier matched, Lowe then made the offer to Penner. Perry’s contract was constructed by Brian Burke.
by c0nquistad0rian on May 6, 2010 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Rec'd (in my mind) for the awesome use of Schrutebucks
Can’t find the rec button for the post, but I’ll keep looking.
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by Dan Winkler on May 4, 2010 5:39 PM MDT reply actions
Stew will be landing in the 4-5m range. A solid comparrison is Loui Ericksson @ 4.25.
Tucker – please NO. There’s plenty of more effective guys that are younger, more effective, and cheaper. Or even “Veteran Leaders” – that do tucker’s job better and cheaper.
Budaj – ugh. He aint bad – but Sacco had a lot of love for wieman back in Lake Erie – so I could see him coming in as a cheap back-up that sacco would trust a bit more than he did budaj.
Foote – I think he just needs to call it quits. We cant start bringing up our defenseman of the future when we’ve got 7 d-men lined up for next year.
by IncredibleEdibleYETI on May 4, 2010 9:11 PM MDT reply actions
We agree on Stewie. Others may disagree, but I really cannot see the Avs signing him for less than 4.
You gotta point on Weiman. Weiman is also a RFA this summer. By signing him for $0.5 M and assigning him to Colorado, Sacco gets the backup he wants, and Sherman gets to decrease payroll by $0.75 M. It’ll be sad to see the guy go.
I really think Footer has another year or two left. In the playoffs, I started to see the Foote we knew in the past.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
I too am getting an inkling that tucker may return. i doubt he gets more than just a year if he does though.
I sure hope Mueller is more than a 40-50 point guy. He showed flashes of being able to put up 60 at least.
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RFA
The one thing that you didn’t take into consideration is that some of our RFA’s are not available for arbitration so I say sign them to their max % increase qualifying offer this gives the AVs a full year to make sure non of the boys had a fluky season and also saves them some cap room for another year. JMO
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 5, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
Here are our RFAs and UFAs and my opinions on Keep, Release or Two way contract
RFA’s
F Peter Mueller – Qualifying offer
F Kevin Porter – Qualifying offer
F Chris Stewart – Qualifying offer
F T.J. Hensick – two way contract
F Codey Burki – two way contract
D Wes O’Neill – two way contract
F Brandon Yip – Qualifying offer
D Raymond Macias – two way contract
D Kyle Quincey -Qualifying offer/new deal
D Derek Peltier – two way contract
UFAs
D Brett Clark – release
D Ruslan Salei- release
D Adam Foote – 1yr contract
F Darcy Tucker – 1yr contract if resonable
F Marek Svatos – release
G Peter Budaj – paycut or release
F Brian Willsie – two way contract
F David Koci – release
F Philippe Dupuis – two way contract
F Stephane Yelle - 1yr deal
F Darren Haydar – two way contract
D Brian Fahey – two way contract
F Matt Hendricks – 2yr deal
D Brett Skinner – two way contract
G John Grahame - two way contract
F Chris Durno – two way contract
G Tyler Weiman – two way contract
F Marty Sertich – two way contract
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Let the Playoff Beard growth commence!!
LEM fan post...
Newbie to Avs fan-dom since they brought AHL COL to Cleveland. My comments on follow BryceLeo’s comments…
Here are our RFAs and UFAs and my opinions on Keep, Release or Two way contract
RFA’s
F Peter Mueller – Qualifying offer (Keep – $2.0-$2.5M)
F Kevin Porter – Qualifying offer (Keep – QO/two way)
F Chris Stewart – Qualifying offer (Keep – $3M-ish)
F T.J. Hensick – two way contract (Keep – QO/two way. Who knows? Maybe someone will step in with an Offer Sheet?! Is he trade bait?)
F Codey Burki – two way contract (Release – MF’ed the organization for how he was treated. When given opportunities here, could not put up numbers or show enough effort. Will probably do well elsewhere)
D Wes O’Neill – two way contract (Keep – QO/two way. Showed big improvements last year)
F Brandon Yip – Qualifying offer (Keep – QO/two way. NHL $1.25-$1.5M)
D Raymond Macias – two way contract (Keep – QO/two way. See O’Neill)
D Kyle Quincey Qualifying offer/new deal (Keep – $1.75$2M)
D Derek Peltier – two way contract (Keep – QO/two way. Will likely be back with LEM though)
UFAs
D Brett Clark – release (Release)
D Ruslan Salei- release (Release)
D Adam Foote – 1yr contract (Keep – $2.0-$2.5M)
F Darcy Tucker – 1yr contract if resonable (Release)
F Marek Svatos – release (Release)
G Peter Budaj – paycut or release (Release, It’s him or Weims. Weims has been loyal and makes less)
F Brian Willsie – two way contract (Keep. Good Captain. Will he reach 400 games & his NHL pension?)
F David Koci – release (Release)
F Philippe Dupuis – two way contract (Keep – Love to have him back. Probably on a two way)
F Stephane Yelle - 1yr deal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOHq5WbQ8k)
F Darren Haydar – two way contract (Keep – Would LOVE to have him but likely, Euro bound)
D Brian Fahey – two way contract (Keep – Nice AHL’er)
F Matt Hendricks – 2yr deal (Keep – Would take him in a second. Earned his job in Denver.)
D Brett Skinner – two way contract (Release. Tough to say but log jam at D.)
G John Grahame - two way contract (RELEASE. PLEASE GOD, RELEASE!)
F Chris Durno – two way contract (Keep. Nice AHL vet if nothing else.)
G Tyler Weiman – two way contract (Keep. Him or Boods. Shrute decides.)
F Marty Sertich – two way contract (Would keep but already Swiss bound. Thanks for the signed stick and good luck next year Marty. Have a nice offseason with Rebecca. Congrats on the June wedding!)
Welcome!
Thanks for the insight/input, especially on many of the guys that we only see bits of in training camp or “cups of coffee”.
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Tucker
Nice write up.
I don’t think Tucker should stay because he’s good with the young guys. Lappy should have stayed because he was good for the young guys and great on the PK (and a fan favorite).
Tucker no longer has the skill set or wheels for top six minutes. His defense is poor enough that he doesn’t mesh in to a good 3rd or 4th line role if he isn’t drawing penalties. He did a much better job in the second half of the year at being a pest. But too often in the year and a half preceding that he did nothing but take penalties instead of drawing them.
Tucker is now in the Svatos no-mans land. He’s way too small and poor on D to play an effective role on the 3rd/4th lines. He’s lost a step to the point he’s not a good option for the 1st or 2nd lines. The result is, that if they resign Tucker he will do a lot of health scratch time next year. I also question any player who significantly improves his game in a contract year. Tucker had nothing in 2008, I mean nothing. I think he had zero fights and coasted on Arnason’s looping ice ruts for his salary in ’08.
So, if you want to discount his free salary in ‘08 that’s fine but I’m STILL pissed off about that year. So I guess for those of you that think he should stay I have one simple question, “What line would you put him on?”
Duke-Stats-Stewart
Meuller-Duchene-Jones
Yip-O’Reilly-Gally
McLeod-?-Hendrix
Then you got Porter, Stoa, Mercier as options plus a kid like Olver could take training camp by storm.
By the way, if that line up does come to fruition that’s probably the best 3rd line in the West and maybe only second to the Jordan Stall line in the entire NHL.
Tucker had nothing in 2008, I mean nothing
Exactly. And Dater’s excuses for him (while I’m sympathetic) don’t fly with me. I just have one name to say and all of that emotional turmoil = bad play bullshit goes out the window: Jose Theodore.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Jones
At the risk of losing my newsletter subscription, I think I have lost my faith in Jones. I love his speed, size and talent but it seems every time someone touches him he’s out for at least 20 games. I’m predicting a 20 game 15 pt season for Jones.
Gally-Stats-Stewart
Meuller-Duchene-Duke
Yip-O’Reilly-Hendricks
McLeod-Yelle-Tucker
I’d bump the Duke down to the Meuller/Dutchy line. Those 3 worked great together. It was tough to break apart the 3rd, but TJ played real well with SoS and Stewie on the top line.
Put Tucker on the 4th line.
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He had 3 fights his first year here
Although one was against Patrice Brisebois, so that shouldn’t really count, and he lost the other two (according to Hockey Fights).
I’m not sure if he has 3 months left in the tank, much less 3 years, but still…
I’d put him on the 4th line, scratch him 35% of the time, pay him no more than $1.25 million. He is versatile (not saying he’s great, but you can put him on the power play and on the 2nd line, if you have to, unlike Yelle). He is a leader, and I’m not so sure that just because you’re a veteran that you’re a leader (don’t remember reading too many stories praising Yelle or even Lappy, for that matter, about their leadership. Not ripping them at all, just saying that guys actively praise Tucker. Wonder if part of it is the fact that Yelle and Lappy are French Canadian, and the younger guys aren’t and maybe they can relate more to Tucker, I don’t know just talking out loud).
That is a really young forward group out there, and I’m not sure Duke and Stats are really charismatic leaders, so I just wonder who steps forward when the forwards need a push, that’s all.
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by Dan Winkler on May 5, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d personally rather the Avs invest in a top line winger who can double as a leader. Trade for a guy like Sharp. But, like I said, I’m not opposed to Tucker being back for a 4th line role, but I don’t think it’s the best option.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I have yet to read a compelling argument to keep Tucker. There are plenty of options on the FA market for guys who can get us at least 10 goals a year and still be more of a pain in the ass to opposing teams. And I know for a fact that we can find a better skater out there who will stay on his feet.
Matt Hendricks is the new Tucker. We don’t need the old one anymore.
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I don’t think anyone is arguing we should, but I wouldn’t be as upset if the re-signed him as I would have at the beginning of the season.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think he should be re-signed, but I have a feeling that the organization loves him and because of that he will be back. Hopefully if he is, he stays on one of the bottom two lines, or his a healthy scratch (again doubt that will happen).
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I think a lot of the dislike of Tucker stems from his really terrible contract. If he was making 1/2 of what he makes now, would you be as hard on him?
Hendricks and Tucker have separate roles. I see Hendricks as agitator who will get the occasional goal. I would like to see 25 points out of Matt next season. I think Tucker will be more effective as a leader on/off the ice who can get the occasional goal on the 4th line. I would like him to be less of an agitator and take more shots on goal. That’s the role he had at the beginning of this season and he played much better. I would like to see 30 points out of Tucker next season. Since he occasionally fills in on the PP, I don’t think this is unrealistic.
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OK, but WHY was Tucker on the second powerplay unit? 1). Injuries. 2). Lack of PP defensemen.
Going in to next season and the years beyond the Avs should move to a pure 3 forward PP unit and certainly will have two defensemen on the second unit like they did this year for the D after the penalty expires.
Which of the top six in front of Tucker are going to miss the PP time? Stastny, Duke, Duchene, Stewart, Yip and Jones are all better options and you’d have to make a pretty convincing argument to me that he’s better than Gally or O’Reilly there as well. Even Porter was a better PP threat than Tucks. You’ve got Shatty, Cohen, Cumiskey and Quincey wanting to take some PP shifts as well. The season after maybe Elliott and Barrie are up with the big club. At that point a two year Tucker contract makes no sense in the PP sense of things.
Tucker as a fourth line guy? Well, I guess that depends on what you want from your 4th. I want 100% effort bangers (insert “The Office” line here) to forecheck and bring the energy and perhaps kick it around in the offensive corners for a while and produce the occasional chance. A good 4th line can set up puck possession for a fresh 1st line and give an energy boost to the bench. A bad fourth line is one that dumps the puck and makes your valuable 1st line chase on D for possession. Tucker, to me fits none of that. He’s good for taking a run at a guy but he’s not strong on the puck in the corners. He’s notorious for giveaways using his favorite drop pass technique and there’s huge stretches of the season that he coasts. Like Svatos you could try to make the arguement that he’s not moving his feet because he’s just preserving his defensive positioning at his spot. This sometimes happens as a winger. However, he would have to play quality defense to begin with to convince me. He like Svatos, waits for others to create for him. He doesn’t create chances. If you want a guy who will take a run at someone on the forecheck and dump the puck in from the neutral zone for his line change then that’s your guy. Maybe his lockeroom presence is invaluable but I’m not in there and can’t vouch for it. His play on the ice has many better options out there.
Leaving out Mueller as a PP guy is a huge oversight on my part. Obviously his inclusion leaves even less room for Tucker on the second unit.
As usual,
Dario is the voice of reason.
My antipathy toward Tucker notwithstanding, nobody has been able to field what I deem a cogent argument for keeping him.
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Financially, he makes sense.
I think if Tucker stopped trying to be a pest/agitator, he would fit much better with the team. I am envisioning the Tucker we saw the the beginning of this season at nearly half the price. Stick him on the 4th line where Cody will be designated as the pest and I think Tucker will fit quite nicely. If Tucker will lose that agitator role he’s trying to play, I think we’d see that he’s not that bad.
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I think if Tucker stopped trying to be a pest/agitator, he would fit much better with the team.
Yes, well, thing is, that agitator/pest has, to a very great degree, been the definition of his career. It’s what he was in Toronto (and a pretty good one for a stretch). Maybe he can redefine his role/career, but at 35 and knowing his deficiencies in skating, puck possession and heart (unless, of course, he’s in a contract year, etc.), I’m in no way interested in paying him to see if he can be successful in that redefinition.
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Why not Marleau he’s a free agent this summer??
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I wouldn’t mind that. Not one bit, even if he’s on the wrong side of 30.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 5, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice write-up.
I wonder how the intangibles are going to stack up here. I had wanted them to get rid of Tucker and keep Yeller on for veteran leadership, but I am unsure that Yelle made enough of a splash with the younger guys. I know that he still has a house here, and lives here in the offseason. I am sure they will offer him a contract, even if it is a small one, and he will take it so he can wind down his career here.
Now, with Tucker… The only real reason that it makes sense to re-sign him would be with the knowledge that he is and will be a constant 4th liner, a pest, a mentor for the young guys, and sometimes a scratch. If he would be willing to take that role and a decreased salary in exchange for finishing his career with a great, young team bound for serious Stanley Cup contention before the end of his career, then I would re-sign him. I just want to be sure he has a seriuosly decreased role. Under no circumstances do I want to see him on Duchenes left in the future.
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FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk, LW, New Jersey Age: 27
Patrick Marleau, LW, San Jose Age: 30
Tomas Plekanec, C, Montreal Age: 27
Alexander Frolov, LW, Los Angeles Age: 28
Matthew Lombardi, C, Phoenix Age: 28
Ray Whitney, LW, Carolina Age: 38
Alexei Ponikarovsky, LW, Pittsburgh Age: 30
Maxim Afinogenov, RW, Atlanta Age: 30
Todd Bertuzzi, RW, Detroit Age: 35
Olli Jokinen, C, N.Y. Rangers Age: 31
Lee Stempniak, RW, Phoenix Age: 27
Brendan Morrison, C, Washington Age: 34
Bill Guerin, RW, Pittsburgh Age: 39
Tomas Holmstrom, RW, Detroit Age: 37
Saku Koivu, C, Anaheim Age: 35
Pavol Demitra, C, Vancouver Age: 35
Alex Tanguay, LW, Tampa Bay Age: 30
Colby Armstrong, RW, Atlanta Age: 27
Matt Cullen, C, Ottawa Age: 33
Eric Belanger, C, Washington Age: 32
Matt Cooke, LW, Pittsburgh Age: 31
Raffi Torres, LW, Buffalo Age: 28
Dominic Moore, C, Montreal Age: 29
Mike Comrie, LW, Edmonton Age: 29
Owen Nolan, RW, Minnesota Age: 38
John Madden, C, Chicago Age: 36
Kyle Wellwood, C, Vancouver Age: 27
Fredrik Modin, LW, Los Angeles Age: 35
Rob Niedermayer, C, New Jersey Age: 35
Christopher Higgins, LW, Calgary Age: 27
Jim Slater, C, Atlanta Age: 27
Adam Burish, RW, Chicago Age: 27
Taylor Pyatt, LW, Phoenix Age: 28
Eric Nystrom, LW, Calgary Age: 27
Glen Metropolit, C, Montreal Age: 36
Ruslan Fedotenko, LW, Pittsburgh Age: 31
Jason Williams, RW, Detroit Age: 29
Jeff Halpern, C, Los Angeles Age: 34
Scott Nichol, C, San Jose Age: 35
Arron Asham, RW, Philadelphia Age: 32
Richard Park, RW, N.Y. Islanders Age: 34
Adam Mair, C, Buffalo Age: 31
Steve Begin, C, Boston Age: 32
Jed Ortmeyer, LW, San Jose Age: 31
Jamal Mayers, C, Calgary Age: 35
Andrew Ebbett, C, Minnesota Age: 27
Matt Ellis, LW, Buffalo Age: 28
Evgeny Artyukhin, LW, Atlanta Age: 27
Marek Svatos, RW, Colorado Age: 28
Brad Winchester, LW, St. Louis Age: 29
Matt Hendricks, LW, Colorado Age: 29
Ryan Johnson, C, Vancouver Age: 34
Tim Jackman, RW, N.Y. Islanders Age: 28
Jon Sim, LW, N.Y. Islanders Age: 32
Jamie Lundmark, C, Toronto Age: 29
Fernando Pisani, RW, Edmonton Age: 33
Wayne Primeau, C, Toronto Age: 34
Stephane Veilleux, LW, Tampa Bay Age: 28
Chris Durno, LW, Colorado Age: 29
Petr Sykora, RW, Minnesota Age: 33
Rickard Wallin, C, Toronto Age: 30
ENFORCERS
Shawn Thornton, RW, Boston Age: 32
Zenon Konopka, C, Tampa Bay Age: 29
Jody Shelley, LW, N.Y. Rangers Age: 34
Krys Barch, RW, Dallas Age: 30
Eric Boulton, LW, Atlanta Age: 33
Derek Boogaard, LW, Minnesota Age: 28
John Scott, D, Minnesota Age: 27
Wade Belak, RW, Nashville Age: 33
Raitis Ivanans, LW, Los Angeles Age: 31
David Koci, LW, Colorado Age: 28
DEFENCEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit Age: 40
Sergei Gonchar, D, Pittsburgh Age: 36
Paul Martin, D, New Jersey Age: 29
Dan Hamhuis, D, Nashville Age: 27
Anton Volchenkov, D, Ottawa Age: 28
Zbynek Michalek, D, Phoenix Age: 27
Dennis Seidenberg, D, Boston Age: 28
Pavel Kubina, D, Atlanta Age: 33
Henrik Tallinder, D, Buffalo Age: 31
Toni Lydman, D, Buffalo Age: 32
Joe Corvo, D, Washington Age: 33
Kim Johnsson, D, Chicago Age: 34
Derek Morris, D, Phoenix Age: 31
Willie Mitchell, D, Vancouver Age: 33
Jordan Leopold, D, Pittsburgh Age: 29
Carlo Colaiacovo, D, St. Louis Age: 27
Shaone Morrisonn, D, Washington Age: 27
Kurtis Foster, D, Tampa Bay Age: 28
Adrian Aucoin, D, Phoenix Age: 36
Andy Sutton, D, Ottawa Age: 35
Mike Mottau, D, New Jersey Age: 32
Brett Clark, D, Colorado Age: 33
Randy Jones, D, Los Angeles Age: 28
Mark Eaton, D, Pittsburgh Age: 33
Milan Jurcina, D, Washington Age: 27
Sean O’Donnell, D, Los Angeles Age: 38
Jay McKee, D, Pittsburgh Age: 32
Andreas Lilja, D, Detroit Age: 34
Mike Weaver, D, St. Louis Age: 32
Francis Bouillon, D, Nashville Age: 34
Brian Pothier, D, Carolina Age: 33
Ruslan Salei, D, Colorado Age: 35
Marc-Andre Bergeron, D, Montreal Age: 29
Brett Lebda, D, Detroit Age: 28
Freddy Meyer, D, N.Y. Islanders Age: 29
Martin Skoula, D, New Jersey Age: 30
Niclas Wallin, D, San Jose Age: 35
Nick Boynton, D, Chicago Age: 31
Garnet Exelby, D, Toronto Age: 28
Sheldon Brookbank, D, Anaheim Age: 29
Christoph Schubert, D, Atlanta Age: 28
Paul Mara, D, Montreal Age: 30
Shane Hnidy, D, Minnesota Age: 34
David Hale, D, Tampa Bay Age: 29
Lukas Krajicek, D, Philadelphia Age: 27
Jason Strudwick, D, Edmonton Age: 34
Nathan Paetsch, D, Columbus Age: 27
Mike Van Ryn, D, Toronto Age: 31
GOALTENDERS
Evgeni Nabokov, G, San Jose Age: 34
Marty Turco, G, Dallas Age: 34
Chris Mason, G, St. Louis Age: 34
Dan Ellis, G, Nashville Age: 30
Jose Theodore, G, Washington Age: 33
Antero Niittymaki, G, Tampa Bay Age: 30
Martin Biron, G, N.Y. Islanders Age: 32
Ray Emery, G, Philadelphia Age: 27
Peter Budaj, G, Colorado Age: 27
Michael Leighton, G, Philadelphia Age: 29
Johan Hedberg, G, Atlanta Age: 37
Alex Auld, G, N.Y. Rangers Age: 29
Patrick Lalime, G, Buffalo Age: 35
Vesa Toskala, G, Calgary Age: 33
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I think we can scratch Bertuzzi and Holmstrom off the list for starters.
Marleau is a very interesting idea. I would be really concerned with his contract getting in the way of re-signing our rookies though. I still think Stan will want to keep payroll down. He’s trying to buy the STL Rams so spending an extra $5+ M on a team that he still thinks is rebuilding is unlikely.
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I'd take any of these guys
Sharpe
Plecanec
Marleau
Stempniak
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Ahem…Svatos should be in the enforcers category.
by c0nquistad0rian on May 11, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a feeling we will be discussing that list quite a bit in the coming months.
I’d try to steal Paul Martin out of NJ. He’s solid across the board. Sets up the offensive D coming up if Foote/Hannan move in the next couple of years. He’s the unsexy best UFA D on the board if you ask me.
As far as the big tickets, I think Marleau would compliment Duchene’s speed perfectly. That would be scary.
I believe that if the avs offered Tucker a multi year contract and he retired it doesn’t come off the books. He’s on year to year until he does retire. and I do think that the team will re-sign him.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 5, 2010 1:41 PM MDT reply actions
honestly, i will be very surprised if they don’t.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 5, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Sadly
I’m gonna have to agree with Beachie on this one.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
With all the discussion regarding Tucker over the various posts, I’m kind of curious, can someone set up a couple of poll questions – one asking if you think Tucker should be resigned, another if you think Tucker will be resigned? the opinions on the two seem to be somewhat different, I’m curious what the difference between the two is.
What is a Schrute?
Never heard of him.
Tucker will always have a very small part in my cold, dark heart for his antics in Toronto. Often he was physically outmatched in his fights but the guy had heart. I haven’t seen any evidence of that since he joined the Avs. Don’t know why.
Sign him for one year, 1.5 mil and take it from there. If he doesn’t want it, let him go. Budaj should be offered another year. He is like insurance – you may not want to pay the money, but if the worst happens, you’ll be glad you did.
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Dwight Schrute is a character from the American version of The Office. On MHH, the Av’s GM Sherman is often compared to Dwight for several reasons:
1. Dwight’s official position on the TV program is “Assistant to the regional manager”. He omits the “to the” portion of the title and is often corrected in a regular occurring gag on the show. This is a play on how tight Lacroix runs the organization. It is often believed Lacroix still pulls the strings, and Sherman is really an assistant.
2. Both Schrute and Sherman are from Scranton, PA.
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Actually, I’m pretty sure Sherman’s title used to be Assistant to the General Manager.
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by Rather Dashing on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah it was
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by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Ahh,
Like Mackenzie Crook’s character Gareth in the original Office. Many thanks for clearing that up :)
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Only a 40/50 point season for Mueller...
I think that is being very conservative…also as much as it pains me to say idk what the chance is that we keep our team completely intact…emphasis on Hendricks here…I hope they keep him but I wouldn’t be shocked if they went out and got a 1st line winger moved Gali to 3rd and Hendricks would be gone…should be a interesting offseason.
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I don’t think there is a way to replicate the success of this past season with the same group of players. The defense has GOT to improve or they have to score even more goals. My thinking is this:
2010-2011: Get a top 6 guy via trade, preferably at LW and shop for a moderately priced defense-first D-man. Evaluate Shatty, etc. on the blue line and gauge the maturation of Stewart, Jones, Gali, etc.
2011-2012: Get the best-fit defenseman on the market, re-sign Andy, tweak forward line with depth if necessary, and see if that isn’t a viable Cup contending team.
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Yep. Avs need a solid D in free agency. The healthy scratch roulette with Quincey, Liles, Wilson, Salei and Clark was a glaring weakness in the team (orwiththecoaching*duck*). They need a reliable defensive d-man. Shatty, Gaunce and Cohen might not be ready for NHL duty next year. It was really dissapointing to see Wilson regress in to the playoff stretch.
I don’t think there is a way to replicate the success of this past season with the same group of players.
Agree with both of you. The Avs need some upgrades to the top-2 lines and a defenseman or 2. I’m not sure just assuming Shattenkirk, Cohen, or Gaunce are going to be ready straight out of college is going to be the answer.
With Quincey, Hannan, Liles, Wilson and Cumiskey all under contract though the Avs are going to have a tough time if they do want those three rooks to get any playing time.
And I’m not thrilled with a defensive lineup that would have Shattenkirk (probably the most likely to be NHL ready) Cumiskey AND Liles in it. And it’s not like Quincey and Hannan are exactly big physical beasts as well.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I totally agree about Kirk, Cumiskey and Liles being less than ideal, but the Penguins pull off a similar lineup with Gonchar, Letang and Goligoski. Granted, they have Orpik and Eaton, who are both better straight up D-men than we can claim.
Tyler Myers was a freak of nature this year. I don’t think it’s even reasonable to assume any of our young D-men can replicate that kind of performance, and even Myers has a long way to go. I think putting too much youth on the back end will make the Avs take a step back, at least for a season.
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The Pens have Crosby, Malkin, Staal etc to cover for them. And Gonchar is a lot better defensively than he getscredit for. And Oprik and Eaton are both a little stronger than Hannan and Wilson.
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by Jibblescribbits on May 6, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm going on record...
…As saying there’s no way Peter Mueller signs any contract over two years in length.
He showed what he can be made of after his trade to the Avs, but there’s some interests which may prevent a lengthier contract from being signed:
- Still question marks for the Avs management considering his career in Phoenix. What if he quits on us too?
- If Mueller’s agent is worth anything, he doesn’t want a long contract to be signed until there’s enough consistency shown to get a long-term, big $$$ contract signed with a team.
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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 6, 2010 9:32 AM MDT reply actions
I think the Avs have a little more leverage than that because his arbitration salary wouldn’t be very favorable. That agent is going to have to work with the team unless he wants to hold out.
Is Ferris arbitration eligible?
No indication of such on NHLscap.com, which is my primary data source, but do you have better info?
I’m thinking a good qualifying offer gives everybody time to see what’s what.
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Yeah, he might be too young for arbitration. I just threw that out there. If he’s not eligible for arbitration then his only recourse is holding out. Drury did that once with PL ….. once.
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Yes, PL took a very hard line with hold outs. Even if it took a few years for some of them to shake out. I wonder if, now that he has said he’s plugged back in, this will continue? Having said that, it just seems to me that guys like CGS and Ferris don’t have too much leverage because:
1. Their career success is limited to small sample sizes.
2. They are so young.
and of course in Ferris’ case there are long-term injury concerns.
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by Bob in Boulder on May 7, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Ask Marek Svatos how that approach worked out for him, or the Baron for that matter.
Given the Svatos, Drury, Wolski trifecta, I’m thinking PL is more convinced than ever that it’s “his way or the highway”.
Let’s hope that the Young Guns take note. PL isn’t terribly unfair to players generally. Granted, he’s not Toronto / Edmonton stupid, but…
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as does Lappy
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 12, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
If one subscribes to the Pierre as puppetmaster worldview, you guys are absolutely correct.
If Frankie Giguere was something other than a Pinnochio clone, however, your arguments are kind of moot, no?
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He was totally a puppet clone, a cluppet by another name.
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Oh and cluppet is better??? pffft
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