Embrace Nonsense: Dream Roster

At some point he’ll be fertilizer, so at least he has some upside in his future.

Just like Kolesnik, Aebby, and Budaj. The franchise is 0-4 in “heirs” since Roy hung ’em up.

I’m having a hard time getting your point. Could you maybe expand on your central thesis a little more?

I have a Sauve jersey and he was my first pick in fantasy hockey. Be nice. He was a fantastic goalie.

Per Ledin?

Can’t Buy Me Kovie…. oh wait, you can! Thanks, cap room!

 Phrases like ‘I hate to break it to you’ set your tone as an antagonistic or sarcastic argument. Your post is clearly arguing that Liles as a top all-time Av by selecting and presenting the stats you chose.

I see you are arguing this topic below with the doc so I won’t add anymore but don’t pretend you aren’t stirring the pot.

seriously Beachie, I have no idea how to interact with you. How did you want me to respond to a post disagreeing with me based on some stats? Should I just agree with you no matter what the content of your post? Is mild sarcasm really that abhorrent to you?

Please, lose the persecution complex. There’s no attack here. I really don’t want to do this. Can we not just have a conversation about hockey like adults?

I mean, if you’re just looking at offensive output, sure. I think all 3 of the guys you mentioned above are better defenders. None have size concerns limiting them. It really comes down to that for me — we’re talking about defenders. Liles is a defensive liability, as much as he’s improved the last couple years. The only guy even close to his lack of defensive ability on the list is Ozo, and Ozo was worlds better offensively that Liles (just look at the PPG differential).

De Vries was an effective 2nd pairing guy. Some offensive upside, good defender. Not perfect, but didn’t have gaping holes in his defensive game and 2 seasons containing 60 game lapses like the guy we’re comparing him to, either. Morris was similar, without some physicality and with some better offensive ability. But still a much better defender with only slightly less offensive ability. Both were solid 2nd pairing guys, something I’d be hard pressed to say of Liles. He’s spent most of his time on 3rd pairings lately.

Look, I understand taking Liles over Quincey, Morris or De Vries. I thought most of us agreed Quincey was better this year (including Sacco), but that’s fine, they’re close. Morris and De Vries too. Opinion is what it is. I’ll concede those 3 as my opinion. That’s still Bourque, Blake, Foote, Ozolinsh, Lefebvre, Gusarov, Krupp, Hannan, Ozo, and Miller ahead of Liles. That’s a lot of dudes.

I’m stunned you’d take Liles over the remainder of that list, especially Hannan. Hannan was a super-critical lynchpin on this D this year, it seemed really obvious to me he was more valuable to a D than the guy scratched for 25% of the season.

Lefebvre, Gooser, and Miller all handily come in front of Liles. Talent wise, Morris as well (his stay in Denver was strange though.) The rest of the guys can be argued as better than Liles but it isn’t readily clear.

With Blake, Bourque, and Ozo already on the team I would Liles O is less important as well.

No, but he is the GM.

David Jones is the Satan to Jimmy Howard’s Jesus.

So basically Jones is awesome while Howard is a pansy who just has more followers

slight alteration…

Kovmeisters? cuz I like the meister (it’s got the burgermeister thing going on) but it seems to cutesy with the “ie” on there

I like Koviacs and Koviadans. The latter has a nice “bring him to Colorado” tie in. Very well done.

My father works for the Feds, and has firefox downloaded at work.

That’s right, a 60-year old, semi-computer illiterate Federal Government employee has access to non-IE web browsers. As far as I’m concerned any company that doesn’t is working in the stone age now.

Damn I’ve missed you princess…