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Perusing the various mock drafts, I noticed that most every one had the Avalanche drafting a different player in the first round (the pick is number 17 though some have the Avs picking 19 due to the date of the mock draft) so I thought it would be interesting to compare the potential picks. So without further ado...

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The Hockey Writers have the Avs picking up Dylan McIlrath in the first round. McIlrath played 118 games with Moose Jaw in the WHL, racking up 8 goals, 20 assists and an impressive 271 penalty minutes. At 18 he is already very big at 6'4'' and 212 pounds. Scouts state the obvious in that he is scary and tough to play against but also discuss his untapped potential on the offensive side of the game. Personally, that doesn't matter much to me as the Avs have a ton of dmen with offensive upside but no huge, shutdown defensemen like McIlrath. I think there is a solid chance of the Avs picking him up if he is still available. The only problem is that plenty of mock drafts have McIIrath going to Anaheim a pick before Colorado's. If he is still available the Avs need to snatch him up without a second thought.

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In what they call "another steal for Colorado" the Western Conference Scouts have Colorado taking John McFarland in the first round. McFarland was drafted first overall into the OHL and has racked up 41 goals and 102 points in 122 games with Sudbury. McFarland is described as high skill and high speed but with a bit of an edge to his game, similar to Brenden Morrow. The Avs have a lack of depth at left wing right now so McFarland could be a solid pick up depending on who is still left when the Avs step up to the podium.

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The Eastern Conference Scouts have the Avs taking Austin Watson in the first round. He has put up 30 goals and 83 points in 115 games with Windsor and Peterborough in the OHL. Watson is big at 6'3" and had a reputation as a penalty kill specialist. A big, defensively responsible left wing certainly wouldn't be bad for the Avalanche but I can't help but think that there will be other players still available who would be better choices.

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Brad Holland has the Avs taking Vladimir Tarasenko in the first round. The Russian has scored 20 goals and 34 points in 80 games playing with the big boys in the KHL on Novosibirsk. Scouts say he is an all around offensive talent being both a sniper and an excellent passer. Just like most teams the Avs could use another goal scorer but Tarasenko seems like a needless risk since he could always just keep playing in the KHL. If the Avs go after a forward, a player like McFarland seems like a better choice.

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Mike Morreale had the Avs taking Jonathon Merill in the first round. Merrill has played 46 games in the USHL, tallying 3 goals and 12 points. He is big a 6'3" and supposedly a decent passer, physical and has a hard left-handed shot. He sounds like a solid pick if McIlrath isn't available but he is also likely the farthest away of any from being NHL ready. Plus, his favorite team is the Detroit Red Wings...

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Adam Kimelman has the Avs drafting Jeff Skinner in the first round of this draft. In just 127 games with Kitchener in the OHL, Skinner put up 77 goals and 141 points and impressively scored 20 goals in 20 playoff games. The main knock against him is his size at 5'10" but he makes up for it playing hard and having a sick shot. I typically preach against getting smaller but if the Avs decide not to make a run at Kovalchuk then they could use a sniper like Skinner.

Personally, like most of you, I like McIlrath the best out of these prospects and both Skinner and McFarland appeal to me, as well. However, in the unlikely event that U.S. goaltender Jack Campbell is still available then the Avs should take him over anyone, even McIlrath, because the goaltending depth on the Avs is sorely lacking. So, who do you want the Avs to pick?

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Who should the Avs take first in the 2010 draft?
Dylan McIlrath - D
111 votes
John McFarland - LW
37 votes
Austin Watson - LW
12 votes
Vladimir Tarasenko - RW
23 votes
Jonathon Merrill - D
4 votes
Jeff Skinner - C
34 votes
Other
13 votes

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 10, 2010 6:32 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I voted for McIlrath out of that bunch, he may not be the BPA (best player available) at #17, but he fills a gap in our organization, and we NEED a blueliner of his ilk. I’ve seen mock drafts where they have us picking Jason Tinordi at 17, another big kid on the blueline.

by niwotsblessing on Jun 10, 2010 7:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Jarred Tinordi. Clone of his dad.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am VERY pro Mcllrath, but willing to hear arguments for anyone. Also someone to look at for our defensive dman, Kevin Gravel…

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/2010/5/17/1474055/2010-nhl-draft-prospect-kevin

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 8:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Or Stephen Johns…

http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/2010/5/11/1467014/2010-nhl-draft-prospect-stephen

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

It took a moment, but I see what you did there. Cute.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

well played

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 10, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by UZ on Jun 10, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like the idea of Johns, if he’s there in the 2nd. The Avs do have a lot of recent history taking players from the USNTDP.

by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 11, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Johns is a stud, and he’d be an excellent pick late in the 1st. He’s big, physical, mobile and has offensive ability. Very mean player too.

Gravel, I’m not so high on. He’s probably going to slip to the mid 2nd round or later, so no need to consider him with our 1st.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

When I read the description of McIlrath, I get visions of Wade Belak. While he would certainly be an upgrade over Koci, I don’t think that’s what you want with a 1st round pick.

Anyway, I hope I’m wrong and he really is a potential shutdown, 1st pair defenseman.

by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 11, 2010 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven’t heard much about this years draft. Maybe because it’s not as deep as last years, or maybe because the Avs weren’t bottom dwellers this year. Mcllrath does sound like something the Avs need though.

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by chiavsfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:23 AM MDT reply actions  

This draft is deeper than last year’s. Much deeper, actually.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

SI’s mock draft has us taking one Jarred Tinordi. Don’t know much about him.

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/01/2010-nhl-mock-draft/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Mark Tinordi’s son. Mark played for the old Minnesota North Stars. Tough, rugged player, dropped his gloves with whoever he wanted. His son is supposed to take after his dad in the physicality department, but allegedly has more offensive potenential. I’d be happy to see the Avs’ take him.

by ljp78 on Jun 10, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

We got spoiled last year.

Last year we saw not one but two players join the big team in their draft year. It just doesn’t happen very often. It speaks to the quality of the players, and to how miserable the Avs were down the middle in ‘08-’09. I certainly don’t see that happening this year because the Avs are not in the lottery, and the holes in the team aren’t nearly so large.

My bet is the Avs play the “best player available” game in the 17th spot. Drafting for immediate need (scoring LW and big D) won’t have any payoff this year or probably next. Very few D-men jump to the big league in their draft year and the real elite snipers will be gone by 17. I’d rather see the Avs draft the best player, regardless of position, and work trades and free agency to fill the immediate holes. The wealth of an organization is measured by the quality of the prospects in the system. It’s the team’s bank account. Drafting a lesser prospect to fill a need doesn’t make sense.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 9:07 AM MDT reply actions  

my fear is that the BPA guy will be Pysyk. ANOTHER offensive defenseman. There comes a point where you need to be aware of your own system. I’m not necessarily advocating drafting for need, that’s just as bad, but continually drafting offensive defensemen is going to result in a lack of talent on the Avs just the same.

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, we seem to be pretty heavy on the “puck movers” and not enough in the “stay at home” category

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by chiavsfan on Jun 10, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

What does the market value most? It seems that puck movers are in high demand right now and the Avs have a surplus. Bonanza! Trade a few to fill the holes. Re-balance. That’s why we have Billington on the staff. Find out who is loaded with wings, or who has a few big lug D-men and swap some prospects.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

that sounds great, but teams fall in love with their own prospects and demand overpayment in return for them. heck, we do as fans too. I think it’s harder to pull off in practice if you’re the team initiating these trades.

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

True. I think it’s also a matter of trying to assess the value of, for example, an 18-year-old D-man. Is he a “Duncan Keith” or a “Brett Clark”? Their measurables are about the same (about 6-0, 195), but they’re definitely not the same player. You have to give the kid time to develop. No one wants to give up too soon.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, good point. the stakes for failure grow after you make that pick. No one blames the Avs for trading random picks, but everyone gets all pissy about trading Regehr.

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great example. I’d really like to have a do-over on that one.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s a perfect opportunity to make the draft trade. You know, trade down to 22 with Phoenix and take Montoya as payment.

by Dario on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or trade up. I think all of us would enjoy Nino playing in a unipron.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Montoya wouldn’t be a bad get to help restock the cupboards.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 11, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know if VS covers anything more then the 1st round?

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 11:06 AM MDT reply actions  

NHL Network usually covers the subsequent rounds.

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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 11, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to see the avs taking Skinner or McFarland! One of these guys is just what the club needs! Of course, I wouldn’t mind McIlrath either, but I think we’re overstuck on D

by erik5150 on Jun 10, 2010 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Mcllrath is rumored to be the “shut down” defenseman the we desperately need. What I like about the kid is that he’s mean. He has that edge that only Cody Mac has (Hendricks too). I want that “Don’t touch my puck” type defender.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course he could be the next Wes O’neil….

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

the reports on his skating being super awesome would seem to preclude that, but I really don’t know. literally all video I find is of him is of him fighting.

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

And almost every fight comes after a clean hit on one of his teammates. I like that he defends his guys, but I question his judgement. My impression is formed from a small sample, so I hope I’m wrong.

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by Busted Twigg on Jun 10, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or David Liffiton

by Dario on Jun 10, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Liffiton netted us Matthew Barnaby and Denis Parshin!

Oh, wait….

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I like McIlrath a lot, and I would love it if the avs drafted him. But we need scoring lw…look at skinner! I like this kid(dispite his size)!

by erik5150 on Jun 10, 2010 11:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Isn’t the buzz on Skinner raising his draft status? I thought I read somewhere about him going in the top 5.

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Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe it’s his numbers, which are great btw, but top 5?! I think that is a bit out of line, but there’s no doubt about this kids potential!

by erik5150 on Jun 10, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard he’s more of a 10-15 kind of guy, but if he falls I’d be happy about that pick too. Etem too. Not a huge fan of first round goalies, but I could live with Campbell. Won’t be happy if we go with another defensive minded forward or offensive defenseman, basically.

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Skinner was the best pure sniper in the OHL this year (yes, his shot is much better than Hall’s and Seguin’s) and he was an absolute MONSTER in the playoffs for Kitchener. Someone’s going to take him somewhere around the top 10, and I can see why they’d even look at him at the tail end of the top 5.

The five best players in the Draft are:
1. Tyler Seguin
2. Taylor Hall
3. Jack Campbell
4. Cam Fowler
5. Jeff Skinner

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 10, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could get Super Nintendo Hjalmarsson too?

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like him too. It’s hard to say if he’ll slip though. Some sites have him in the top 10 and others have him out of the top 30. There’s also a very good chance that he’ll grow an inch or two as well.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've been pretty vocal

on here about me wanting us to go with a forward, but I certainly like McIlrath a lot. He’s the kind of defensemen I could really get behind us drafting. This is a very deep draft, so that will hopefully allow us to fill a lot of needs. I have to say though, assuming for the sake of argument, all of those guys listed plus Tinordi and Etem were available, I’d take Jeff Skinner in a heartbeat. He’s a special kind of player. I’ve heard interviews with his coaches who compare his work ethic to Mike Richards, and E.J McGuire said he has the best hands of anyone in the draft. That’s the kind of guy you put on Matty’s wing and watch him rack up 45 goals a year.

If he’s gone, I really do like “The Undertaker” McIlrath, Etem, and Watson.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 10, 2010 12:02 PM MDT reply actions  

what do you think about Tinordi and Watson’s offensive ability?

by thedoctor on Jun 10, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Tinordi more than I like Merrill. He’s got some decent offensive upside from what I understand, and like all the USNDT D-men, he put up monster leg numbers at the combine. He doesn’t seem to have the mean streak that McIlrath has, but he’s certainly got more pop than McIlrath.

For the record, I’ve read some things from scouts that indicate McIlrath might have more offensive upside. He started really slow this year and didn’t have a point until Christmas, but he got some PP time in the second half and finished with 24 points. He sure has some size to get into a slapper, so maybe he can contribute.

As for Watson, I think he’s a little limited in his offensive upside, but not so much that I wouldn’t draft him. On the ice, he kills penalties, hits, and does the little things. I mean, he broke his ankle blocking a shot in the Prospects’ Game. How can someone not love this kid? Offensively, I think he’s probably a 20-25 goal, 50-55 point a year guy after he develops, but he’ll bring a whole lot of things to the table that won’t show up in the stats, just the scoreboard.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 10, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the Avs need not necessarily a pure defensive D-man, but a complete blueliner who can play in all situations and eat lots of minutes. If McIllrath is that guy then we should take him in a heartbeat.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Jun 10, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, Tinordi plays a more rounded two way game than McIlrath. He’s better offensively and a better skater. He’s pretty good in his own zone as well. McIlrath is the shutdown guy though. He’s big and strong and mean as hell. Plus, he’s by far the best fighter in the entire WHL. Tinordi will score more points and be better in transition, but McIlrath will blow people up and put the everloving fear of all things holy in anyone who tries to skate by our net. E.J McGuire (NHL’s head of draft scouting) compared him to Scott Stevens. Probably a bit ridiculous, but the fact he’s mentioned in the same breath is a pretty ringing endorsement in my mind.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 10, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sold. Show me the Carfax. Me want mean. Let someone else be well rounded. I want the Avs to have that mean ass player who everyone hates but we love.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too!

I want, big, mean, crease-clearing, terror-inspiring, defensively-responsible, bombs from the point.

Give me McIlrath!

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

what they said…

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by Beachie on Jun 10, 2010 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

McIlrath definitely has offensive upside. His development curve is off the charts, going from 6pts last year to 24pts this year. And his 24pts this year all came after Christmas.

I don’t get why you think Tinordi has more “pop” than McIlrath, unless you’re making reference to Tinordi’s pop, who played for the North Stars.

Watson’s offensive upside isn’t really “limited” either. I mean, every player’s offensive upside is limited, but offense isn’t something you can criticize Watson for. That’s why he’s flying up the charts – there’s really no weakness to his game. The only question mark is whether his ankle will be a recurring injury.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tinordi’s got better offensive ability than his dad, but he’s never going to be a real offensive threat. Think maybe 30-35pts at most when he’s fully developed.

Watson is offensively gifted. His offense was held back by playing on the 3rd line in Windsor, but after the trade, he was one of the best offensive players in the OHL down the stretch. Playing that third line role for two seasons taught him defensive responsibility, and as a result he’s probably the best two-way player in the Draft.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

The last time the Avs drafted the son of a former NHLer it worked out ok. I wouldnt mind Tinordi.

by NEB on Jun 10, 2010 12:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Well I don’t know if Mark Tinordi should be compared with Peter Stastny.

by cbernardin on Jun 10, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

What about Len Barrie, father of Tyson? Didn’t he play in the NHL?

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by mfured20 on Jun 10, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

He did, but I believe it’s a bit early to assert that the Barrie pick “worked out OK”. He’s lighting up the WHL, but I’m still concerned about the translation to the big league.

In fact, if somebody would buy it, I’d just as soon peddle a pick to get Skinner and pick up McIlrath with our pick.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has anyone mentioned Campbell?

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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 10, 2010 12:54 PM MDT reply actions  

I think he’s projected to go much earlier than us?

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Jun 10, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

mynhldraft.com

has him going 14 they also have us getting McIllrath

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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 10, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although Calvin Pickard seems pretty good too

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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 10, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would give almost anything for an Avs blueline pairing of Shattenkirk and Pickard

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 10, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is pure awesomeness…

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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 11, 2010 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha

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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 12, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ah… that’s a nice pic of me and my girlfriend.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

…and you wonder why your wife hates you…. /jk!

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

No. I know why. She hates me because I’m not someone else.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mcllrath.

I have a feeling that he’s going to go much higher then most people think. Just Googling his name gets you hits from most SBN sites. He seems to be a fan favorite everywhere.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

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by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 2:18 PM MDT reply actions  

shutdown defensemen?

What is the argument for needing a shutdown defensemen? At goals against per game, we were ranked at 17th in the league. I would expect that though because we were ranked at 6th in the league for goals per game. Which basically indicates that we were using an offensive wide-open strategy. This makes the defensive defensemen that we already have look worse than they really are.

I would rather have a puck moving defensemen because they are more likely able to get the puck out of the zone and onto the stick of a forward. Also, just because our defense prospects are good at offense, does not mean that they are bad at defense. They play the defense position for a reason.

We also have a decent defensive defensemen (one dimensional) player in the system in Jonas Holos coming to NA next year.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 3:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Your equivalency of defensive defenseman = one dimensional player is false on its face. Just because a defense-first blueliner isn’t always looking to turn on the afterburners from his own goal line a la Roadrunner doesn’t mean that he can’t bring a great deal to the table in many aspects of the game.

McIlrath is not copy #17 of what we already have – smaller, offensively minded dmen. He is just what LTC calls him below – Adam Foote 2.0, or, I believe, potentially Rob Blake 2.0. With an entire cohort of wingers masquerading as defensemen, this team had damned well better find a way to ensure that it gets big, mean and unpleasant to play against in its own zone, or it will be destined to be run over in the early rounds of the playoffs as it was this year.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not against taking a guy like McIlrath, but just not in the first round.

We got ran over early in the playoffs because we are young and rebuilding, not because we didn’t have a big defensive-defensemen that’s always in the penalty box. Also, I don’t think you could really call Rob Blake a defensive defensemen. Maybe you could say that he was well-rounded but he put up a lot of offense too. Our guys, who are only a couple inches smaller than McIlrath, could also turn out to be very well rounded and they will likely stay out of the box.

I say, take the best player available, regardless of position.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

A guy like McIlrath won’t be there after the first round. Sure, you can find some large defensemen in the 2nd and later, but none of them have McIlrath’s howitzer of a shot and affinity for hitting. A big guy with the heart of a kitten will play like just that – a kitten. We need ravening lions on our blue line.

McIlrath is mean and doesn’t mind fighting – at all. That being the case, he’s the biggest guy on his team and the WHL is DEFINITELY a fighter’s league. He filled the role that his team needed. Probably over-zealously on occasion, but the kid can skate and score and plays D well and can intimidate. This isn’t Scott Parker all over again, though having somebody other than the Pilsbury Punchingbag on the ice if the need were to arise would be great.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

To me, when someone is a “puck moving” defensemen, it’s code for can’t hit/gets knocked down a lot/can’t clear the zone to save his life. In wanting Dylan Mcllrath, I’m hoping he can be bigger, meaner and more thick skulled (less rattled in the brain) Ryan Wilson.

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Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

When I think of “puck moving” defensemen, I think of a player that has skill to make long tape-to-tape passes and a heavy slap-shot. I also think that defense can be taught easier than the skills I previously listed. I know what you mean about a mean-streak though. However, unless a player is extremely well, rounded, I don’t think you should pick him high in the draft. I’ve read that McIlrath isn’t a great skater, doesn’t have much offense but likes to fight (a lot). That sounds a lot like Parker and doesn’t seem very well rounded. I would prefer that they only pick him if he slips into a later round.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree about Holos but he doesn’t have much size to move people in front of the net. The Avs D-men in the system (besides Gaunce) are mostly prototypical puck moving D-men as you describe but don’t have size nor are they heavyweights. I think with McIlrath the Avs would be getting a bigger, badder Adam Foote V2.0. None of the D-men on the roster or in the system are a concertina eating, thunder crapping, ass kicking D-man with an attitude. I agree the Avs need one. But the Avs also need a scoring LW and goalie of the future from this draft. Can’t wait to see who they pick!

by LTC Pain on Jun 10, 2010 3:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Moving them out of the net is a pretty good argument. Looking at our prospects though, we have some decent size with Gaunce at 6.1, Cohen at 6.2, Barrie at 6.2, Elliot at 6.0 and Chouinard at 6.1. Looks like McIlrath is listed at 6.4, so he’s got, at least, a couple inches on our guys. However, the PIM scares me a little. His stats seem closer to that of a goon, and I don’t think we need a Scott Parker type player playing defense (that we draft in the first round). I just think we could probably fill that need later because it seems we are looking for somebody that’s one dimensional.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Barrie is 180 pounds — In comparison, Liles is 185 — and his game has always been offensive in nature because that’s where his skills are.

Elliot is 185.
Chouinard is 190.
Gaunce and Cohen are around 200.

I’m hoping some of these guys get at little taller and wider as they continue to develop.

Chris Stewart is 6’2, 220. It’s guys like him, or Byfuglien or Joe Thornton that we need bigger guys to handle.

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by Dixomatic on Jun 10, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cohen was listed on BU’s roster last year at 6’ 3", 215.

by niwotsblessing on Jun 10, 2010 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can gain weight like most prospects do, but you can’t gain height.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess that’s not totally true. A lot of prospects grow a couple inches after they are drafted. My point is that they can gain weight to fill out their frame once they top out in height.

by mcarson01 on Jun 10, 2010 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for saying it the way I wanted it said. +1.

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Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 10, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Foote is a good comparison for McIlrath. Foote never put fear into anyone. When he was younger, Foote was a better skater than McIlrath. Foote never had anything even remotely resembling heavyweight fighting ability. McIlrath has a lot more offensive upside than Foote ever did. McIlrath is a whole lot bigger than Foote. The only real comparison is that they’re both big, defense-first shutdown defensemen. McIlrath has the potential to be much better than Foote was.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m big on Campbell simply because I don’t think McIlrath is going to fall to the Avs.

If he does, no question we should take him.

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by UZ on Jun 10, 2010 3:49 PM MDT reply actions  

I’d like to see the Avs look at Brandon Archibald in the 2nd or 3rd round.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 10, 2010 5:18 PM MDT reply actions  

From that post he looks like he might be a Gaunce-type steal. But we’ll see if either pans out.

by Greendaygoal on Jun 10, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m down with the Dean Lombardi style, he helped construct the Sharks and now the kings. His philosophy is draft the best player available and figure it out later, trades are easier to deal with than busts. You never know what is going to be available later in either free agency or by trade.

by Greendaygoal on Jun 10, 2010 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Admittedly, I don’t know much about the prospects, so I guess that’s why I don’t know what positions these guys play just by their names…I’ve divined that info for most from your descriptions, but would you mind adding it? I know I can look it up, but I’d like to see it all there in one place…. Thanks! =) (Or maybe it’s just been a very long day and I’m not seeing it…or my work’s filter is blocking a graphic of it…I dunno)

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by Beachie on Jun 10, 2010 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

I added them to the poll. I hope that helps!

by Dustin Burfiend on Jun 10, 2010 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks my love!

Helps mucho.

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by Beachie on Jun 10, 2010 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

*Sigh*

I’m man-crushing. Hard.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

skating is key

The fear with big guys is that they accelerate like a dump truck. If this kid has good skating ability, the rest can fall into place over time.

Draft the Wrath!!

by niwotsblessing on Jun 11, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did I mention that he was in the Hardest Shot competition for that Cherry Vs Orr game…

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by i2strange97 on Jun 11, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I renew my vote for him. As for his weakness on puck handling, I think we have a few guys on D that could teach him a thing or two.

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 11, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I’m pretty sure puck handling can be improved. Skating and hockey sense are usually the big issue with these giant defensemen…not the case here, by all accounts.

by thedoctor on Jun 11, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I’m pretty sure puck handling can be improved. Skating, and hockey sense and a lack of pathological aggression are usually the big issue with these giant defensemen…not the case here, by all accounts.

Fixed

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just don’t see him being there at 17.

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by i2strange97 on Jun 11, 2010 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

shhhh, they’ll hear you :)

by thedoctor on Jun 11, 2010 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

But I do think we stand a good chance of getting McIlwrath (I like that one!) since everybody these days has such a hard on for puckmovers.

Our boy is slow, impetuous and can’t score. Remember?

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

ooh!

With a new nickname like that, we totally need to take him :)

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by gl avfan on Jun 11, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Campbell is the ticket

If he’s still available we should take the best goalie in the draft. But I think the Avs could make a move by trading a couple of prospects and maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get an additional first round choice. Then maybe we can get Skinner too!

by sheese on Jun 12, 2010 10:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Forget about Campbell. He’s not going to be there at 17.
Forget about Skinner. He’s not going to be there at 17.
Forget about McFarland. Million dollar talent, but no desire. Horrible work ethic. Avoid like the plague.
Forget about Kabanov. He’s a flake.
Forget about the rest of the Russians. The Avs don’t draft them.
Forget about Nino. No heart unless he’s playing in a red jersey with a white cross on it. Just like the rest of the Swiss.

This draft is very deep, and you’ve got a lot of players who are moving up the charts, and that’s going to make some people drop. The Avs are probably going to be faced with a choice between one or two surprising sliders and a guy who might be a bit of a reach at 17 (McIlrath). Depending on who the sliders are, I’d lean heavily toward McIlrath. You can teach skating, but you can’t teach that kind of size, strength and meanness. Etem is another strong possibility.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 11:33 AM MDT reply actions  

still not sure about McIlrath- I think we should take Skinner unless Campbell is somehow still there

by Chris Engleman on Jun 13, 2010 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Skinner and Campbell will both be gone.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't be certain...

about that. I agree about Campbell, but it’s difficult to say. This draft is very, very deep. It’s hard to predict how things will go much past #8 or so. I’d guess it’s 50-50 on Skinner being there, but it’s entirely possible he will. I’d say McIlrath is more likely to be there, but not by that much. Several mock drafts show him going before seventeen. Because of where we’re drafting and how deep this draft is, someone may well have fallen in love with him and will move on him before we pick.

It is premature to say that someone in the second tier won’t be there. Taylor Hall? He won’t be there. Mac or Skinner? No way to know.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 13, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, it’s basically guaranteed that Skinner won’t be there at 17. He’s one of the guys moving up the charts, not one of the guys dropping. I guarantee he’ll be off the board at 17, and so will Campbell. It’s entirely likely that McIlrath will be there, as 17 is a reach for him. It’s a reach that I’m willing to make, as I hear that Detroit is VERY interested in him. He won’t drop past Detroit.

by DetAvs on Jun 13, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where is Skinner gonna play? 3rd Line? Move to wing?

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 14, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Skinner on the 3rd line would be a monumental waste. He’s a center who plays both wings already. I’d love to see him on Stastny’s line with Mueller on the other wing. That line would strike fear into peoples’ hearts.

by DetAvs on Jun 15, 2010 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that line would probably scare the Montreal Canadiens’ top line and that’s about it.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uh, what are you talking about? That’s a line with a pure sniper (Skinner), a playmaker (Stastny), and a guy who does both (Mueller). The offense would be sick.

by DetAvs on Jun 16, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

You're right,

Assuming they completed 100% of their passes. As soon as they had to fight for a puck down low, they’d be dominated by bigger lines and hell, even individual defensive players. Two average-size guys who aren’t the most physical (including one with a history of head injuries) + a Lilliputian like Skinner equals a lot of scoring on the rush or no scoring at all against some of the bigger lineups, especially in the Western Conference. There’s no banger on your proposed lineup. Nobody to go in the corners and get dirty.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man, someone buy this poor guy a lawnmower.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 16, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Skinner isn’t tall, but he’s got legs like tree trunks. I’m guessing you’ve never seen him play. He’s built like a fire hydrant, and is as strong on his skates as a 6’3" 215lb guy.

We’ll put it this way – Skinner at 18 is bigger than Joe Sakic ever was. And I think you’d agree that Sakic was relatively effective in the NHL.

Moot point anyway – Skinner will be long gone by the time we pick.

by DetAvs on Jun 16, 2010 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’re right, I haven’t seen him play. However, going on historical tendencies I figure Concussion Pete, SoS, and a 5’-10" teenager will be a line that is easy to physically dominate. But like you said, it’s likely a moot point.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

My take. I would like to see the Avalanche take a forward, a D man, and a goalie in the first 3 rounds. I have a bias towards the USNDT and DU hockey so bear with me.

My first hope would be a solid D man. Either Forbot (probably gone), McIllrath (maybe gone) or Merrill. Either of those boys on the board, we take them. Then, in the 2nd, we get a Zucker, a LW that goes to the dirty areas yet can fly and score. I’m thinking a perfect compliment to Duchene and Mueller (he will be 3 years away from playing in the pros and Hejduk will probably be gone by then). In the 3rd, goalie Sam Brittain. The kid is tall, 6’3" and won the hand-eye coordination test at the combine, that should be good for a goalie eh?, and he will attend DU so the Avs can get a good glimpse at his development. Some guy named Stastny came through that program.

2nd wish. We go the forward route. If Skinner is available, pick that guy up in a heart-beat. I see him as a Hejduk type meaning a serious sniping winger. Put him on Duchene’s wing and he will get 40+ goals a year. No joke. If not him, depending on who’s on the board, the next guys I would want are Howden (a good skating power forward, can’t beat having two Stewart types) or Brock Nelson (gifted playmaker). In the 2nd round, hope Stephen Johns is available. Nasty Dman from the US team that has some offense in his game. And did I mention he plays on the nasty side? Goalie Brittain in the 3rd.

This is a deep draft and several teams have glaring needs. Who knows which players will get scooped up where. There’s also one other thing to remember about the weeks leading up to the draft. There is a lot of speculation from media and fans but nothing is being heard from the men that will make the decisions (and some GM in Toronto wants to shake things up to make some picks too so who knows what will happen when he hits the phones). Enjoy the rumors surrounding the draft. I for one want some of the kids on the US team on the Avs.

by Bringbackboone on Jun 13, 2010 11:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t touch Brittain. Actually, I wouldn’t waste a pick on a goalie not named Campbell, Pickard, Simpson or Wedgewood. Campbell would be a coup in the first round, but he’ll be gone before we pick. If the Avs could acquire a late 2nd rounder without giving up too much, I wouldn’t mind seeing them take Simpson (if he’s there). Pickard is a good player, but he’ll probably go late-1st/early 2nd, and he’s not worth that. Wedgewood is a wildcard in that you don’t really know who loves him and who doesn’t. He could surprise people and go in the 2nd, or he could drop to the 5th.

Assuming Campbell is off the board before #17, we should take Wedgewood somewhere around the 3rd-4th round. Even if it’s a reach, it’s obviously worth it.

The only similarity between Skinner and Hejduk is that they are both shoot-first forwards. Skinner is a center, Hejduk is a wing. Skinner plays a tenacious offensive game, Hejduk is a floater. Skinner’s ceiling is much higher than Hejduk’s.

Given that you’re a DU guy, it’s interesting that you didn’t mention Beau Bennett. He’s going to be a hell of a player. There are going to be much better players available than Howden when we pick, and Bennett just might be one of them.

by DetAvs on Jun 14, 2010 2:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hejduk is a floater.

…say…what?

by thedoctor on Jun 14, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I missed this as well. Umm, what?

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 14, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would really enjoy Bennett playing the wing for the Avalanche. The way he torched the BCHL this year and the similarities to Bozak (sounds like Bennett has more offensive ability too). I just didn’t want to have my whole draft be DU players. What kind of mock would that look like (imo a very damn good one). Bennett could be a wildcard too. I think he may be reach where we are drafting but gone by the 2nd round.

I also think drafting a goalie is a crapshoot at best. Delmas was a great 2nd round pick a few years ago. How has that turned out? Last year we took fliers on some guys. Not sure how the guy at BU is going to turn out.

But folks remember, we got O’Reilly and Elliot in the 2nd last year. Both were expected to be middle-late first round picks. There is some good talent in this years draft that will slide and I’m sure Billington will be all over it.

by Bringbackboone on Jun 14, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind the Avalanche taking a look at Louis-Marc Aubry in the 3rd or 4th round (once again if he makes it there). He’s tall, has good vision, and his father played for the Nordiques (also the Red Wings but that was before the rivalry). Here’s a link from nhl.com.

by Bringbackboone on Jun 14, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

But folks remember, we got O’Reilly and Elliot in the 2nd last year.

How often does that kind of fortune happen, though? That was either shear brilliance, incredible luck or sweet karma with some fate thrown in for good measure.

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 14, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

But many are saying that though this year’s draft doesn’t have quite the star power (having 2 megastars as opposed to 3), that it’s actually deeper than last year. There are only 30 picks in the 1st round. I’m thinking that lots of guys will be seen as steals in the lower rounds by virtue of their talent and as the memory of this year’s draft strength recedes.

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 14, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ottawa may consider (rumored) taking Bennett at #16. I like the idea of Zucker in the second round. I picked him up in a couple of mock drafts at #47.

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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 14, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mock Drafts

Are these mock drafts posted anywhere? I thought MHH did one last year and had it posted on the front page. Maybe we’re not close enough to the actual draft but if you have any links that you can send, it would be greatly appreciated.

by Bringbackboone on Jun 14, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Campbell isn’t a crapshoot, but most goalie prospects definitely are. The best you can do is look for guys with projectable upside who are strong between the ears, have sound fundamentals and elevate their game when it counts. This year, the only two goalies that really have all of that are Campbell and Wedgewood. Simpson has some of it, and Pickard has the projectable upside portion of the equation. I wouldn’t bother with any of the other North American goalies.

Conz is another name that might be of some interest, but I wouldn’t touch a Swiss player with a ten-foot pole. He plays hard when the white cross is on his chest, but they all do. I’d need to see what he’d do for a North American club team, but unfortunately we won’t see that until after he’s already been drafted.

by DetAvs on Jun 15, 2010 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s a floater. He doesn’t work every shift. He doesn’t even put in effort every game. He disappears for long stretches. He’s very streaky. He’s a floater. He’s a talented floater, but he’s a floater.

by DetAvs on Jun 15, 2010 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha, I need to start keeping track of these.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I could just link you to my website? www.wtf.com

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Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

pssst…. not really my site.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, are you saying that Hejduk puts in 100% effort every game?

He’s a good player and all, but just because he’s an Av doesn’t mean he walks on water.

by DetAvs on Jun 16, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does any player? If Hejduk doesn’t, then no one does. There’s plenty of Avs you could site for poor effort from time to time. Hejduk isn’t one of them.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 16, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are several Avs players who put in 100% effort every game. Hejduk is definitely not on that list. If Hejduk had Yip’s work ethic, he wouldn’t be a one-time 50 goal scorer. If Hejduk had Hendricks’ work ethic, he’d be a Selke candidate and would probably flirt with 100pts.

by DetAvs on Jun 16, 2010 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes, that’s exactly what I said. There’s no middle ground at all between “Hejduk is a floater” and “Hejduk puts in 100% effort every game.”

I just laid out a big argument, but you know what, I’ll just let it go. I’m not getting into anything more with you. We’ve already seen what happens: all you do is spout your opinion as fact, and get worked up when people disagree, no matter the nature of the response. I’ll just express disbelief at your more astonishing remarks.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot step 4: Get banned.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

who got banned? is this Thomas?!?

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo /sarcasm???

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

so you’re saying detavs is not thomas.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Correct?

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew it was Thomas from the first post on here. Honestly, I don’t mind Thomas. We go way back to an Av newsgroup years and years ago. Seems to know a lot about prospects. Has some interesting things to say. I don’t agree with everything he says and once in a while he throws out something pretty wild (like some of his opinions on Sakic), but he is interesting.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 16, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thomas?

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

is there an entry for thomas in the mhh wiki? if not there should be.

legend.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I really did do a Wiki search for MHH.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha. he’s an internet Avs fan that really hates Detroit, and he just kind of hated Sakic too. As BiB said, his prospect knowledge was good and he knows hockey…he just had really out there thoughts on some issues and players.

Of course, he had a tendency to get very abusive in discussions. All in all, a very memorable and earnest troll. I never got any sort of vibe he wasn’t being totally genuine at any moment, which is rare for trolls. Usually they have at least some level of self-awareness. Not thomas. am I leaving anything out?

I don’t know if DetAvs is thomas, I was mostly just making a joke about banning. Now that I say it, I see that there are some similarities between DetAvs, ahem, style and thomas. Do you really think it’s him BiB?

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. Almost positive. For a while I thought he had dropped his Av fandom. Good to see him back on board.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 16, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

if you’re right, sharp eye.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

if it is thomas, the abuse level seems incredibly muted.

let’s find out. DetAvs, what are your thoughts on Sakic?

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hejduk puts in more effort every game than any other player on the team, IMO. I have never – nor will ever – question his dedication to the Avalanche organization. The fact that he declined to represent his country in the Olympics in what will most likely be his last opportunity ever in order to fully heal his body so that it would be in the best shape possible to help this team speaks louder than anything you can possibly say. The fact that upon returning from any injury he’s had he won’t hesitate to grind in the corners or take a hit in order to gain possession of the puck tells me more than your opinion can. Hejduk is the definition of effort. Period.

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I see where this is going…and I don’t like it.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

K, dad.

I’ll stop. =)

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

and you can do your deletey thingy if you want to avoid WWIII. I don’t mind! =)

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, go ahead Mike, mow ’em down. Oh, wait …..

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 16, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hate you so much right now.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 16, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

So… what da ya think about Kovie?

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 16, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

The face needs a wee bit more hate. But close.

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 16, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I am trying so hard to contain the laughter! State monitors probably wouldn’t think it so funny…

by Mrs @ MHH on Jun 17, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

bwahahahahahahaha!!

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by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t question his dedication to the Avs one bit. He has had plenty of opportunities to leave for (sometimes) greener pastures if he wanted to, but he stuck with the team throughout. He’s a swell guy and a very good player. But he disappears for games at a time, and he always has. And sadly, he’s not the kind of player who is too terribly useful when he’s not producing offensively.

I’m not saying the Avs should get rid of him. I’m saying that to compare Skinner’s work ethic to Hejduk’s is an insult to Skinner. Skinner is remarkably consistent, works his tail off every shift, and is still useful to the team when he’s not producing offensively. The only forward rated in the top three rounds of this draft who works harder than Skinner is Justin Shugg. And that’s saying something.

by DetAvs on Jun 16, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know nothing of Skinner so I can’t compare the two, but to say Hejduk is an insult to anyone is …. out of respect for Mike, I’ll keep my mouth shut on that one.

Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.

by Beachie on Jun 17, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I should state that I don’t have any sort of emotional attachment to anyone on the team. I have an emotional attachment to the team itself. As a result, I see players for what they are, and don’t overlook their weaknesses.

So with Hejduk, I see a streaky player who cares a ton about his team, is a great family man, but doesn’t work as hard as he should. You see him differently. That’s fine.

by DetAvs on Jun 17, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I call bullshit on that.

How many days are left until October 7th?

by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

let us remember this day forever, for doc and beachie have agreed on something. detavs is truly a uniter.

by thedoctor on Jun 16, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Beachie on Jun 16, 2010 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

More draft fun: SBNation

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 15, 2010 10:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Pretty cool read. I would have thought it easier to get it right in the first round. Could being a cup contender every year and drafting so late in the round have anything to do with it?

The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."

Screw the Wings.

by i2strange97 on Jun 15, 2010 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not really. Read Hockeynomics. The author destroyed the whole “drafting late every year” argument.

by DetAvs on Jun 15, 2010 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another name to throw out there – Austin Levi, D with the Plymouth Whalers. He was ranked #30 in the preliminary rankings, but ended up at #156 in the final rankings. 6’3" 192lb mesomorph with a big frame that can still pack on 30lbs I’d say. The reason for the drop is that his offensive game didn’t come around like scouts had expected. He’s big, physical and raw. Likes to drop the mitts. Has a very smooth skating stride. Shot, passing ability and hockey sense are, well, a work in progress, you might say. The upcoming season is going to be a key year in his development.

He played forward exclusively in Whalers rookie camp last month, which is interesting because the Whalers were short on D, were loaded at forward, and having played two seasons in the OHL already, he wasn’t a rookie. I’m thinking that he was either playing forward at the request of the numerous scouts in attendance, or they’re planning to move him to the wing this fall. I can say that he looked very impressive offensively at camp, and didn’t look at all out of place on the wing.

Here’s some stuff on him:


Oh, did I mention that he’s from Colorado and grew up an Avs fan?

by DetAvs on Jun 18, 2010 1:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Would a later round pick (4th/5th) be an appropriate place? He seems like a project.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 18, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree with Mike. If he’s around in the 4th/5th, I’m all about it!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 18, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s tough to say. He’s definitely a project. But he’s definitely got huge upside, he’s great in the locker room (I’m friends with some of the parents of the kids on the team, and I hear a lot of the locker room stuff) and the Whalers are committed to his development. The Whalers’ coach drafts kids who were character guys on championship teams, and that’s exactly what Levi is. He’s very well-regarded around the league and got a lot of attention from the scouts.

At one point, he was being talked about as a late-1st to early-2nd round prospect, but by the end of the year, he had obviously fallen. I could see him going in the 4-5th round, and I could see him dropping out of the draft entirely. I think that if he does get picked, it will be either the Avs or the Canes who pick him (the Canes and Whalers have the same owner, they draft players from each others’ systems and the Canes’ coaching staff usually comes up through the system from the Whalers).

There’s actually another Whaler that I like better, but he’s not likely to be drafted. Colin MacDonald. He’s as tall as Levi, has a big frame but still needs to pack on a bunch of weight to be effective at the next level. What he has that Levi lacks is maybe the best hockey sense I saw in any junior-aged D this season. The kid is super-smart, chose the Whalers over Ivy League offers (and they wanted him for academics as well as athletics), and skates better than Taylor Hall. No exaggeration. Kid skates like Coffey. He’s a shutdown D, skates as well backward as forward, and makes excellent decisions both with and without the puck. The downside? There’s no offense to his game at all, and doesn’t play mean at all. Like I said, I don’t think he’ll be drafted. But the kid can play, and I’d LOVE to see the Avs take a flier on him.

by DetAvs on Jun 18, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Austin Levi

I think the Avs could get him in round 3 or 4, but I don’t think he’ll last beyond that. He showed offensive flashes last year, but he really stood out in the playoffs logging a ton of minutes and totally shutting down guys like Taylor Hall. The Whalers seemed built to support their top forwards, AJ Jenks & Tyler Seguin. I think they wanted Levi to play shut down rather than offensively especially later in the season. I wouldn’t read too much into the rookie camp situation. I’d be surprised if they moved him to foward. He’s too valuable in the corners and in front of his own net. I’d bet he’ll be a big asset for them at the point PP & PK this season. Did some research and found he played for Front Range, Arapahoe, Littleton and the Thunderbirds in Colorado. Played Midget for Detroit Compuware before being drafted by the Whalers. Thanked his Colorado Pee Wee coach in a Michigan newspaper interview.

by JuniorMajor on Jun 20, 2010 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hbr2dLUeYA

Levi video didn’t post before for some reason.

by DetAvs on Jun 18, 2010 1:31 AM MDT reply actions  

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