Trade Hannan Back to the Sharks???
by Mike @ MHH on Jun 18, 2010 6:00 AM MDT
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We're going to step a tad outside the box for a Friday and talk about something serious and not just tangentially related to the Colorado Avalanche. That subject? Moving Scott Hannan this offseason. And where would you move said Hannan too? The Sharks. Hear me out (bullet-point style):
- Rob Blake is retiring, so there is a likelihood that San Jose will be one of the active shoppers for a veteran defenseman this offseason.
- Assuming that Sharks GM Doug Wilson plays hardball with UFA goaltender Evgeni Nabokov (per this great post from Mike Chen over at FTR) he may have $4-5 million to fill the defensive need.
- The Avalanche are in rebuilding mode and have a logjam of blueliners under contract for the upcoming season.
- Scott Hannan's contract is currently worth a cap hit of $4.5 million. It comes off the books after the 2010-2011 season.
- The Sharks draft 28th this season.
If I was the Shermanator, I'd call up Wilson and see if he was interested in bringing the Hobbit back to the Left Coast for a younger, non-defenseman NHL player (Jamie McGinn is due a raise after the 2010-2011 season) and a pick or maybe just picks & prospects (possibly their 2010 1st-rounder). I think this is a good deal for Sharks as it fills a need with a familiar player and it isn't a long-term commitment. They'd have another Cup competitive team with Hannan, and still have the cap room they would have had without him at the end of the 2010-2011 season.
This is a good deal for Colorado in that it frees up a spot for a Shattenkirk or Cohen while giving the Avs two first-round picks this season or continues the youth movement if they get a McGinn or prospect. Or if we have to take on some money from the Sharks, we take back a short term hit which would likely be somebody in the Sharks' system as they're pretty set with most of their guys through next season. It would likely free up some cash for some FA shopping of our own this offseason or clear some room for a mid-level trade (Patrick Sharp, Nathan Horton, Stephen Weiss) with clubs that are looking to dump salary.
What do the MHH faithful think? Bad idea? Worth fleshing out a little more? Open talks with Fear the Fin?
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maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve been under the impression that the Sharks brain trust (and fan base) doesn’t miss Mr Hannan all that much.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 18, 2010 6:24 AM MDT reply actions
Hannan is a reasonably good defensive dman. The prospect we have who is most likely to fill that role next season is Jonos Holos, his experience in the SEL and the Norwegian National Team is closer to NHL caliber than our other guys. If we can get go return for Hannan, especially another first rounder, this could be a good trade.
There was talk on HF, apparently from the SJ boards, that the Sharks had offered Ryan Clowe for John Michael Liles at the trade deadline last season. While unconfirmed, this is a deal worth making for both teams. Avs get a young and experienced big forward who has some scoring skills, SJ gets a player who may benefit from a change in scenery. This also frees a role for Shattenkirk as the PP Q-back.
can’t imagine the Avs would have turned down that one.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 18, 2010 7:05 AM MDT up reply actions
If the Avs turned that down, I can’t see Liles going anywhere before his contract is up. Either they’re committed to him or he’s got pictures of Sherman and his goat.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
and FWIW, if SJ did offer it and the Avs did turn it down, I personally want to slap Sherman upside the head with a cast iron frying pan. I would have loved that trade. (Yes, doc, you read that right.)
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions
WHOA!!!
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe the offer was made and that it was nixed.
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…by Mrs. Sherman.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I think both proposals are good.
Clowie made a ton of money ($3.625M cap hit through ‘12-’13) on his last contract. At the time it was signed, he was coming off a really good, albeit losing effort, in the playoffs (wasn’t he/isn’t he the only one to consistently show up in the spring?) With JML in the doghouse as much as he was last year, it is difficult to imagine that trade wasn’t more seriously considered…
Clowie has size, strength, good character guy and is a hard worker. Loved seeing him work his ass off with the Barons in Cleveland to get his shot at the bigs (he was a 6th round pick) and would love to see him back in the fold of an organization I greatly care about.
Otherwise, the proposal regarding shipping Hannan out would work too… It’s usually not a bad thing to have multiple 1st round picks, right?
From HockeyDB.com, recent previous #28 overall picks include: Dylan Olsen (CHI), Viktor Tikhonov (PHX), Nick Petrecki (SJ), Nick Foligno (OTT), Matt Niskanen (DAL), Mark Fistric (DAL) and Corey Perry (ANA)
Hannan for Clowe (or a high pick) seems like a good deal for us. However, I doubt SJ would do it. If they have cap space available, they’ll be using it to hang onto their FAs and finding another goalie.
But as Mike Chen’s post pointed out, who are they going to sign on the FA market that is an improvement over Nabby? Turco? Why not try to get the hometown discount since Nabokov wants to stay in SJ and fill the needs at D and replacing Marleau? I really don’t think we’ll see a drastic change in net for SJ next year.
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Nabokov
Nabokov, I think, wants $5M/year. He’s a below average-average goalie. The Sharks could get a guy like, say, Dan Ellis for cheaper and get the same level of goaltending. Unless they can sign Nabokov on the cheap ($3M) they’re better off going after a bargain guy or handing the reigns over to Greiss and getting a backup.
I don’t think SJ would, ever, do Hannan for Clowe, and I agree with DDC above: I don’t think SJ misses Hannan at all.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2010 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn straight
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
That was so much easier done than when I try!
Also, I don’t think Ellis is leaving Nashville, but that’s just my opinion.
Rinne was given the contract extension, and I don’t think Nashville (limited budget) will try and re-sign Ellis. I think he’s going on the market
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know, here is Ellis’ Twitter entries today
Gonna miss Nashville. All the guys…the city and the fans. It was a great place to break in but time to reach another level.
And
Really looking fwd to July 1 it can’t come soon enough. Exciting to think of the possibilities! I just want to win!
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Or:
I love the west but gotta be open to anywhere. There r some great teams in the east too!
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Drunk, naked and shouting
“I’m the starter! I’m a Hall of Famer, dammit!”
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
This is, however, exactly what Chen posits in his article. Wilson goes to Nabby & says “We’ve got a $3.5M budget in goal given our needs at D and LW. You wanna stay? We’d love to have you (at that price).”
Chen (correctly, in my mind) puts this as a choice for Nabby to bank his last 3-4 years in the league with a team that with his (supposed) skills MIGHT make the playoffs or to take a hometown discount and have a lead pipe cinch into the 2nd round at worst with a very legit shot at the Cup. Question is, what does Evgeni want to do?
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San Jose was lucky to get past us in the first round this year, Pavelski saved their bacon by getting hot. And we were without an entire forward scoring line (Muller, Hejduk, Jones).
by niwotsblessing on Jun 18, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would wanna keep Hannan if not for him and footer imagine how many more shots Anderson would have had to stop probably 100 or so more. Now if we could get say Paul Martin from NJ then my thoughts would change on the matter of Hannan.
by KingHellfire on Jun 18, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
True,
but that pretty well pwned the Dead Things.
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I like the idea of moving Hannan back to the Sharks. But you’re smoking dope if you think the Sharks will give up a 1st round pick for a not to mobile defensive defenseman. I’d say a 2nd round pick at most. I’m less agreeable to trading Liles. Either trade would free up a spot for Holos or Shattenkirk.
If the Avs give up Hannan, outside of Foote, would we have any other defensive defensemen…maybe Wilson?
Outside of that, the current crop of D-men doesn’t really strike defensive fear into opponents. And since WITH Hannan we gave up the most shots in the league, how would we do without him?
That would be my biggest fear.
I mean it’s nice to have puck movers, but at some point this team is going to have to realize that it needs to tighten up the D in a BIG BIG way
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It would be nice to have a defensive defenseman who didn’t look like he had a live ferret in his pants whenever the puck was on his stick.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions
not that there’s anything wrong with that….
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Except that the live ferret convinces him to throw it blindly up the boards.
What a man keeps in his pants is his own business. What he does with a hockey puck is everyone’s business.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be nice to have a defensive defenseman who didn’t look like he had a live ferret in his pants whenever the puck was on his stick.
Would that look anything like this?
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by Americanario on Jun 18, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
How DO you find this shit??
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Phineas and Ferb is awesome!
Anybody who watches that show loves it.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Not true. Mrs. hates it, while I and preschooler LUVS it.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
What does SHE know.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
It is no Pinky and the Brain.
I rest my case.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Nothing is, though.
And the guy who voiced Brain did some voice acting for Guild Wars recently. Now you know.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Best Episode Ever
When Duffenshimtz (sp?) ‘cheats’ on Perry the Platypus with another arch enemy. And then they end up on Jerry Springer! That was hilarious!
Surprisingly I’ve missed that one….
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by Americanario on Jun 21, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
The song ruled:
% My neme, neme, ooh my neme, nemesis %
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
dude...
if he’s acting like that when he sees me…um, I’m running the other way. Yikes.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Am I the only one?
Oh God, read to quickly and mind went to Ferris instead of Ferret.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be nice to have a defensive defenseman who didn’t look like he had a live ferret in his pants whenever the puck was on his stick.Would that look anything like this?
Put Hannan’s face on it, and you’ve got it.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree and it’s something I’ve been saying all last season when people were down on his play for some reason. That being said, he’s in the final year of his contract, he’s a name player, he fills a need on several possible trade partners and he’d likely get the most bang for the buck among our current crop of defenders. I don’t have a good read on what the organization thinks of him as a piece of the puzzle moving forward, though this offseason may enlighten us depending on the who (if anybody) they sign to bolster the blueline.
A late first-rounder may be a tad high, but I don’t think the Avs would shop him for less than that.
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I really like Hannan and would hate to see him go, but for all the reasons you point out, Mike, his trade value is so high it might be a “too good to pass up” kind of deal. If the team is committed to rebuilding, they might have to go for it and bring up a youngin to get the ice time and growth opportunity. Yeah, that’s going to plummet the team’s standings down into the 10-12 range for the season, but that’s what rebuild is all about, right?
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Holos
Holos is a stay at home defenseman who I think, in time, can fill in the role Hannan plays. Holos skates better, faster than Hannan. His positioning is excellent and so is his outlet pass. The only question about Holos is adapting to the physical play of the NHL.
I think Holos wants to be in the NHL badly enough that he will do whatever he needs to make it happen. He’ll adapt because he has to.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Well not all the blame for shots on goal can be thrown at the d core. Our offensive zone time and possesion was terrible. The two big holes with the Avs i see is the lack of depth two way forwards and another crease clearing dman. That is why i would not be inclined to let Hannan go.
by KingHellfire on Jun 18, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
If the Avs can get a 1st for Hannan, they do it. Any hole that is created can be filled. You don’t turn down a 1st for Hannan, especially in a draft like this.
Agree completely
But who is going to give a 1st for Hannan? Milbury and MacLean no longer GM in this league
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Also agree
Of course the Avs should take a 1st round pick for Hannan. But like Jibblescribbits points out, who is goona do that??? I’m thinking more like a 2nd pick and a prospect.
I understand where you’re coming from, but is the 28th overall that much different from a high/mid 2nd? Especially this year?
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Maybe?
You might be right. It depends on the organiztion and the depth of the draft. In general, talking about a 1st round pick in trade for Hannan seems like too much. That’s all I’m saying.
Maybe a pick swap? Trade their 1st for our second (and maybe throw some players in there).
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by i2strange97 on Jun 18, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes and no. I get your point, that in a draft this deep, you’re going to have a shot at a really good player in the early to mid 2nd just like you would at #28. But given that there is essentially a top tier with two players, a second tier with the big three D (Fowler, Gudbranson and Gormley), Connolly, Campbell and arguably Skinner, then a huge third tier that should stretch to the mid-2nd round, and given that there’s so much volatility and players who are all over the board (think Niederreiter, Watson, Etem, Johansen, McIlrath, Tarasenko, Merrill, etc), you’re likely to see a few guys drop unexpectedly as teams reach for players they like. And when that happens, you have a lot better chance at landing a big dropping prospect at #28 than in the early-to-mid 2nd round. In theory, you SHOULD be able to get a guy in the early 2nd with roughly the same potential than the guys there at 28, but if Tarasenko or Etem is in a free fall, you want to be able to scoop him up.
But then, a team that would consider dealing a 1st for Hannan probably isn’t bright enough to see that far ahead.
Not sure I see the point of trading Hannan
Wasn’t he pretty much our only truly good and competent defender last year? Aren’t most of our prospects not cut out for that shutdown role?
Losing Hannan might give prospects more ice time, but I think the team would take a huge step backwards in competitiveness. Which in turn might hurt our up and comers even more. Plus, getting a 1st for Hannan is pretty much a pipe dream. He’s worth more to us here than he is traded. No.
Youth Movement Among D-Men
I will probably get criticized for this but if the youth movement among forwards was such a surprising success last season what’s the reluctance/drawback with going the same with our D-Corps??? I know it takes time and the Avs can’t simply waive the majority of there D-Corps and call up Holos, Shattenkirk, Cohen, Elliot, Gaunce, etc. But those guys can play. And what’s frustrating as a fan is to see the Avs fill the roster each summer with D-men, leaving no slots for prospects. Maybe that’s the coaching staff at work but in previous years it was due to not having any viable D-prospects in the system. Now we do so lets use them!
I have no problem with the youth movement, I have a problem with the fact that none of our D-men can play actual D.
40.8 shots against a game in the playoffs (most in the Playoffs by 4 shots a game), and 32.1 a game in the regular season 25th out of 30. That’s just too much.
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some of that is scheme. he give up some extra volume of shots in exchange for trying to lower quality. not sure i agree with it, but it’s still skewing those numbers.
but you’re right, we need to get better defenders period. I don’t see what trading arguably our best defender will help though.
Which is what I said earlier. Without Hannan, Foote, and Maybe Wilson can fill the “stay home” role. Quincey maybe, if he shows up the whole year. Otherwise, the D men we have don’t really instill fear into opposing teams
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So are you saying trade out Hannan AND Liles / Cummers? That leaves,
Foote
Wilson
Quincey
Liles / Cummers
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Ok. I’m fine with that. Plug in Holos, Shatty, or Gaunce. Remember too that you will only get Foote for 50-60 games, so that should leave another hole for a good chunk of the season. If were gonna go young, lets do it. Are we going to give up more shots? Yeah, most likely. Can I live with that. Yeah, most likely.
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Screw the Wings.
by i2strange97 on Jun 18, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not saying trade anyone. I’m just saying the Avs have a lot of “puck movers” on their blue line, which is nice. But they need that stay at home presence, which would be gone if Hannan leaves. That would leave an already too slow Foote, and Wilson (who wasn’t the same after his concussion) to fill that role
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My bad. The reply was intended for LTC Pain. Sorry. All I was saying was that if were going young, lets just do it and get it over with. I there is a decent trade available for Hannan, lets take it and put the children in. At least their fast, well, faster.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
by i2strange97 on Jun 18, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
and his club.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
by i2strange97 on Jun 18, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Fight Club/UFC???
Admittedly I’ve never seen McIlwrath play. But I like the physical aspect of his play I’ve read about. Makes me wonder if he’s not in a Fight Club or member of the UFC? BPA, so we will see what the Avs do in seven days and four hours :)
I didn’t say that. I said that Gaunce can fill a stay at home role while still providing a spark. Hannan is a shutdown D, and I realize people around here aren’t too high on him, but he’s a shutdown D. Gaunce can be a shutdown D one day, and most likely will be. But he’s not ready to be that at the NHL level yet, in all likelihood.
That doesn’t mean the Avs should keep Hannan if offered a high pick or a quality prospect.
yeah but who among those prospects is going to fill the hole Hannan leaves? Holos, even if he can adapt to physical NHL play, is still too small to handle truly big guys. Gaunce might, but do you really think he can be a top shutdown guy as a rookie? I don’t. The rest of those guys (Shattenkirk, Elliot, Barrie, Cohen, etc) all have major questions about their D.
I do feel that we need to start merging the young guys in though, you’re right. I feel the right course is to trade Cumiskey or Liles, not Hannan. Liles’ value is good right now. Can’t have too many small guys on a D, imo. It’s a good time for it. (cue beachie hate)
I agree, you don’t want those guys playing top minutes as rookies, the defense learning curve seems longer than forward. Also Cummers (I hate writing that) and Liles fill the same role and I’d rather have someone larger and meaner (and possibly douchier) in place of one of them.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 18, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
(cue beachie hate)
You’ve got me all wrong. I’m not opposed to trading Liles. I’ve actually said many times this past season that it would be a good idea for both him and the team. That said, the way he played at the end of the season warrants waiting on the trade. He upped his defensive play significantly and was singly responsible for stopping more than a few odd-man rushes. I would argue that he was the most valuable d-man during the playoffs even. I realize waiting might risk losing his trade value but (and this is could be where my bias kicks in) that’s a risk I think they should take.
I do think either he or Cumiskey needs to go, though. There’s not room on the team for both of them given the guys coming up in the system. Whomever will give the team the best return – either on his own or in a package deal – should be the one to go as long as the one who remains gives the team the best chance at winning.
I defend Liles when it’s deserved. I criticize him when it’s deserved. Because you and I disagree on when those moments occur, it may seem like I blindly defend him all the time…but I don’t. =)
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ll disagree with you a little. The way he played at the end of the season warrants trading him now. We might get something for him now, Sell High!
The fact is, the Avs have a lot of talented “Liles-type” defensemen coming up through the ranks, probably a couple who will be better than Liles. If he has value now, trade him now. Don’t wait for his value to fluctuate again.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 18, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh you’re absolutely right. Hence
and this is could be where my bias kicks in
tho I do worry that we will get more of what we saw with Cumiskey during the playoffs next season and less Road Runner. If that happens and we have traded Liles, we’re in a bit of a pickle unless Shatty gets up to speed QUICK.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Johnny still doesn’t have $4 million+/year value, even with his better play toward the end of the season. Still untradeable unless we take on salary, too.
By the way, someone at 5280 magazine seems to read MMH:
http://www.5280.com/blog/?p=33701
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 18, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
oh good god
Using a sandwich punching, lawnmower losing, Okie as your “source” for Avalanche rumors? What is this world coming to?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
MHH has gone MSM!!
What is this world coming to, indeed.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
and nice way to totally mislead readers by not stating this post accurately AT ALL. At what point in this discussion did we say the Sharks should “give the Avs a young prospect for the aging, expensive Hannan?” A prospect?? Right, dude. Like that’s a fair deal.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s even more MSM than I indicated in my first post. I actually saw about it from an email newsletter from 5280 called Panorama. It’s pretty good, daily (M-F) roundup of what’s news in Denver. I don’t know how many folks see that on a daily basis, but I like the fact that they obviously look at MHH and found the Hannan story (unless MHH’s vast publicity machine fed them the story).
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 18, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
or it could be that they found it through Dater’s post…depends on which came first – chicken or egg-on-Dater’s-face
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
what the hell is 5280? is that a real magazine?
Assistant *to* the Managing Editor, Mile High Hockey
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 18, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup. We can see it on the newstands and grocery store checkout lines.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, actually, it is. i remember seeing it in a doctor’s office once.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Mike Bertuzzi.
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"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.
by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater’s got this one running too…boy we’re popular today!
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
What I find the most humorous about this is this is essentially off-season entertainment chatter. And yet it’s being picked up as if it’s some serious news or something. The next thing you know it’s going to be on THN.com’s Rumor Roundup or something. I say someone writes one about bringing Trailor Arnassens back and we all agree to go in on it with serious-like comments and see who bites!!! =)
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
We can bring him back to hand out water bottles, but then Bood’s wouldn’t have anything to do.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
He’d still have the door on the bench to open, as well as telling players how to beat the goalies in the shoot outs.
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by Americanario on Jun 18, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Arnie could be useful
He could pass around the Kool-Aid
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I like this idea. We could all create new names that are just backward spellings of our current names. We could do an occasional thread in which we would all be our Bizarro selves and give opinions that are totally contrary to what we normally would say.
"By the age of 18, the average American has witnessed 200,000 acts of violence on television, most of them occurring during Game 1 of the NHL playoff series." ~Steve Rushin
Citamoxid may be onto something here…
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Citamoxid – I thought I saw an ad for that on TV. I think it causes instant death or something as a side-effect.
“Ask your doctor if Citamoxid is right for you”
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Ggiwt Detsub
Eihcaeb
Oiranacirema
79egnarts2i
HHM @ Ekim
Yikes!
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Redluob Ni Bob
Relkniw Nad
Dan is a nad.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Mine either looks Gaelic or like you should say, “Gesundheit” after it. I’m leaning towards gesundheit.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
dereht will make an appearance at some point.
MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem
Detroit Sucks
eegiednas… doesn’t work for me.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
retsasiddetagitimnuna. I’m petty sure that’s contagious, stay away.
Jesus Saves!!! And Duchene gets the rebound and scores.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 21, 2010 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater squelches that idea with more than a bit of snark – hey, Dater, that’s our territory, not yours. You’re not the blogger in his mom’s basement, if anyone’s gonna use sarcasm to shoot something down, it’s us, not you.
As usual, Dater’s logic isn’t going to have anyone confusing him up for a member of the Algonquin Roundtable. He cites Hannan’s no-trade clause (which you don’t think there’s a 99.99% chance he’d waive to return to a good team in a good city he knows?) and his salary cap hit (which, frankly I don’t know why any team would actually pay him that much, but the point is that San Jose would be getting a known and that most other defensemen who are considered “good” or “better than good” will cost around that much.)
And “Datertake” makes me die a little bit inside.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Jun 18, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
And "Datertake" makes me die a little bit inside.
especially when it’s coupled with
(patent pending)
ugh.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Follow Dater on Twitter. But wear a helmet, because you’re going to want to slam your head into a wall repeatedly after one game.
LOL. Excellent point. There were quite a few occasions where I wondered if we were watching the same game.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 18, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
No thanks.
I don’t do Twitter nor ever will.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Elliot and Cohen maybe, but Shattenkirk and Barrie are both very solid defensively.
Also, I don’t think Holos is going to have a problem with the NHL’s physicality. Holos is a competitive weightlifter in Norway in the offseasons. He might not be used to being hit, but he’s definitely strong enough. And defensive D don’t really get hit THAT much – they’re more often the ones dishing out the hits.
I remember
AD posting that he heard it was Liles for Douglas Murray which would make a little more sense for the Avs but not for the Sharks now that Blake is gone and the Sharks have been known for their size. But the Sharks got burned bad by the speed of Chicago and Murray/Blake were the main defensive culprits. They might be open to trading for Liles as a solid puck mover but I don’t know who the Avs would want in return. They have their own logjam of offensive wingers.
FFFFFUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK YYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I'm open to the idea of trading Hannan,
but the entire discussion is predicated on him waiving his No Movement Clause (which he may in order to return to SJS).
I’d also want to be sure that we got a 1st and/or a defensive defenseman to plug the hole Hannan leaves (though that would likely have to be via FA as opposed to trade).
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!
Does anybody know why Hannan left the Sharks to begin with? That might shine a new light on this idea.
Ugh
Screw all this. Can we just get to Frozen Fury already _
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
and the debauchery that will ensue??
if only!!!
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 18, 2010 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Debauchery?
I am a polite, mild-mannered young man who keeps his cool in all social situations and never ingests any alcoholic beverages of any kind. I’m not sure what kind of debauchery you expect to happen with such a cool hand luke in the group.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe that makes you the designated driver.
It's all fun and games until someone blows up Detroit...then it's a PARTY!!!
by Busted Twigg on Jun 18, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
On second thought...
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 18, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait
I thought you offered to be a DD for myself, GL, and Beachie. Are you taking that back!?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 19, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
effyeah
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 20, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Well it’s a good thing that in Vegas we’re only a block away from the strip. Get on that flight, Sandie, we’ve still got room in the condo!!
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t approve of any of this. Carry on…
Kovalchuck... he's Russian and I stare at his picture under my sheets with a flashlight.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 18, 2010 2:36 PM MDT reply actions
Are you people crazy? I just read this stuff and can not believe it. First of all, I promise you the Avs tried to move Hannan last year and had no takers. He was signed to play physical and he’s soooo soft. Everybody in the league knows that. His plus/minus would have been terrible without Quincey (who by the way had to shut down his offense for last half of the year due to Hanna!). If the Avs could get a first for him it would be the steal of the century! Are you kidiing me? A first round pick for him? He sucks in a big way and Giguere should be sent to the Arctic circle for signing him to that deal. The only real prospect of moving him is too get a late round pick and pick up a portion of his salary. There are so many UFA’s you could sign for his money that are 10X better.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 1:15 PM MDT reply actions
No, we are not crazy
We as a whole like to explore all options, just in case (this is for you BiB) Kovie falls through. I think as a whole we try to be objective and intelligent in our posts and although we all have our own ideas/ thoughts/ feelings/ inclinations we as a whole try to respect the others opinions.
Hobbit can bring a lot to the plate. He is also a veteran defenseman who is able to calm the guys in the locker room.
Quincey was not the reason that the pairing of Hannan and Quincey was effective. At the beginning of the year Quincey (like most of the guys) had a lot to prove. He was brought in from the Smyth trade and a lot of fans weren’t feeling it. Fans were pissed that the Avs lost Smyth, who under a different coach who would be able to utilize him properly, could soar.
Don’t get me wrong. Quincey had moments of brilliance, he had an incredible hit on Stamkos, but he is still a young player and made mistakes of young players and had the inconstancies of a young player. And everyone who has been here for awhile knows I love Quincey, but to say that he was the sole reason they were able to shut down people is a little off the mark. In fact, I believe that the consensus at the end of the year was that he was one of the more consistent guys.
How many times was he benched vs the rest of the guys of the Wheel of D? Anyone have that Stat? Because Quincey was sat.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Hanna is junk, period. He’s soft and everyone knows it, including the other Avs players. He’s a salary cap disaster and Quincey was benched not because Hannan is better because they expect A LOT from him and he’s a young guy.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Tucker is the only signing worse in Avs history, period.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 1:17 PM MDT reply actions
I personally feel that Tucker was a good guy to have around the locker room this year. All the Young Guns kept talking about how helpful he was. He is the type of veteran that a team full of young guys need.
I think Brad May was a worse signing. Imo.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Brad May was a worse signing
Amen.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You don’t sign a guy for 2 years at 5 million to “calm” young players" down. There is always a guy for that role who can play. Giguere once again is an idiot, he set the Avs back years with his deals. You have to understand that Toronto bought out Tucker’s previous contract! That says a lot. Then 2 give him that deal! laughable
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand perfectly well that the Center of the Universe bought out his contract. Sometimes all a player needs is a new scene and they can improve, sometimes it doesn’t work. Hell, sometimes the “great” players don’t mesh with the team (the Selanne/ Kariya debacle proves that- yes I am aware that there were injury issues there). Like anything else when forming a team it’s a risk. You never know which player you are going to get. Look at the Wolski/Mueller trade both players had great remainder of the season once they were out of their original town.
I’m not saying Tucker is awesome, just saying that I don’t believe he is the worse. He did bring a lot of intangibles to the team this year, and before his injury he was playing quite well.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
when a team buys out your contract that means you were terrible and/or a huge problem. Tucker played on the 4th line mainly and has scored a whopping 16 and 23 pts the last 2 years. He SOMEHOW (pix of Sacco) got to play on the power play too so that is just a complete embarrassment. You are showing your lack of knowledge by trying to defend him. He can’t hit anymore, can’t skate, doesn’t fight anymore and can’t score. You don’t think a player like Ryan Stoa or Durno is at least more valuable than Tucker?? Name me 2 other players in league (besides Svatos!) who made 2.5M to play the third/fourth line?? Why do you think they don’t resign him? You sign players by evaluating them and understanding their skill level, not sign them and hope they work out.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I do believe her point is that, in the entire history of the Avs organization, there were worse signings than Tucker. I think we all can agree this is true.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 21, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
there is not a worse signing in the Avs history. He is the worst, ask any sports writer covering the Avs. Battaglia came in a trade, had a smaller salary and not a 2 year committment. Turgeon came at bargain price and was near the end but could at least show up at times. Brad May was a 4th liner and was paid accordingly and was there to drop the gloves. That type of signing will not hurt a team. Tucker is the worst. All those players below, ALL OF THEM are way better than Tucker. Rolston is a good player, 2nd team power play, big shot, etc. The only guy somewhat comparable is Pisani but he’s still much younger and a better player even though he’s way overpaid. Colby Armstrong is one of the best defensive forwards in the LEAGUE, highly coveted by many teams. First round pick. Filpulla? One of the best performers in playoffs for 2 years staright. Ponikarovsky had 51 and 60 pts last 2 years? Look at their point productions over say last 3 years. It’s not even close. I’m being fair, Tucker is THE worst signing ever by the Avs. If he would have got 1M a year I could live with it but the reason he’s the worst ever is he COULDN"T PLAY anymore when they signed him, he was done. Nobody else is close.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Brisbois, Brisbois, Brisbois, Brisbois, Brisbois….
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 21, 2010 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Firstly Tucker had a cap hit of 2.2 million.
Brian Rolston- New Jersey Devils – was on the third line making that much.
Fernando Pisani- the stereotypical 3rd line – 2.5 million
Filpulla- 3 million- Detroit
Colby Armstong – 2.4
Ponikarovsky- 2.5
Secondly how the hell do you know what my knowledge is? Really? My whole point is that there have been worse players on the Avs at various points in the year and the reason the Leafs had to buy him out is because the amount he was getting paid no one would touch him ( If I remember correctly ) it was around the 5$ million mark. I at no point said that he deserved his salary, I simply said that I don’t believe that he is the worse player to have ever been in an Avs jersey.
Thirdly I never said that I am a Tucker fan, in fact, I have a hell of a lot of issues with he fact that Lappy is gone and Tucker is here.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean Ryan Wilson scored 21 pts in 61 games and didn’t even play offense!
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
You’re clearly using Bates Battaglia as an exception since it was a “trade”.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Pierre Turgeon disagrees.
Jesus Saves!!! And Duchene gets the rebound and scores.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 21, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Tucker can definitely skate better, and hit harder then Peter Worrel.
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by Americanario on Jun 21, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
NABBY
all of you who think nabby is not a good golie are stupid, how many times did the team have to relie on him to save there asses, it dont take one guy to win the game it takes a team and if the team is down than they rely on the golie to save their asses if not for nabby the sharks as a team would not have made it as far as they did if he wants 5mil give it to him he is well worth it.
Hannan
Hannan has always been a god player. No matter where he plays.it would be great to have him back.
Hannan is terible, an “orange cone” on the ice. He is so soft it’s unbelievable.
by hockeyexpert on Jun 21, 2010 5:26 PM MDT reply actions
Frankenstein never scared me.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
I think you all know by now. He is a sack of shit and every coach in the league tries to match up against him. He just doesn’t care and it shows. He’s 6’2’’ and 215 and plays softer than liles
by hockeyexpert on Jun 22, 2010 9:22 AM MDT reply actions
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