Avs acquire Dan Winnik
Per Dater.
[UPDATE: Now official. Forward Daniel Winnik has been acquired for a 4th round pick in 2012. Winnik is a restricted free agent (assuming he's been tendered). He made $600,000 last year.
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by Luxury Yacht on Jun 28, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
They seemed legit.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Blockbuster
This trade will surely send shockwaves through the NHL. Front offices around the league are frantically looking to make moves to counter what may be the biggest exchange of raw talent the league has ever seen.
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I hope...
this ends the Tucker or Durno era and not Hendricks
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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 28, 2010 4:17 PM MDT reply actions
oh you know I didn’t even think about Yeller good point
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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 28, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Not Yeller!
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 28, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
As long as it’s because Yeller is retiring and not because the Avs are showing him the door.
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by Americanario on Jun 28, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
according to Dater, Hendricks and Avs are still negotiating
I’ve since been told that talks are still going on with Hendricks, and that there is still hope he’ll be back with the Burgundy and Blue. So let’s wait and see.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 28, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Traded for a 2012 4th round pick
The Colorado Avalanche Hockey Club announced today that the team has acquired forward Daniel Winnik from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for a fourth-round selection in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.
Codey Burki replacement for LEM?
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I was thinking more so that he might be a depth forward signing who could bump Stoa or Porter down to LEM. The Avs do need to fill out the forward ranks in Lake Erie, too.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 28, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Speaking of Stoa
What are the odds the kids make it this year. I like him. He really is slow but he plays a tough game.
by avalanchejef on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I really think he needs to be playing with teh big club next year, though not in a top 6 role. the kid has clearly nailed the AHL game, time to prove you can do good things in the NHL.
on the flip side, I have no idea how to fit him in the lineup unless someone goes like Yip or McLeod. Since I doubt we trade anyone, I would guess he doesn’t make the opening night roster. :( first callup though, so he won’t be down long.
He sure does seem slow because of his size but he’s got a great nose for the net. I think he’ll spend a good deal of time with the Avs this year.
Being really wishful...
If he ever has a GWG it is easily… WIN-nik FTW!
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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 28, 2010 4:31 PM MDT reply actions
Winnik
is an RFA
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 28, 2010 4:58 PM MDT reply actions
and for those thinking Yelle, Winnik is has won just 41% of his faceoffs over his 3 year career.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 28, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
oh, I think Yelle’s gone…but I don’t think Winnik has anything to do with it
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 28, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
That would be probably the most irritating line to play against in the entire league.
by avalanchejef on Jun 28, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Concur on Yelle.
What I don’t get, if they plan on playing Winnik in COL (as opposed to LEM) to start the season, is where they want to put him?
Even if they don’t sign Kovie (perish the thought!), it looks like this:
Gali – SoS – Stewie
Ferris – Dutchy – Duke
Stoa/Highlander/Winnik – Radar – Yip
Stoa/Highlander/Winnik – Hendricks – Porter
So even without re-signing Yelle or Durno (or ever calling up Mercier), you’ve got a logjam at bottom 6 LW.
Huh?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 28, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Mueller-Stastny-Stewart
Duchene-Hishon-Hejduk
Yip-O’Reilly-Jones
Galiardi-Porter-Winnik
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I like the looks of that.
Switch Yip and Galiardi and I’m ok with it. I still would rather see the Avs get a 1st liner (or second liner LW and move Mueller up, but I’m still not sold on him) in Free Agency and Hishon start in the OHL. It’s just that O’Reilly and Duchene are the exception, for 18 year olds, and not the rule (not sure if he’ll be 18 or 19 at the beginning of the season).
From what limited I’ve seen, I like the Hishon pick, but it’s long odds he’ll be able to contribute too much next season. And very long odds as the second line center.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 28, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Yip isn’t a 4th liner. He’s a better player than Galiardi, so if you’re going to put one of them on the 4th line, then it should be Galiardi.
Duchene and O’Reilly aren’t really exceptions. Neither of them was NHL-ready last year, but both were given that chance and both showed they belonged by the end of the season. Hishon is now where Duchene was last year. Probably not NHL ready, but with nothing left to prove in the OHL, and plenty to learn in the NHL. More importantly, he’s got a skillset that the Avs need, and he fits a role the Avs need to fill.
Duchene is better suited to play LW than center with the skillset he has and the game he plays. Hishon is better suited to play center, as he is much better than Duchene defensively (which admittedly isn’t saying much) and he’s better on the dot. If he’s on Duchene’s line and Sacco knows what he’s doing, he’ll put Hishon at center.
I’m as big a Yip fan as they come, but even I don’t buy that he’s better than Galiardi. TJ was one of the few Avs to play consistently well in the playoffs, and Yip wasn’t the same after his injury.
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I agree. I think we’ve seen what Yip has to offer. We know what his game is. With Gali, the regular season was just scratching the surface. The playoffs brought out a whole other player in him. I’m anxious to see what will develop next season.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it’s interesting how everyone is going nuts about Galiardi’s playoff performance and ignoring the fact that Yip was 2nd on the team in scoring in the playoffs, 2nd on the team in goal scoring, and scored twice as much as Galiardi did. And if Yip’s injury slowed him as much as you two think it did, that’s an even stronger endorsement for just how good Yip is.
I get that it’s the company line around here to praise Galiardi and poo-poo Yip. Why? I have no idea. But that’s just how it is here. But if you really think that Galiardi is a better player than Yip, you’re nuts.
Galiardi is essentially Hinote with slight playmaking ability instead of slight fighting ability. Great as a 4th liner, adequate as a 3rd liner, but that’s his ceiling. Yip looks like a young Adam Deadmarsh, and still has a ways to go before he hits his ceiling.
I really think Galiardi is a better player than Yip. Hands down.
You seem to think that TJ Hensick will score 50 points this season in the NHL. I think you’re nuts. See how that works?
If Yip looks like any version of Adam Deadmarsh (which he doesn’t), it would be the “final season” Deader who scored only 17 points (albeit in 20 games). Yip’s 25; by that point his career, Deader has 262 points. Yip has 19. I have yet to see Yip get into a fight where he swings so viciously that it seems he’ll do some real damage. In fact, I missed the only fight of his NHL career, against Julian Talbot (of all people) in a pre-season game.
So other than the fact that Yip is already 25 and has about 250 points less than Deadmarsh did at this stage of his career, I guess you could say that Yip looks like a young Deadmarsh, except that he’s not a very physical player, certainly isn’t a fighter, and isn’t especially fast. About his ceiling…I think he might already be pretty close to it, since I don’t remember too many guys older than 25 who are former low round picks who hit their ceiling later in their careers.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 29, 2010 4:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I kinda agree with DetAvs. Although I think TJ is ideal for third line duties. The boy can skate, he can aggravate, he has some play making and finishing ability and he plays great D. That sounds more 3rd line.
Yip is a sniper, he finds ways to get open and finish a shot. I don’t think he create his own chances as well as Duchy or SOS but he can score. To me he sound more like a 2nd liner or a 3rd liner.
I would like to see Yip get better and be constant as a 2nd line guy, but I know this team does need TJ for that 3rd line.
by avalanchejef on Jun 29, 2010 6:36 AM MDT up reply actions
See i don’t disagree with you at all. I’ve never claimed Galiardi is a 1st line player, I don’t think he is at all. In fact, my ideal 3rd line going forward for the Avs includes both Yip and Galiardi.
I think a Galiardi-O’Reilly-Yip 3rd line for the next 10 years would be wonderful. I think you need a very strong 3rd line that can play defense and score occasional goals is essential to winning the stanley cup. right now the only thing I see keeping that line from being formed is a logjam at LW, with Jones, Hejduk and Stewart better than Yip. I think Yip is, or will be, a very solid 3rd liner, who can fill in on the 2nd line when the need arises.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in total agreement!
Gali isn’t a first liner … or second liner. He’s a perfect third line player and that’s where I want him. I don’t think Yip is a bad player at all. Like Jibs, I think he’d be great on a third line to augment that scoring and someone who can jump up to 2nd if an injury occurs but only on a temp basis. On the Avs, tho, I prefer Jones in that role. So I think Yip would be a great guy to trade.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 29, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
The player on the Avs that most6 reminds me of Deadmarsh is Stewart. They seem to be nearly identical in style, temperament and ability. I’d give Deader a slight edge, only because he learned how to box, so he’s a slightly better fighter than Stewie, but they are nearly identical, IMO.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Stewart has yet to show Deader’s level of heart if you ask me, Stewie’s got some growing up to do before I’ll put him in the same category with Deadmarsh. Lots of similarities like you said, but Stewie’s got alot more prima donna in him than Deader ever did.
You’re probably right. I think he showed a bit last season after the demotion, but the demotion is a small red flag for concern.
Playing style I think they are a lot alike.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m inclined to agree with your opinion. I really like the way Yip played on Duchene’s line. We haven’t had the opportunity to find out if he can sustain his goal scoring pace from last season.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 29, 2010 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
FWIW
I am not going nuts over anyone’s playoff performance. It was 6 games, and it’s very difficult to tell anything over the course of 6 games.
I get that it’s the company line around here to praise Galiardi and poo-poo Yip. Why? I have no idea. But that’s just how it is here.
I’m sorry, I haven’t seen anyone here poo-poo Yip. Everyone has said that Yip is a really good player, and no one here has said we didn’t want him on the team. He’s not a 1st liner though (I don’t think Galiardi is one either). I just don’t think anyone here, but you, is fooled by his goal scoring rate, and can recognize that a large part of that was due to some fortunate bounces. Saying otherwise would be saying that you think Yip is one of the top finishers in NHL history.
Yip is 24, Galiardi is 22. Players peak between 26 and 29. It’s more likely Galiardi is further away from his peak.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
For what it’s worth, in development Yip proved to be a hitting, energy guy who chipped in goals and somehow developed in to a sniper at the NHL. Galiardi was a playoff monster in the CHL and scored by the buckets but in the NHL has been a penalty killing grinder.
Yip won’t sustain that shooting percentage. He’s going to slow that down and could make it up with more shots on net but there’s a lot of shots to go around (Dutchy has said he wants to take more shots this year, Stewart needs to take a lot of shots to maintain his production, while Hejduk not so much, etc…).
If you get in to your way-back machine to the season that shall not be mentioned you will recall that Galliardi was one of the ONLY forwards to produce in the last 15 games of the ‘08-’09 season. After his WHL playoff performance and Avalanche run some people were talking 25 to 30 goals his next year on the first line.
Both were rookies, both were projected as 3rd line guys but can certainly fill in as 2nds. I don’t see any reason to say one is better than the other because with these two we aren’t talking a Duchene skill set vs a O’Reilly skill set.
Someone said earlier that Yip isn’t a hitter/fighter/grinder kind of guy. Um, that’s precisely what he is. If he could have fought in the NCAA he would have. He broke his hand in the preseason due to a fight. As a prospect he was an agitator, checker and charge the net kind of player. I think that’s still what he is, but he’s also a shoot first and ask questions later kind of player. Don’t mistake him for the next Jason Arnott. Think of him as more like a Vrbata kind of shooter but a guy who can do a lot more when his shot isn’t going in by bringing his checking game to bear.
I agree with everything you just said, except that he’s developed into a sniper. I actually think him and Galiardi have similar styles, in that they are both more suited to the third line. I just think Galiardi is a bit better all around (and certainly in his own zone).
I like both Yip and Galiardi, but I think they both played a little over their heads last season. I don’t see either as a top 6 forward, but think both would be fantastic to have on the 3rd line. I think they have equal offensive ability (Galiardi a better passer, and Yip being better driving to the net). Galiardi’s better in his own zone, and better at the PK, so he gets the slight edge as a better player IMO.
As I said below, their stats aren’t majorly far apart, but Galiardi has a slight edge in nearly every single relevant one.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I like 'em both
A lot. But most likely, neither would be a top 2 line forward on a Stanley Cup contending team. Thus, enter the Kovie.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 29, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Sniper might be too strong a word, but Yip has a special shot I think. It’s hard and his wind-up or set up for the shot is extremely fast. I don’t think he’s picking corners with his backhand while skating backwards across the crease like Gally did last year but his shot is so hard and quick it’s fooling a lot of goalies so far. He’s going to come back down to earth for sure but I think he’ll always have the benefit of that shot, you can’t teach it.
I guess he could be a great shooter, but I think it’ll take a lot more than 32 games to figure that out. I always saw a lot of his goals as “driving to the net and they go of a skate, or another guy” kind of deflections. I certainly don’t remember a lot where he picked his corners.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed. Yip goes to the net hard. I love that he does that, but he’s certainly not using a superior skillset to do that. He’s working his tail off to get to the right spot and getting rewarded for that. Sometimes it works great, like when he had three multi-goal games last season. Other times, not so much, like when he had one assist in his last 10 regular season games.
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I’m not towing a party line. I’ve never thought Yip was all that and I’ve always thought Gali was better. You just haven’t been around long enough to know that.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 29, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
And Mueller more than proved himself last year. If he’s healthy, there’s no rational reason for you not to be “sold” on him.
15 games
is not enough to prove yourself. It’s a promising start after 120 games of not so solid play (for whatever reason). It’s a promising start, nothing more.
And Galiardi and Yip are pretty much equal offensively, but Galiardi is far superior in his own end. Galiardi is a better player right now.
And yeah, playing 18 year olds with fairly immediate success is the exception, not the rule.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 28, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Advanced Stats
Galiardi has a higher Corsi, Higher Corsi Relative to Quality of Competition, Higher Corsi Relative to Quality of Teammates.
And if you don’t like Corsi, his SF/60 was better than Yip’s (although neither was very good, both among the worst on the team), and his SA/60 was better. In none of these categories is it an overwhelming win for Galiardi, but he edges out Yip, sometimes by a substantial margin, in all of them. And they had pretty much the same zone start stats, so it’s not like Sacco was hiding one or the other in the offensive zone.
And I know you’re going to say that Galiardi had higher quality teammates, and he did, but he also faced substantially tougher competition. Galiardi’s QoT is 0.044 and Yip’s is -0.017, but Galiadri’s QoC is -.017 and Yips on the season was -.051. That’s pretty much a wash.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
re: Mueller – Yep, the sky was falling for you when the trade was made, and you’re still stubbornly (and irrationally) anti-Mueller.
re: Galiardi – Yip is far superior offensively. You can try to cite all the abstract numbers you like, but it’s all BS and we both know that. Regular season, Yip scored nearly as many goals as Galiardi in less than half as many games, and scored points at a higher pace than Galiardi, despite getting 4 minutes per game less than Galiardi in ice time. In the playoffs, Yip was 2nd on the team in both scoring and goals, and scored twice as many points as Galiardi in the same number of games. Those are the relevant offensive stats.
re: Your last sentence – Your statement doesn’t address my argument in any way. You just repeated the statement that I addressed in my response to you. If you have something to offer in response to my argument, I’d like to hear it. But I imagine that if you did, you would have posted it, instead of jamming your fingers in your ears and repeating what you already said.
I don’t know how Jibbs and I can be any plainer in our assessment of Yip’s scoring “prowess”: it’s unsustainable. If he maintained the same shooting percentage (16.9%) over the next season as he did in limited action last season, he would be above current active players (career shooting percentage-wise) such as Holmstrom, Crosby, Thorton, Heatley, Briere, Spezza,St. Louis, both Sedins, Vanek, Semin, etc. He’d be fourth among active players!! He’s going to come back to earth, probably substantially given this is only his second season in the show.
We’re not bashing on Yip or his skills. I think both Jibs and I like his motor, his willingness to do the dirty work in the corners, his propensity for being a good teammate and his weird ability to seemingly mesh with a variety of linemates. We ARE bashing the random occurrences that fell his way last season.
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You’re pretty dismissive of statistics, but you offer no insight or criticism into any stats other than calling them obscure. I am really beginning to think you don’t understand them.
Corsi isn’t all that abstract, it’s just a ratio of the total shots on goal for and against while someone is on the ice. I don’t agree with how some hardcore stats guys use them in player evaluation, but to be completely dismissive without even offereing any kind of particular criticism is foolish. It’s a common tool NHL GMs use for player evaluation.
Regardless of Corsi, SF/60 and SA/60 are not obscure. Not even a little bit. And for Yips scoring rate to be so high, given how well he created shots (which is a much larger sample size than goals, and therefore a more reliable metric) it’s completely unsustainable. To make the case that he’s going to score at the same rate as he did last season means he’s going to be one of the best pure scorers in the game today. And that’s preposterous.
Re: Mueller I’m skeptical by nature. I’m a scientist. Science is founded on a basis of skepticism. Skepticism is not a bad thing, in fact it’s an excellent thing. And skepticism is anything but irrational. I’m skeptical that Yip’s going to continue scoring at a 30g/season rate. I’m very skeptical that Galiardi is a 1st line winger (even though he played it, and played it well for a decent chunk of the season). I’m skeptical that O’Reilly is in for a sophomore slump (he slumped pretty badly under the radar last season). I’m skeptical Wilson is as good as he played the first half of the season. Ditto Quincey. And yes, I’m skeptical that Mueller’s 15 games with the Avs are a true indication of his play when the previous 120 for Phoenix were so bad.
That said, Mueller’s advanced stats are, for the most part, very very good. He seems to have been as unlucky as Yip was lucky. His SF/60 and SA/60 are excellent. There’s a couple red flags there (Tippett clearly protected Mueller, as he had over 60% of his zone starts in the offensive zone, and his quality of competition was very low, especially compared to his teammates in Phoenix).
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 29, 2010 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions
i've got a way to settle this:
you’ve bet us some amount of money Hensick will score 50 points in the NHL next season. I took the under, so did many of us.
I’ll bet you a six pack Galiardi outscores Yip next season. We on?
lol, I was a bit impressed by Hensick in rookie camp a few years ago but there is no way I would have bet 50pts/season in his career.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 29, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
As an unabashed Yip fanboy,
I’ll take your 6 pack bet!
Mine’s gonna be Dale’s Pale Ale.
Name your poison!
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by avalanchejef on Jun 29, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
No, we definitely have a LW issue. Bring in Kovie (the best LW in the world today not named Ovechkin) for the first line, keep Ferris, a very nice 2nd line LW based on last year on the 2nd, put Gali on the 3rd LW (he’s a freakin’ monster at that position, he’s just not got the scoring touch for the 1st line) and put either Highlander or Stoa on the 4th line.
That’s a very solid set of NHL LWs. LEM probably still looks like hell.
Adding a world class player can make a colossal difference. Think the 95-96 Avs win the Cup with Thibault in nets? Yeah, me neither.
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is the least of that team’s worries. They will be in need of RWs and a Goalie (is Weiman is let loose and Cann doesn’t pan out). The Left side has Mercier, Z Cohen, Fritsche, and possibly even Stoa.
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I was supposed to get a newsletter reminding me of his excellence and presence on the team.
Well, I was supposed to….
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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where’s my DAMN newsletter?!
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 29, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe if we got our newsletter we wouldn’t forget about Dr. Jones.
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by Americanario on Jun 29, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Some extra info on Winnik...
has had 7 fights in his NHL career hockeyfights.com had him winning a fight vs McLeod but losing a fight he has against Quincey when he was in LA.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Jun 28, 2010 5:19 PM MDT reply actions
This is all fine and dandy...
but…what about qualifying our RFAs? Isn’t today the deadline? Like…two hours ago? Won’t these guys all be UFAs on July 1st now?
When will the hurting stop?
Yip, Mueller, Quincey and Stewart all received QOs.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 28, 2010 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too. Getting all damn Monforty on our arses.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Trololol
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 29, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Please explain
The team the Monforts own is dead middle in payroll in their sport. I’m not sure how that equates to a cap floor budget. Besides, there’s nothing so terrible I can see about making the finals, or following that up a couple years later with a top 4 conference finish. We could do worse. And have been recently.
I do have the uncomfortable feeling that E. Stanley is looking to run this franchise on the cheap these days, though. Seems to be more interested in acquiring football teams, in both the American and European versions of the game. In the early years of his ownership I thought he understood spending money to make money. Now, I’m not so sure.
To be more mundanely on topic, I’ll take a stab at a slightly updated group of lines as of now…
Ferris – Stastny – Hejduk
Somebody - Dutchy – Stewart
Galiardi – O’Reilly – Jones
Winnik – Hendricks/Porter/(Yelle??) – Yip
Simply don’t have two top two line LWs on this roster right now. Ideally a first liner can be added, if not they really need to add a second liner.
Let's just ignore that first part
I just saw the FanPost on the Monfort subject and it’s been fully covered….
How much flexibility does Winnik give them?? I see he’s listed as a center, but we’ve got some candidates for the 4th line C spot. Could he slide to either wing, depending on where we need him?
I just saw the FanPost on the Monfort subject and it’s been fully covered….
Oh yes it has been. I only brought it here to troll for SDTF.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 29, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Now I know how it feels
for those poor lobsters that get caught in the abandoned lobster traps. The post’s mission was already accomplished, but I still stumbled into the trap.
D’oh!!!
Haha
I imagine you know me well enough to know that trolling me is tougggghhhhhh to do. But knock yourself out =p
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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 29, 2010 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll troll you
and I’ll get away with it too!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 29, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
The window was a one time thing.
I was already frustrated and exhausted and you took advantage of me. Jerk.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jun 29, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I’d complain too much about Beachie taking advantage….
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by Americanario on Jun 29, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Just getting warmed up, babe.
Wait til I move there. roar.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 29, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Love that 3rd line. Porter would be a great 13th forward.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 29, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
That third line does look nice, doesn't it?
It makes me a little happy inside to think about. And it can all be ours, for the very reasonable price of ONE SECOND LINE LW!!!
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I know this is way off the subject but I have really been wondering Why Koci. He is a big guy and I know we don’t get these guys because of their mobility. But Koci, I thought was just a mediocre Enforcer. With Guys like Boogaard, whom nobody seems to wants to fight and Zenon Konopka whom is smaller for enforcers but one of the best. With all the runs on Andy and heavy hits in our stars Koci doesn’t seem to be doing his job with any sort of effectiveness. Can someone enlighten me on this subject
We like to watch our goalie get the crap kicked outta him. Were very odd.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Just thinking to myself, does anyone remember our super badass 14-2-1 or whatever start? I remember Andy getting rolled but I also remember watching him kick some ass as well. A couple of wacks with his stick, straight dumping people who were in his crease and even some of his dives. I don’t remember Andy being so ass-ish toward the end of the season. Am I wrong here?
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Koci was never on the ice long enough to do anything about Andy being run. It was rare he played more then 3:00 in the first period….
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by Americanario on Jun 28, 2010 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Its kinda the point. He was to much of a liability to be out there more.
by avalanchejef on Jun 28, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Angélique is stating that Yip, Mueller, Quincey and Stewie were given QO on her blog.
http://www.avsprospects.blogspot.com/
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Screw the Wings.
not sure that that’s great news though
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 28, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
right. I would have liked to see extensions here instead of QOs
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 29, 2010 5:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it too much to ask Dater to be able to spell the guy’s name right?
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 29, 2010 4:13 AM MDT reply actions
Good News
At least somewhat from Dater’s update last night:
I know all of you want to know what’s going on with the other restricted free agents – Stewart, Mueller, Yip and Quincey. All I can say is, no deals have been finalized yet. I’m pretty sure we’ll get at least one signing by Thursday, but Greg Sherman, unfortunately, isn’t giving me hourly updates on the talks! But don’t worry – none of them are going anywhere. At least, not via free agency.
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The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Is that the good Kostitsyn or the jerk Kostitsyn?
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So they replaced Halak with Ellis? Might be a lateral move…
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but one with far less adverse cap implications methinks.
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