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An Interesting Parallel: '92-'93 Quebec Nordiques

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In the 1992-93 season the Quebec Nordiques made a startling turnaround by making the playoffs after having the second -worst record in the league the previous season. Sound familiar? And just like our Avs the Nords were very, very young. In fact, they were even younger than the Avs with no major players over the age of thirty. Obviously, the 1995-96 Avs went on to win the Stanley Cup, so I thought it might be productive to look at the two intervening seasons and the changing shape of the team.

Star-divide

Similar to the Avs this season, the Nordiques got knocked out of the playoffs in six games in the first round in 1993. And just like all the negative nancys around here are predicting about the Avs, the Nords took a step back the next season and missed the playoffs. In '95 they played well during the lock-out shortened series but were upset in the first round by the New York Rangers. So interestingly enough, two first-round exits were all many of the Avs players had before they won the cup. Basically this is just another warning about getting too excited about our young team. They'll probably take a step back next year but they are moving in the right direction so its important not to get discouraged next year, even if the team misses the cut or gets booted out in the first round again. What really interested me about the '93 Nords, however, was how completely different the team looked by the time they won the Cup in 1996.

The young core that led the Nords in such a phenomenal turnaround included Joe Sakic, Mike Ricci, Scott Young, Valeri Kamensky, Adam Foote and Alexi Gusarov who were on the '96 team there was plenty of other talent on team including Mats Sundin, Andrei Kovalenko, Steve Dushesne, Owen Nolan, Ron Hextall and headed by Pierre Page, who was nominated for the Jack Adams trophy that year. I'm sure fans expected that a lot of those players would help lead the team to the Cup, particularly Sundin as a one-two punch up the center with Sakic and Hextall who was in his prime. So what happened? Sundin was traded for Wendel Clark (who was eventually traded for Claude Lemiuex) and Hextall departed via free agency. Dushesne was traded to St. Louis for nothing much and Page was replaced by Crawford in '94. Nolan was traded for Sandis Ozolinsh and Kovalenko was part of the package that netted the team Patrick Roy and Mike Keane.

The team traded away some promising young talent in order to make a champion so don't be surprised if the Avs look remarkabley different in a few seasons. Am I suggesting we trade Matt Duchene for Shane Doan? No. But I think it is important to keep an open mind about trades in the future. I think the Avs management has earned some trust after last season.  I mean, I was the first one to condemn that trade and curse the Avs management for trading Wojtek Wolski for Peter Mueller but look how it has worked out so far.

So what was the point of all this? Am I calling for the Avs to win the cup in 2013? Well, no, but it is in the realm of possibility. It's just interesting to see what the organization did in this situation eighteen years ago. The 1996 team had different players, no salary cap and the amazing luck of seeing two clutch playoff performers in Lemiuex and Roy have falling out with there organizations. But one of the exciting things about being a sports fan is how impossible it is to predict anything. But its good to feel hope again about the Avs. I imagine that this is how Nords fans felt during the '93 off season.

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Is this also a portent of the team being sold and moved to a different city the year before they win the Stanley Cup? :)

Colorado Avalanche: PROMOTING itchy playoff beards since '10

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Jun 3, 2010 10:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I hate you. Especially for the timing. I am going to have an ulcer here pretty soon.

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"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.

by Bob in Boulder on Jun 3, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

and here we thought the off season would be boring.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 3, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

good article

and I see the parallels as well.

by thedoctor on Jun 3, 2010 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I want a Sakic Nordiques jersey.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 3, 2010 11:11 AM MDT reply actions  

I bought my brother one for his birthday a few years ago.

Home white though. Pretty sweet jersey, and for some reason it was on sale for around $90.

Quitter's People United Member #33
"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.

by Bob in Boulder on Jun 3, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice Analysis

Interesting parallels indeed. I think Sherm’s plan is to give our youngin’ a chance to play and get a better idea of what pieces we have and what we need. Having grown up an Islanders fan I know that being in the playoffs for years is sometimes the pre-requisite to being a dynasty.

In the Sharks case, of course, being in the playoffs simply creates false hope and suicidal disappointment.

by niwotsblessing on Jun 3, 2010 12:12 PM MDT reply actions  

I think you're right.

Feels a little like ’93

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 3, 2010 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Bwahahahahahaha!!

I haven’t clicked on the link and I know what you did there.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

’93 was a very changing year for me. Graduated from high school, turned 18, joined the Navy.

There are two ways of being happy: We must either diminish our wants or augment our means - either may do - the result is the same and it is for each man to decide for himself and to do that which happens to be easier.
- Benjamin Franklin

by tibbar on Jun 6, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aww hell, yet another one that’s younger than me….

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

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by Hopfenkopf on Jun 6, 2010 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another ‘93 graduate. Guess I can’t tell you to get off my lawn…

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 6, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, I’ll be the sacrificial lamb. I wasn’t in high school yet.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 6, 2010 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting for the smartass who wasn't born yet.

Then I’m totally gonna call their mom and rat them out for being up past bedtime.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 6, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Before or after you yell at them to get off your lawn?

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 6, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

After, of course.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 7, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if it's already been said, but

Thanks for Mats Sundin.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jun 3, 2010 3:31 PM MDT reply actions  

FYI: Budaj and Koci re-signed.

(Huet will not be a package with Sharp, and I don’t think Koci had a shift after he boarded Mike Green. The Budaj move I get, but the Koci one… not so much)

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 3, 2010 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent news re: Boods.

What the F*&! re: Koci!?!?!?!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 3, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once again!

We have an enforcer who can’t play or fight! Wtf indeed.

Quitter's People United Member #33
"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.

by Bob in Boulder on Jun 3, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

We might as well have re-signed Peter Worrel.

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 4, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

CANARY!!!!

I have missed you!! School all wrapped up for the summer??

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 4, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

FINALLY!

I have been going non stop for the last month. Finals started last week and finished this week (last night was graduation).
The week before that we were in Reno, Nevada for 4 days attending the State track meet (which our boys team won).
The week before that we hosted the regional/division track meet (two day meet).
The week before that we hosted a large 18 team meet.
Plus all the normal school issues during the final month of school; being a ceramics teacher, I’ve had to fire a kiln 5 times over the last few weeks since half the students wait till the last minute.

Oh a summer break would be nice, but next week we have our Track Camp for grade K-8, then the next week I might have to take a group of 14-16yr old boys (scouting) on their “High Adventure Camp” (6 days on Wheeler Peak – NE Nevada). Then I start coaching Cross Country the end of July and school starts in Aug.
Some please tell me what “summer break” is again?

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 4, 2010 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m exhausted just reading that!!! Congrats on State!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! That’s so awesome! Things are winding down for me. 14 days left! Then it’s pack all my shit up and drive east on I-15 til I-70 baby! I’ve got my peeps talking to peeps in The Organ-I-zation so things are looking pretty good that I’ll be employed soon! =) Thus, I will not have a “summer break” either. It’s actually been 6 years for me since I’ve had more than 2 weeks so I’ve no idea what it really is and thus cannot explain it to you anyway.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 4, 2010 7:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mile High Marketing, Inc. for reals?

too schweet for words!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 4, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’ll be a one woman show….

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 4, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looks like…or PR….I’ll keep ya’ll posted!

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 4, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty soon Beachie’s is going to be too good for us.

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 5, 2010 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

never!

but if they make me choose…..well, I hope you’ll understand. ;-)

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 5, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your such a sell out! ;-)

MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 5, 2010 3:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like you wouldn’t sell out to work for The Organ-I-zation!

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 5, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just keep the sunshine & rainbows under control, ’kay?

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 5, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come on…this is me. It will be BRILLIANT!

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 5, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I can, you know I will.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 5, 2010 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's ok,

Stefka can always come back to play;)

"That F******* sandwich had it coming!" -Mike@MHH

by gl avfan on Jun 5, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 7, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Much more gooderer than last year!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 3, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

wtf why Koci wtf

Budaj I’m fine with…if they play him more.

by thedoctor on Jun 3, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

WHAT?
"David brings grit and toughness to our lineup," added Sherman. "He was a good fit for our team last year."

"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes

by smoky201 on Jun 3, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I miss Sheriff.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 3, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Such nice jerseys! ;)

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 3, 2010 6:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Clean and Simple.
I don’t get the feeling the team may bake a cake at any moment.
I loved the original Avs jerseys, a little bit of me cries when I look at the Sakic, Forsberg, Lemieux, and Roy posters in my room, and then realize when i get a Duchene, he will be donning the pron :(

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Jun 3, 2010 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

article picture

I have seen that picture many times, can someone fill me in as to where it is from??

by aldensmith09 on Jun 3, 2010 9:29 PM MDT reply actions  

The Avs went back and played an exhibition in Quebec against Montreal. The three players still on the team who had worn the Nords jersey wore it that night (I think only during the warm-up) , those who hadn’t still wore the Avs jersey.

Looking for a link for you…

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 3, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beat me to it...

.. it was pre-season of 2001-02 after we had won the cup I believe, or perhaps the year after. But the Habs beat us 4-1 or 4-2. The game was actually played at Le Colisee.

Great photo.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 3, 2010 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which ironically, in the late 90’s the naming rights to the coliseum were bought by Pepsi. Which is now called Le Colisée Pepsi.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 4, 2010 6:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

http://tinyurl.com/nordsjerseyworninquebec

It’s in French so this is the translated version, don’t know if you could understand the French one or not…

It’s not a ton of info just confirms that it’s the 2002 preseason against Montreal in Quebec. It’s actually just a small reference to the game. I can’t find a ton of info on it.

In 2002, the Canadiens had played a preseason game against the Colorado Avalanche and on this occasion, Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote had put their old fleurdelysÚs jersey during the warm-up.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 4, 2010 6:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

That must have been pretty cool for them…kind of like a HS reunion of sorts….but WAY better. lol.

The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!

by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 4, 2010 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I had thought of going, but wasn’t able to get the tickets.

It would have been pretty freaking sweet though. :)

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 4, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

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