Avalanche Offseason Salary Cap Chart
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 4, 2010 9:48 AM MDT
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PrintUnofficial Avalanche offseason salary cap chart, updated with the Quincey and Winnik deals (Winnik is currently the 5th highest-paid forward on the team). Matt Hendricks has moved from "in the mix" to "potential departures".
Avalanche are at about $36.7 million with the 19 players signed we expect to make the team and need to add about $6.7 million to get to the cap floor, which is about what we're estimating for the pending deals to Chris Stewart, Peter Mueller and Brandon Yip. Note that this list has 14 forwards and 6 defensemen on the projected lineup, so there's certainly tweaking that needs to be done, but swapping a low-salary forward for a low-salary defensemen shouldn't change the bottom line too much.
[Update: Tom Preissing's completely illogical buyout is apparently "official" now - it's listed on capgeek - so his non-savings have been updated.]
| Estimated 2010 Cap Hit | 22 | $44,036,667 | |||
| Estimated 2010 Cap | $59,400,000 | ||||
| Estimated Cap Room | $15,363,333 | ||||
| FORWARDS | |||||
| Under Contract: | Term | Cap Hit | Potential Departures: | ||
| Paul Stastny | 4 yrs (UFA) | $6,600,000 | Codey Burki | UFA | |
| Matt Duchene | 2 yrs (RF) | $2,300,000 | Matt Hendricks | UFA | |
| Milan Hejduk | 1 yr (UFA) | $3,000,000 | Darcy Tucker | UFA | |
| Cody McLeod | 2 yrs (UFA) | $1,033,333 | Marek Svatos | UFA | |
| Dan Winnik | 2 yrs (UFA) | $950,000 | Stephane Yelle | UFA | |
| Ryan O'Reilly | 2 yrs (RFA) | $900,000 | Chris Durno | UFA | |
| T.J. Galiardi | 1 yr (RFA) | $875,000 | Brian Willsie | UFA | |
| Ryan Stoa | 1 yr (RFA) | $850,000 | Darren Haydar | UFA | |
| David Jones | 1 yr (RFA) | $837,500 | |||
| Kevin Porter | 1 yr (RFA) | $660,000 | Confirmed Departures: | ||
| David Koci | 1 yr (UFA) | $575,000 | Marty Sertich | Swiss NLB | |
| T.J. Hensick | St Louis | ||||
| Anticipated Signings: | Status | Estimated Cap Hit | |||
| Chris Stewart | RFA | $3,500,000 | |||
| Peter Mueller | RFA | $2,750,000 | |||
| Brandon Yip | RFA | $1,000,000 | |||
| In the Mix | |||||
| Michael Carman | 2 yr (RFA) | $850,000 | |||
| Mark Olver | 2 yr (RFA) | $850,000 | |||
| Justin Mercier | 1 yr (RFA) | $735,000 | |||
| Zach Cohen | 1 yr (RFA) | $735,000 | |||
| Philippe Dupuis | 1 yr (UFA) | $575,000 | |||
| Tom Fritsche | 1 yr (RFA) | $566,667 | |||
| Julian Talbot | 1 yr (RFA) | $550,000 | |||
| Harrison Reed | 1 yr (RFA) | $533,333 | |||
| Greg Mauldin | 1 yr (UFA) | $500,000 | |||
| David Van Der Gulik | |||||
| # | Cap Hit | ||||
| Confirmed | 11 | $18,580,833 | |||
| Estimated | 14 | $25,830,833 | |||
| DEFENSE | |||||
| Under Contract: | Term | Cap Hit | Potential Departures: | ||
| Scott Hannan | 1 yr (UFA) | $4,500,000 | Derek Peltier | UFA | |
| John-Michael Liles | 2 yrs (UFA) | $4,200,000 | Wes O'Neill | UFA | |
| Kyle Quincey | 2 yrs (RFA) | $3,125,000 | Brett Clark | UFA | |
| Adam Foote | 1 yr (UFA) | $1,250,000 | Ruslan Salei | UFA | |
| Kyle Cumiskey | 1 yr (RFA) | $600,000 | Brett Skinner | UFA | |
| Ryan Wilson | 1 yr (RFA) | $551,667 | Brian Fahey | UFA | |
| Tom Preissing Buyout | $916,667 | ||||
| In the Mix | Confirmed Departures: | ||||
| Kevin Shattenkirk | 3 yr (RFA) | $1,300,000 | |||
| Cameron Gaunce | 2 yr (RFA) | $875,000 | |||
| Colby Cohen | 3 yr (RFA) | $875,000 | |||
| Jonas Holos | 2 yr (RFA) | $612,500 | |||
| Kevin Montgomery | 1 yr (RFA) | $593,333 | |||
| Joel Chouinard | 3 yr (RFA) | $566,667 | |||
| Ray Macias | 1 yr (RFA) | $550,000 | |||
| David Liffiton | 1 yr (UFA) | $500,000 | |||
| # | Cap Hit | ||||
| Confirmed | 6 | $15,143,334 | |||
| Estimated | 6 | $15,143,334 | |||
| GOALIES | |||||
| Under Contract: | Term | Cap Hit | Potential Departures: | ||
| Craig Anderson | 1 yr (UFA) | $1,812,500 | Tyler Weiman | UFA | |
| Peter Budaj | 1 yr (UFA) | $1,250,000 | |||
| In the Mix | |||||
| Trevor Cann | 2 yr (RFA) | $875,000 | |||
| Jason Bacashihuha | 1 yr (UFA) | $500,000 | |||
| John Grahame | |||||
| # | Cap Hit | ||||
| Confirmed | 2 | $3,062,500 | |||
| Estimated | 2 | $3,062,500 | |||
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Wasn’t Holos eventually confirmed?
The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!
Holos is on there.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I wasn’t comprehending the chart….got it now. He’s not expected to play on the team….tho he may be in Erie. Right?
The Philadelphia Flyers: Let's do it for Lappy, man. We'll do it for Lappy!
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 6, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
yeppers
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2010 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
roughly
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Avs in Good Shape
The Avs are in good shape. 1) They have plenty of cap space and 2) Not one of the potential departures is a concern. Kevin Porter is the only one of these I’d like to see back on the roster.
I have a little spot in my heart for Durno. Maybe it’s just career 4th liners who give it their all. Who knows.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
me too
and it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he’s easy on the eyes. at all.
seriously tho, i really do like his style, bad penalties aside.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 6, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice work DDC.Thanks!
Catching up on my THN subscription here lately. Read an article on Haydar yesterday from an early January 2010 issue in which THN picked him as AHLer of the Decade. In the article he said that he was disappointed to have not received a shot in the NHL as this is the 4th organization with which he signed in an attempt to make the NHL (Thrashers, Preds, Wings & Avs). He said that he had a great time in the AHL and was pleased to have had the chance to play pro for as long as he has (+/-8years so far), but is definitely headed to Europe next year.
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interesting. I’ll be pulling for him. Really wish he’d had more of a shot here
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
This looks like a lot of work, but I bet it was just nerdy nerd stuff that was done by nerds.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 6, 2010 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions
:)
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 6, 2010 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m hoping that Stewie, Mueller, and Quincey (especially Quincey, that seems very high for him) all come in cheaper than what you have. Meaning, of course, more money for Kovie!
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Jonathan Willis has a post up today about T.J. Hensick probably not returning. He’s got a pretty solid AHL track record, so why isn’t there a spot for him on your club? Is he able to move to RW, cause the Flyers could use a solid RW…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 10:40 AM MDT reply actions
Oh, link to the Willis story
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I like Willis, but he doesn’t really have that story right.
Hensick has had his chances in Colorado and it never really panned out for him. The most likely reason he didn’t get recalled this season is because he was waiver eligible.
I think Hensick is a decent player. He’s shown some spark…and some coasting to be sure. He could still come around. Other players have passed him on the depth chart though and we’re pretty sure his time in Denver is done. I don’t expect the Avs to tender him at the end of the month.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 7, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I noticed he has a 31-game season and a 61-game season in the NHL with rather middling numbers.
The Flyers don’t need a center (hence Matsumoto being bait) but if he is capable of playing RW, I don’t see the harm in trading unwanted RFA center for unwanted RFA center.
I really appreciate the scouting report though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s not exactly true. Hensick was given a chance at a grinder role, and that wasn’t ever going to work out. He’s not that kind of player. Didn’t work for Svatos, didn’t work for Vrbata, wouldn’t work for Hejduk. All have similar skillsets. Hensick was never given a shot at a scoring line role, and wasn’t ever going to be. He was dealt to St Louis, whose AGM has gone on record publicly as saying that Hensick will be given a shot at a scoring line role with the Blues this season. Good for him.
People said that Vrbata was “lazy” when he played a 3rd line role in Carolina and Tampa, but the Yotes put him on a scoring line and he was the balls. People said the same thing about Svatos, but whenever he has played a scoring line role (when he’s been healthy), he’s been the balls. The same will be true for Hensick.
According to DDCs Game Recaps here on MHH...
December 27, 2008 vs. Red Wings
Line 1: Smyth, Arnason, Hejduk
Line 2: Wolski, Hensick, Jones
December 23, 2008 vs. Coyotes
Line 1: Smyth, Statny, Hejduk
Line 2: Wolski, Arnason, Hensick
December 15, 2008 vs. Red Wings
Line 1: Smyth, Stastny, Hejduk
Line 2: Wolski, Arnason, Hensick
November 24, 2008 vs. Ducks
Line 1: Smyth, Stastny, Svatos
Line 2: Willsie, Hensick, Hejduk
November 22, 2008 vs. Kings
Line 1: Hensick, Smyth, Hejduk
Line 2: Stastny, Wolski, Svatos
So that’s just a sampling of games. In that time period, I only found four games that had Hensick on either the third or fourth lines. The rest of the game recaps didn’t have the lines listed or simply said, “Granato ran the same lines.” So Hensick saw plenty of action on the first and second lines during the ‘08-09 season. Given that, I’m sure Sacco ran him on those lines during pre-season to see what he had to offer. Then the coach made the decision about what players would do the best for his team. Hensick wasn’t it. Again, whom would you replace on the first or second line from last year to give room for Hensick??? You’ve yet to answer that question.
On another note, I found a couple of great quotes while going through the old threads. Of course there were the undeniably ridiculous ones about Arnason having a good game which we all know was sarcasm at its finest, but this one was golden:
One of the oddest combinations to fall out in the 3rd period: David Jones skating with Ryan Smyth and Milan Hejduk for 4 shifts.
Perhaps Tony G. wasn’t so dumb afterall….
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
You cited a small handful of games in 2008 when the kid was a rookie. That’s all well and good, but he was never given a shot at a scoring line role last year, despite all the injuries and his excellent season at the AHL level. As I said before, Stewart was sent down explicitly for the reasons that everyone attributes to Hensick’s demotion, yet when in the AHL, Stewart didn’t do anything to earn a promotion, while Hensick definitely did. Sacco is a good coach and he’s entitled to his opinion and he’s the one who has to make those decisions. But you can’t pretend that Hensick was ever given a real shot at a scoring line role, especially last season, and you can’t pretend that Hensick didn’t earn a shot last season.
As for who Hensick should have replaced on a scoring line… Well, first of all, Darcy Tucker was on the 2nd line at the beginning of the season. There is absolutely NO REASON why Tucker should be on a scoring line and Hensick shouldn’t. After that, if it were a situation where Hensick was in the pressbox when everyone else was healthy, that would be one thing. But putting losers like Durno on a scoring line when people are hurt is a slap in Hensick’s face.
In the end, the whole argument is pointless. Hensick was never given a shot at a scoring line role, and he was never going to be. St Louis is on record as saying that they will give him that shot, and Hensick will either prove that the Avs made a mistake in flushing him down the toilet or he’ll be in Sweden by the end of next season. Either way, at least someone will finally give the kid a chance to prove himself.
I don’t recall Durno ever being on the first or second line and besides, he’s not the same role as Hensick so you can’t compare the two. On that note, you cannot compare Stewie and Hensick. Stewart is a power forward, which is as far from Hensick is as you can get. Stewart was recalled before Hensick because Sacco wanted a power forward on the line. These are apples to oranges comparisons.
As for the “he was a rookie” argument….last season, Gali, Duchene, Stewart, O’Reilly, Yip, etc……… were rookies who all earned their spots on their lines way more than Hensick did the prior year. He had a perfect chance to shine, but he didn’t take it. This past year, Hensick played well in the AHL, but by the time that happened, the top two lines were SET and he wasn’t going to crack them. He wasn’t going to be effective on the third or fourth so there was no reason to recall him. It just didn’t make sense.
As for citing a small handful of games….I didn’t feel like looking at the recaps of every single game in the season. Had better things to do with my time. You can feel free to do so, though, and list the lines in a counter-argument.
I will again say that I like Hensick and truly hope he succeeds. This is a great move for both of them in the same vein as the Wolski move. I don’t know much about you and don’t know how long you’ve been around, but if you’ve paid much attention, you know my affinity for Liles is ridiculously high. However, last year when he was hard core in Sacco’s dog house, I wanted him to be traded so that he could get the playing time he deserved. But I also recognized that he wasn’t doing himself any favors sucking it up on the ice and not proving that he had the talent to be a top 2 defenseman like I believe he can be. He made his time in the press box legitimate and his trade value plummet. He did it to himself. I think this Hensick deal falls into a similar category. When he was given the chance, he didn’t show the powers that be he could fulfill his promise on a regular basis. I really, really hope he does in St. Louis. He’s a good kid. I have my doubts though.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
effective affective (damn approaching summer vacation)
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
You can compare Durno and Stewart to Hensick. To say that you can’t is just silly. Yes, they are all meant for different roles, but that’s half the point. Durno isn’t a scoring line forward, yet he was given a couple games on a scoring line this past season while Hensick wasn’t.
And if you think Stewart being a power forward is in any way relevant, you clearly missed my point. Stewart wasn’t sent down because he was a power forward, he was sent down because he was lazy and wasn’t putting in the effort Sacco expected. He was sent down as a way of sending a message to him and lighting a fire under his ass, and it worked. My point, for the third time, is that Stewart didn’t do anything to earn a call-up, while Hensick most definitely did. But Stewart got his call-up and Hensick didn’t.
Stewart wasn’t a rookie last year. Galiardi, Duchene, Yip and O’Reilly earned their spots to varying degrees, but they were also GIVEN OPPORTUNITIES IN ROLES THAT SUITED THEIR GAMES. If you put Duchene on the 3rd or 4th line like the Avs did with Hensick his whole time in Colorado, Duchene doesn’t stick in the NHL and gets sent back to Brampton. There are different types of players and different roles, and trying to pound a square peg into a round hole for 60 games isn’t giving someone an opportunity.
And since you brought up your Liles analogy, let’s flesh it out a little further. So Liles is in Sacco’s dog house, and Sacco decides to use Liles as a 4th line forward. Liles looks like crap, gets benched, then gets sent down. Whose fault is that? Is it Liles’ fault for not playing a physical, grinding 4th line role? Or is it Sacco’s fault for not utilizing Liles properly and giving him the opportunity to earn his way out of the dog house? What if Sacco decided to put Anderson on Stastny’s wing, and Anderson goes out, doesn’t play as hard as he did when he was in net, and scores 20pts on the season? Does Anderson suddenly suck?
Again, I keep saying this, and it looks like we’re in agreement…Hensick obviously wasn’t in the Avs’ plans and he was never going to be given a shot at a scoring line role here. He was moved to a team where he will get that shot.
Where we disagree is when you talk ill of Hensick’s work ethic. I watched the kid play two years at the NTDP, four years at Michigan, and knew people around and in both programs and never once heard anyone speak ill of his work ethic. I see him play parts of two seasons in the NHL out of position, then get sent back to the AHL and display the same skill and hard work that got him to the NHL in the first place. Yet, for some reason I’m supposed to believe that everything I saw in the six years before he joined the Avs and everything he demonstrated this year was a fluke, and that his brief stint in the NHL, played out of position for and by awful coaches, is the true barometer of his effort and ability. Sorry, I’m a big Occam’s Razor fan, and Occam is calling BS on that.
I never said anything about Hensick’s work ethic so you’re getting your people mixed up.
If you put Duchene on the 3rd or 4th line like the Avs did with Hensick his whole time in Colorado,
In my post above, I proved to you that Hensick was put on the first and second lines in the ’08-09 season.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
First of all, playing a couple shifts on a line a couple games in a row isn’t getting a legitimate shot at being on a scoring line.
Second, even if it were the same thing, getting an opportunity with a useless dimwit like Granato who found himself fired for a second time (and shouldn’t have been hired in the first place, much less re-hired) doesn’t mean squat this year. Especially when you’re talking about someone as ineffective a coach as Granato.
Third, you also have to realize that you’re making a claim about Hensick’s ice time on a particular line when you’re also talking about a coach who couldn’t keep from messing with his lines from one shift to the next (which was a big part of his ineptitude and ineffectiveness, and a trait he inherited from his equally inept and idiotic predecessor).
I’m not going to continue to argue about a guy who isn’t even with us anymore. I’m excited to see how he does with a real opportunity, and hopefully he pots a bunch of goals against the Wings every time he plays them.
I’m not going to continue to argue about a guy who isn’t even with us anymore.
And yet you responded two full days later. That’s fucking hilarious.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 29, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
hopefully he pots a bunch of goals against the Wings every time he plays them.
He is a Wings fan. Can’t trust those types. That is the only thing that should matter in this argument.
(Aside from the fact that Hensick got more than a fair shot with the Avs and simply disappeared on the ice far too much to warrant his place.)
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 30, 2010 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Durno isn’t a scoring line forward, yet he was given a couple games on a scoring line this past season while Hensick wasn’t.
When? I don’t remember Durno ever being on a line higher than the third line. Ever.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know this is an argument that can be won.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
I don’t know that there ever is one on MHH that can be. Even the sandwiches put up a damn good rebuttal.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure it can
There’s shift charts on the NHL data bases. it COULD be won, but that’s a hell of a lot of effort to exert.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 21, 2010 1:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Consider it won and done.
http://www3.telus.net/hockeyfiles/3.HTM
Hensick actually scored at fairly similar rates no matter who his line mates were. So that debunks this theory that Hensick needs top 6 minutes to score. (Incidentally, this is hard data that Hensick did get ice time with the top 6 forwards.)
Hensick also averaged ~13 minutes of ice time over 61 games that season. He had his chance and he wasn’t good enough to be a top 6 forward an NHL team excepting the worst of the worst. That doesn’t bode well for a guy whose supposed skill set is being a top 6 scoring forward.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 30, 2010 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow
well done. rec’d
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 30, 2010 7:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Dear Hensick's Biggest Fan:
So, how do we get in touch about that 50 point/$20 bet? I already accepted and I saw others who did, too.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 20, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I can forward you my mailing address or you can use Paypal if that’s easier…
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
he was the balls
I recommend that you delete this phrase from your repertoire. It just doesn’t work for me man. Although for Hensick it makes sense. Big, wrinkly, salty, hairy, hanging on for dear life, old man balls.
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by Cotts on Jun 29, 2010 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not even going to give a description of Arnason’s metaphoric balls. You’re welcome.
by JohnnieWalker on Jun 29, 2010 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions
The comments to that story are LOLzy.
Apparently, our need is not for forwards, but for puck-moving defensemen.
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The hell?
I thought we traded Hensick like a month ago?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
This same thread just gets updated and with new salary cap info. check the dates on all of these comments.
Thanks Joe...
OH right.
I read the “June 7” and thought “Yeah, that just happened!”. I’m dumb.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 6, 2010 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Us? Never!
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 7, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
If by “solid” you mean lazy and soft, sure, he’d be a solid right wing.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 7, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh? I just looked at his stats and he’s got 11 more points than GP in the AHL. Is he really soft and lazy?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Having watched the overwhelming majority of his 101 NHL games,
I’m gonna say,
“Hellz yes” – at least for 4 out of every 5 games.
That being said, he’s a fantastic player. Huge talent, great character. Howsabout we tender him and do a sign & trade for Lappy? Howsabout it?
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Haha, not even close to worth it for Lappy. I’m just shocked that he’s that lazy and soft. I’m suggesting Matsumoto, but Hensick scores more and has a much higher plus/minus. Granted, the Phantoms are terrible, but still.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
The Flyers somehow made Ville Leino look good at the NHL level (at least in the playoffs, anyway). Maybe they can figure out how to get something out of Hensick at the NHL level.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 7, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s what I’m hoping.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't mind Hops
he hates Hensick. I think he needs a change of scenery. He had a lot of promise (I know, cliche term) and a lot of us were incredibly surprised he didn’t pan out. Maybe it was coaching, locker room, style of play, the sucktitude that was the-season-that-shall-not-be-named that did it. Who knows. I’d love to see him make it at the NHL level and do well. And I’m not quite ready to give up on him yet. Stranger things have happened…look at Brad Richardson. He looked AHL bound forever when he was here. Goes to LA and is a freaking star out there. You never know.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 7, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you’re exaggerating my position.
It’s not like Hensuck is Darcy Tucker, Brett Clark, Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Satan himself or anything.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 7, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The Devils made Martin F(*&ing Skoula look like a competent defensemen.
I have a chance of winning a $1 Billion Powerball jackpot.
Then again, maybe PHI has advanced cloning technology. They could clone Lappy’s heart and soul and give Hensuck implants for both as he is lacking those organs.
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So...
…the people here have seen Hensick play. A lot. And the consensus is that he sucks. I understand your questioning that the first couple of times, just to make sure you understand our point, but it seems like you’re asking again and again, maybe in hopes of hearing something different, and we’re not gonna change our answer about the Hensick experience here in Colorado. Just really fucking disappointing.
Agree about Leino, and some of those Phoenix reclamation projects were nothing short of amazing, so maybe it can happen with “Fat TJ” or “Benjamin Button” or (the less commonly used) “good for nothing piece of shit TJ.” Just don’t expect to hear much different, Geoff, than what we’ve already told you.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 7, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, well, I didn’t think I was asking “again and again”. I asked once and then said “I’m shocked that he is”. Sorry if it seemed repetitive.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
someone piss in your ovaltine Dan?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 7, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmmm…it’s true what they say, the internets really can distort things. I was smiling and hugging a unicorn and singing Julie Andrews songs when I was typing my response. Guess that didn’t come across.
And your version isn’t exactly how I saw it:
You: How about Hensick?
Avs Fan: He’s lazy and soft.
You: Is he really lazy and soft (even though Avs fan just said he was)?
Other Avs Fan: I saw him play all of his NHL games and, yes, he really does suck as much as we say.
You: Oh, I’m surprised he’s lazy and soft because (some not-in-any-way-relevant information about his minor league points totals and +/- information inserted here).
Us: We miss Lappy.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 7, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Lappy!
I miss Lappy ;)
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 8, 2010 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions
You should write some recaps next season. I think it would break the world in half.
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I’m not exactly sure what that means, but I think it’s filled with hatred.
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by Dan Winkler on Jun 8, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Trade ya Hensuck Hensick for Lappy.
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by smoky201 on Jun 7, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sadly, no. But I was thinking maybe a swap for RFA centers: Hensick for Jon Matsumoto. If for no other reason than it looks like neither team wants the player back next year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 7, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Hensick is a mixed bag.
+ Great puck skills
+ Great wheels
+ Good vision
+ Good passer
- Doesn’t look like he gives a damn
- Tiny, and plays smaller than his measurables
- Floats worse than Wolski ever did
- Blow on him and he loses the puck
- Tremendous defensive liability
- Doesn’t look to score
- Doesn’t have a good shot
A lot of those minuses, especially the defense and giving a damn parts, were things you thought he’d grow out of. He had huge chances here, a ton of time centering our top 6 in 08-09, and we all know how poorly that turned out.
I won’t say he’s never going to succeed at the NHL level, but I’d put a 95% chance on it. He’s a stereotypical undersized AHL point producer, looks like. I will say he’s almost guaranteed to never work as a winger in the NHL. He has precisely zero strength on the puck and willingness to play along the boards.
Question:
If they’re both AHL level pending RFAs, is there really any point? Neither organization seems to care about letting their guy go, I’d have a hard time believing that either would pull in a boatload more cash than he’s currently making. Why not just let them go to the open market and talk to them then?
What I’ve read about Matsumoto doesn’t give me any feel that he would have value anywhere other than maybe in LEM, so unless PHI wants to give us some value for a sign & trade deal for Hensuck, I’m not sure why either organization should worry its pretty little head at this point.
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same reason we swapped boychuk for hendricks: we know Hensick provides nothing for us right now. Maybe the other guy will with a change of scenery? Probably not, but better than nothing…
I understand, but I think it’s a bit of apples & oranges.
When we made the Boychuk / Hendricks swap, each of them had at least a year of contract term remaining, so it was, in end effect, a situation of trading A for B.
With Hendricks / Matsumoto, they’re both under contract for only the next 3 weeks or so, so it’s more a matter a trading negotiating rights. I guess that I could see somebody having an interest of some kind in Hensick’s rights (though I think they’d be fools if they weren’t an AHL squad), but the negotiating rights to Matsumoto for the next 3 weeks and $2 might get you a cup of coffee – which, btw, is exactly one more cup of coffee than Matsumoto has had in the NHL.
Meh.
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OK, the crux of this might be a misunderstanding of RFA on my part.
If RFAs aren’t signed/tendered by July 1, don’t they then become UFAs? So if neither COL/PHI want to tender/re-sign Hensick/Matsumoto, don’t they just become UFAs?
If not, this whole discussion was just about violins on television (DDC may be the only other person on this board old enough to get that).
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How large of a contract does the RFA tender require, and is that larger than the contract they would get as a UFA? Its possible that they could be signed for less as a UFA.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 7, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Excellent point. I have little/no interest in Matsumoto as anything other than an AHLer (if that), so even if he’s one a two way contract (as he is now), he’d still count against the cap (right?) and a tender does require a premium to the prior contract (don’t know how large a premium), so does PHI like Hensick enough to pay him more than the $850K/year he makes now? If so, let’s trade Hensick for a low (6th or 7th) pick and call it good. Matsumoto can try to catch on somewhere on his own IMO.
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god, I can’t turn my brain off — I answered my own question 2 minutes later. I wouldn’t tendered them if the tender was an NHL contract only, a one-way deal.
So I looked it up: a tender can be 2 way, provided some conditions are met:
(iii) A Club’s Qualifying Offer must be a One-Way Qualifying Offer if
the applicable Player has: (A) actually played (excluding games
missed for injury, illness or disability) 180 or more NHL Games in
the previous three (3) NHL Seasons, (B) played at least sixty (60)
NHL Games in the previous NHL Season, and © not cleared
Waivers in the period between the 12th day prior to the
commencement of the previous Regular Season and the end of a
Club’s previous Playing Season. For purposes hereof only, a
goaltender is deemed to have played an NHL Game when he was
dressed and on the bench as a backup. In all other cases, a
Qualifying Offer may be a Two-Way Qualifying Offer.
Matsumoto might dodge that, but Hensick cleared waivers, did he not? So his tender would have to be one-way, thus making it improbable anyone would take him in a trade. so you’re right!
Matsumoto might dodge that, but Hensick cleared waivers, did he not? So his tender would have to be one-way, thus making it improbable anyone would take him in a trade. so you’re right!
Don’t worry, it only happens once a year or so.
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Hensick didn’t play 180 in the last 3 or 60 last year. his tender should be 2-way.
still don’t think the Avs will tender him. I just don’t see him figuring into their future plans
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 7, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
The league thinks he played 61 games last year. Of course, you probably only noticed him in about 45 (bad giveaways with no heart).
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7 games last year. 61 was the year before that
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 8, 2010 5:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Well the trade to St Louis ends the debate on Hensick. Why is everyone having a fit about Hensick we didn’t lose anything really.
by KingHellfire on Jun 20, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
not cleared Waivers in the period between the 12th day prior to the
commencement of the previous Regular Season and the end of a Club’s previous Playing Season
He would not have to receive a one-way contract because he cleared waivers.
I think the idea is that if you valued the player enough to claim him on waivers from another team, then he should get a one-way deal.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 7, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
He deserves a one-way deal
One way to Cleveland.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 7, 2010 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
WithHendricksHensick /Matsumoto, they’re both under contract…
fixed
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 7, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
i got your back, babe!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 7, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I will be pissed...
if we don’t sign Kevin Porter. I really like his jump and potential on the third line. I’d like to put him and Mercier on a line together. I hope we can keep a hold of him.
by The Extra Attacker on Jun 7, 2010 1:40 PM MDT reply actions
Something I haven’t really noticed being discussed here is the glut of extra 3rd and 4th line forwards. I’m curious who people would like to keep and who would be trade bait or allowed to leave via free agency and who would start the year in the AHL. I’ll limit the list to players who filled that role this season since the list is already pretty long. Assume there are 8 spots available, 6 regulars plus 1 scratch plus 1 Koci (“fighter”).
The List:
O’Reilly
Galiardi
Jones
Yip
McLeod
Stoa
Hendricks
Durno
Mercier
Porter
Tucker
Yelle
My choice:
3rd: Galiardi-O’Reilly-Yip
4th: McLeod-Yelle-Hendricks
Scratch: Mercier
Trade: Jones
Leave via FA: Tucker, Durno
AHL: Porter, Stoa
I don’t dislike Jones, I just think that one of {Galiardi, O’Reilly, Yip, Jones} need to be traded since all are too valuable to be stuck playing 8 minutes a night on the 4th line, and I’m not sure that any of them have the scoring ability needed to play 82 games in the top 6. Since the team has some holes, turn that surplus 3rd line asset into something the team needs.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 7, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
My choices:
Gali – Radar – Jones
Highlander – Hendricks – Yip
Scratch – Porter / Durno
AHL – Porter / Durno, Mercier, Dupuis, Stoa
Retire – Yelle
Detroit (for hate consolidation purposes) – Tucker
I think that your desire to trade Jones is premature as he hasn’t shown anything but flashes due to a string of unrelated injuries. I think that he has strong potential to be a top 6 winger and with his talent still mostly a function of potential as opposed to proof, I don’t think that we can maximize value for him and think that he probably ends up in the top 6 either by virtue of his own play, injury or both.
Keeping proven NHL level ability, even checking line ability and even if it has to be kept in the A for a while, is really important (just look at how huge a factor depth has been in this year’s playoffs) and most of those guys can be had for at or near league minimum. We’ve seen injuries decimate the Avs and MANY other teams in the last few years. I say we plan for the same.
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I know it won't happen but...
I hope that Yelle gets a contract- even if for a limited role. He has less than 10 games to 1000 and a silver stick. He does have 2 cups with the Avs, but has never gotten a league award. At this point in his career – that’s all he’s got left. It would be nice if he could do that with the Avs. I’m just not sure he could crack the line-up right now.
I wouldn’t mind seeing ole Yeller back either.
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I want him back. Better him than Tucker.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 8, 2010 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Better Dorothy Hamil than Tucker (she doesn’t fall down as much and has better hair).
What’s your point?
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Well,
If that’s all that’s needed….
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 10, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
agree
Actually, I thought Yelle brought some checking to the table late in the year, something this team needs more of. Even if he’s a healthy scratch on many nights, it would still be nice to have him for depth.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 9, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
It would make more sense to trade Galiardi than it would to trade Jones. Galiardi has more value, but not more skill or ability. Jones is bigger, skates a lot better and plays a more physical game. The Avs would have a much easier time filling a hole or gaining a valuable asset by dealing Galiardi than by dealing Jones, and giving Jones Galiardi’s minutes would strengthen the team in a lot of ways.
You make that 3rd line Jones-O’Reilly-Yip, and that’s a line with two hard-hitting wings and a shutdown center. And that line has definite scoring ability, with two wings who have proven that they can score goals and a center who has a history of being a solid playmaker. That would be the best third line we’ve had in a LONG time.
after seeing Galiardi get under the skin of the Sharks in the playoffs, I’m not moving him. Not that I’d want to move Jones either, but Galiardi is staying for sure if I’m in charge
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2010 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I’d rather trade Yip than either of them personally.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Hell no. The Avs have absolutely no reason to trade Yip. Galiardi is a dime-a-dozen 3rd line plugger. He should be dealt before other teams realize this.
The reason the Avs lost to the Sharks is because they weren’t out there working like the Sharks were, and they weren’t physical. It’s no mistake that our two most physical forwards scored more goals in the playoffs than the rest of our forwards combined. Trading Yip would be stupid – he’s the hardest working and most physical wing we’ve got (besides McLeod, but he’s a 4th line plugger at best).
The reason the Avs lost to the Sharks is because they weren’t out there working like the Sharks were
And you want to trade Galiardi??? Were you watching the same playoff series I was? Even the SJ announcers were commenting on how much of a beast Gali was night in and night out.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any combination of three of those four would make a brilliant 3rd line. I like that Galiardi is more of a pest than the other three and his playoff performance was outstanding. I like the fearless in Yip’s game, the way he’ll fly down the slot like there isn’t a defenseman with a 4 inch height advantage waiting to lay him flat on the ice. It seems like Jones might be the most skilled of them, but of all of them his injury history is the most worrisome.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 21, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it just me?
Gali reminded me a bit of Hinote during the playoffs.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
If Hinote (and God love him), were bigger, meaner and faster – yeah.
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I just meant the way he got under people’s skin. Hinote skated around with a big target on his back..
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 21, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
updated.
I’ve also made it a featured thread so it shows up on the right-hand menu
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 19, 2010 8:52 AM MDT reply actions
Neat. I was wondering where we could find it since last time around you said you made a page for it.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 19, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
can we rename it
Leaving room for Kovie?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Hejduk
I think the Avs need to get Hejduk in a contract that has him here for 3-4 more years. He has it in him.
Not sure his knee has that long…I hope it does, but I’m not betting my Euros on it.
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by Americanario on Jun 19, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that the reason Hejduk only signed a one year extension last off-season is because he plans to take a similar approach to Sakic in his final years and take it year by year, evaluating his performance and physical condition at the end of each season, which is an ideal situation for the player and an ideal situation for the team.
However, this would probably be the last chance that Hejduk has at a multi-year contract with the Avalanche. He’s currently 34. Any contract signed when a player is 35 or older counts against the team’s cap regardless of whether or not he’s on the roster (e.g. in the minors, retired…unless that the team can prove that a player retired because of injury/physically unable to play as opposed to retiring because of age).
Last off-season and before he signed his current 1 year/$3 million extension, I suggested signing Hejduk to a long-term regressive contract, paying him $21 million over 7 years and taking him to age 40.
I think that this is a situation in which the Avs could use a regressive Zetterberg model long term contract. Something like:
2010-11: $4.5 million (age 34)
2011-12: $4.5 million (age 35)
2012-13: $4.5 million (age 36)
2013-14: $2.5 million (age 37)
2014-15: $2.5 million (age 38)
2015-16: $1.5 million (age 39)
2016-17: $1 million (age 40)That’s a total of $21 million over 7 years for a very manageable cap hit of just $3 million.
It’s accepted that he took a home team discount with his previous contract ($19.5 million over 5 years; $3.9 million cap hit) which gave them the cap room to sign Andrew Brunette in the first place. I would love to see Hejduk retire as an Av.
Of course, the one year extension that he ended up signing brought him down to the same $3 million cap hit that I thought it would take to get a long-term, regressive deal in the first place. So, offering a multi-year contract with his current salary as a starting point could bring the cap number down even further, should the Avs project their cap calculations ahead to years when they’ll have to re-sign guys like Duchene and O’Reilly.
I also ended up being wrong about his injury problems as he played in a career low 56 games this past season:
I’m also not overly concerned about any injury problems. The reoccuring strained back which has caused him to miss a game here and there may be a concern. But, he has really only had two major injuries in his career: right knee surgery and a strained abdomen (sports hernia?). He’s played over 80 games in 7 of his 10 NHL seasons and played 77, 74, and 62 in the other 3 seasons. Sure, his point totals will dip as he ages. But, he should remain a serviceable veteran on the team if he chooses to play that long.
But for as much talk as has been made about how injury-prone Hejduk’s been, I think that I still illustrated that that hasn’t been the case. He’s played a lot of games. True, he had the same knee operated on once already five years ago. Looking back at this season, he probably could have had the knee surgery sooner, missed fewer games instead of being in and out of the line up, and even represented his country in the Olympics.
Looking at his injuries throughout the years, the abdominal injury was the only other one which caused him to miss significant time. His post-season concussion is a worry, as concussions always are. But other than that, show that he’s only missed a game here and there because of the flu or an ailing back.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 20, 2010 2:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I can put a finger on why, I just don’t think he has the desire to play until he’s 40. I think he’s nearing the end. I hope I’m wrong.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2010 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought his knee was bothering him enough that he was thinking of retiring soon.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2010 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions
The issue isnt missing games, Hejduk gets hurt constantly and plays hurt constantly. When he’s 100% he’s still incredible but so often you can see he just isnt playing properly. The constant injuries have got to be taking a mental toll on the guy, I doubt he plays more than another year after this.
I think Hejduk is a lot like Sakic in the sense that he’s not going to play another year if he can’t bring 100% both because he won’t feel satisfied by his own performance and it wouldn’t be what’s best for the team. So I suspect he’s going to go year by year after this season so he can evaluate his physical condition and readiness to play.
Keep playing for as long as you can and for as much as you can, you big pile of Bertuzzi, cuz that paycheck ain't gonna be yours for long.
by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 20, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you’re right. He had a great career, but at some point it’s time for him to move on so we can get some young blood in his place. I don’t want to see him hanging around for a couple seasons past his usefulness like Foote is doing.
Foote is not playing “past his usefulness” , he is playing a different role. When he played the rest of the D seemed a lot looser and played much better than when he was out.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jun 20, 2010 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Not to mention he is the only d man who can still intimidate opposing forwards. Not to mention his leadership qualities and work ethic.
by KingHellfire on Jun 20, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, the role he is currently playing is “defenseman playing well past his usefulness, whose slow feet cannot keep up with even the slowest of opposing forwards, and whose turnstile-like defensive play costs the Avs deciding games of playoff series”.
He was a great player. Eight years ago. I’m sentimental about his glory days just like every other Avs fan. But those glory days have long passed. Now he’s just an old, useless coot who doesn’t know when to hang em up.
Well Foote is very useful. Lets also not forget for much of his career earlier on he had Blake, and Bourque so he got much weaker qualcomp. He just does what he has always done play hard and hit hard. He is also a big help to the otherwise young d corp. By young im referring to Cumiskey, Wilson, and Quincey. While Liles is borderline young.
by KingHellfire on Jun 20, 2010 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Foote actually played most of his career with out either Bourque of Blake. Bourque was trade to CO in March of 2000, and Blake in Feb of 2001. Foote has played (Quebec) since 1991-92 season so he played almost 10 seasons with out either of those guys. He only played 1 and a partial season with Bourque, and Blake 3 and a partial seasons.
Most of his career he played with guys like Gusarov (10 seasons), Deadmarsh (7 seasons), Ozolinsh (5), Lefebvre (5), Leschychyn (6), Klemm (8), E. Messier (7), A. Miller (6), de Vries (5).
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by Americanario on Jun 21, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where does Julian Talbot fit in? Shouldn’t he be listed under potential departures since he’s a pending UFA? Also, Is Codey Burki a UFA? Was he not qualified? I thought that he was still an RFA.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 29, 2010 6:46 PM MDT reply actions
I thought I read somewhere on Dater’s twitter that Burki was not given a QO.
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yeah Burki, O’Neill and Peltier reportedly weren’t tendered.
not sure where to put Talbot. He’s a pending UFA, but I think he’s going to be re-signed, so I don’t think he’s a “potential departure”. But I can’t put him “in the mix” because he’s not signed and I don’t think he’s quite an “anticipated signing” yet either. so he’s going to sit in limbo for now.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 29, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Hi
Dater said the following UFAs are supposed to leave Denver (just like this MHH article), so who will most likely replace these individuals?
Marek Svatos, Darcy Tucker, Chris Durno, Brett Clark and Ruslan Salei
If you guys know who will replace them, do you know if those players will be any better? I don’t know, so that’s why I’m asking. I’m looking forward to seeing if the Avs sign any new UFAs, but on the other hand, I’m not sure who would fit best…not Kovalchuk. Avs don’t need Kovalchuk. That’s just too much money with too many questions involved, based on what I’ve seen.
Sorry
I forgot the hit ‘reply’, ‘cause it’s been a few months since I’ve been on MHH. Do you guys still frown on that, or does it not matter?
What’s the reason for that rule? I assume it has something to do with that guy, Jibblescribbits, since you always type ’Jibble’d’ when it happens.
Anyway, I looked up some website on UFAs, and I noticed Frolov was on the list. Does anyone know if he’s available, or if he’d be worth the money? Some other website said the Kings wanted him, but they weren’t sure if they could match the money the Russian leage would pay (tax-free money). By the way, since I mentioned Kovalchuk not being worth the money, I since noticed that same UFA website said he was paid 7.5M last season. If that’s the case, if that’s all he wants, maybe he’d be worth the money (considering Stastny’s already paid almost that much).
Another thing...
…I just realized a minute ago. Maybe Winnik and Mueller have penalty-killing chemistry, both being from Phoenix. Supposedly, based on what I’ve heard, Winnik has a good slapper. Well, doesn’t Mueller have a good slapper, too? The trade articles had the Avs leadership talking about what a good penalty killer Winnik will be for the Avs, and I’m pretty sure Mueller was also pretty good at it last year. Am I right?
I don’t know what a good slapshot has to do with penalty-killing, but I know it has to be good for power-play. That’s what I was thinking, regarding the slapshot, a good power-play. I think Mueller was used on the PP, for his slapper. I don’t even know if he was used on the PK…can’t remember.
may I cut in?
Svatos, Tucker and the rest weren’t really an integral part of the team last year, so it’s not really so much a matter of who replaces them. it’s more like “who can we spend their money on now that they’re gone”. Kovy is worth the money, IMO (article on that coming up later this morning), Frolov is available and “may” be worth the money (that’s also in the article).
Winnik did kill penalties last year and was pretty good from what I read. Mueller did not. As you said, Mueller was really good for us last year on the PP, mostly because of his potent shot from the point.
and yes, Jibblescribbits is the original jibbler – failing to hit reply. many others imitate, but few do it as well as he does
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 30, 2010 5:45 AM MDT up reply actions
No on Fro, No on Fro, No on Fro!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jun 30, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
nicely done
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 30, 2010 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Ok one of you CBA-loving people explain
I was going to read the CBA rules on buy-outs but studying for the Bar is taking up my time. How little could we pay a bought-out player? I just wonder how much it would cost to sign the Cheechoo train.
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I don’t think there’s a minimum (other than the league minimum) is there? once he’s bought out, he’s a free agent.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 30, 2010 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I just wonder how much it would cost to sign the Cheechoo train.
Why?
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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 30, 2010 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 30, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
although I’d take a chance on him for the minimum. No reason to do another Tucker here
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 30, 2010 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Looking at those numbers, we have a lot of guys that have deals ending in the next couple years that are due a lot of money. Just next year we have to pay Cumisky, Wilson, Gali, Jones, and other lower level players (Stoa, Porter, etc.) . I think it’s smart to stick with the current plan because we don’t know how much it’s gonna take to sign these players in the future. Even though we all want to sign the high priced player(s) now we don’t know how close we will be to the cap in the next couple years. And personally, I like our players too much to have to trade them all away like the Blackhawks because we signed somebody now long term that we wouldn’t be able to get rid of.
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You're not the first one to say this
But i’m curious at how much people think guys like this are going to get paid?
Cumiskey and Wilson are penciled in as 3rd pairing defensemen. And if we want to give one of the young guys a chance (Shattenkirk) then they will be healthy scratches… like they were last season. I don’t think occasionally healthy scratched D-men tend to get paid a whole lot of money.
Jones has 3 injury plagued season, and I’m pretty sure Galiardi will be an arbitration eligible Free Agent at the end of his deal, which means that he doesn’t quite have the bargaining power to get a huge contract. That’s not to mention that Galiardi likely isn’t a 1st liner to begin with.
I just don’t see how those guys are going to take up all our cap space unless the Avs hand them really bad contracts.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 4, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
And if many of these guys don't pan out
We can just follow the Columbus model of sucking for years and years. I’d rather go Chicago’s route, only not as bad as they did. We don’t have two Dutchies on this team. Nor any franchise type defenders like Chicago has. We can continue to overestimate and overpay from within, or we could be active and try to compete for the cup. Those are the two choices. It looks like we are choosing the former. Until we sign Kovie in the next few days.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 4, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree but...
I think this year is a little to early to start signing the big name free agents (Sorry BIB). Let the talent we have develop a couple more years before we go guns blazing with the free agents. Of course having said this I would have absolutely no problem with Kovie signing with the Avs (at a reasonable cap hit)
I agree, we do have Hannan and Foote and their combined almost 6mil coming off the books next year and that would seem like the perfect time to make a splash. Let the kids develop one more year with each other and analyze our needs at that point. Honestly, with our current defense I don’t think it matters if we sign somebody now because I don’t think we’ll be cup contenders just yet
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Its not just about when the team has the cap space to spend. Its also about when there is a player available who is worth the cap space. Now isn’t the best time for the Avs to spend on a high salary UFA, but there is no Kovie next year.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 7, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Just echoing Jibs and Bibs here – what if we don’t want to re-sign these guys? Who actually has made up their mind yet that Cumiskey and Wilson and Jones and Stoa and Porter are players we want to stick around on a team that we hope contends for the playoffs and the Stanley Cup? Cumiskey had a mediocre year, Wilson was tentative after the concussion, Jones has bad luck with injuries, Stoa seems slow, and Porter is average to below average, at best. If we really need guys like that, we can get them from anywhere in the league. Wilson and Porter came to us from other organizations (gasp! not building from within!), so they’re basically someone else’s rejects.
Let’s take a step back and remember that we need to upgrade talent. Seems like Cumiskey’s been around forever, so we just think of him as being in the mix, but maybe (yes, definitely) we could do better. This team, as currently structured, isn’t a Stanley Cup contender; in fact, it’ll struggle to get into the playoffs. Why would I be worried about re-signing some spare parts in a few years when I could go after a dynamic forward and a crusher on the blueline (Sutton) and compete right away?
Finally, in the spirit of the day, I’d just like to say, “Suck it, England!”
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 4, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m all for trading Cumiskey. It seems like his value is still high enough that he can bring a reasonable return, but I doubt that his value will hold much during this year. These last two seasons I’ve only been able to watch highlights on NHL.com from the games and as far as I can tell Cumiskey is a terrible defenseman. So sell while the stock is high!!
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I’d just like to say “Happy independence day to you.”
And, I agree with signing Sutton. Although, I am not an expert.
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DDC..
You still have the cap wrong, next years cap is confirmed as 59.4 Million..
thanks, updated
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 4, 2010 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Wasn’t the Preissing buyout confirmed? 2/3 of his remaining $2.75 million contract is $1.815 million. Spread out evenly over 2 years, that’s $907,500 per year. Although, it seems like looking at some other buyouts listed on cap geek (O’Sullivan’s listed on the Phoenix page, for example), teams are able to front load the buyout cap hit and pay more the first year and less the second year. As it stands, it seems like we can assume that at least $900k will count against the cap this year for a Preissing buyout.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 4, 2010 11:34 AM MDT reply actions
Capgeek is now showing the buyout. wasn’t there this morning when I updated
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 4, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
DDC, how can Preissing's buyout be completely illogical
1) we have an internal budget holding us back, and this saves money against that
2) the cap won’t be a factor for this team for the 2 years the buyout affects us.
3) it frees up a spot in LE for development
I mean, I get that it’s not what a team hell bent on winning now and spending to the cap would do. But it’s far from illogical. In fact, it might even help the team’s competitiveness with .9m more to spend before they hit their internal budget…
I think the whole “having a ridiculously low budget” part is what I find illogical.
Preissing is the first guy I can think of who has been bought out solely to eat cap space.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 4, 2010 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
How bad must you be....?
To have a team pay you not to play for them, or indeed, even be on their roster?
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well...
the maple leafs bought out Darcy Tucker, so I guess that’s not always the case. Er, nevermind…
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09
Be honest,
He wasn’t horrible in the A. Just wasn’t making AHL money.
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