Patience
Rampant lamentations about Greg Sherman and the Avalanche front office game-plan of doing their best Osama impersonation by hiding away in a cave of silence and inactivity this free agent season have dominated our site of late (well, that and some Russian sniper toying with our emotions at every turn!!). Free agency is often over blown with hype anyway, but this year does seem to be even more of a downer than we've become accustomed to. Like many fans, I was a tad disappointed that the Avalanche weren't making a huge splash and making visible efforts to improve the team RIGHT NOW - but that's because I'm fan and patience is not a virtue many of us have in spades. I want my instant gratification and I want it now! Stanley Cup, just add water.
But as the dull days of this underwhelming free agency period sludge by, I'm beginning to come around to the Avs "plan". Often times people criticize an organization for "playing it safe" or "following the crowd". I'll play devil's advocate and suggest that what the Avalanche are attempting here is both bold and refreshing, if not completely boring.
In the time of quick fixes (plastic surgery, the Kovalchuk trade to the Devils, the dreaded Snuggie, etc.), it is the Avalanche who have taken the boldest stance by rejecting the old "buy your way out of the cellar" remedy, by orchestrating their own plan, foundation, and recipe to restore the franchise to it's former glory. I could be dead wrong, and maybe it is all about the money, but I'm trying to bring some optimism to these listless days of lethargy.
Exhibit A: Joey Hishon
I was watching the draft via an illegal online TSN feed, and I was even composing a post about how great Emerson Etem was as the 17th overall pick by the Avalanche. I had it all ready to post with videos, stats, breakdowns, and photos. Then, Greg Sherman came to the podium and introduced the scout or whoever that would announce their pick. As my finger proudly hovered over the "publish" button and I sat ready to bask in my infinite wisdom and prediction prowess, they announced "Joey Hishon". To say that the Staples center went crypt quiet would be an understatement. Joey Who? From what team? Which league? Huh? WTF!!
Even the TSN announcers stammered as they struggled to spew out some stats or scouting reports. The experts were befuddled. When the Avs announced their pick, you could detect a bit of a knowing smirk on their collective faces as they pulled a pick from left field. They were supremely confident in their pick. They didn't care what anybody else thought. They had their ideas and evaluations of players and didn't give a second thought to Central Scouting's Rankings or media hype. The Avalanche organization developed their own criteria for what they are looking for in players, and it appears that they will stick to their guns no matter how long the rebuilding process takes.
"There are certain traits we use in our evaluation of players that are very important to us, and compete, skill and instinct are major components. Joey fit the bill. Opinions are varied, depending on which list you're looking at, but for us it was right on pace." - Rick Pracey, Avalanche Chief Scout
So despite all the lamenting over the Avs not pursuing big names or stars this free agency summer, and their seeming procrastination in re-signing Stewart and Mueller, I propose we give the Avalanche the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what they can drum up when left to their own devices and schedule. Patience is a virtue. And with the quality job they've done with recent picks this year and last, AND the astute signing of Craig Anderson last summer, I believe they've earned our patience. Just a little patience.
Of course, if patience takes you from that (above), to this (below), then screw patience. Lets give them 3 more days to re-sign Stewart, then we charge Speer Blvd and burn down the Pepsi Center.

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Are you implying Tyler Arnason is bad?

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I don’t have a lot more to add (I think the Avs are being tight with $, not patient but we will see).
I will say that this is only Pracey’s second year as head scout. Last year he basically fell in line with central scouting to the letter. Duchene and O’Reilly were essentially no brainer picks. HIs goaltenders in mid round selections did not have great years last year, while the defensive guys he picked up in Elliot and Barrie were excellent (and I think pretty much right in line with their central scouting ranks when picked). The only interesting chance they took was with Gus Young. But fliers in the 7th round out of high school aren’t exactly sure bets anyway. If Gus Young does do well enough to get a cup of coffee with the AHL or NHL then that’s a pretty darned good scouting job. We won’t know on Young for a while as he’s just entering the NCAA.
This is Pracey’s first big call on a guy with Hishon. He took ownership of a draft and took the guy he wanted. I find that refreshing and scary. Hishon could be great, I love his vision and play-making that I’ve seen on video. I find the fact that most of his play is on the outside scares me. Smaller guys in the NHL seem to do well when they weave in to the high traffic areas. Players just can’t skate around the outside of NHL defensemen and make plays like they can in lower skilled leagues. NHL D are just too fast with great reach to let that happen. We shall see.
One last thing, we are going to know if Hishon is a good pick pretty quickly. Pracey has got a lot of confidence to choose a guy “off the board” when he’s playing in the OHL. We’ve seen the Kings and some other teams take some flyers on high school guys going to the NCAA. Those scouts give themselves some breathing room when they take chances, but Pracey will know if he’s got a 1st round calibur player THIS year.
I don’t have a lot more to add
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Only by the POSITIVE words!
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by UZ on Jul 13, 2010 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Misunderstanding
They pay by the Monosyllabic word.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
3 paragraphs IS short for Dario. I remember when his post used to be a page long. ;-)
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by Americanario on Jul 13, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
What would you consider to be a success this year for Hishon? To your point, he may play well in the OHL and have trouble in the Pros. I think it would be a good sign to see him score 50+ goals and 100+ points though.
This season
He seems to be in love with, well advanced stats. Hishon was high on the statistics boards, so was Pickard. (Puck Prospectus had a post about it before the draft). In fact almost every pick he made was in line with the rankings there. It should be interesting to see them develop.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Might MHH have to revise its general position on Corsi??
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Corsi is a great tool, one of the best available to hockey stats people. some people use Corsi beyond its limits. that’s my position.
Agree
It bothers me when people ignore factors such as Special Teams and Goaltending. Those are significant parts of the game that can’t be overlooked. Corsi does.
Stats people don’t like Kovi much, because his defensive deficiencies means he only gets about an even Corsi. I think this really overlooks his contributions to the powerplay, which are pretty substantial (and the fact he’s been on an awful team his entire career)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
There was at least one good year with Atlanta. They just couldn’t get it done.
05-06
Kovalchuk – 98 pts
M Savard – 97 pts
M Hossa – 92 pts
Kozlov – 71 pts
Bondra – 39 pts
Modry – 38 pts
Holik – 33 pts
A Sutton – 25 pts
Lehtonen – .906
“good” is kind of a relative term. I mean they were 5th in the east… good enough for 8th in the West. They had an average season though…
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Really
Kozlov is good, so was Savard and Hossa. But that team wasn’t very good outside those three. I’m pretty sure they were crappy because of Atlanta management, not Kovi.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I think we agree there. Maybe it was coaching or chemistry but the simple fact is, very good players couldn’t get it done together, which could reflect poorly on all of them (to a small extent). This is the sort of thing that scares me about Kovi, he doesn’t strike me as a player that can lead a team to victory. And, if we are going to spend a lot of money on a player, I would prefer that be a characteristic (even if they put up less goals).
I get that, but I’m not looking for a leader (even though it must be pointed out, Kovi was a captain for the Russian team that just took silver in the World Championships, and was tourney MVP in the 2009 tourney, when the Russians took gold)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
More..
Forgot to add what I was going to add:
Kovi doesn’t need to be a leader. O’Reilly, Duchene, Quincey, Shattenkirk will grown into leaders (maybe Stastny too).
In the meantime they have Foote.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually the coach was Hartley and he proved he could get it done, with the right players. It could have been the coaching staff in general though.
Lehtonen
a .906 save % isn’t very good. It may have just been that Lehtonen wasn’t good, and Lundqvist was…
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
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Lehtonen playoff save %: .849
Lundqvist: .924
I’d say that’s the difference right there. And he was very young that season.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Are we looking at a different season? I’m looking 05-06 on hockeydb.com. It shows Lehtonen as .906.
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0017902006.html
Playoffs
I was looking at the playoffs from ’’97 (the only year they made them) and the Thrashers only decent team
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you mean 06-07 season instead of "97 (They didn’t exist yet). Lehtonen’s regular season save pct was .912, which isn’t too bad. I still think the better team (lineup wise) for them was 05-06.
yes
’07.. typo…
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, the Devils totally suck
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by UZ on Jul 14, 2010 5:37 AM MDT up reply actions
was O’Reilly really a no brainer? I was under the impression that he was considered a pretty big reach at the time.
I thought there where a number of people who expected him to go in the first round? So the Avs were very surprised when he was still available….
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by Americanario on Jul 13, 2010 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
was a tad disappointed that the Avalanche weren’t making a huge splash and making visible efforts to improve the team RIGHT NOW
I don’t know about a huge splash, but I would settle for something to make our piss-poor defence a little better ;)
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This Kovie signing drama has lasted several days longer than every one of his playoff appearances!
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by UZ on Jul 14, 2010 5:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Plain and Simple
Don’t charge outrageous ticket prices if you are only going to put a Cap floor team on the Ice!!!
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by UZ on Jul 14, 2010 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder how many people here have been hockey fans before the Avs moved to town, and/or have watched another sports team go through a building/re-building process like this?
I grew up an Islanders fan and we suffered for years with playoff losses, despite the presence of future All-Stars on the roster. Building that dynasty took time, patience, luck in the draft, and key FA signings. Worth it? Four consecutive Stanley Cups and an NHL record 19 consecutive playoff series victories says yes.
PS- Draft luck- Mike Bossy falling to the near bottom of the first round because, in the immortal words of one NHL scout “all he can do is score.”
and key FA signings.
And what have the AVs done to address this area this year??
Let the new season begin already!!!
This year? What aspect of “patience” is unclear here?
The timing has to be right. In the case of the Islanders the key was a trade at the deadline for Butch Goring, who brought in the necessary tenacity, the first Cup was won that year. But the other pieces need to be in place or the slot for the key addition isn’t open yet. The Avs need two seasons minimum to assess their young forwards and the defensive prospects. Bringing in FA’s this year is a complete waste, and that’s why the Avs management is not making any of the moves people are clamoring for.
What they have done though is created a much better AHL team, they are working on improving the organization as a whole.
by niwotsblessing on Jul 13, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
"all he can do is score."
Describes a certain Russian without a team perfectly, fwiw
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
agreed, and if that player were to come up through the Avs system the other players on the team might accomodate that style better. But IMO, if you bring a player like that onto a team like the Avs that’s trying to build chemistry around teamwork and accountability, Kovalchuk has the potential to not just be a negative impact, but to utterly decimate everything the Avs are trying to build….. The payoff if it works is big, but the risk isn’t worth it to me.
I don’t understand this argument. the Avs #1 center is a passer, and #1 RW is a go to the net, get the rebound, dig the puck out of corners guy.
The Avs #2 Center is a guy who draws defenders to him creating open space for his teammates.
Kovi fits perfectly with those two. The only avs I don’t see him meshing well with, stylistically, is Hejduk. But Hejduk isn’t the one people are afraid he won’t mesh with.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Who Cares
He’s not coming to the AVs besides I would rather make a move for Sharp!!
Let the new season begin already!!!
True
I have already moved on to lusting for Alexander Semin when he becomes a UFA next season.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah
Part of the reason is all the jokes.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Semin Scouting Report:
Assets:
Flaws: Tends to get in opponents face too much, pulls out of offensive zone too early with fear of getting caught in the crease, get’s on his teammates backs at the end of games, becomes very irresponsible after too much stickhandling,
Awards:
Someone else finish, I gotta go.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 7 recs
beautiful
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 13, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Assets: Tends to produce at a profligate rate.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 14, 2010 5:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m talking about his poor defensive play rubbing off on guys like Stewie, Mueller, and even Duchene to some degree. that and the potential impact of a high priced prima donna creating issues with young guns who thing they were going to be the focal point.
From a pure offensive skill standpoint, you’re absolutely right, he’d fit well, but that’s not what I’m talking about.
Really?
I think “poor defensive play rubbing off on guys” is a myth. I mean Minnesota was pretty good defensively despite Marion Gaborik. And it didn’t seem to affect the Devils when Kovi was on the team, since they want him back and all.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
That certain Russian is not the team player, nor the goal scorer, that Mike Bossy was.
by niwotsblessing on Jul 13, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I keep hearing he’s not a team player, but as far as I cal tell this is all because someone said he’s not a team player.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
it was me, I also started the rumor that Mark Messier is gay and that Dion Phaneuf puts a smilley face on his i when he writes checks.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
No, Dion Phaneuf puts an “I leave my feet” when he writes checks.
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Classic
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Hey UM, Puck Daddy just compared you to the NHLPA: here
Are you going to put up with that?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 16, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a theory
Now granted this is just a theory and it is not a conspiracy. After this season Anderson will be an UFA if he doesn’t pull a Tim Tomas or Huet and is a beast like he was last season or even slightly improves he is going to be due a very big raise. If the Avs Brass go with this approach and are waiting out the storm to see if we will have a very reliable goaltender to grab a hold of and keep until he retires. Then I would fully support that. Plus if they go with the approach of structuring around two solid top line centers, an awesome goaltender, and a solid core of defensman then it is easier to fill in the pieces where it is needed. What is really important is that if Anderson is awsome again and he will be this upcoming season then sign him long term and don’t even risk letting him go.
when I looked at the Avs cap numbers for the next few years, I budget about $5 million for a goalie. Still had room after that
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 13, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Plus
We will be looking at some other big contracts coming off the books as well.
Let the new season begin already!!!
I know it is just a theory nothing set in stone. Just something I jostled up in my head. It just kind of makes sense to me to see if he does pan out which he will.
by pikeyrubbish on Jul 13, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
But
If I was in charge of the Avalanche I would have signed Kovy by now. Knowing where I was with the cap and the idea that some players might be lost due to cap issues I would be fine with that.
by pikeyrubbish on Jul 13, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Take a chance
Let’s just sign Kariya to a 1 year $3 mil. contract. He can play with Duchene. He still has good speed and great hockey sense. He could be a great teacher for Matt. Who else is going to play LW for him, McCleod, or Koci?
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 12:05 PM MDT reply actions
i thought Mueller was playing on RW.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
not with Avs. he was mostly (solely?) LW with Duchene and Hejduk
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 13, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, you’re right. I forgot Hejduk was playing with Duchene. I believe we need another veteran in the line up. We have a lot of great young talent. Who showed how young they were in the playoffs.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
the next best option out there is Frolov and to tell you the truth, I’d rather go with Galaradi than him.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugggh!
I still can’t look at Kariya without the loathing that he inspired during his one year “tenure” with the Avs.
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me too.
BUT…might be worth a flyer on a short-term, friendly deal. Didn’t some Avalanche vets (Sakic in particular IIRC) say they picked up a great deal of conditioning tips from Kariya?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 13, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes
and then didn’t Sakic pull his back doing said “conditioning”. (j/k, I still like Pauly fwiw)
by MalachiConstant on Jul 13, 2010 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I can recall some times of brilliance when Kariya was with us. I can’t recall anything with Selanne though. However, he wasn’t getting much in the way of ice time.
I remember a game in St Louis (I was at the game) where Selanne received the puck just to the side of the net and — I shit you not — in like 1 second he took the puck, deked a defender with a quick shuffle of the puck and wristed a shot into the top shelf for what was one of the prettiest goals of the year. Quickest hands on a play I have ever seen.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 13, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
He busted his ass that season he just didn’t have any wheels, I thought Kariya floated all year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I can’t recall anything with Selanne though. However, he wasn’t getting much in the way of ice time.
Well, he was. He got more total time on the ice than Kariya did, but averaged a couple of minutes less per game. Which, since Kariya outscored Selanne that year, might indicate that Kariya was better than Selanne was, but I come away convinced that Kariya was a bit of a dog, and he really hasn’t done much in his post-Avs career to convince me otherwise, whereas Selanne has excelled after that year off.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 13, 2010 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Kariya's injury report as an Av
May 4, 2004 Missed all 5 games of Round One against the Dallas Stars and the first 5 games of Round Two against the San Jose Sharks (sprained ankle).
April 7, 2004 Sprained ankle, sidelined indefinitely.
January 6, 2004 Missed 21 games (wrist injury).
December 31, 2003 Wrist injury, day-to-day.
November 16, 2003 Wrist injury, sidelined indefinitely.
November 15, 2003 Wrist injury, left Saturday’s game.
November 13, 2003 Missed 10 games (wrist injury).
October 22, 2003 Wrist injury, sidelined indefinitely.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 14, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
January 6, 2004 Missed 21 games (wrist injury).
December 31, 2003 Wrist injury, day-to-day.
November 16, 2003 Wrist injury, sidelined indefinitely.
November 15, 2003 Wrist injury, left Saturday’s game.
November 13, 2003 Missed 10 games (wrist injury).
October 22, 2003 Wrist injury, sidelined indefinitely.
Proof positive that he’s a tosser.
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Maybe he shoulda spent more time with his shake weight?
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Actually, that would have strengthened his wrist – something the Avs training staff couldn’t do.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 14, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
They were both hurt. It sucked but what can you do.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 13, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 13, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
the avs should do something, they have been at the top of man games lost to injury (non-beachie related) for a long time now, I realize that most of the guys are undersized, but after a while you have to do something different.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
If it comes out even twice as often as the Jones newsletter, it will still never come out
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by UZ on Jul 14, 2010 5:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I did hear the team trainer ran out of band-aids. We have a scape goat.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 13, 2010 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Fortunately, the lesson was learned.
When SuperJoe had back troubles several seasons later, there were plenty of band-aids on hand, which were liberally applied to the affected area.
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It sucked but what can you do.
Maybe had it really sucked Kariya wouldn’t have had so many wrist injuries.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 14, 2010 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I know
The Selanne/Kariya experiment went horribly wrong. Still don’t know what happened that year. Anyway I think he would be a good mentor to Matt. Which he needs since Joe is gone. Ok maybe mentor is not the word. But Kariya is a madman when it comes to conditioning as DDC mentioned.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
What happened was there were too many stars and only so much ice time to go around. The same thing will happen to our young players if we sign a big name FA to take away their ice time.
That and Kariya was hurt for most of the season and Selanne didn’t shoot the puck enough.
by pikeyrubbish on Jul 13, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree about Kariya. However, I don’t recall seeing Selanne on a top line much at all. So he had less ice time plus the quality of teammates were not as good.
Selanne was just horrible and didn’t deserve quality ice time.
by pikeyrubbish on Jul 13, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
2 reasons....
1. He was playing on a bum knee that needed surgery
2. His coach was Tony Granato
Bull.
By that line of logic, we ought to ensure that we never employ a player beyond his 25th birthday. We could call ourselves the Colorado Logan’s Runners.
Very cool.
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Hm, I don’t see how you got that from my statement. What is it that you’re not understanding? Teams will always play their top two lines more than the bottom two. So if there is an odd man out, he will play on the bottom with less ice time and weaker linemates.
I think there are enough quality players on the Avs to have 4 solid lines if we added a vet.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
OK,
To then further your line of logic, is it desirable to demote Duke to the 3rd/4th line so as to ensure that he does not inordinately inhibit the ice time of a younger player, Jones or Yip, for example?
While parking young snipers on the 4th line/pressbox is not conducive to their development, it is at least equally detrimental to deprive young players of the opportunity to play with world class linemates from whom they could learn a great deal for fear that they may miss out on an incremental 2-5 minutes/game with players roughly as inexperienced as themselves.
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No, I wouldn’t say we should move Hejduk to the 4th line. We should always play our best players on the top lines (hence the youngsters moving to lower lines with a FA signing). Allowing kids to Play with good players is not a bad argument, but we already have them in Stastny, Duchene and Hejduk. It’s a perfect setup already for somebody to step in and learn. No need to change anything.
So after a single pro year, Dutchy is “world class”? I love the way that he plays and have a great deal of hope for his future, but if Dutchy (and SoS for that matter) are the grizzled, talented old vets from whom the “kids” are to learn, then I’m obliged to reintroduce my Logan’s Run reference from above.
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Who said anything about old or even being vets? Here’s the quote “Allowing kids to Play with good players is not a bad argument”. The key word there is “good”. Man, you sure do like to twist arguments around. Are you trying to win something, because I’m pretty sure there are no prizes.
I made the mistake of interpreting your response to be at least partial consent to my point. Won’t do it again.
You win. I cede the field.
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No offense Hopfenkopf. I’ve enjoyed the several conversations we’ve had of the last year or so. It just seems like lately you’ve been twisting my arguments to make me look hypocritical. It could be that I’ve just been misinterpreting it to a certain degree though. I know you are really passionate about this certain topic and I can appreciate that, I’m just on the opposite side of the spectrum.
No offense taken. I still don’t think you see the crux of my point, but I’m sure that the inverse is true.
I hope you’re right. I’d be very pleased to be proved horribly wrong!
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I think I get your point. You’re basically on the same page as Jibbles, right? I can respect that point of view, I just think our timing calls for a different strategy at this point in time. I do think we’ll eventually have to move back to what you’ve been describing. We can’t rebuild forever, right?
Yeah,
Jibbles & I seem to be of one accord (based on what I’ve read of his thoughts on the matter).
Regardless of what goes on inside the boards, the organization better get its shit together or nobody will be left to notice when they do lift the Cup.
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I had floated that out there earlier this year to save save wear and tear on his knee and to get O’Reilly going.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
File under - "Other opportunities of which the Avs will not avail themselves"
PHI signed Carcillo today, putting them $2.5M over the cap with a full roster.
Not that they have any good defensemen or LWs or nuthin’.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
does that make him available and feelings aside do they have the space for him (on the roster that is, I know the numbers might have to be crunched, but they might be able to make it fit their cap #)
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the high price if it’s not a long term deal.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I would give up next years first round for him. Not supposed to be that good of a draft class. Plus we don’t draft first rounders anyway. *cough Hishon *cough
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Concur.
I’d give up our 1st+ for either Gagne or Sharp (though I prefer Sharp).
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Gagne is injury prone, and only has one year left and it’s at a higher rate than Sharp (who has 2 years left). I would give the first up for Sharp, would not for Gagne. I’d rather sign Gagne as a UFA, tbh.
this year is not THE YEAR, no need for rental type players.
I definitely don’t wnat rental players. I want a veteran to help all these kids out.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Who says we’d only get him for one year?
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We could always negotiate another contract right?
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I find it pretty likely a guy that’s one of the top tier forwards in next year’s UFA class would leave. there’s no guarantee of him re-signing whatsoever. and why not just sign Gagne as a UFA next year without giving up the 1st?
not to mention the Avs don’t seem inclined to give contracts over 2 years in length, in of of the new CBA. it just doesn’t make sense.
You’re right, if we’re only going to sign him for 2 years, he probably wouldn’t do it.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah. much I’d love to see him with the team, trading for Gagne is a huge risk. even more so when you think about his injury history.
If he’s available for a 2nd I do it though. And if LA signs Kovy Gagne’s price could fall, as well as if Gagne nixes some other suitors with his NTC like Toronto and NJ (who wants to live there, amirite). So, maybe…
I’m just “bronco-ing” (lower-ing expectations so I’m pleasently surprised if something good does happen). don’t mind me. :)
I don’t mind at all. i just love talking about hockey, especially the Avs. It’s fun to speculate. And I really have no expectations. Don’t think they’re going to do much at all.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
If it gave us a leg up on re-signing after this year it cooooould be worth it. But if the Avs are only handing out 2-year contracts right now, I don’t see that happening.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 13, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
There’s been rumors swirling that Gagne is going to be placed on waivers, which means we might be able to get him for cheap now. I’d give a second or a player thats not in our top 9 or top 4 defensemen. That might be enough if the waiver rumor is true.
Although, that could just be out there to scare Gagne into waiving his no-trade clause.
by Greendaygoal on Jul 13, 2010 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I suppose that you’re right. I’d definitely drop the 1st for Sharp though. I’d probably trade the 1st, 2nd, 4th & 5th for Parise.
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i see all the Parise talk and I get a Sharp kinda feeling…are they really going to let him go?! just like chicago, I bet not.
I’d trade pretty much anyone this side of Duchene and Stastny for Parise, including RoR, Gally, and Stewie. he’s that good, I’m totally with you.
True. I think the only way that Parise becomes available is if NJD signs Kovy.
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yeah, but even then I think they’re crazy. Parise may not be quite the pure scorer Kovy is, but he’s so much more complete. A better player overall imo.
Would here be a good place to whargarbble about how Parise has led New Jersey to three straight first-round exits and has never passed the second round? Or is that type of criticism reserved for Kovie.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Kind of tough when your team has just one legit scoring line.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
For implementation of a verb previously unknown to me.
To “whargarbble”.
That rocks!
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I like how he almost led America to a gold medal and yet now he is getting bashed about his playoff performance. Where was Kovi at the Olympics?
The Vernon Wells Bandwagon, all are welcome!
You know, read whatever you want into that. I’m done trying to fight bogus claims about Kovi’s character. Where was Kovi at that Olympics? Unfortunately, Kovi wasn’t being a distraction or being selfish or eating babies or all the other stuff people want to make up. And he wasn’t hiding from the media, either:
"Shove your “I” up a certain place
Apparently he was such a jerk that they named him captain of the Russian world championship team.
And Kovalchuk isn’t new to the World Championships. In 2008 he scored the OT game winner in the gold medal game against Canada, after scoring the tying goal to put it into overtime. In 2009, he was named MVP of the tournament.
But the truth is, Parise has done no more to lift his team to victory in the playoffs than Kovi has, despite many more chances. Personally, I don’t think it’s fair to blame Parise or Kovi for their teams’ playoff failures, but for some reason Parise is a hero and Kovie is a curse.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Parise isn't a jackass
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by UZ on Jul 14, 2010 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions
How long is he making us all wait to sign somewhere, it’s not like he has a massive amount of options to choose from…
The Vernon Wells Bandwagon, all are welcome!
It’s also not like his livelihood depends on when he signs. He’s gonna make mad bank regardless. If he gains position for bargaining via waiting, he’s just conducting business like any successful businessman. He doesn’t owe us or any other team’s fans anything.
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Yes, Kovi OWES it to us to sign months before the the free agent deadline ends.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 14, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Who cares
Kovi is taking his time to choose the situation that’s best for him. Isn’t that why players fought so hard for free agency?
Last I checked he’s not making a spectacle of it (the media is). He’s going over his options. He thinks he’s worth a certain amount, that’s his prerogative.
He’s taken 2 weeks to make the most important decision in his career. I understand the Kings and Devils frustrations, but in all honesty, it isn’t a dick move to look out after yourself.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 14, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
people say that about the draft every year. it was said about this draft at last years. there will be good players in the upcoming draft. me, I want that first, especially since he have a legit chance of missing the playoffs. last year could have been over-achieving, and boy would it suck to lose a high pick. even in TEH GARUNTEEYD WORSTEST DRAFT EVAR. :)
and no one know anything about Hishon, except that our league leading scouting staff picked him. don’t be a debbie downer when no one knows how he’s going to turn out. at least wait until he breaks or fails to make the team…
I’m not saying Hishon is going to be a bust (I hope he’s a star), I’m just saying he wasn’t ranked to go in the first round. So if we had to give up a first rounder, we could find a good player in the second.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I know you must realize that it’s not going to happen though. A rebuilding team doesn’t trade a 1st rounder for a vet.
Yeah, I’m sure you’re right. But it’s still fun to think about, and play GM.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Liar, I just did it in NHL10’
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Keep playing. Your next season is bad, isn’t it?
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not on easy mode.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I think Philly still wants a goalie, so they might take next to nothing to get rid of Gagne’s contract. The problem is will he waive the NTC.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Gagne is a serious asset. The problem is they have to get under the cap.
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
as the blackhawks have shown, just because you have cap issues doesn’t mean you have to give away players.
Isn’t that what they’re doing right now?
by WestcoastAvsfan on Jul 13, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, so long as there’s a franchise in Atlanta, at least….
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Surprised New York didn’t get in on that overpaying biz.
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You should take a look at Derek Boogards contract
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 14, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Agents squeal in girlish delight when the secretary says, “Mr. Sather is on hold on line 1.”
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 14, 2010 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Ahem
Is there a problem with girlish delight?
Sandie
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Not as long as it’s reciprocated.
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by Mike @ MHH on Jul 15, 2010 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
of course not, but it’s much funnier when grown men are doing it.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 15, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Premature Panicking
I think it’s way to premature to say the Avs are “all about the money” or to use the ridiculous Monfort comparison. I think that management has simply decided that they will not overpay for veteran players while the kids are still developing and the team is still a few years away from a serious cup run (anyone really think that they’re not?). The Avs grossly overpaid during their last major foray into the free agent pool. Sherman was luckily able to unload Ryan Smyth (who is a good player, but not worth $6M if your team just finished 3rd to last) and I bet he would unload Scott Hannan if he could. I was ecstatic after hearing about Wolski’s new deal because the Avs weren’t going to be paying it.
I actually admire Sherman for not overpaying this year, and it will take years of eschewing free agents before we can legitimately compare them to the Monfort-run Rockies. If they trade away Matt Duchene and Ryan O’Reilly rather then pay them, then we’ll talk.
I wrote this somewhere else, but I like to hear myself speak, and thus by association write:
If you assume that the Avs felt Kovie either wasn’t worth the money or didn’t want to get into a biding war over him, and felt the same about Martin and the rest of the ‘top’ defensmen then there wasn’t a lot available after that, Frolov is still available and I feel better going with TJ as the top line left winger than guess which frolov you’re going to get, Higgins was available and had to go to florida, which says all you need to know about him and Tanguay went back to CalGary. You can make an arguement that every Defensman was overpaid and the avs have a decent top 6 so why overpay especially when you have younger Dmen on the way. I want the avs to sign Andy Sutton but the longer they wait the less they’ll have to pay.
I’ll wait til closer to training camp to sharpen my pitchfork.
But, if all of you want to take something positive away from all of this. Next year at this time we won’t be critizing Sherman for making any bad signing this summer.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 13, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
If they trade away Matt Duchene and Ryan O’Reilly rather then pay them, then we’ll talk.
The only thing we would be talking about is how the huge fire at the Pepsi Center started and how no one has been able to find any trace of Stan Kronke and Greg Sherman…
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by Luxury Yacht on Jul 13, 2010 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Recs for use of Axl Rose
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How is Chinese Democracy anyway?
My opinion is worth about what you paid for it: Nothing.
Not very good. One baby policy, no Google. I’m starting to wonder if they even understand what Democracy means…
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by Paul's Coffey on Jul 14, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Next summer the avs might be able to get Anderson at a bargain rate, goalies aren’t pulling that much in FA. 2yr. 4 mill or 3 year 5.75 mill?
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