Avalanche Paint Drying Thread, Day 2
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 6:54 AM MDT
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It will be hard to top the excitement of day one, but we'll be here just the same.
I'm a tad conflicted. I firmly believe that the Colorado Tumbleweeds need to add some talent. But there's not a ton of names coming off the board so far that I'm really upset at missing out on. Michalek and Foster are probably the two most notable. Maybe Volchenkov, given his relatively favorable cap number ($4.25). Tallinder too. There's still people out there who can improve the team. Willie Mitchell, Andy Sutton, that Kovalchuk fella. The question is whether GM Greg Sherman is willing - or allowed - to pull the trigger.
Avalanche Signings:
G Jason Bacashihua - (unofficial) 1 year, $500,000, 2-way
Potential Avalanche Targets:
F Ilya Kovalchuk
F Alexander Frolov
F Matthew Lombardi - Nashville Predators, 3 years, $3.5 million
F Ray Whitney - Phoenix Coyotes, 2 years, $3 million
F Raffi Torres
F Lee Stempiak
F Alex Ponikarovsky
F Yan Stastny
D Paul Martin - Pittsburgh Penguins, 5 years, $5 million
D Dan Hamhuis - Vancouver Canucks, 6 years, $4.5 million
D Anton Volchenkov - New Jersey Devils, 6 years, $4.25 million
D Zbynek Michalek - Pittsburgh Penguins, 5 years, $4 million
D Willie Mitchell
D Kurt Foster - Edmonton Oilers, 2 years, $1.8 million
D Andy Sutton
D Pavel Kubina - Tampa Bay, 2 years, $3.85 million
D Henrick Tallinder - Anaheim Ducks, 3 years, $3.75 million
D Toni Lydman
D Jon Scott - Chicago Blackhawks, 1 year, $1 million
2009-2010 Avalanche Players:
F Darcy Tucker
F Marek Svatos
F Matt Hendricks
F Stephane Yelle
F Chris Durno
F Brian Willsie
F Darren Haydar
F Julian Talbot
F Codey Burki
F Marty Sertich (signed with Swiss NLB)
D Brett Clark
D Ruslan Salei
D Brian Fahey
D Derek Peltier
D Wes O'Neill
D Brett Skinner
G Tyler Weiman
G John Grahame
Other Notable Former Avs:
F Paul Kariya
F Alex Tanguay - Calgary Flames, 1 year, $1.7 million
F Teemu Selanne
F Owen Nolan
F Brad May
F Tyler Arnason
D Derek Morris - Phoenix Coyotes, 4 years, $2.75 million
D Martin Skoula
G Jose Theodore
G Andrew Raycroft - Dallas Stars, 2 years, $650 k
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Any prediction on signings to come?
Two pucks and a ice bucket perhaps?
How is the forward lines down in Lake Eire, do we need depth/skill there? (must do as the all the players that could be on the team is playing in Denver!..)
Hensick is gone, Haydar will be soon and possibly Willsie too. Stoa & Mercier will likely spend time with the Avs and the Monsters. The did bring in Zach Cohen and Mark Olver and re-signed Dupuis, but they probably do need to bring in some AHL vets to round things out.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:10 AM MDT up reply actions
The avs don’t really need to devlop any forwards in the A for about 2 or three years, with all the young guns and all, hopefully they’ll stock up on some vets and win in Erie.
retsasiddetagitimnuna. I’m petty sure that’s contagious, stay away.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
With some combination of Winnik, Stoa, Porter, and Dupuis looking like they’ll take the last three forward spots on the Avs roster, the Avs only have 7 forwards signed for their minor league team including Carman, Olver, Cohen, Reed, Fritsche, Mercier, and whoever is the odd man out of the four previous players that I listed.
They’ll definitely need to add more forwards to flesh out their minor league team.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 2, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I think these guys are still out there
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Watching Dave Hanson’s son play at Notre Dame had a certain novelty to it :D He wasn’t to shabby either.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I wish we could swap Hannan for Volchenkov, long been a fan of his shutdown skills, Mikalek to a degree as well.
As much as I was impressed with last years team, I do still think we need some more cogs to be successfull again this year, sophmore slumps are bound to come as more teams key in on us..
It just doesn’t seem like too complicated an idea: a large number of talented and still developing young players + a ton of cap space = add one or two good free agents and round out the team. The Avs seem more interested in putting all the weight on the young guys who overachieved last year. Sure, they were great, but they were only great enough to lose 4-2 in the first round of the playoffs. Why not add a few new faces since they’ve got the budget for it?
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by Joe Dunman on Jul 2, 2010 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Worked well for the young Nordiques. Youngsters need lot’s of playing time. However, they don’t really need to win right now. They are making an investment for the future. Granted, it will be a little less exciting for some fans but I’m not one of them. I think it’s more exciting to see the youngsters (win or lose) take on the future.
with apologies to these guys, there isn’t a future Sakic & Forsberg on the roster. There are some good young kids, a couple who can be pretty darn good. Good enough to form the core of a Cup contender? Not convinced of that.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I just don’t see what harm there is in picking up some fresh faces here and there. And why not add a sure-bet like Kovalchuk if you’ve got the cap space to do it? Why wouldn’t they want an extra 40 goals up front?
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Agreed. I think if we keep status quo we’re in for a disappointing season…
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
Nothing is ever going to work 100% of the time. It’s a game which requires strategy and I believe the Avs strategy is the correct one. Not all teams can pull it off because you have to switch gears as time passes. We aren’t ready to switch gears yet.
Not to mention a point shot on the Power Play…something they have needed for years now
Help help! I'm being repressed!
Again, agreed. Sorry JML Beachie…
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
Haha she’s moving… she isn’t gonna read this :)
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
Don’t think that Beachie doesn’t have her spies!
Sandie
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by Americanario on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey, I’m not her spy. :) Just saying, I’m sure she has some.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
Dammit sandiegee you two are always on my ass…
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
That said
Mueller seems to have that, and I think there’s some young guys who have a point shot who aren’t far away.
That said, Having a PP of:
Kovi-Stastny-Stewart
Mueller-Liles/Shattenkirk(when he develops)
and
Jones-Duchene-Hejduk
Quincey-Cumiskey
wouldn’t be too shabby.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Kovi-Stastny-Stewart…. that’d be fun to watch. Too bad he’s gonna shock the world and sign with the KHL today…
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
If they aren’t enough to build around, then we need lower draft picks to get those that are. You don’t get these by signing good free agents and being just good enough to make it to the 2nd or 3rd round.
BTW, I think what we have is good enough to build around, but we don’t need late picks for the next draft. So why spend the money to be slightly better than mediocre today? Kovi or any other FA is not going to solve anything for now. A couple years down the line is another story.
I’ve got to disagree with you. Kovy would put the Avs comfortably in to the playoffs. Once there, I think he’s less important. But easing in to the playoffs would let Sacco rest players like Andy, Foote, Hejduk, etc… With the current lineup they will need to battle all the way to get in the top 8.
Maybe you’re missing the point. It’s not important to get into the playoffs at this stage. It’s almost better to miss them. Of course they will still try hard to make it with young players and if they do, great, our team is better than anticipated. If they don’t, the plan is still in motion because we’ll have a good draft pick next year.
I feel like you’re only looking at this from the perspective of a fantasy GM – it matters every year that the team makes the playoffs because it puts butts in seats. The Avs have a lot of seats to fill, and missing the playoffs again – even if it’s OK long term, is very bad for business.
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no way that that’s true.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
How could it not be true? It’s simple business. You pay a lot for a product and you have to cover the cost by filling seats. When your overhead is low, you need less to make a profit.
The NHL is stilla gate driven league. they need butts in the seats to make money. Even with lower overhead, like no marketing dept.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
So, the point is, let’s spend $10 million more a year to hopefully attract the band-wagon fans who don’t even know who he is? If it doesn’t work, we’ll just be spending another $10 mill a year. Is that more profit?
No
The point is “Let’s spend $8M-$10M more per season so we can win more games, which will put asses in the seats buying tickets, popcorn, beer, parking etc…”
And there’s very little doubt that Kovi will help the Avs win more games.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
The point is "Let’s spend $8M-$10M more per season so we can win more games, which will put asses in the seats buying tickets, popcorn, beer, parking, playoff tickets etc…"
Getting to stage more home games is about as pure a source of new income as you can get.
Playoff series are worth millions of dollars
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
5000 empty seats x $80 per ticket x 41 games = $16,400,000
That’s not counting drinks, food, clothing, and all the other crap they sell.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
and its really the drinks, food and merchandise that have the highest profit margin. THATS where they make all of their money… the seats just about even out with salaries, building upkeep, and personnel.
Thanks Joe...
You see, business there are these things called fixed costs and variable costs.
Pretty much everything about a sports team is a fixed cost. You MUST have revenue because of this. This is why sports franchises are valued very heavily by butts in seats revenue. This is even more true in the NHL business model.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
(lol)
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Dan says you like Justin Bieber. But Dan is just a cranky old man.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
He probably LOLs in his Depends. Si?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
There are a lot of other expenses besides player payroll, and many of those other expenses don’t scale. I forget the exact number, but I think the player revenue share is something like 60%. The Avs are missing out on 25-30% of their ticket sales (estimate 4000-6000 empty seats in a ~18000 seat arena – no time to look up the actual attendance numbers).
And in any case, rich people don’t stay rich by not trying to make every last penny they can.
Also, poor attendance begets poor attendance because the atmosphere is less exciting and because the tickets have less perceived value. People feel less pressure to buy season tickets and season ticket holders worry that they won’t be able to sell extra tickets.
In short, it is very important for the Avs finances that they improve their ticket sales, and not signing a significant free agent is a missed opportunity to improve ticket sales.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s not important to get into the playoffs at this stage.
I should have stopped reading at this point. lol
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep. I’m sure fans of Columbus, Florida, Atlanta, etc. etc. say this every year. Come on people! We are THE AVALANCHE! Look up in the rafters at the Can to see what that means. Making the playoffs isn’t important? This is a franchise that once prided itself on contending for the Cup almost every single season. Jesus Roy!
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
A couple of years from now, when the Avs might be ready, there won’t be a FA like Kovie available. Guys like him just don’t come around that often on the FA market. We may end up paying the same amount for someone less talented than Kovie.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
I’ve looked at the guys who become UFA’s over the next two years, under the age of thirty there is one, Hemsky who will be 29 when he becomes a FA. As far as impact free agents that will stick around for more than a year it’s Kovachuk or no one for the next three years.
retsasiddetagitimnuna. I’m petty sure that’s contagious, stay away.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
There is a critical flaw in your plan: the Avs have to somehow convince people to pay money to see games.
Free agent signings = Headlines = People remember that there’s a hockey team in Denver = Sell More Tickets
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Good point. Local sports radio the last few nights has been all about “Will the Nuggets keep Melo long term?” No mention of the NHL free agent period at all. The Avs are no longer on the local radar. A huge departure from the glory days.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, never in my wildest dream would I have thought the Avs were a salary minimum type of team. I’m lost, and local media has nothing. It just feels like the whole thing is shrinking locally.
It just makes me sad inside.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
They are definitely No.4 on the scene. Look at the personalities:
Carmello, Tebow, Ubaldo, Duchene.
One of these guys isn’t in the national news all the time. Perhaps he needs to change his name to Duchene-O for the nice alliteration with the other guys.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Alright, so I gotta ask, who is Ubaldo? I am guessing a rockies player based on the logic there.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Because it didn’t used to be the #4 sport in Denver.
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Because it was pretty firmly number 2 up until a few years ago?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m working on a firm number 2 right about now.
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We all need to Bertuzzi once in a while.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s going to go through cycles. As the nuggets, Broncos or Rockies are good, people will pay attention.
The Broncos will ALWAYS be #1, good or not.
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Not
oh, that wasn’t a question.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t disagree with that. This is not hockey country. There will be times when people pay attention to the Avs but they will always be #4 like all hockey teams. Sucks but it’s just not America’s sport and the 3 above it are.
Basketball
Basketball, Baseball and Hockey are all about the same, in Denver, in my eyes. They battle for the #2 part, but I don’t think heckey is in any way pre-determined to be #4 in Denver.
But they’ve worked hard and achieved it.
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow, from my experience, I can’t agree with that at all. Maybe it’s just the people I’m around but I rarely run into a random person that’s a hockey fan at all. Most everybody is interested in how the Rockies, Nuggets or Broncos are doing though. Same with the radio, I don’t really even listen to Denver sports radio anymore because they rarely ever talk about the Avs, even when the other teams are performing badly and the Avs are doing well.
Now
10 years ago, no one gave a rats ass about the Nuggets. And for a good 6-8 no one cared about the Rockies.
But I know a lot of people who care about the Avs, but just aren’t interested right now.
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
There are a few places in the U.S. where hockey is near #1 and/or a clear #2. Namely Minnesota, the Dakotas, etc. I agree with Jibs that #2 in Denver has some pretty thick competition.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
true
But I do remember a few post-Elway era Denver Post polls where the Avs and their players out-populared the Broncos by miles.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Jinx
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
A DP annual poll during the Avs’ heyday had them more popular than the Broncos on one metric. I think Broncos were #1 in favorite team but Avs were #1 in number of fans.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Forsberg was the runaway most popular pro athlete for several years running post-Elway too, iirc.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
good point …. and you know, I’m not a gay man, but if I were ……
We need ice girls!
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess you can’t put things in carrot brackets. This would have been oh so much more hilarious and less disturbing had you seen the “slaps self” in between my two statements. Or not.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
You know, I still see a lot more Avs stuff around town than nuggets stuff (“stuff” should read: everything but direct marketing). Maybe it’s just a hold over from better days though.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I see more Avs gear around than any other Denver team.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Old avs gear, right?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Who wants a unipron?
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
based on yesterday and today, pretty much no one
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I hate myself for chuckling.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
I hate DDC for making you chuckle.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
in bed
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
zing!
On yourself even. Well played.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
That was a heck of a zing.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
twss
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
She hates herself for you making her chuckle in bed?
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, it’s never polite to laugh at a guy in bed? You know, not very Canadian.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
I was chuckling at the thought of DDC joking about how Sandie was chuckling about him in bed. If I got that right it was self deprecation humor by DDC at its finest — all be it slightly complicated.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Duchene-O
Ok that got a legitimate laugh out of me. Awesome.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
and local media has nothing
Disagree with that. Dater took valuable time from stinking up Puck Daddy’s Free Agent Frenzy chatterbox with his completely baffling and interesting-only-to-him RTs so he could namecheck Jibs and regurgitate what DDC and others have been saying for the past day about how the Avs still have to make some signings to reach the cap floor. So we’ve got that going for us.
I get that Dater’s contacts probably suck – he couldn’t even get quotes from Wolski when he got traded – but do you guys think he’s actually called any of the Avs UFAs, or their agents, and asked what’s cooking? Do you guys think he developed any kind of relationship with a guy like Clark, who he covered for awhile, or Svats, or Salei…or anyone, really, that would help him enterprise some sort of content besides the fucking ridiculousness of “it’s really quiet at Avs HQ, I’m going to warm up my Tostinos pizza now.”
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you have to love this gem then:
adater: Source: Dater’s stomach likely to have more cap room after Totino’s consummation. “We’re not done” stomach source said.
what a dork
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
I know he’s trying to be funny, but isn’t that actually pretty fucking embarrassing that he’s wasting time on Twitter posting shit like this instead or working on some sort of content that would be considered mildly interesting?
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
What is he supposed to write? A Dan Winnick Epic Bio?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait… I got namechecked? When did I get big enough to be a name check.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, didn’t you know? You’re one of Dater’s best sources.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
From Dater's "blog entry" today
As blogger Jibblescribbits reminded me this morning, the Avs have no choice BUT to sign these guys, because right now they are roughly $11 million from reaching the mandated floor of the new salary cap – $43.4 million.
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Heh, I like that he went with “reminded” — versus “gave him a f*cking clue”.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
When MSM doesn’t acknowledge these blogs you people are up in arms. When it does its, “no shit sherlock”. As another poster said somewhere, some of us are impossible to please.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
It was actually reminding him (check my twitter feed).
Dater does a good job acknowledging blogs and giving us our due when we contribute to the conversation. I’m not really up in arms about anything.
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, the “reminded” line was a mean assumption and a bit unnecessary.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought the reminded comment was fine. Stick with what you wrote. Unlike Dater, you don’t have the option to go back and change or remove your comments after the fact.
Point is that I hadn’t seen Dater write a word about that situation, which is the obvious main story for the Avs right now, since they’re not going to sign anybody, so it shows that Dater takes his content sometimes from bloggers. Not saying he stole it, since he credited Jibs, just saying he sucks at enterprising stories and coming up with ideas.
Bad thing is that his coverage the past two days has been regressing (just look at his latest shit on Twitter about the Flames) while he’d actually had a couple of really good posts over the past week. Really enjoyed the comments from Pracey and Sacco. He was doing exactly what I wished he’d been doing all along, which is talk to guys, ask them interesting questions, and TRANSCRIBE the interview on the blog. It’s how a beat reporter can really add value online – use the privileged daily access you have with the people the fans want to hear from. He doesn’t do that very often*.
*By the way, another excellent blog from the Post was Mike Chambers’s post about DU hockey. Starts out with a mea culpa about not doing a good enough job, then goes into detail about some of the incoming Pioneers who got drafted. It was outstanding.
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You will also notice that in the last couple of years they haven’t sent DP writers to the Finals. Last year they didn’t go to the draft. Frei is preactically off the beat. The editors at the Denver Post truely believe that fans care more about the Nuggets. There’s no evidence to support this, be it attendance nor TV ratings. If you go to a Nuggets game there are just as many people in the back bar areas socializing as there is at the game and half of those people aren’t paying attention. Even though Avs games were half full, a much bigger proportion of those people were watching the ice. If the Avs become “the place to be” again then real fans and hockey game playing in the background fans will compete for tickets yet again.
See blue pill thread below.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t pretend to speak for anyone other than myself here. Jibbs is likely very happy at the mention and I don’t mean to put words in anyone else’s mouth.
I tend to be very critical of Dater’s ability as a sports writer and should note that other main-stays around here such as DDC and Jibs have not agreed with me.
So that being said, I’d like to think anyway that I’m consistent in my criticism of Dater and hardly am impossible to please.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I definitely don’t agree with the anti-Dater sentiment. but I’ve made that argument already. to each his own
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I will know I'm really big
When Woody Paige name drops me.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
You will never know then
They don’t discuss hockey on Hollywood Squares (Connecticut Edition) or whatever that ridiculous show is on ESPN. Does Paige even write anymore? I’ve been ignoring his columns for years.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
He does
And he is the king of name-dropping, especially in his mailbag. (Disclaimer – I’m actually a big Paige fan.)
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
He talked about himself for 30 minutes at the Sakic retirement press conference. I think he’s still there.
Good god that was awful.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I like that logic: why bother assembling an exciting team when nobody comes to watch anyway?
Beautifully circular.
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The point is, it takes time to assemble and keep a good team. I know it’s tough to swallow because most fans want results now. You’ll get your results, you just have to be more patient.
Thanks for illuminating the situation for me.
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Repeating this doesn't make it true.
You see, business there are these things called fixed costs and variable costs.
Pretty much everything about a sports team is a fixed cost. You MUST have revenue because of this. This is why sports franchises are valued very heavily by butts in seats revenue. This is even more true in the NHL business model.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I see what you’re saying, Kovi is a variable cost. Either way cost balances against income, regardless of what you call it.
Player contracts are fixed costs for the duration of the contract. Think of it as leasing a factory (or house). You pay the same cost no matter how much production/revenue their is.
As an aside, contracts can be considered assets in theory but they extremely difficult to value.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Their is =
There is. I need to read before posting.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, well give me your theory about why the Avs are doing what they are doing? They definitely know more about hockey than anybody on this site. I’m trying to explain what I think they are doing but it seems that know body else wants to try and rationalize it. Everybody just wants to bitch and say that they are not doing the right thing.
I get what they are doing
They are trying to save money on contracts now when times are tough and develop their core of players since they don’t really believe we’re just a piece or two away from competing for the cup. In a few seasons, when this talent has developed, they may splurge on free agents making the team better.
I get it, I just don’t agree with it. I think it:
a) underestimates the level of apathy surrounding this team around the city right now. This will cause them to lose a lot more money and harm the franchise a lot more than they think it will.
b) Overvalues their upcoming talent. They have no 1st line LW in the system (Maybe Mueller, then they have no 2nd lineer.) it seems to be entirely dependent on EVERY prospect they have developing to their max potential. This will not happen.
c) ignores opportunities that may come. Players as talented and gifted as Kovi don’t come around every free agent cycle. He fills a need (a couple actually)
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
First paragraph is very close to what is happening.
Lots can happen over the next 2 seasons. Waiting for things to develop is way to risky for my taste.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, I guess we disagree then. I’m too tired to argue on the behalf of the Avs anymore for today. I better get back to work. I guess we’ll get to see if the Avs plan works in a few years.
meet back here in 2013?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Arena financing. Taxes. Maintenance. Marketing. Those are all fixed costs and they are all expensive.
Ok, maybe not the marketing so much.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Kovi or another high-priced vet is not going to fill seats anyway. The only people that care about that is the die-hard fans on this site, which will go to the game anyway. The band-wagon fans don’t even know who these guys are.
again, I have to disagree. Ilya Kovalchuk would increase attendance in Denver. How much, I don’t know.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. It’s called star power. The team had it with Roy, Sakic, Forsberg, plus a whole bunch of other guys who came through here. Folks would get to know Kovie. Even the Av “marketing department” would have a hard time hiding him.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah but that was years of the Avs doing well. That’s why Sakic and Co put butts in the seat. We need somebody long-term, like Duchene to start doing that now and not somebody that will only be hear for a few years.
It would be nice to have a guy regularly appear on sports news highlight reels who isn’t Andy getting pelted by 50 shots.
Duchene can be that guy who builds energy in the crowd every time he has the puck. Unfortunately, the Cup contending teams have two or three guys like that.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
I disagree. The VP of marketing told us that season ticket holders is their bread and butter. And Kovi would make a difference. We actually dropped our season tickets this year because I don’t want to give another dime to the greedy Kroneke machine that won’t do anything for us. If we got Kovy, I might change my mind. Many other season ticket holders we know have gone the same way.
with apologies to these guys, there isn’t a future Sakic & Forsberg on the roster.
There will never be another Forsberg, Sakic, or Roy. However, I really think that Dutchy is going to be pretty damn special.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
forgot the blockquote.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Great 2nd line center. I’m really thinking that Dutchy will be the face of the franchise someday soon, though.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. Volchenkov would have been a great addition. Young, fast, moves the puck well, blocks shots, and is an absolute beast in the physical game. That was one thing that the Avs lacked, a consistent and intimidating physical game. But I guess he would have been considered a “quick fix”. I don’t buy that.
Still crossing my fingers for the return of Raycroft.
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SOL, dear friend. SOL.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions
The Avs could still trade Anderson for him!
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If we’re trading Andy, why wouldn’t we want to get our money’s worth?
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Thought the Stars already signed him?
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Aph on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn, I forgot! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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ain’t going to happen, but maybe Tommy Salo will unretire.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 7:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Let me get this out there
First off, thanks for having my back on getting up the FA thread, DDC.
Second, there has been a whole lot of bullshit centered around by several members of the MHH community. That all needs to stop tout sweet.
Members of this community have differing opinions. Members of this community discuss these opinions in many different and completely acceptable ways. NONE of those ways include calling out other people in Gorilla Grodd-style chest-thumping comments. Another way to NOT go about the business of participating in this community is to question other members’ loyalty and fandom. Another recipe for NOT working in the MHH house style is inflammatory, rhetoric-filled diatribes with personal attacks on the mental facilities of those you are conversing. It goes without saying that personal attacks of any kind are strongly frowned on and depending on the level of malice or intent said comments will disappear via the handy DELETE button I have here on my machine or the originator of said content with take a break from the community until he/she/it can learn to play nice with others.
It’s not a matter of your opinion on Avalanche-related manners. We aren’t looking for group-thought or Kool-Aid drinking. The diversity of opinions at MHH is what sets it apart from several other boards. But if you can’t behave like a rational adult (or at least pretend to while you’re logged on here) then you won’t find a warm reception.
I haven’t seen anything that is a lock for banning as yet, but the debates in the FA threads and the Draft threads have gotten pretty borderline when it comes to actually bringing anything worthwhile to the table as far as discussion. These two events (Draft and FA) should be enjoyable. They should not be bully pulpits for you to proclaim your mastery of hockey management, the stupidity of other members, or your general awesomeness at the expense of other community members.
I will continue to cull stupidity from the ranks of the comments and if someone turns into a repeat offender they’ll shoot to #1 with a bullet on Mjöllnir’s To-Do List.
All that being said, if people could dial down the sarcasm for a couple of days, it would go a long way to helping everybody cool off.
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by Mike @ MHH on Jul 2, 2010 7:25 AM MDT reply actions 5 recs
I agree, it was out of hand last night. might want to post this on the front page.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Hence my disappearance at about 2 PM central time yesterday. If I wanted to see a bunch of people bitching at each other over stupid things, I would listen to the FM morning show in my building.
Help help! I'm being repressed!
You’re not the only one. I left the threads early and often due to the annoyance of those posts too. I think several other regulars did too. It was easier to look at other sites for draft info than filter through the “debates” in the UFA threads here yesterday.
Thanks for addressing the issue Mike. Your sauce is en route.
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It wasn’t too big of a deal, really. And seeing someone tell Mike to “shut his face” was actually sort of funny.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Mike deleted a lot of the comments, but it picked back up again later. Most of it is in the thread Angelique put up late yesterday.
I was sad because my comment about Mike not being able to take Patrick Roy in a fight was taken down. Truth hurts.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
you all have heard about what Mike does to sandwiches, so don’t piss him off. I missed the big brouhaha I guess, but I’ve seen enough other stuff lately to annoy me.
It seems that this is really directed at a couple of key conspirators. So here’s the skinny. This is a community. We don’t all have to have the same opinions. Actually, I love to see everyone’s differing viewpoints. But we do need to get along well with others, and there’s a couple of you who don’t seem to get that. I don’t give a flying fuck if you think you are right or how effectively you’ve made your point. If you continue to cause problems, you will be banned. End of story.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions
This post makes me all tingly.
Mile High Hockey: Significantly better than the experts predicted, just like the Avalanche.
Nice Gorilla Grodd reference
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And an equally nice reference to Mjollnir
Dipping in both the DC and Marvel universes. Nice.
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The avs are the best team in the league and will win the cup, happy? :)
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Plus is Kovalchuck were to stop by and see our bad behavior, it might hurt our chances of landing him.
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought Nolan, Higgins or Park would be a decent fit here and I still like the idea of bringing in Andy Sutton’s size for the 3rd pair—-although he might get more minutes if the avs have leads late in the game.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 AM MDT reply actions
Sutton and Mitchell are both out there and I think both could help. Not sure about Park or Higgins, but I think Nolan might be a good fit too. Have a tough time picturing him coming to Colorado though.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was a bad break up before, although Nolan does have a rep. for being difficult. Higgins has speed and some size that he doesn’t use and something to prove, it would be nice to get someone that might actually get pumped to play his old team in division, you know like all the former avs who come back to score on us. Park would strictly be a 3rd/4th liner with some speed that can plug holes when the avs have their inevitble injury circus. They might want to look into upgrading their training staff.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind Higgins at all—he needs a skilled center to set him up but he’d be a good, cheap first line plug with more offensive upside than gally
Higgins:
27 years old, 6’, 205#. 14th overall pick in 2002. Traded from the Rangers to Calgary at the trade deadline last season. 38 points for each of his rookie and sophmore seasons, 52 points his junior year. His last two years have been in decline, with 23 and 17 points, altho his final year was, of course, split between two teams.
Hey Hedge, do you know what center passed him those passes during his three strong first years with the Habs? I don’t know where to look up linemates…
Thanks Joe...
Well, I couldn’t find his linemates, but for his first three seasons the top two centers were: Koivu + Ribeiro; Koivu + Plekanec; Koivu + Plekanec. Then, if I remember right, he played with Drury in NY. I think he played with Ribeiro and Plekanec if memory serves, and had terrible years without true centers in NY and Calgary.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_2006_skaters.html
has him listed as a center way back when.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
He probably had Drury or Gomez in NY, I think the only center of note on montreal at the time was Koviu.
None of those guys were lighting up the league. Wouldn’t it be nice to get someone who wants to stick it to the flames a la any former avs that light us up.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
actual news
Raitinins to Calgary
Kubina to Tampa
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:41 AM MDT reply actions
yikes, that would be Raitis Ivanans.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey
Good to know whose knuckles Koci’s going to bloody with his face next season.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions
blocking punches with your face is no way to win fights.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Koci rethpecually dithagwees
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
all I’m sayin’ is attempting to wear out someone’s knuckles with your face may (and I stress may) not be the best way to go.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey that is the strongest part of his game. Remember when he actually hit someone last year. He broke his hand
You know, I wonder if NHL ‘heavyweights’ do hand excersizes to keep that from happening. Like squeezing the worry ball, or those spring-loaded grippy things. I wonder if strengthening your hands like that disrupts your ‘soft hands’ and puck handling skills.
Also, why do some cultures consider blue and green to be the same color, just different shades?
Also, I wonder if Jewel Staite would go out with me if I bat my eyelashes real purty…
Thanks Joe...
So I guess the whole myth of teams needing “enforcers” lives on.
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I like how you merged it, let’s do that for all the players from here on out, Jmikeliles and Matchene and Paustastny.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Tim Jackman to Calgary too
as per TSN’s FA tracker
I'm just concerned about our LWers
As per http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2010/07/01/projected-avs-lineup-for-2010-11-why-its-so-quiet-today/
1 is an RFA with history of concussions….
1 can’t play more than 20 games without getting injured…..
1 is a rookie…
1 we just got from Phoenix.
That’s just not good. Okay… don’t blow the bank on Kovalchuk fine… I can accept that. But our LW situation is pretty bad.
not a lot of other options though. Frolov is probably 2nd. ducks
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions
you’re supposed to say Sorry Beachie when you talk about trading Liles.
sheesh.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m taking this as executive direction.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
pleasedon’tletherseethis pleasedon’tletherseethis pleasedon’tletherseethis
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
How much are you offering to have us not encourage her to read the comments on this one?
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I wish, but I think the price would be way too high on Staal… In fact, I think we already traded away our next year’s third rounder, so instead of sending him an offer sheet, we would have to trade for his rights. And if we do that, he may not sign with us at all.
As far as Neal, I don’t really know that much about him. From what I have gathered he is pretty close to what we would need, but the same things apply to him… how do we get him? How can we be sure that if we give up Cumiskey for his negotiating rights, he doesnt just walk away and sign as a UFA with Philly or someone?
Thanks Joe...
I might be wrong but are they both restricted FA’s?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
MIROSLAV SATAN. I WANT SATAN ON MY WING!!!!
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions
yesterday dater said the avs aren’t interested in frolov
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I think they really do need to round out a LW with either Stempiak or Ponikarovsky. I would personally love Kovy, or somehow fanangling Parise away from NJ, but really I think the Avs would be most likely to take a run at either Stemp or Ponik. A solid, if fairly unspectacular, LWer to stand in while we see which of our youngsters was really overachieving, and which can not slump this year.
Thanks Joe...
Ponikarovsky couldn’t succeed with Malkin or Crosby and was scratched for most of the playoffs. I saw nothing in him that I liked.
But Stempniak has fill-in written all over him.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
stempniak or maybe even raffi torres. i know torres wasnt great after the deadline, but i think sacco would be a good match for him as a coach
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Torres always seemed like a solid player to me.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
i think he’d be a god fit for us, and not too expensive either
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
doubledy ditto
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Kariya
I’m thinking of this as a 1 to 2 year, speedy left winger to provide leadership and a very good shot. He should be available in terms of dollars. My first choice would have been Whitney but I think a proven top 6 veteran would be the way to go to give our young guns some more time to mature and see what we really have (probably down in Lake Erie). Dutchy and Mueller had great chemistry with Hejduk. Maybe Stastny and Stewart can have an amazing combination with Kariya.
by Bringbackboone on Jul 2, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
kariya – do not want.
yes, i’m still angsty about last time he was here
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
I dislike Selanne more than Kariya due to his 9 month stint here.
by Bringbackboone on Jul 2, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
1 guy was really hurt and needed major surgery to get his career back on track (which it did, amazingly so), and the other guy was exposed as a weird goofball and Jim Cummins’ bitch (and who is now, if he signs, going to be on his 3rd team since his stint with Colorado and who has disappointed at every stop along the way). There was, indeed, one huge disappointment between those two, but it sure wasn’t Teemu.
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Kariya was injured also. The whole thing was a weird fluke and wasn’t helped by the head coach.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, I don’t blame the players. still frustrating
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
why, Selanne was busting his ass sucking and Kariya floated around and sucked. I appreciated the effort at least.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with both you and Dan. Selanne seemed to care. Kariya? Notsomuch. Neither worked out due to injuries and the worst head coach in the history of hockey part 1.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
For some reason, I was a Kariya fan back then. And, I expected a Cup with those two. I think I always disliked Selanne when he played for the Sharks and beat us and then didn’t do that while on the Avs. But yes, it was an awkward situation that was not helped by the coaching.
by Bringbackboone on Jul 2, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
The avs have to do something
they are $11M away from the cap floor. I realize Stewart, Mueller, Quincey and Yip will compromise some of that…. but they still have to sign someone just to get to the cap floor.
You have no idea how much typing that last sentence fragment hurt my soul.
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do you remember way back when the avs payroll was like 70 some odd million in 2001?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I remember when $$ wasn’t an option and Kovalchuk would have been an Av by now.
Actually, he’d be an Av before last seasons trade deadline.
only one off season did the Avs pursue high profile FA...
that was the Summer of Smyth. Selanne and Kariya came to the Avs so they have almost always been smart about who they add
Isn’t it crazy that there is a very talented left winger available that will gobble up much of that $11 M and the Avs are sitting on their hands? Round hole, meet the square peg.
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No kidding
If only the Avs had a player to spend a large quantity of that on one player.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I know how they can get to the cap floor
Is Jeff Finger a free agent?
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I know
But I was going for humor and it seemed like a better idea than Brad May or Darcy Tucker.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I know, I was going for sarcastic humor, but apparently my job is sucking it away faster than I thought…
I know what you mean all too well.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Ok, ok I confess
this is all my fault. I hoped yesterday would be an “uneventful Thursday” (quoted from my fb post), but I failed to add “not for the avs”. Apparently the universe really likes me. Sorry everybody!
Use your voodoo and make it better today!
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Aph on Jul 2, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
So Filatov is a LW, young, and rumored available. Maybe he’d actually come around under Sacco? We could throw some Defenseman their way for him. If anyone has a worse core of D than the Avs, it’s Columbus. In the least, maybe he could be added to our list of “Potential Avalanche Targets” that will never happen?
Depends on the $$$
If it’s cheap…. it’s doable. But danger-esquely doable
agreed
But hey some teams are looking for trading partners maybe we can move one of our offensive d-men for a big defensive one or a LW
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Fair enough. I realize Columbus has had some issues with him, but from what I’ve heard it was mostly because of Hitchcock’s defensive system they were trying to shove down everyone’s throat. The risk may be worth his $2.2M salary. And I mean, we were entertaining the idea of picking up Frolov weren’t we?
Then again, it’s difficult to even suggest things such as this with a straight face. I highly doubt we will sign anyone that could be considered an established 1st line LW or top pair defense.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I met Filatov in Moscow this winter. The kid is a stick. No wonder he didn’t want to play a defensive system. He’d get absolutely crushed and wouldn’t be all that effective in that kind of role. That being said he’s a great talent and a team player and is one guy I wouldn’t mind seeing developed in the Avs system if it doesn’t come with too big of a price tag.
Bacashihua signing now on Capgeek front page
so, I guess it’s pseudo official
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 8:47 AM MDT reply actions
no official word though
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Cool part about that is my NHL10 game is accurate again.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
YEAH!!!!!
Sherman broke his cherry.
Now… about this LW problem we have……..
I’m new here, so I may have missed it, but Maxim Afinogenov is still out there. He had a great year in Atlanta and is a good finisher. As much as I’d like Kovalchuk, sighing him could seriously put a team in a pickle a few years down the road. Especially if he gets a no trade clause. Afinogenov brings a lot of excitement and can be gotten for a fraction. And he’s still fairly young at 31 I believe.
I see Afinogenov as the next Marek Svatos. Or vise versa.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, it’s true they have had parallel careers to this point. I just think there is much more talent in Afinogenov and he’s had a revival this year on a very bad team. I’d like to see what he could do with some decent centers.
Afinogenov is to much of a liability on the D and unless you are a 40-50 goal scorer Sacco will sit you
by avalanchejef on Jul 2, 2010 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
As far as being in a pickle from his contract, I still think reading DDC’s write up shows that we really wouldn’t be that bad off. Tighter than we are now, but not sky is falling kind of problems.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Aph on Jul 2, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
So much depends on what Kovie wants. He may be asking for the moon for a few days only to see what he can get. If the Avs want to avoid that mess, I don’t blame them, I just hope that if he does come down to $8M-$8.5M cap hit, the Avs are playing ball.
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Oh for sure, I just figured since Sasha was new here, that would be a good read about how we COULD pull it off. But yeah, it sounds like his asking price is a lot higher than we all hoped it would be.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by Aph on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m an Avs fan first, Thrasher’s fan second. I followed the Kovy drama this season. He swore he wanted to stay in Atlanta. The only thing, supposedly, that kept him from staying there was .5 million. Rumor is the SKA of St. Petersburg of the KHL is willing to pay him that and more, but you always have to take Russian news with a grain of salt. I think he’s not going to settle for anything more than an insane amount of money. Don’t get me wrong. If there is some way the Avs could pull it off I’d be ecstatic.
Now that you mention it though, he might be the perfect fit! He apparently likes performing in front of empty stands with no fans!
Kovie’s contract will be a de facto NMC.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I think we should spend all day dicecting that Bacashihua signing.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 9:15 AM MDT reply actions
Lost in everything that didn't happen yesterday
Is that Darryl Sutter has gone completely mad, and it’s really a joy to watch.
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Darryl Sutter just said the reaction to Jokinen deal has been “really really positive” from “people that are important.” (via FAN 960)
hahahahaha… oh you silly silly GM you
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
He must rely on the whims of Very Serious People just like politicians do.
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Yeah, the NW is clearly no longer a power house in the west. Even as things stand now it should be between us and the Nucks for the division.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
it will be a lot of fun…unless Calgary finishes ahead of us
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Even if CGY finishes ahead of us, I think we can take solace that we are on an upward swing. CGY appears to be heading towards a brick wall, and Sutter thinks the solution is to hit the gas.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
No but he is on the Leaf’s bus, which is just about as bad? So we have that going for us… which is nice.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s not only on the Leafs bus, he’s the tour guide!
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by Americanario on Jul 2, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
has anyone been over to M & G I imagine it’s all sunshine over there.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m sure they are burying themselves in loads of Corsi pity.
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not as bad as I thought it would be, very critical of Sutter for some reason.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Sutter has gone insane
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
like this is something new?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater's Projected Lineup
We have very little size anywhere in the line up and the defense scares me. But apparently Sherman is cool with that, so moving on to something more realistic.
Would you give TJ the first shot at the top line? I would be inclined to let Jones have the first go and stick TJ on the 3rd with Radar along with some serious PK time. Radar and Gali had great chemistry going early last season.
Galiardi-Stastny-Stewart
Mueller-Duchene-Hejduk
Jones-O’Reilly-Yip
Winnik-Stoa-McLeod-Koci-Porter-Dupuis ????
Hannan-Quincey
Cumiskey-Foote
Liles-Wilson
Anderson-Budaj
I think Jones will earn the spot in training camp. He’s more explosive with his speed than TJ — or at least he was back before the injury. That may all be different now.
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I’ve got a feeling management thinks Stoa is the LW of the future, despite his slow start as a rookie.
literally slow start?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
His second stride isn’t all that overwhelming either.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
or his third.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m going to go ahead and jump to his (n + 1) ’th stride so we can all call it a day here
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s tired by his 4th stride anyway.*
*I actually kind of like Stoa. I have no idea why I am doing this.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
But according to the scouting reports
his (n+2) th stride is when he really takes off.
interesting
Every right leg stride or left leg stride?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Depends
on which way he wants to turn. Usually the right leg, since he’s playing on the left wing. Otherwise he’d just speed right through the glass.
ohhhhhhh
3 rights turns = a left turn
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Oooofa. Of course, they’re the experts, but I sure didn’t see a lot out of Stoa in the few glimpses I had last year. Not a lot at all*.
*Then again, I was sure Shawn Bradley would become one of the greatest NBA centers of all time, so my judgement might be a bit off.
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Mike, DDC ....
can we ban someone for this footnote thing?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
footenote
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
Shawn Bradley striking a nerve?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
How long before people start listing the line ups with Stastny as the 2nd line center?
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by Americanario on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Forsberg was always listed #2…
Also, I would prefer SoS playing against the oppositions first line. Does that impact the line #’s?
Finally, does it matter?
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
OK, so it’s pretty obvious the RFAs are gonna get paid if only to get the Avs to the cap floor so Toronto can send Kronke a revenue sharing check next year. By the way, this puts those RFAs in a greater bargaining position I think. But what would I know about savvy NHL GMish kind of stuff. I mean, if I were GM and I had no intention of even touching Kovi I would have at least made a token effort for the fans or even to drive up the price to my Western Conference competitors.
So, of the RFAs we are going to show the money who frightens you the most? Me? I think it’s Stewart. He’s slated to get the biggest contract and I absolutely mistrust any player that breaks out in his contract year. Frankly, he scares me a little bit. There, I said it.
I hear ya. Stewart at least brings the physical qualities to the table, though, and has good trade value if we struggles. My worry is Quincey because he can compare his ice time to guys like Liles and Hannan.
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see, this is why i like the idea of torres. is he the most physical forward out there? no. but he’ll throw some hits and fit the teams overall speed and grit philosohpy
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
He used to annoy the heck out of me when we played Edmonton, so he probably would be a good pickup. We need more guys willing to get dirty who can also play.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Summer of Winnik.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
yep, the annoyance factor is why I dig him as well. hate that guy.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Adam Foote's nose hates that guy, too
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Ditto
Stewart looked noticeably slower at the end of last season. I think (baseless internets speculation warning!) that he was out of shape*. I have questions about his commitment to being the best he can be. I’ve already gone on record as saying he’s the one I’m most worried about crashing back to earth next year.
*Even if it was just fatigue, that’s often the result of being in good enough shape.
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It’s TJ for me, first line LW all year? I’m nervous. But anyone who fell in love with their press from last year…. We’ll know in traing camp who’s hungry.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Volchenkov for 4.25M per would have been an awesome pickup for a team in desparate need of some physicality on the blue line. Good thing the Avs don’t need that. /sarcasm
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Kovy
If New Jersey signs Kovy does that put Parise on the trade block? If so Maybe a package that includes Cumiskey (Its a stretch but Lou could see him as a Rafalski clone). But there would alot more to the package.
I believe any talk of Parise going to Colorado (or anywhere else) is a pipe dream.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
and I read all summer about how the Hawks would have to trade Patrick Sharp.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
im surprised they chose sharp over buff and versteeg
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m not. Buff is a great player, but he’s just a role player. He’s not a supremely talented individual. Sharp is better all-around.
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i thought versteeg had a lot of potential. whatever happened to him coming here? that wouldve been fantastic
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
no, im sure he’s too busy for a call right now
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
psh, Sherman always has time to chat with me. I’m like the son he never had!
[does he have a son? i dont even know…]
Thanks Joe...
Don’t wake the poor man up! He’s still exhausted from yesterday.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
lots of nap time.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
those 36 holes will do a number on you.
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by Americanario on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
No offense Joe, but Byfuglien and great player don’t belong in the same paragraph, let alone sentence. He was loved in Chicago because when he finally gave a rip, he was decent.
He’s not going to have Kane and Toews to sponge off of in Atlanta, and you are going to see the lazy player the rest of Chicago (and I) saw on a regular basis (when not playing Vancouver or SJ)
Help help! I'm being repressed!
I guess I should have been more specific and said “Buff was a great player at times…”
But yeah, we agree.
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Seconded.
"Four goals in sixteen shots... I'm really tired of the...............25% rule." -John Tortorella
I think the Volchenkov deal actually lessened their cap space, so it would be a hell of a deal by Lou.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
But they put 7.5 million on D in the last two days and that will last for another 4 years. Then a big deal to Kovy for 10 years. Looking at least 15 million for for those three guys. And you still have Arnot, Ellias and Martins contracts. That doesn’t leave much room. I am sure it can be done and Lou of all people can do it. I just don’t see the odds being very good.
A pipe dream that makes me feel happy inside though.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
like the avs signing bobby ryan from an offer sheet
by canucklehead272 on Jul 2, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
definitely paint drying day
adater: I’m hearing from insiders that it’ll be another quiet day around the Avs.
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
Well, that means I can go start my laundry and not have to worry about missing anything besides witty banter.
Thanks Joe...
where were you getting that from?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I am wildly cheering the grass in the backyard. “Keep Growing MF’er’s!!!”
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Sherm has faith it will grow. Without any fertilizer or water.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh yes, the “build from within” mantra.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
The alternative is the in-depth analysis of trading for a fourth liner and signing an AHL goalie. I’m surprised it hasn’t devolved to us wondering if the Avs could win the Cup with a miniature Mike Ditka as coach.
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Penalty, Avs #100 – 5 minutes – roundhouse kick to the face with a skate and a game misconduct.
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
Source of inactivity?
Personally, I’m not buying 100% into the “build from within” mantra. Stan is about to buy the Rams, keeps upping his share of Arsenal, and has such a sweet gig going with his Denver empire that he’ll keep making money even if the Can is only 2/3rd full. My take? He’s going cheap on us. Yes, the team has a certain amount of deserved faith in their youngsters. Yes, they’ve been burned by a few of their free agent signings recently. But to not think that the team could improve, both short-term and long-term, by signing one or two upgrades via free agency is just insane, imo.
Bummer. I’ll check back in later today to see if PL is really still in the picture and isn’t being shackled by an owner who just doesn’t care anymore. I’m no longer holding my breath.
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Most likely, but I will give the benefit of the doubt right now, but if they are gunshy at the trade deadline and next year I’ll be all over them.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
you know it, and they sure should be scared of some hack on the internet who posts drunk a third of the time.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
You never know with Wonky Kroenke.
Sorry, that contributes nothing I just wanted to say “Wonky Kroenke”
Wondering
this is all just out loud wondering, but…
If Stan is going to transfer ownership to his son/nephew/3rd cousin would a franchise with more value be taxed more heavily. It may be possible (although I’m no expert in accounting) that he’s devaluing the Avs a little so that the taxes of transfering ownership aren’t as bad when it goes to Kroneke Jr.
This could all be wildly wrong, but it would at least make some sense… which nothing seems to do right now.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Allright,
I’ll get my broom…
I know my name is spelled "Luxury Yacht" but it's actually pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove.
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The JPF and the Detroit Red Wings! And Red Wing fans. Ok, I truly hate three things...
by Luxury Yacht on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Certainly possible. He hasn’t been willing to sink anything extra into the Nugs either lately. But I’m no expert on this sort of thing.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
How much of a delay do you think there is in the valuation though? I mean, if Pepsi Center were to explode tomorrow, sure the Av’s value would drop overnight? But I think it’s going to take a full bad season for the valuation to really change. That being said, I’m talking out of my ass and am not really sure how a franchise is valued for tax purposes. Can you do it at cost?
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Not spending to the cap, like they usually do, is probably the quickest way to devalue it short term, and the easiest thing to recoup after the transfer has taken place.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
It would take a while
Cost really wouldn’t factor in. Part of the value would probably be based on the discounted revenue stream, using numbers over several years. Chasing people out of the seats for a year or two wouldn’t help that much. Also, the liability for future contracts would come off the value of the franchise. Right now, having $120 million in future payments due to Kovie might actually be the best thing they could do to bring the value down, actually.
Yeah, this is the kind of thing I do. It’s just as exciting as it sounds.
Right, so if Stan is looking to transfer the team soon-ish I’m not sure tanking the franchise could happen fast enough to benefit him tax-wise. But let’s go ahead and assume that our billionaire owner has more business acumen than I do.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll assume he's better than me too
I mean, how could I miss the “marry a Walton heiress” play?? That’s fundamental stuff. :)
But Stan is smart enough to know one thing – if you lose $1 to save $.50 in taxes, you’re still out $.50. I don’t really buy the idea that he’s intentionally trying to keep the team from succeeding as some sort of tax play.
I posted on this a bit above. Generally speaking it goes like this:
Sports valuations are all about revenue and how much of it you can keep (ie who owns the building). The accountants look at payroll but they don’t attempt valuation of the contracts.
(Not to sound snottish, but trust me on this. I studied it in b-school and have discussed it with the man who did the valuations of the Kroenke teams a few years ago.)
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
That’s actually kind of perverse then, coming from the perspective of a casual fan who may think the Forbe’s rankings are popularity contest.
Congratulations your favorite franchise is doing a good job of taking your money without re-investing it in the club!
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Well if they lose the fan base revenue goes down and the downward spiral can start at any moment. That is why I am so upset with the organization.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey, if you studied in business school, that gives you the right to tell BiB what he should think about the Broncos this season. Don’t waste this opportunity.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Good times at MHR. I just finally changed my sig. The Avs have “inspired” me.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Its all about the "A"
Because Kroenke wasn’t willing to pay for the other 25 letters.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol. I have no idea what the reference is here, so I am just going to lol anyways ;)
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Pretty simple
One of the writers for MHR, who shall remain unnamed, has a tendency to be an overbearing jerk (his YouTube username is his first name followed by the word “murder”, for an idea of his personality). He actually told BiB one time that he knows more than BiB does about the Broncos because “I am a business major in college, after all”.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Typical. In that case, lol is justified. He probably went to CU :D
For the record, I make fun of my degrees all the time and I generally hate pulling the b-school card. I know how easy it is to graduate with a BSBA ;)
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m fairly certain that it’s somewhere in California. I’d dog him for the CU thing for sure. I’d dog anyone for CU. I’m a proud CSU Ram (I am an agricultural education major in college, after all) class of 2011, baby.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
What about
CU-Colorado Springs
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah, their cool.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, that’s not the People’s Republic. Not as bad as normal CU, I suppose.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Honestly, I don’t even know what that is. CU has the “dirty hippie” stereotype, but I guess I dunno what we have. Aggies, I guess, which is fine with me.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
don't forget the
burning, bitter, jealous hatred of CU.
You hit all the notes perfectly with that first post… :)
I know my CSU undergrad program has consistently ranked better than CU’s while costing less. School rankings are full of bullshit but its fun to say that anyways.
In the end, CU and CSU are of the same cloth. State universities full of granola Colorado kids. Heckling the Buffs is just good for humour.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
(That was my inferred point.)
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I prefer double-ply. You get more sheets per roll with single play but you use 3x as much. And it feel so much nicer.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a stereotype
Cam the Ram has huge balls. Seriously. Ewes must fear him.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
CSU stereotype
Farmers and rednecks
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I think this is the stereotype for all State Universities versus Universities. MS State started as MS A&M, and has huge vet, ag, forestry programs, but is also known for engineering and education. U of M has the doctors and lawyers, and are therefore pricks. :-)
Mississippi
I think both universities in Mississippi get the redneck stereotype.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
There's that mississippi education working
not thinking again
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I have absolutely no issue with that
I dunno if I could accurately be described as a redneck in the derogatory sense of the word, but I’ve been called redneck, hick, cowboy, country, and a mess of other things. I am a farm kid, though our primary business is a sheep feedlot of anywhere from 10,000-100,000 sheep depending on the time of year(cue velcro glove jokes, I’ve heard ’em all). Total, we have about 1,000 acres between the farm and the feedlot.
I’m an ag kid. My major is Ag Education. I’m gonna be an ag teacher/FFA advisor. I can usually be found rocking Cinch jeans, Tony Lama boots, and a Resistol cowboy hat. I fully embrace the state university stereotype.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Oh man we need some sheep are stupid stories. You have to have some funny ones.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Not really
All of my sheep are stupid stories just want to make me shoot someone. Like the time when a buddy of mine shot at a coyote in one of the fields and ~8,000 sheep broke down the fences in their pens. Or every time I go to Billings to get a load of feeder lambs or the packing plant in Denver with a load of fat lambs, and they just stare at me like, “There’s no damn way I’m getting on (or off) that truck.”
The worst was a blizzard a few years back a couple days before Christmas (I think 2006). Two of my brothers had set out for the packing plant in Denver (basically 58th and Washington) in the morning, and the roads were closed at 120th Ave. One of our trucks then was a junky 1995 Ford L9000 that is now on a dump box that I haul compost with. The other was a 1990 Kenworth T600 with a tag axle (only one of the rear axles has power, the other just “tags” along; basically a 2-wheel drive in truck terms). They had to turn around, and when they got back, we pretty much had to drag every one of those big bastards off the trailers (you can get ~350 150lb. lambs on a normal trailer). They had been on those trucks so long that they wouldn’t come off, and fats are tough to unload anyway. It was awful. A blizzard ain’t the time to be doing that.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Man I just hope the Rams destroy the Buffs in Mile High this year.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It was amusing last year when CU refused to extend the Mile High agreement to squeeze in a home game and lost.
It also amuses me how much $ CU will be paying to leave the Big XII when they can’t even afford to buy Hawkins. Although, this will probably mean even more tuition hikes for my family members in school at CU :(
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Or it will mean
that CU is going to be making tons more money in the 12-Pac, and can more easily justify the decision to buyout Hawkins. Which they could have afforded to do last year, but feared the political ramifications of spending the money.
If by amusing you mean “reasonable to want to play a home game when you actually play in a division I stadium”, then I would concur.
Aww c’mon. Mile High is way better for that game. Neutral site for a regional rivalry and another 23,000 seats for fans of both teams instead of a paltry 50k. Playing at Mile High also generates more excitement for the game.
CU wanting to have a home game in the series is like the spoiled brat taking his ball home because he doesn’t want to share with the other kids.
Re: money in the Pac12. It might pay out in the long run but it is pretty clear that CU panicked and ran first to hold a spot in the Pac10’s failed super-conference attempt. CU’s revenue in the Pac 10 will be similar to their Big 12 revenue if the status quo were to hold (~$10MM). Until the TV deals are done its hard to say how things will turn out. Until then, CU athletics has cashflow issues and a ‘Division 1 Stadium’ that doesn’t sell out. Oh, and that pesky coaching contract.
The Colorado athletic department remains in deep debt with most of an $8 million loan from the campus and the CU system in 2006 still to be paid off. Part of that debt was caused by the last coaching change when athletic director Mike Bohn fired Gary Barnett at the end of the 2005 season and hired Hawkins. (per ESPN)
And now they need to dig up another $10MM to exit the Big 12. At least CU profs get to go to the annual Pac12 dinner and talk to the Berkley profs.
The real winner in all this is Washington State University. I am sure they are eager to finally get a Pac10 win when CU joins the schedule.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Also
I wonder how much of the rest of the school’s budget goes to Ward Churchill.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
The same amount
as the amount of CSU’s budget that goes to him.
Funny how you guys are still so hung up on one idiot ex-professor. At least at CU the idiots stand out in the crowd. :)
Because unfortunately in this world, it’s the idiots that have a voice. CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News wouldn’t be in business if it weren’t for idiots. They neither employ nor talk to rational people.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
You forgot to add
ESPN. lol
Trust me, I have no love for ol’ Chief Churchill. I find his like of integrity nauseating. It’s just that the only people I know of who give him a second thought these days seem to be CSU and lil’ red fans.
Uh, I meant to say...
I find hislikelack of integrity nauseating.
Sadly, not even the best typo of the last couple days around here.
Isn't that how it should be, though?
Avs and Wings fans give each other crap about stuff that happened in 1996 that nobody else will ever remember.
I think that’s the beauty of a rivalry – and I don’t buy the notion that CU doesn’t think of CSU as a rival, even if we’re not on the level of Nebraska or whomever they will drum up in the Pac 12. Some fans may not, but most do. Just like Nebraska claims that CU never has been their real rival. That’s crap, and everyone knows it. And the university obviously does.
That’s what I like about something where there’s history. Anything and everything gets remembered. It’s great.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Been tear gassed lately?
How’s your greatest QB ever doing on the professional skateboarding circuit (or whatever it is he was equipped to do in life)?
Where do you buy your velcro gl (ah, you already used that one…)
Yeah, there’s probably a few of those to go around.
And Berkeley is the most annoying universe in the nation, mostly because of that Michael Pollan character.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
Sorry, but no
They don’t need to dig up $10 million to get out of the Big XII. That comes out of their revenue checks due from the conference, and the amount is still substantially in doubt. $10 million is actually more than any estimate I’ve heard of the amount that didn’t come from a UT mouthpiece.
As it is, the 12-Pac is fronting them the money. And as of this week, talk is that the TV revenue alone from the 12-Pac will be more in the $15 million or more per year per school range. That’s before basketball tourney conference revenues or anything else. Right now CU’s total in the Big XII is less than $10 million. So, status quo?? Not even close. Even if they are paying back the 12-Pac for a few years for the lost Big XII revenue, they will still be bringing in more money than the Big XII has been paying them.
That loan from the campus was mostly for building club suites (those are cool places that sit on top of real stadiums with paved parking lots – you guys get to see them once a year at Invesco… :) ) Barnett’s buyout was a fraction of $8 million dollars, and much of that has already been paid off. And donors were there to buy out Hawkins. Wouldn’t have cost CU a cent. But the administration was afraid of political appearances when they were trying to get more funding from the state legislature. THAT is why he’s still there, not because they couldn’t afford to make the move. Either way, I’m sure you’re thrilled. Keeping CU at 3-9 gives you a fighting shot at winning your one game season every year… lol
WSU is a winner in this. Their league just got stronger. Must hurt to know that not even they are interested in playing your school though… That said, Utah is the biggest winner. They get to play with the big boys now.
(You did say this was all in fun, right??)
Nothing but fun...
My sister and brother-in-law are going to CU and I hope the school does them well. That doesn’t mean I don’t rib them on it. They told her CU is becoming a freaking Ivy league school at her orientation for crying out loud. Just don’t mention their State U sized sub $600MM endowment when they flirt with Berkely. Its all about the hubris in Boulder.
Talk to me when those TV numbers actually happen. I am not connected to CU as you appear to be so I will take your word on the internal workings there.
Regardless, is CU really so badass that it can’t even get rid of Hawkins? What does that say? Whatever the reasoning here are facts. You still have a losing 16 and 33 football coach at the helm, athletic sanctions (more were announced the same day as your PAC12 move!), and national media scandals literally every few years. How do you intend to fill those club seats with all this going on much less the stands? And yes, I know what a club seat is. We have them at the University of Notre Dame but I prefer being outside with 80,000 fans inside our FULL stadium.
CSU football isn’t BCS caliber and I can admit it. CU is talks elite but lowly CSU just beat them in Football and Men’s and Women’s sports on a fraction of the budget. Coach McCartney (whom I admire) is gone.
Toledo also thanks CU for a BCS win this year.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish I could argue with you
But yes, right now they are going along with a pathetic, losing coach. The Tony Granato of college football – only with 100% more irritating personality quirks. If you think hockey expert has been upset the last couple days, you should have seen me when word came along that Mike Bohn had everything in place to get Hawkins out the door, only to be overruled by Bruce Benson and Phil DiStefano for political reasons and because they were hoodwinked by Danny’s talk of “doing things the right way”. If he is still coaching there when CU hits the 12-Pac… well, just imagine HE learning that Kovie was sitting outside the doors at the Pepsi Center yesterday, on his cell phone begging to be let in to sign a contract @ $5 million a year. I don’t expect he will be, though.
But CU’s “hubris” isn’t based on what’s happening there now. CU fans recognize it’s a disgrace. But don’t forget, it was less than 9 years ago they were percentage points from the BCS title game. And were Big XII champions. There are a few north titles since then. We don’t expect to stay where we are. 3-9 isn’t acceptable. Losing to CSU (sorry) and Toledo isn’t acceptable.
As for the sanctions – this last one was no surprise. In fact, CU has already assessed the penalty against themselves. I don’t understand all the details, but it’s something about the effect of a good 2004 academic record falling out of their APR calculations, and a really horrible 2005 dragging down the improved numbers since then. Something like that. The last penalty before that had to do with a violation for not charging walk-ons enough to eat at the training table. They self-reported the violation, proposed their own penalty, only to see the NCAA repeal the rule a month or two later. Such a shocking abuse of the rules!! And don’t even get me started on previous national media “scandals”. The media was the truly scandalous party there.
Yeah, filling the club seats is an issue. That’s part of why they still have the debt they do. Hopefully the folks at the top will start to understand the connection and make some moves to change things. But the regular attendance is far less of an issue than it’s made out to be. A far greater % (FAR greater) of seats filled than CSU, who has a much smaller stadium. Turn things around, and there will be no issues there at all.
Now let’s talk Notre Lame. Speaking of hubris with pretty much nothing to back it up lately. lol
Nice try downplaying your sanctions. CU was one of two BCS schools to have football hit for low APR – quite a feet considering the academics at most football schools. Added to recruiting violations over the years – its juicy!
ND’s last coach made two BCS bowl games and the school was still able to fire him politically and financially while still filling the stadium. Just sayin. Also a big bit ironic when you use past performance at CU as a good thing and then accuse ND of not backing it up lately. lol indeed.
Going hiking now, this is my last post but I’ll read if you reply later.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 3, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Just saying – you can bring up those sanctions if you want, but the fact is that they relate to something that happened 5 years ago, and the APR numbers are much better now. The sanctions are not against the current roster. Not sure which “recruiting violations over the years” you’re talking about?? Feeding walk ons on the cheap? Oh noes!! Skippy giving away a few sweatshirts?? That’s starting to look a lot more like the coach than the school now, isn’t it? Or maybe you’re another person still pretending recruits don’t party at their school. I like to call those folks delusional. I’ll bet even TD Jesus could tell a story or two.
You were the one that brought up “hubris” and started talking about current records, not me. I would really think that’s a subject a Golden Gomer might want to avoid. If you want to live in Notre Lame’s past, don’t dismiss CU’s. By the way – 10-9. And it was a clip.
Catch you on Labor Day at the “we’re ashamed of our home field classic”. If it doesn’t end differently this time, I might have to go just a little bit Claude Lemieux on Dan Hawkins…
This thread is dead but you asked what recruiting violations I was mentioning. Cheers if you get this.
Sanctions: Did you miss the 53 violations, 51 of them when Slick Rick was coach, from a few years ago? Most were involving recruiting violations.
Your food violations (Classified as Major by the NCAA) were under Barnett I believe (were they?). I guess that is minor in comparison to scandals involving sex and alcohol to recruit under Barnett. No wonder the kicker alleged rape.
Hawkins seems to be more clean but dealing with prior regimes’ sins. He just turns to nepotism instead.
As I said, I hold McCartney in high regard. I might like CU more if they hadn’t hired 3 crap coaches and tried to win at all costs since he left.
Closing other thoughts:
On the clip. Meh, it was too close to call, could have gone either way, and close calls are part of football. I won’t demand a resignation from the ref. The Chiefs got away with far worse en route to embarrassing the Broncos with those returns are few years ago. Sports…
You mentioned just missing a BCS title. We have those near misses as well. ND losing the NC to FSU despite beating them was a catalyst for the creation of the BCS. It is unfortunate that CU ran into the same situation a few years later after the BCS was enacted. We can share in this misery, yes?
The Hubris comment was about CU acting like they are an Ivy School. Which is ridiculous. A misguided sense of CU’s football past glory does seem to pop up from time to time, however. I am amazed that you would cite CU’s one NC from 20 years ago as winning tradition while making fun of the struggles of a program with 11 NCs. Its more amazing when those struggles are less than CU’s.
You like to gloat over CSU, rightfully so, about football. ND just returns the favor, rightfully so. So does Nebraska.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 3, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Forgot
Just a note: Kordell’s hail mary to beat Michigan is still an all-time favorite of mine. I was cheering.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 3, 2010 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
FYI
Yes, they’ve been burned by a few of their free agent signings recently.
The Hannan and Smyth contracts weren’t what burned the Avs (as is common thought). The Clark, Salei, Tucker, Foote, and Liles contracts kept the Avs from re-signing guys like Brunette, Sauer, and keeping Smyth.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Clark … Salei … Liles. Man, we healthy scratched Kovie’s contract on daily basis last season.
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yeah
that too.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
RealKyper: The Edmonton Oilers have put Sheldon Souray on waivers.
hmm, didn’t really think they’re go that route
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
You can still buyout players after the buyout period, its that you are only allowed three of those types of buyouts during the life of the current CBA.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
interesting...
still thinks a bottom feeder nabs him (Atlanta?) to meet the cap floor. Oh wait…Colorado may need to reach it… who would have thought…lol
With Preissing’s buyout and re-signing the RFAs, the Avs would only need a minor transaction or two to reach the floor.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
funny how we worry about the cap floor this year...
next year it may be harder to reach if Hejduk, Foote, and Hannan move on. Would have to hope one of the RFA next year break out (Jones) to eat some of that cap up.
Anderson will be due a hefty raise next year, but as it stands right now, they only have five players signed for 2011-12. Maybe they make some kind of trade during the year that will change things.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Anyone else worried about Andy? If he pulls a Jim Carey this year, no harm done. But if he’s the same Andy again this year, will he want to test the market? If he has the exact same season, I venture his agent can make the argument that he is among the five best goalies in the game.
Is it smart to pay a goalie $5M these days? Are the “build from within” Avs going to pony up? Can the Pepsi Center withstand a firebombing if he isn’t renewed?*
If Andy does it again, we’ll have some competition if he hits the market.
* This is a joke and is in no way a terrorism threat. My terrorism threats are in bold and uppercase.
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Maybe it's just me
I can’t see Andy going anywhere else, and in all honesty, I think he’d take a pretty significant discount to stay here. The fans absolutely adore him, and he knows that. The team is on the upswing. He can play all he wants and more. This is just the perfect situation for him, and he’s pretty down-to-earth.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
as long as that discount is to his actual value, and not exactly what the market is willing to pay, i’m ok with it.
but damnit avs, do NOT lowball him when it comes time to renew (as long as his performance stays pat)
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mwuahaha
Agreed 100%
I certainly wouldn’t advocate a low-ball offer. Just saying that I don’t think he’d pull a Theodore on us.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
and on top of it, we were the only team that has given him a starting role, and that has to count for something.
i’m hoping he stays with us for a long time, and that he continues to stand on his head night in and night out making other teams look silly.
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
Is it smart to pay a goalie $5M these days?
If Andy can continue to perform the way he did in the playoffs this year, the answer is abosolutely YES!
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Is it smart to pay a goalie $5M these days?
If the Avs’ ‘build from within’ mantra continues, and they keep signing unknown kids to decent contracts, they will probably have absolutely no problems spending that much on a goalie. It all comes down to working well within the cap era.
Thanks Joe...
Torres
Hopefully get him short term and cheap, and would be a decent stop-gap.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
In the NBA they have a luxury tax for teams over the cap. Would the opposite be a poverty tax if a team comes in under a cap floor? What kind of punishment does a team get for not reaching the cap floor?
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I think every team has to reach the floor. And I think lower payroll teams get some sort of revenue share from teams that care.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
So, who will sign first? Kovie or Lebron.
Can’t even watch Brazil lose in the World Cup with out hearing about Lebron….
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That was quite the shocker. Brazil had the game in hand and then just stopped playing.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Brazil didn’t stop playing, they went into full implosion mode.
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by Americanario on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Slept to late
Wait a minute. Brazil lost today?
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Kovalchuk. Lebron can’t sign until July 8th.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
GAAAAHHHHH
I am a huge Netherlands fan, and was Tivoing it and staying away from twitter.
But I’m happy to hear the Orange won.
WOOHOO
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m an Orange fan too (well, after Germany and Spain), but Robben and Van Perise were diving around like they were Portuguese. Not exactly complaining, but I was hoping for a more dignified upset.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
ugghh
that’s too bad. One of the reasons I like the Orange is because they don’t (usually) dive.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
You mean Oranje. I lived there during the 1998 world cup. I am glad to get revenge on those Brazilians.
by avalanchejef on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
cap floor
What’s Craig Andersons current contract? Wonder if the Avs would work up an extension for him with a hefty raise as a way of increasing the cap hit?
Nope. Any extension won’t impact their cap number until it kicks in.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t affect this year’s hit.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I’m still reading gentlemen. I suggest, Syl and DDC, that you invest in some little blue pills cuz that spell I just cast is gonna keep you down for a long, long time otherwise. But feel free to keep the joke running, guys! This could get super fun. =p
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by Beachie on Jul 2, 2010 10:39 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I’m 39. my medicine cabinet is already full of them.
(not really)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I am a red pill kinda guy, sorry.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
woah
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
Story out of LA...
From Helene Elliott of the LA Times is that Kovalchuk wants $10 mil a year for 10-12 years.
Ouch…
I think he’s doing a good job of pricing himself out of a job. Or, he will create another Atlanta situation where it’s him surrounded by a bunch of third liners because that’s all the team can afford.
I know my name is spelled "Luxury Yacht" but it's actually pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove.
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The JPF and the Detroit Red Wings! And Red Wing fans. Ok, I truly hate three things...
Yep and there are probably at the most three teams seriously pursuing him at the moment. Forget the dollar amount the Avs wouldn’t be involved based on term. They don’t like giving out contracts longer then five years.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I could do a couple years at ten with a few years of declining numbers ending in $1mm for a couple years.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
That would explain the quote from last night
that Kovie might have overplayed his hand.
His only hope of getting that price is that somebody (probably LA) panics at the idea of competing against all the teams that would be interested in him once that price drops a couple mil a year.
His only hope of getting that price is thatsomebody (probably LA) panics at the idea of competing against all the teams that would be interested in him once that price drops a couple mil a year.he goes to the KHL
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
The guys last night on NHL Home Ice were saying that he wouldn’t end up getting near what ATL offered him 6 months ago. They said if he would be willing to lower his price to 7.5 or 8 a lot more teams would talk to him.
If that were the case, he’d have alot more teams coming after him. It says something if only LA and NJ are involved.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
We’ll see how interested he is in that winning idea. I don’t blame him for shooting for the stars, but all the good teams are too smart for that kind of hit. I hope LA backs off and let’s Kovie get so pissed he fires his agent.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Next two stops for Kovie
1. Reality
2. Denver
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is reasonable.
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
If that's true
…then I’ve suddenly switched to “let’s get Kovie” to “fuck Kovalchuk.”
I get the fact that athletes, especially the elite ones, should get paid a hell of a lot of money. But why $10 million/year? Why not 8, 8.5, or 9? What the hell? I guess the question that we need to understand is what does he care about? Nobody’s suggesting that he takes some home-town discount just to play on a good team. So what does he want? That extra $2 million/year, which nobody else in the league is getting and no teams in the league are giving, isn’t really that big of a deal, is it?
If it’s true I hope he goes to the KHL where his skills will deteriorate against mediocre competition.
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Exactly. He’s not Ovechkin. He’s not Crosby. He’s probably a Sedin, but he wants more than those guys?
If he brings his numbers down to where they belong, he’ll have so many job offers, and I hope we’re one of them. But If he goes J.D. Drew, I hope he enjoys playing against Jagr and Zubov.
It’s an odd conundrum. I have no loyalty to Kovie other than I want to watch him play, but I’ll be more upset if we sign him for $10M than if we didn’t sign him at all. And I really want us to sign him.
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by Dixomatic on Jul 2, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
that’s about where my stance is too. i’d be a little sad if he went somewhere other than here for 7.5 or so, but if someone is insane enough to cripple their team’s cap for the next 10 years at 10 per, good for him, bad for them, and no thank you kovy
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
His sticking point in Atlanta was .5 mil. If I recall correctly, he was offered $10 mil/year but wanted $10.5. He publicly said he loved Atlanta – over and over. He still plans on keeping his mansion, that he just had built, there. Either it’s really true and he’s a greedy bastard, or he’s lying to everyone and anyone. I’m not sure I want either on the Avs. (But I wouldn’t cry if we got him.)
Nothing official, but Higgins is about to sign with Florida, one-year $1.6 million. This according to Kevin Allen of USA Today.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM MDT reply actions
I was kinda enjoying the thought of signing him this morning. Even though I didnt know much about him until about 3 hours ago.
Thanks Joe...
then I’m old school higgins, I thought about it last night.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
A statement
The Avs have the best nucleus in the league and their young D are just awesome, potentially better than Vancouver’s now (who are the best group of 6 in the league). Why sign anybody, we already 3 of our top 6 forwards with more than 1 year of experience. Plus, look at the depth if someone (say a top line forward lilke Jones) gets hurt. You have Stoa to step in or Haydar/Olver, those guys should be able to step right in. I don’t see any reason they shouldn’t be able to be competitve with Vancouver or SJ. Then in 2011 they can draft a crosby and he will step right into the line-up. Plus, galiardi and oreilly, jones could all be 30+ goal scorers and also Barrie and Shattenkirk will dominate at D in their rookie years. Just my thought. What a great team for being so far under the cap and having no one to resign next year of any significance besides Anderson.
(I’m going to regret this)
I don’t get how we can both be competitive with Vancouver and San Jose and yet be bad enough to have the #1 pick next year. Am I missing something?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
yep, I’m pretty sure the above was 110% sarcasm.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
still love that commercial
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I can’t believe I, of all people, got done in by sarcasm
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
you have to admit that’s a little funny :)
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
nope, that’s what I believe, Vancouver goes and gets Ballard and Hamhuis what a waste of money. They may have Bieska, Erhoff, Ballard, Salo, Hamhuis and Obrien now but they will have to get rid of some of them in 3-4 years. Plus, they only have the sedins and kesler for 5 more years. Eventually, maybe after they win the cup, they are going to have to rebuild and then (maybe 3-4 years) the Avs will be ready to step up once Olver and Hishon are ready, plus Burki. And there young d will resemble Johnson and Doughty I would think.
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
This sarcasm thing is really working out for you, you should go into professional sarcasming. Then you could just sarcasm the crap out of everyone.
by hedge_duck on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you may be right but the point I think of a site like this is to have a little banter and debate. I think that if someone posts something (for example yesterday- Doughty will get traded) that is so out there it needs to be corrected. Stuff like that is so ridiculous it makes it hard for the people who really want to discuss stuff to take this site seriously. I am a huge Avs fan and I really believe they will regress next year and that this team is going nowhere with Kroenke. People here are so skewed they don’t look at any details. The avs will be hard pressed to make the playoffs and unless you really think the current group is going to get so much better how can they posibbly compete. They didn’t even have 1 30 goal scorer but people say we don’t need to add anyone? Come on, that’s just not being sensible.
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with your sentiment
on the Avs. Regression is possible (probable in my eyes), but no one needs put in their place if they don’t agree.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's definitely a possibility
To me, Andy coming back to Earth for the whole season is the biggest reason I think it could happen. And breaking in young defensemen. To me, the forwards are the least of my concern, but I’ll admit there’s room for several of them to back up, too. OTOH, they might have better luck with the injury bug, Stewie might start playing right out of the gate this year instead of needing a trip down to wake up, Shatty, Cohen, Gaunce, etc. might prove to be a step up out of the box. It’s easy to see things that can happen on the downside, a little harder to see upside, but still possible.
I don’t want to see them regress. I want them in the playoffs and think they NEED to be in the playoffs to keep the fan support. But I also don’t want to see them making panic moves with 10 year max contracts or throwing money at 40 year olds (hello, Phx!!) just to say they’re doing “something”. To me, Michalek would actually have been a pretty successful FA season for them. If a decent LW prospect for the top 2 lines showed up at a price that is not certifiably insane, add that to the list of moves they needed to make. But I’m not buying the “sky is falling, worst in the league, non-competitive” lose every game 8-0 line of thinking, nor today’s attempt to start an argument against a case that hasn’t been made in the first place.
Andy
I actually think that’s won’t place where there will be very little regression at all. His Save % was .917, which is right around his career average since being sent to FLA. I think he’s the real deal.
even if/when some of the younger players get better (Yip, Galiardi) it doesn’t mean the results will get better. Yip had a 16.9% shooting percentage. Even if he creates a lot more shots, he’s not likely to shoot that well again. He may be a better player with less goals, which is called regression to the mean.
Forwards is where I’m most concerned, as there’s a reason to be worried about every single one other than Duchene (and kind of O’Reilly).
Yip: had awful shots numbers, and shots against numbers
Mueller 120 miserable games in PHX and 2 concussions in 3 years
Jones: Major injuries 3 years in a row
Galiardi: Played over his head all season, like Yip (but not as much.) I’m not as worried about him as long as everyone agrees he’s a very good 3rd line winger, not a 1st liner.
So yeah, if any one of those guys don’t work out, the Avs aren’t just fucker, but proper fucked.
I don’t think Kovi would be a panic move, I think it would be a well-thought out plan. Signing a second tier free agent for 1st tier money is a panic move. Kovi is a 1st tier player who wants 1st tier money.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
no ones talking about 10 year deals at 10M a year. If you’ve been reading this stuff, most are saying 8-8.5M for a top 3-4 LW in the league. He’s the only guy to score 40+ for 6 staright years I believe and he has upside with a good center.
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
This was posted here this morning
About 30 minutes before your first post. Reading other people’s opinions is often helpful, I find…
From Helene Elliott of the LA Times is that Kovalchuk wants $10 mil a year for 10-12 years.
Ouch…
I think he’s doing a good job of pricing himself out of a job. Or, he will create another Atlanta situation where it’s him surrounded by a bunch of third liners because that’s all the team can afford.
not what I meant, I don’t care what some report says, the AVS fans on this site are simply saying they should try at 8-8.5
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I know that
I’m one of the ones saying that.
But since he’s not currently available at that price, it seems logical to assume that all the arguments complaining that they haven’t signed him or been trying to sign him now would favor the higher price. If you favor him at $8-8.5 as most of us do, it seems you would be supporting the decision not to pay him $10-12.
There’s some rumors right now he wants $10M for 10 years. Which is lunacy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
You’re right in that the Avs wont make the playoffs. Almost certainly. But Sherman and Lacroix aren’t TRYING to make the playoffs next year. And maybe not the year after. They have resigned themselves to rebuilding and saving money in the mean time. Of course all of our kids won’t become superstars. But if we let them develop, see which pieces are worth keeping and which are superfluous, then we can add the final pieces of the puzzle.
At least, thats what they are trying to do.
Thanks Joe...
Everytime someone explains this I cry a little more inside. Maybe if I keep posting someone with the avs will hear me :(
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
okay, so I read what you just said and it makes no sense to me at least. Why would they not want to make the playoffs or expect to? Even if you are rebuilding as they were last year they should try to win. When would we add the remaining pieces of the puzzle? In this league the young guys are so good coming in they can take you to cup in 3 years max, look at what crosby/malkin and toews/kane did to those teams. The avs have a ton of money, not much to resign next year and don’t go get anybody. I’m telling you, they get Kovi (never happen so let’s quit talking about it) and say Volchenkov/Foster and maybe a Torres (soemone who can play physical) and they can compete now. What is there to wait for? They already have most of their core guys signed for next 2-3 years (or will once Mueller/stewart signed). There’s nothing to save the money for?
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
the avs may not be trying to win the cup this year but they are definately trying to make the playoffs, there is a ton of money to be made in the playoffs. I can see their rational as:
The young players will continue to improve, the team will improve because they are getting rid of the dead weight (tucker, clark, etc.) and so the avs should finish with 4-8 more points which would put them confortably into the playoffs.
I don’t agree with this personally and think they should add a forward and a defenseman to hedge their bet, but I can see where they are coming from. But they are definately trying to make the playoffs.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
All I am saying is that it takes time to develop young players. They are sacrificing this year’s success so that down the road they can have 10 years of it. If you lay your foundation badly you can’t build a dynasty on it. Sure the kids we have a good, but not great. They could become great. But if they get rushed, they may not meet their potential. They have to worry about disappointing a fan base, and they learn bad habits in their skating, they feel rushed into things.
Our kids are still that: Kids. Our second and third line centers are still teenagers, and 5 others have only been able to drink four a couple years. This is as much a mind game as it is anything else, and you don’t want to mess things up early on and ruin chances down the line.
Thanks Joe...
you don’t want to mess things up early on and ruin chances down the line.
Being a playoff team does not jeopardize the future of this team. The team took a big step forward and not we want to step backwards?
Checking out for 2 years to ‘mature’ is exactly what can ruin things down the line.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Checking out for 2 years to ‘mature’ is exactly what can ruin things down the line.
Spoken like the parents of every spoiled kid who hopped around Europe for 2 years after graduating from college.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish I was the parent of the Avs so I could administer some ‘sense’.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t necessarily agree that we’re going to take a step backwards…. certainly some individuals will, but hopefully, that’s balanced by others continuing to progress forward.
You used the exact word that has me worried. “Hopefully”
Go through the roster and do a quick risk/benefit analysis. Now recall how close the Avs were to missing the playoffs this year. The quest rests on the edge of a knife.
I am just arguing that we can/could make things a little more certain by bringing in some reinforcements in the meantime to keep us at a playoff level. The best part is that we can do this without stunting our ‘from within’ growth! There is no reason not to if you wanting a winning program.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I dont really mean that we WILL NOT make the playoffs… I may have misspoken in my first reply to HE. I just mean that making the playoffs is not the goal. The goal is to produce a dynasty hockey team. If we make the playoffs, then Huzzah! If not, then not. Its all about what will be best for the kids’ development so that we can hang more banners from the ceiling.
I really don’t think that its possible to take two steps backward based on this long view. Even if we regress win-wise, our kids will only gain experience, strength, and mental toughness. It will help us figure out our biggest weaknesses, and evaluate how our kids can perform going forward. Then we can plug the leaks and have an amazing club.
Thanks Joe...
It wouldn’t surprise me if Kronke told PL “Make the playoffs, but do it as cheaply as possible.” The avs could find some players in a couple days who are panicing because they don’t have a job. I guarentee you that PL thinks this team will make the playoffs this year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Excellent point
I think it’s a balancing act, though. If you start piling on FA in a “win now” rush, the kids are going to feel pressured to live up to that standard and might start learning some bad habits in the process.
On the other hand, if you give them no help, they’re going to feel that all the pressure to win games is on them (probably because it pretty much is). And the organization is still sticking to its “our goal is always to win”, so it would be pretty understandable if they felt that pressure. They can get the same bad habits, only with fewer vets to fall back on and get them back on track…
It can happen either way, but I think the latter is even more likely than the former.
I believe it was just a speculative idea or question for someone to get a better understanding. I dont recall anyone saying Doughty is getting traded or going FA.
by avalanchejef on Jul 2, 2010 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I can only assume you suffered some sort of brain trauma last evening?
by jd21 on Jul 2, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Calm down
I, seemingly in the minority, agree with a lot of what you say (at least what I’ve seen recently), but don’t hit us over the head with it. Please.
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I don’t think we’re in the minority. 2/3rd of us voted that they should get Kovie, and I think most of us are disappointed that they aren’t doing anything. We are just being more vocal about it than others.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
get him at 8-8.5 not 10.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 2, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Easy
Trade with Toronto
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Your just not an expert.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Agreed
I would much rather keep our cap money just in case our players have 30 goal years and pay to keep them. Are you suggesting that all those guys would get 30 in the same season? We wouldn’t need Kovie then. We have a strong nucleus that just may get us somewhere similar to when the Nordiques went through that rebuild. Hopefully ours doesn’t take as much time. Maybe I’m just very optimistic
by Bringbackboone on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Horrible defensively
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
and personalitaly?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
well that’s another story lol
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Booming shot, huge contract, and looked good in the blue and orange because he was a large pylon
by Bringbackboone on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
FYI
Anyone who doesn’t want Kovi but thinks bringing Souray in is a good idea gets a swift kick to the nuts, or punch to the boobs
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
C’mon. 600k contract. Skates 6 minutes a night. Unless we get 4 PPs. Then he gets 8 minutes of ice time.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but don’t you get him for half his contract price?
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No. On waivers, you pick up the player’s entire contract. On re-entry waivers, you split half of the remaining contract with the original team.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
600k
yeah, no way Souray’s taking 600k.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
You did not stipulate pay in your nut kicks statement!
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Our old friend Cody McCormick has re-signed with Buffalo
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 AM MDT reply actions
hehehe, i still remember the first game i saw him, preseason against dallas, had 3 fights and got ejected. good times
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
I hope he and Highlander drop the gloves when they meet on Jan 4th – just for old times sake
by Paul's Coffey on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah. McLeod has a great track record for that sort of stuff.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Recent Rumor
Brett Lebda is in play right now… Buffalo, NJ, Calgary, and Colorado….. Personally i say no for two reasons.
- another short defenseman
- he was a Dead Wing
NHL Experts, NHL Experts, We don't need no stinking NHL Experts we know we're good!!! GO AVs GO
Let the Playoff Beard growth commence!!
Yuck. I’d pass.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Every time I saw him and Lilja play I liked them a lot more…
…because they were helping the Wings lose.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe for Lake Erie? One can only hope.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
You definitely forgot number 3
3. He sucks.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
*
*So says Eklund.
whew.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
E5
Eklund’s doing this just to make us Avs fans feel more included in the whole thing. Thanks Ek!
Higgins to FLA now official
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions
FWIW
Mark Rycroft agrees with the party line. He agrees that the Avs should sit still on this here podcast, which I’m not sure where it came from, maybe Mile High Sports.
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Rycroft is not usually a party line guy, is he?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
No, he was very critical of the team at times last year.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s been pretty direct in the past, that’s for sure. He called Wolski a dog, in nicer terms, more than once. He calls it like he sees it, which is one reason people around here really liked him.
It’s worth a listen. I don’t agree with what he’s saying, and the hosts are asking him some tough questions, so it’s worthwhile.
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Scooters on Broadway!
They give a shout-out to Rycroft’s business, Scooters on Broadway. Nice, might have to wander over there.
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another thought
Why can’t the Avs go after a Carter or Sharp (or Byfulien) on a team that has cap issues. They have some young d-men and other players/picks to trade and they are one of few teams that can absorb a cap hit like those 2 guys. Carter is making 5M which would be a bargain for him and that makes them much better now and they really probably wouldn’t lose to much, maybe a young D and a first rd pick. If that was say Barrie/Hishon pick I would think most Avs fans would have been running to the Pepsi Center to buy tix. The Avs mgmt needs to create EXCITEMENT too so it would be good for the franchise to land somebody.
How about Ponikarovsky
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Let the Playoff Beard growth commence!!
I would have really liked Buf before Atlanta got him and Pon is a center so not really a fit but I wouild say he’s an upgrade if they could play him at wing. How about Hartnell, we need some grit at forward besides stewart.
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
actually
They have him listed as a 6’4" 220lb LEFT WING
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Let the Playoff Beard growth commence!!
I know he has played wing so sure he can. If the Avs can get 1 top guy (just say it’s Jeff Carter) then there first 2 lines become soo much better and team does too. Stastny is a set up guy, he needs a sniper who a goal scorer. Plus, the power play is soo important in this league now and that makes it much better as Carter is a great goal scorer and the 2nd PP unit pretty good too. Last, then the third line is a lot better too with Galiardi.Oreilly, Jones. That’s a big deal b/c that’s a third line that WILL score some points.
by hockeyexpert on Jul 2, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Fully agree. It’s the same argument we have for wanting Kovie, just much easier on the pocketbook. Filling that one LW spot lets so many pieces fall into their natural place. Carter scored 50 not too long ago and his recent injuries may mean we can get him cheaper in trade.
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Ye olde trickle down/knockdown effect. Its been stated many times and remains true. It also leaves us less screwed with injuries.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
We do need a powerhouse LWer. Or even a satisfactory LWer. Because, unless Jones can somehow step up and be healthy there, or Yip can someone maintain his unsustainable shooting percentage, or Gally can continue playing where he doesn’t belong, we are going to have significant problems.
Thanks Joe...
Actually it makes me wonder about what DetAvs said a few days ago… he is convinced that the Avs will try to push Hishon into this years lineup, and I get a similar feeling. [At least thats how I took it, sorry if I got that wrong Det!]. If they do that, assuming the kid is anywhere near ready, we could see some very interesting line changes. Here is the one that he suggested:
Mueller – Stats – Stewie
Duchene – Hishon – Duke
Gally – ORLY – Yip/Jones
I dont know how Duchene would be on a wing, but with Hishon’s size and skating ability I doubt he could play it as well as Dutchie could. That would sorta solve some of our problems without signing a FA LWer. Signing Hishon right away would also probably get us up over the cap floor. Maybe this is what they are thinking. Getting smaller and faster. I dunno.
Thanks Joe...
I don’t know if I’m psyched about pushing Hishon. If he makes the team or is borderline, give him the 9 games and send him back. Even though they are under the cap for the foreseeable future, no need to burn a year off his entry level deal.
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Agree
Mirtle has argued that it was a mistake to play O’Reilly for the entry level deal reason. We burned à year of it. And if the avs aren’t going to make a push for playoffs every year (and it’s looking that way) then it was almost a wasted year on O’Reilly’s rookie deal.
No need to do that with Hishon
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 2, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Thing is, when you really, really get value for a player is when they play big minutes on their entry level deal. Look at the Blackhawks this year with Toews and Kane.
The fact those two made so little allowed them to sign Hossa and others and made them the deepest team in the league. You want your youngsters to still be cheap when it comes time to win.
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I have a hard time reading anything that puts a healthy Hejduk below Stewart.
I am not stoked about that Hishon idea either…
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I love the Jeff Carter idea
I love the price, I like the player, I like the fit.
Make it so!
Avalanche twitter feed has caught up
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM MDT reply actions
Film on the 11th.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I take that as there is a different plan for day 2.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish something would happen. My computer just started running a hard drive scan, and it takes about an hour and a half to change the page when it is doing that. I’d rather not have to go to a different site.
"Andrew Raycroft - Much like Martin Brodeur (chip shot off glass) and Rick DiPietro (quick outlet pass from behind net), has developed his own trademark play for clearing the zone: 'faceoff at center ice'." - Down Goes Brown
adater:
Word coming strong that Kovy’s demands are just too out of whack for anybody. Overplayed hand
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
I can see someone panic signing him for $10 mil a year for seven or eight years, then being completely screwed.
The team won’t be able to afford anyone else with any level of talent, and Kovy will whine that the team’s GM and owners “aren’t showing him they want to win by trying to build a team around him”.
Then, due to the length and size of his salary, he’ll be in mediocrity hell for the duration of his contract because no one will trade for him.
He’s shooting himself in the foot with a Howitzer.
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by Luxury Yacht on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like he just put his starting bid too high. He should’ve gone with a $.01 starting bid on a seven day auction with no reserve.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
This is just mind boggling!
Absolutely nothing from the Avs. Nothing about new players coming in, or even where the old players are going.
I would have thought someone would have picked up Svatos by now, or Clark. Not for top dollar mind you, but something!
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I think Svats may be heading to the KHL.
I am surprised about Clark though.
Sandie
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seems like yesterday (and today) have been lighter than normal. maybe that perception is wrong…I’m too lazy to look it up
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know about Svats.
He is a good winger, just not in the Avs system.
I could see him going to an East coast team like Tampa, Atlanta, or even the Islanders.
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by Luxury Yacht on Jul 2, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s not that I don’t think he could play elsewhere, just with his numbers I don’t know that a team will be willing to take the chance. I hope that someone takes that chance, if that counts for anything?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
yeah
I hope someone could find it possible to maybe flip him a two year, 2.5 to three mil contract.
That’s only 1.5 a season max.
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by Luxury Yacht on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
The last 4 years he hasn’t gotten 40 points, last year he had 11 points. I don’t think he’ll get 1.5M.
Sandie
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I remember the last time we had this much fun.
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NYI signing some UFA Defensemen (Jurcina & Eaton), no $ info yet.
Maybe DiPietro can’t singlehandedly save the franchise (from the bench)?
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Eaton’s not bad when healthy.
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Either is drinking…
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
nope
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater said via Twitter that he has been bought out.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
he did?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
oh, I see it
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
OT - but probably more exciting
WTF happened to M-80’s? When I was a kid, my dad used to buy my brother and I boxes of M-80’s from Wyoming. I was up there last week-end and the dude told me M-80’s are illegal in Wyoming now. WTF Wyoming? How the hell am I supposed to celebrate the 4th sans M-80’s?!? That ain’t right…
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by MalachiConstant on Jul 2, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
They were illegal even then. Unless you are really old.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Isnt an m80 like a 1/16th stick? Thats pretty heavy. I was too young for those, we used to get m60s that would fairly effectively remove a finger tho. They got pansier as I few older, last time I looked I could only find m1000s, and those are hella weak.
Thanks Joe...
Yeah. They are federally banned.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
When did that happen?
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
1960s
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
OK. Maybe I’m on crack.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
I remember there were a lot of fakes. We used to drive to Wyoming to get them too. Along with cherry bombs and Silver Salutes.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought they were M-80s but maybe not. I put one in a crack in our street and it blew a hole about 1.5 feet wide and a foot deep.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
Wow… that sounds like more than an M-80
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, thats m80 style. I knew a guy who used to get them from Wyo illegally, but he would never let me have any. He would just blow the crap out of milk jugs and things in his backyard
Thanks Joe...
My uncle used to get those
At some point while we were messing around with sparklers, lame fountains, snakes and whatever other fun-free things we could buy in Colorado, he’d always sneak around behind us and set one of those things off…
I think his nieces, nephews and dogs all have him to thank for their permanent hearing loss and PTSD.
Attaboy, Dater!
924 words for his Versus column (which I’ll get to in a minute), and 308 for his blog in the Post. Nice to see he has his priorities straight. His bosses at the Post must just fucking love that he sat around today and wrote a blog post which came from Jibs, and tweeted about eating fucking pizza all day.
OK, about that column – just stupid. Too much to break down, but here’s a classic display of Dater’s intellect:
Cap-strapped Chicago Blackhawks let go, via trade of free agency, seven players and counting from their championship team. So much for a repeat.
Does it matter that a few of those guys who they lost were spare parts and they even got back a bit in return. No…losing 7 players (does it matter which ones they lost, by any chance?) instantly dooms their chances next year. THEY’RE ONE OF THE FAVORITES TO WIN THE CUP AGAIN, YOU FREAKING MORON!
It came from the same brain that said he’d stay far away from Derek Morris because “just too many teams now on his resume.” What a freaking genius.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 2, 2010 1:55 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I can guarantee you will live 20 years longer if you stop worrying about Dater.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Nah
It actually gives me a reason to live.
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What about me?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
you’re 1A
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Too many LOLs and puns for my liking. I used SB Nation’s Ignore function for your stuff.
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LOL.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
indeed
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
You’re a 46-year-old adult male who uses LOL with the frequency of a Justin Bieber fan. It’s not right.
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Who is this Justin Bieber you keep raving about? All of the links on your facebook page are somewhat troubling.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Watch your mouth. He drives a Corvette.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, I mostly drive a 1994 Toyota pickup. My new midlife crisis vehicle smoking garage queen isn’t going to accrue too many miles.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m all for the Avalanche signing Dominic Moore. He’s worth a second round pick every year at the trade deadline. That alone is my reasoning.
or a vote against, depending how you look at it
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
It's cool,
we always have the grass outside.
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Kovie Wants 10 mil for 10 Years
A whole bunch of folks here owe the Sherminator an apology. :-P
fine. and if he signs for $8 / 8, he’s going to have to do the same to us.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 2, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
If he actually gets that I will be fine with not signing him. That doesn’t excuse not doing anything else.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I dont owe Sherm an apology for shit. I never advocated 8 for 8. I talked about 7.5-8 for 5-6. Thats reasonable for a Kovy kontract. 8 for 8 isn’t. At least not for us.
Thanks Joe...
I would jump at 8 for 8. But then again, I couldn’t run a lemonade stand.
I think Kovie is worth $1.4M more than Stastny.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Interesting how context changes perspective there.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Its the ‘for 8’ that I don’t like. 8 is a long fricken time. 8 years ago I still couldnt legally drink, and was fruitlessly chasing honeys thru the dorms. What will things be like 8 years from now? I have no idea. I don’t like the idea of dictating our futures so far out.
Thanks Joe...
So, you can drink now and the restraining order from the university makes the dorms less feasible, but what else has changed? ;-P
In 8 years Kovy will be 35, right at the end (barring injury) of a stellar career. If you want to put him out to pasture then, cool, but when guys of Brett Clark’s calibre are making $8M/year 8 years from now, you will giggle to yourself every time you see what a steal we got in Kovy.
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Matt Hendricks is Minnesotan for "Ben Guite"
Not sure who’s advising Matt, not sure what Matt supposedly turned down from the Avs, not sure if he can stick somewhere else next year.
But I do know that if he leaves that means we’ll have zip to show for Johnny Boychuk. Did the Bruins finally get revenge for the Ray Bourque trade?
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AD says
we’ll sign some aftermarket players. But, if Konopka and Winchester and Cody Mac and Jody Shelley and PA Parenteau are mid-market players, who would be aftermarket?
See my comment at the top of this page. The Avs are looking for forwards to fill out their minor league roster.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 2, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
He takes such great pictures
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Didn’t know he went to Brian Engblom’s hair dresser?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
He’s fast. Real fast. But needs a quality center. He will give Detroit some problems six times a year so that’s good.
Nothing from Kovy again?
kuklaskorner:
NHL Hockey: Nothing Anticipated On Kovalchuk Today: from a Tom Gulitti tweet, Just got off the phone with Lamori… http://bit.ly/bc5BWD
If his decision, as Puckdaddy seems so certain, is between LA and LA, with a late offer coming from LA, why is he waiting for so long? What do you guys think?
Why would he hurry? He’s obviously not getting the ridiculous deal he wanted or asked for, so now he has to do some bargaining.
I would also imagine that for every $100,000 he comes down in price, his agent shops the price around to other teams to try to find a better offer. If only LA is in the running, than LA has all the power right now.
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How low must the NHL highest bid be for Kovie to start considering the KHL? $7 M?
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If he goes to the KHL for any reason, I am turning in my Kovalchuck club platinum membership card.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Is Sutton still available?
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 3:38 PM MDT reply actions
He’s next on my wish list.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
i’d like to think Sherman is biding his time, waiting for these guys to take anything, as we saw yesterday, we saw some crazy ass names for crazy ass numbers. the more we make guys like sutton wait, the less he’ll cost..hopefully..
Did i just describe a ransom?
Is it October yet?!
Ransom, or me on eBay.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d like to think that Kroenke is just being a cheap bastard. No wait, I wouldn’t like to think that. But I do.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I would just like to see some sort of an effort to improve the team. And with a bit more than 30 mil in cap space, you are able to do that. Volchenkov would have been a perfect fit that would have improved a defense that needed it. Kovy obviously makes you better immediately. I don’t mind the whole build from within stuff, but if you do nothing but that, then you aren’t going to very consistently improve. In my humble opinion.
oh totally, I’m all about the ‘build for the future movement’ but really, the team has never been active at this time of year, save for the Smyth/Hannan deal..I think if we’re in a contending position come trade deadline, Sherman will pull the trigger, plus, if it ain’t broke, why fix it?
Is it October yet?!
I think building from within is a myth. Kinda like giving 110%.
Maybe someone can give me an example of a team that has won the cup by building within and not signing a few superstars?
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
define ‘superstar’ Pittsburgh got Guerin and Kunitz for peanuts at the deadline
Chicago..well we all know that story
Is it October yet?!
both those teams went out and made those kind of trades and signings because they complimented their team. They weren’t afraid to go search outside of the box.
and I think we need to see what this years team looks like, If we do this right, we allow the team to build together, not upsetting the chemistry the boys have. then if it looks as if we’re going somewhere (like a deep playoff run) i think we look for those ‘complimentary’ pieces
Is it October yet?!
I guess it’s just my point of view that adding one or two guys that you know will help your team is worth the chance, because no team is exactly the same from year to year and all have to learn the chemistry. We don’t have to shun everybody until we know we’re going somewhere, we can go find those people that we know will help us get somewhere.
Gagne wants trade
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
RT @JSportsnet: Sources confirm…Simon Gagne asked to waive his No Trade clause today….no trade pending.
Where do you guys think he’s gonna go?
Calgary
just kiddin’, too much firepower for Sutter
Who needs a LW that can possibly score 30 goals/yr?
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
hrmmmm…. seems like someone on this board has suggested we’re in need of a scoring LW…. throw in Lappy as well plz.
This is the guy we will get fits our mold. Trade and lose a prospect and picks. He misses 10-20 games a year. Sounds like a perfect fit.
by avalanchejef on Jul 2, 2010 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Vancouver
They seem to have a pulse.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Gagne asked to be traded or philly asked him to waive his ntc? I’m hearing both..either way guess he’s getting moved
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Damn right, that bench door ain’t going to open itself.
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by Americanario on Jul 3, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
adater: Avs sign Kyle Quincey and winnik. Details to come
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
FIIIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY
glad Sherman woke up to join us
by hedge_duck on Jul 2, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup, good news on both fronts I’d say… .Winnik, who knows, but ought to replace Hendricks fairly well.
I’m glad Quincey’s back. As much as we all want a big physical defenseman, I think KQ has that potential, he started out that way last year, and seemed to soften as the season went along…. if he can get back to being BMF, that’ll help us a ton.
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From now on, that’s what I shall call you. I also encourage others to do the same.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 3, 2010 12:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAAHA I’m glad I’m not the only one. It was only fear of endless homo ridicule that kept me from saying anything. Not that this site does that, but I know some that so. i will take your encouragement and run with it.
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by Americanario on Jul 3, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I’ve definately read it that way more than once,
I was afraid it was just me.
"That F******* sandwich had it coming!" -Mike@MHH
beat you to it
with a fan shot haha
"We just couldnt put the cat in the hat thats really why we lost today we just couldnt put the cat in the hat."
here is the link
http://avalanche.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=533714&navid=DL|COL|home
"We just couldnt put the cat in the hat thats really why we lost today we just couldnt put the cat in the hat."
Holy crap, Quincey got 6.25 million over 2 years?
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
We could have has the A-train for another million a year.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
do we have any indicator why Ottawa didn’t resign him? Is Gonchar (at his current age) that much better???
Gonchar will help their powerplay, which is what they were looking for. A-train is a defensive d-man. Not what they were looking for.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
given that there aren’t many top quality shutdown physical D-men out there, why would any team let a guy like that walk? I’m not saying he’s worth it, just that anytime a team isn’t scrambling to resign a guy, seems like they can’t be all that awesome.
Might not be worth the price but it really doesnt hurt the Avs. By the time his contract is up, the youth will be ready to move in and core player contracts will need to be re-uped
by avalanchejef on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Yikes
Not bad for half of a good season of work. Glad they didn’t throw an extra mill per at a real defenseman like Volchenkov.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Makes ya a little sick doesn’t it?
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
yes
I was hoping for less than 2M per. Over 3? For Quincey? Guess they just felt wrong with so many fewer bad D contracts on the books that they had to add another one.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
The Leadership…
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I know where you’re not going to go with this ….. ;) Mikey no likey.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I didn’t get to finish my statement.
The Leadership is doing both a good and bad job evenly for both sides.
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I am committed to the peace effort 110%
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
My god, what are they going to give Stewie….
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Even more eggregious,
They give Winnik 2 yrs @ $950K. Who TF is this dude to get that kind of scratch? That much better than Hendricks, really?
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Sherman didn’t know what the cap floor was until this afternoon.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
And he got it from Dater, who got it from Jibble.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Cap floor? See who’s home, give them a few extra million. I just made level 13 Barbarian.
Because we’re humans, damnit. HUMANS!!!
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 2, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Dunno,
but Jimi made $500K last year, so, damn!
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No wonder we aren’t signing Kovie. With this kind of cap management, Kovie would take us for $18M a season. Quincey is making a few grand less than Brooks Orpik.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
He had best bring the BMF old school!
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you forgot to put “management” in quotes
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Eff me
Quincey better step that shit up for that kind of dough. Oh wait, that’s par for the course for Avs’ defensemen, never mind.
So again, let me see if I understand…it’s OK to overpay our own players but not players from outside the organization (after Hannan and Tucker). Got it.
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Both contracts seem fine to me.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Over $3M per for Quincey after his performance took such a dive during the second half of the season and during the playoffs last year? Really? He was great early on, but I thought he was noticeably horrible later.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
The contracts are on par of what I expected and it’s only two years. Yes he struggled, but he’s still developing. I fully expect Stewart to receive over three million per year on his contract as well. Players are receiving more after their ELCs then they did before the new CBA.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I must agree to this in general. Although I think Quincey is getting too much, he is young, has shown something, and defense takes seasoning.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I expected Stewie to get more
than Quincey. Am I wrong there?
And by more, I mean a million a year more. Although clearly not at the level Quincey received.
The Avalanche also announced today that the club has agreed to terms with defenseman David Liffiton, forwards Greg Mauldin, Julian Talbot and David Van Der Gulik, and goaltenders Jason Bacashihua and John Grahame all to one-year deals.
by toothandnailer777 on Jul 2, 2010 4:46 PM MDT reply actions
all of them most likely career AHLers, too. Except for maybe Liffiton
by toothandnailer777 on Jul 2, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
who is more likely a career ECHLer?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
bs
It is all about building from within. Perhaps you didn’t get the memo?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought it was all about the A
I’m so confused!!!!
Whatever saves Stan money. Although …. is everyone sure that Quincey deal isn’t $6.25M for 3 years? That would seem somewhat sane.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I sent AD a tweet so we’ll see if he answers?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
But DenverPost.com
The Avs signed Quincey to a two-year, $6.25 million deal. Winnik got a two-year contract for nearly $2 million — $900,000 in the first year and $1 million in the second.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
he was eligible for arbitration, maybe that factored into it somehow?
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
All of the new signees are pretty small except for Liffiton
by toothandnailer777 on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM MDT reply actions
Perhaps Cleveland shoud lobby for a smaller rink?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
smaller fashion shows
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod
Quincey’s obviously excited about new deal, but also excited to be staying in Denver. Really likes city and team.
by toothandnailer777 on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM MDT reply actions
and really likes $6.25M.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that he is arbitration eligible, so he did have a bargaining chip and cashed it in :-)
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 5:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You and some other folks know more about that sort of stuff than I do. Plus, of course, if he signs an offer sheet with someone else for less than, what, 3.1M per than the Avs would have to match or only get a second rounder? Man, seems like guys are making too much too soon these days though, doesn’t it? He could continue to regress like he did late last season and we’d be stuck with another albatross, albeit only for another year after this.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Its one of the things I do not like about the new CBA. The “second contract” has all but disappeared. Players start making big money after their ELCs. Just imagine what Duchene will make on his next contract.
I like the length of Quincey’s contract. They have two years to evaluate him before making a long term commitment. Perhaps one of the defensive prospects will supplant him and they can trade him. I like what the Avs did with this contact.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 6:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s a fair deal. Not like we need the cap space, and he’s an above average defenseman getting above average pay. Plus he’s young. Theoretically, he should get better.
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It's not that we don't need the cap space
it’s that we seem to need to fill the cap space. Personally, I wish our deals involved trying to fit more players under the cap, not more cap under the players.
3.12 per year. It’s less than Clark was making. It puts him in the ballpark of:
Brooks Orpik
Matt Carle
Dennis Seidenberg
Colin White
Henrik Tallinder
Derek Morris
Tom Poti
Among others. I feel Quincey is as good as anyone on that list. And he’s making less than most of them.
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Most, if not all, of those guys are more proven than Quincey. I’d take Orpik, Carle and Tallinder over him right now. Probably White and Morris too. Frankly, I don’t know much about Seidenberg, and Poti is sort of past his usefulness, isn’t he?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Point is, it’s debatable. He’s right there.
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I agree that the verdict is still out on Quincey. It’s just that he looks so much better than the core of our defense lately. Of course, I get bashed every time I say something negative about him, but I don’t think he’s all that bright. I think what he’s getting is fair for a defenseman that is still developing. After all, he could become another Rob Blake, or another Craig Wolanin.
Or Martin Skoula with only a very slight edge.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I was going to mention Skoula, but the poor guy was picked on for years. I decided to give him a break :)
At least he didn’t get his own meme, Skrastins not withstanding.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jul 3, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Looking like Gagne has waived his NTC/NMC (whichever acronym is right), kings target apparently – from dater
maybe an internet pipe froze and burst
mwuahaha
kings?
because they know Kovie is signing here? (hey, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Umm
it was actually the Japanese that bombed Pearl Harbor Bob.
lol
"We just couldnt put the cat in the hat thats really why we lost today we just couldnt put the cat in the hat."
Animal House reference.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah
Touche
you have bested me once again
“bows”
"We just couldnt put the cat in the hat thats really why we lost today we just couldnt put the cat in the hat."
You sig is from one of those NHL commercials with the wacked coach, correct? Love those.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I love how the paint drying thread has 900 comments. Good show.
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its all bickering ;)
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jul 2, 2010 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Shut up. I hate you. Stop pulling my hair.
The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, "I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it."
Screw the Wings.
Do I have to pull this car over?
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jul 3, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, the Avs haven’t really done anything.
We have to entertain ourselves somehow.
I know my name is spelled "Luxury Yacht" but it's actually pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove.
As a member in good standing with the PFJ I truly hate only two things:
The JPF and the Detroit Red Wings! And Red Wing fans. Ok, I truly hate three things...
We suck. But we love our Avs.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
PS James
Cool profile pic. I remember Peter Puck when he was on NBC way back when.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 2, 2010 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
so hang on
let’s say LA trades for Gagne. Is Kovy left out in the cold? Could we luck into a good contract here?
My guess, he ends up back in NJ.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 2, 2010 8:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
OK
who does NJD trade / waive in order to get in under the cap? Right now, they have 18 players signed (needing 5 more) and have “only” $4.25M left to do it. Even a “reasonable” Kovy Kontract © would put them about $4M over with 4 players to sign.
The whole thing begins to stir thoughts of Parise dancing in my head on SoS’ wing!
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It really isn’t sounding like the Avs are having anything to do with the Kovy contest, so even if gagne goes kings and Kovy is left out, as much as I think it would be silly for us not to try and pursue him, I don’t see us giving him what he wants. sigh
I hear ya, but you’re not feelin’ me.
Gagne goes to LAK, thus putting the Knaves out of the running for Kovy.
Kovy, in turn, decides that St. Petersburg is just too fucking cold in December (trust me, been both there and Edmonton that time of year, St. Pete is worse) and he probably finished playing Junior B a ways back. He signs a “reasonable” Kovy Kontract © for, say, $8M per, thus putting NJD roughly $4M over the cap with 4 more players to sign, meaning that they have to shed AT LEAST $6M to get under the cap. Parise, justifiably pissed off at being relegated to 2nd line LW by one of only two guys on the planet with the offensive firepower to do it (while both are WAY worse defensively, but I digress). Parise asks for / volunteers for a trade to help NJD shed his $3.9M cap hit and get himself back on a top line where he belongs.
COL, ever the thoughtful helper of teams with pissed off supertalents (cf. 1995 & 1993), valiantly steps forward to offer their 2011 1st rounder, Cumiskey & Barrie for Parise. Parise takes his rightful place on SoS’ wing, signs a 5 year $6.6M/year extension and proceeds to win the Richard trophy and compete for the Hart (which goes to Andy, along with the Smythe for his 16 – 2, 9SO, 0.47GAA .984SV% postseason). There is much rejoicing in Avalancheland, rinse, repeat.
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Would it be really wrong and awkward if I said that you just gave me a little stiffy?
I mean, I know were both guys and all, but you sir, are a beautiful writer.
I know my name is spelled "Luxury Yacht" but it's actually pronounced Throatwarbler Mangrove.
As a member in good standing with the PFJ I truly hate only two things:
The JPF and the Detroit Red Wings! And Red Wing fans. Ok, I truly hate three things...
Beautifully written and reasoned as usual, Hopf, but...
…you’re underestimating the Lou Factor.
As in Lou “convinces” Dainus Zubrus to play in the KHL.
As in Lou “persuades” Brian Rolston that it’s time to hang up the skates.
As in Lou “negotiates” with Martin Brodeur to restructure his contract (shhh, don’t tell me that’s not possible in the NHL, I’m on a roll).
As in Lou “wows” the St. Louis Blues to trade them a useless “tough guy” for a top 4 defensem…oh, wait, that already happened.
Anyway, you get the point. My nightmare scenario: Lou wins again.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
Your concern is understandable Don Danelli,
’dis iz why we haz addressed youze concerns wit de odder Families.
It is possible that a certain mobbed up GM in a certain sport involving frozen water may find himself under da frozen water wit da fishes come October.
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Now I'm feeling ya!
But man, that is a long line of what ifs! Pretty cool scenario, though.
Awkward, yes.
But thanks all the same.
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