Are the Avs gearing up for something big?
by toothandnailer777 on Jul 26, 2010 7:37 PM MDT
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Now, nobody get their panties all in a bundle like last time I posted something similar to this. I only did it for discussion and not "spam." No, I don't have "insider access" either. I only look at this randomly to see what's going on. ESPN says that Avs are ready to spend money... .So what do you think is going to happen? Discuss.
Avs poised to spend money
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it covers what we’ve been saying for weeks: 8 mill under the cap with two players left to sign (although they think that will only be between 5-6 million for the two-I infer from the wording). The ‘insider’ stuff is good, if your’re reading about a team that you don’t have much info on, otherwise it’s old news. So by big, maybe they mean a 3 million a year type of player.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 26, 2010 7:59 PM MDT reply actions
My guess
They think that since the Avs have so much cap room, that the only explanation must be that they are planning a big move.
I think not, I think we will see our last two guys signed, and maybe a FA signing, nothing major though.
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“Avs poised to spend money”….on coke and hookers am I right? High five!
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Spend money?
On what? all the big money names are taken
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 26, 2010 9:22 PM MDT reply actions
So you’re not a Jed Ortmeyer fan?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s probably in reference to this:
http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_15600372
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 26, 2010 9:26 PM MDT reply actions
I just flipped through the pictures on the ESPN Avalanche page. Pretty ridiculous. 2 of 3 players shown are no longer with the team. They have Ryan Smyth, Joe Sakic, and SoS. You can see just how much the World Wide Leader cares about hockey.
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I go to tsn.ca when I really want info. kinda sad
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 27, 2010 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ve basically bailed on ESPN.com. Nothing really relevant there on hockey, although I do occasionally read Buccigross’ column to see pictures of babies in hockey jerseys.
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by Busted Twigg on Jul 27, 2010 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I keep up with Buccigross’ column as well and recently have started tuning in to LeBrun. Everything else and everyone else on ESPN are not worth the time.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 27, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t have any problems with Burnside or LeBrun, but mainstream ESPN only talks hockey when they have a lockout of someone tees off on a player’s head using a stick. I saw a few of Matthew Barnaby’s tweets. He’s actually much better when communicating in his natural monosyllabic one-sentence grunts.
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Lots of possitive energy
Looks like most of us are resigned to the fact that if the Avs are going to invest any money, it’s going to be on toll booths for the urinals.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
You had to say it didn’t you? If E. Stanley is reading this, it is as good as a done deal.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 27, 2010 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
From my experience, guys at the Pespi Center have no problem just using the sinks
by MalachiConstant on Jul 27, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
The urinals are piped into the kegs of Coors Lite and Bud Lite where the urine is chilled down to 34 degrees, over carbonated to give it drinkability and then sold to consumers at $7 / pint.
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by Busted Twigg on Jul 27, 2010 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm a jackass....
Well, it won’t be for Frolov
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=rotowire-lexrolovignsealithan
One year deal worth $3 million… The Rangers are just asking for someone to poach Marc Staal.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m somewhat surprised he signed that cheap. So that means the avs either lowballed him or noballed him. A one year 3.25 or 3.5 wouldn’t have been the end of the world.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure they are going the noball approach this offseason.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 27, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m going with noballed. There’s a lot of intelligent opinion out there backed up by stats that says Frolov is essentially Wolski + 2 years. Their points and their play (that I’ve seen) are very similar. I don’t think the Avs dumped Wolski just to pick him up on the UFA market and two years older.
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Here’s the headscratcher to me though, the Kings rid themselves for Frolov in UFA and then turn around and sign Ponikarovsky? Don’t know the salary yet (1 year deal), but a floater by any other name….
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Poni is very far from a floater, he’s a quite hard worker. Lacks some skill though. In all honesty, this wasn’t the best outcome for the Kings, but I don’t think it’s a bad one either. Better than Frolov, imo.
Hmmm, my admittedly small sample size for Poni viewing was obviously misleading. He looked like the sniper that only wanted to snipe from open ice to me (but that was only about 4-5 games in the last two years).
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I wanted to watch him during the playoffs this year, but the Penguins kept healthy scratching him. Sounds like a great player for Los Angeles.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Something was amiss. He wasn’t even a shadow of the player he was in Toronto. Just seems odd that during a contract year he would do so poorly alongside Crosby, Malkin and Staal. I know he was tried on all three lines to try to get him going, but it just didn’t work out. Maybe he’s the type who just needs to feel like it’s all on his shoulders to succeed.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
He played well on a line with Crosby and Dupuis to finish out the regular season. But once the playoffs rolled around and Crosby got back a healthy Kunitz and Guerin on his wings, Ponikarovsky didn’t mesh well with anyone else.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Kings tried to get Fro back. He said “Fuck off.” Well maybe not those exact words, but you get the idea.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jul 27, 2010 2:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Kariya and Selanne are both still available…
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM MDT reply actions
My guess is: No.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM MDT reply actions
I'm getting my hopes up!
So that Wonky Kroenke can gently strangle them into submission once more.
What's the difference between a duck?
Someone who works at the Can said Enos has a $40K rug in the elevator of his Pepsi Center condo. That’s right. A $40K rug. In the fricken elevator. Wouldn’t want any dirt tracked into the more expensive rugs actually in his condo I guess.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 27, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d even marry John Boy if that is what it took.
(for most of you youngsters who did not get that at all, jfgi)
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 27, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Don’t propagate a stupid myth. Stan didn’t marry into his money, he made plenty of his own, and he’s more business savvy than everyone on this board combined, times a bazillion.
Stan could wipe his ass with $1 million bills for all I care, Bob. It’s his money, he can spend it however he wants. On the whole, he’s been a pretty good owner. It’s his team, his choice.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 28, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
But wouldn’t you appreciate a new scoreboard in the Can as opposed to millions of dollars in furnishings for his own private pad? That is actually how the story unfolded. I was at the can for our seat renewal/upgrade appointment and they had the scoreboard down and were doing a lot of maintenance. I asked about the possibility of a new scoreboard, and the person showing me around said, “No, but you should see the rug Stan has in his own private elevator.”
Yes, it is his money and he can spend it how he wants. But if 27th in the league in attendance isn’t somewhat concerning to him, then I think he’s currently asleep at the wheel.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
You don’t know a fucking thing about his finances, his plan, how he sees the Avs fitting into his big picture…nothing. Nothing. So all the whining about his seemingly extravagant expenses is just silly. I don’t see the scoreboard vs. him furnishing his penthouse as an either/or thing (and how did you go from crying about a 40K rug to shrieking about the “millions of dollars” he allegedly spent in his own private penthouse?). He has the money for both, he just chooses to not replace the scoreboard at this time. And that’s probably about #86 on the list of Avs-related things you should worry about.
You need better sources, Bob. The guy who bad-mouthed his boss to you ought to be fired. The intern/$10/hour ticket department employee probably isn’t going to offer the best insight into the Kroenke empire.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 28, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Bib’s criticism of Kroenke is perfectly viable. The Avs are a hockey club supported by a community of fans. They survive and profit by asking their fans to metaphorically take ownership in the team. They are constantly asking for support from fans. Why is it wrong for supporters to turn around and ask for support from the ownership, i.e. a new score board?
by MalachiConstant on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Stan’s got a helluva lot better grasp on his finances than you or I do. Stan and his team of high-paid lawyers and accountants can probably figure out, down to the nearest penny, which part of his vast money-making empire is making money, which part is losing it, which part he’s using as a write-off, which part he plans to develop, which part he plans to beef up, blah blah blah blah blah.
He’s making a business decision about the Avs – now the fans need to make their own decision about the team, too. Do they continue to support it, do they stop buying tickets and merchandise? It’s all about choices, but let’s not get confused here – the “community of fans” has shown itself to be a fairly mediocre and unreliable group. We woefully undersupported this team last season – it was embarrassing.
And we in no way have any rights in how the team is run, there is no ownership, metaphorical or otherwise. The only right we have is to make the personal choice whether or not to support the team.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 28, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Who put the sand in your vagina today?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well that’s about as laissez-faire of a perspective as you can get. That may be how Stanely looks at it and I’d bet you are right that he does. I think BiB’s point was that he’d rather Kroenke treat the team differently. NHL marketing (I’d say Avs specifically, but ‘Avs marketing’ is an oxymoron) certainly pitches the clubs as community based organizations deserving of local “support”. So it’s dishonest for a club to ask fans to “support their team” and turn around and operate 100% towards churning a profit. I’m not arguing that spending money on club upgrades is or is not profitable, just that it would be a nice thing to do. If Kroenke feels otherwise and operates strictly business then he is, in my mind, deserving of criticism as an owner. He has different expectations than me? Fine. Doesn’t mean I’ll keep my mouth shut about it.
You’re completely correct that I don’t have any right in how the team is run, the club is a privately owned business. But being critical of business decisions on MHH is just as viable an economic signal as is choosing not to support the team financially.
by MalachiConstant on Jul 28, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I mentioned the fucking scoreboard because it is one of the 100 or so things you’ve blasted over the past few years, Danno. And at the time, you seemed to think it was pretty damn important.
I’ll go half-way here and say that I agree that what he does with his own personal finances is his own business. However, as a season ticket holder who has held on to my tickets through thick and thin, and endured watching games in a half-empty venue last season on many occasions, I think I have every right to question how fucking cheap he is being with this team, on many levels. He moved them to a radio station I don’t get in Boulder. He hasn’t upgraded the Pepsi Center in any way relative to the fan experience. He currently isn’t spending money on player payroll. He doesn’t market the team. The quality of the Altitude broadcasts is abysmal. He obviously has other interests, probably moreso than his Denver empire.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
On a sort-of related note, it sounds like Mile High Sports or whatever is also broadcasting on 93.7 FM now. Of course, it’s still crappy reception in my neck of the woods, but hey, now we get twice the crappy reception.
But the whole sports talk landscape in Denver right now is pretty jacked up, unless you want to talk Tebow. I can’t tell who is where anymore. Klatt and Kreckman are gone from 1510, Les Nessman Shapiro and Jim Armstrong are gone from the morning. I can’t find a single voice left on the air who will talk hockey, much less bring in a hockey personality to interview.
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The scoreboard sucks, I agree
…but what does it have to do with how he decorates his penthouse suite?
About the season tickets, you should vote with your actions, not your illogical complaints. Drop them, if you don’t like what’s going on with the team – vote with your wallet. Plenty of other hockey “fans” in this great hockey town did exactly that last season, and they’ll continue to do it again this season after they realize that they’re watching another non-playoff team that’s not all that fun to watch.
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 28, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, the people in the twice-defend side of the rink will get their money’s worth.
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Or as I call it
The retreat twice zone.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree with you
I think people have a "business"and “personal” accounts separated. KSE (in particular the avs) have been losing money so he’s running a tight ship. PErsonally, over all his empire, he may be making bank. So really it’s none of our concern how he spends that part of his money.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 28, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm calling shenanigans on this one
How on earth would Kroenke be losing money on the Avs, Nuggets, Pepsi Center, Altitude, Dick’s Park, the Rapids, Tickethorse, etc. etc. etc. etc. unless he’s the most pathetic fucking business man in the history of mankind? Which we know he’s not. No way he’s losing money. I can’t think of anyone involved with an NHL franchise that has the monopoly on the market that he has. But, as he should know BASED ON FUCKING EXPERIENCE, in hockey, it definitely pays off to spend money to make deep playoff runs. Because that is when hockey teams make their money. So now he’s going the opposite route and penny pinching to make a dime?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I more meant he may be losing money in the Avs, not necessarily the others. they are all separate enterprises. If the Nugs are making money and the Avs aren’t it’s not like he’s required to take their gains and spend them on the Avs. He should run each as it’s own entity.
And he could be losing money on that all the sports stuff right now. The economy’s still down, and ticket sales in a market that’s probably slightly stretched thin could be rough.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 28, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I just think it is hard to separate everything out. He has many operating expenses covered that other owners don’t. Lease the venue? From himself. Worry about open dates with said venue? Oh, I also own the NBA team that plays there. Pay ticketbastard? Nope, he created ticketbastardjunior. Local TV contract? With himself.
Let me put it this way, he has to be in a better position to make money than most other owners in the NHL. If he’s not making money, then penny pinching to try to do so is just flat out asinine, given everything else he can leverage against the situation.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 28, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh i agree there, but he’s not making money with the avs (they lost ~$10M by most estimates). Other parts of KSE might be, but the Avs aren’t. And I guarantee that KSE has ever single business unit (Altitude, Tickethorse, Rapids, Nuggets, Avs, etc) broken out and know exactly which ones are making money and which ones are losing it.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 28, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he makes that money back by filling the can in the regular season, then making the playoffs where it’s ALL PROFIT. Spending the money on players that can get him there is a shrewd business decision, imo. Not making the playoffs is a losers dream in the NHL.
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It’s a story about how the Hawks lost money last year, despite spending money to make a deep playoff run. In fact, the Hawks have lost a lot of money for many years.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0730-confidential-hawks-20100730,0,3785092,full.column
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by Dan Winkler on Jul 30, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I enjoyed the comments the most: “My season tickets are going from $15 to $30 per seat.”
Yep. Even though the Hawks were preseason Cup favorites, fans were watching them for $15 per seat.
Fans in Chicago are paying less then us to watch a Stanley Cup-level franchise, in a city with more demand and higher cost of living. We should be paying $15 per seat for season tickets.
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It doesn’t matter whether or not he knows a thing about his finances. Bob and the rest of the MHH are simply entertaining ideas through which the fans might get more excited. In some cases (most involving Kovalchuk), the ideas are no more than pipedreams. However, in the interest of E Stanley Kroenke’s capitalistic integrity, he should listen to some of the more practical fan requests such as better advertising and a better in house product.
Outside of the capitalist perspective, and the only damned liberal part of this poorly worded “capitalist” rant: I think that E Stan Kroenke should invest more passion into his sports. He’s got plenty of money, and as Warren Buffett and countless other wealthy individualists have displayed, money’s no good unless it’s spent. I think that his treating sports franchises like enterprises is incredibly naive from a human perspective albeit incredibly savvy from a business perspective. They are not needed for the progression of mankind. They are based almost exclusively on the passions of fans, and should be treated as such. I guess what I’m trying to say is that Kroenke needs to stop gathering sports franchises like stocks as he lives states away in Missouri and he needs to start acting like a Jones, a Cuban, or a Steinbrenner—an owner who owns a team for the team to win not for the team to scrape profits.
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Because at 50K it’s no longer considered “cleaning supplies” and he can’t write it off on his business account?
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by Americanario on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
They need to spend 8 million to reach the salary cap floor, and they still have yet to sign Mueller or Stewart. So we are going to have to spend a little bit of money there, but I have no real idea about what might happen. Hopefully something good!
Remember that you’ve also got to account to a seventh defenseman on the roster as well as injury call ups. And if this coming season’s team is injured as much as the previous couple, the Avs won’t have a problem getting there.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, I’m not so sure where you’re getting that $8 million figure from, either. If you go to Capgeek’s calculator (Give it a minute to load, their new calculator is flashbased) and select the Avs, you’ll see that their current payroll on a 20 man roster is $38.4 million, which is $5 million from the $43.4 million floor.
You can add a defenseman for the 7th spot from the signed player drop down list. I added Holos (whose cap number is just $612,500), just for argument’s sake. then selected their RFA’s from drop down menu and add them to the line up. I added Stewart at $4 million and Mueller at the same $1.7 million cap hit he had before. And you’ll see that their payroll bumps upto about $44.7 million. Uncheck the bonus cushion and that shows that they’re about $1.3 million over the floor.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
question on the salary floor. Say the avs are right about at the salary floor and say SoS gets hurt (cause he makes the most money) and puts the avs under the cap because he’s on ir. Do the avs as a team get fined or something?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 27, 2010 6:51 PM MDT reply actions
Players still count against the cap if they’re on the IR. It’s if they miss either 10+ games or 24 days that a team can file the paper work to put them on the long term disabled list in which case they would not count against the cap. I would just guess that the Avs wouldn’t file such paper work.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jul 27, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
err, no
There is nothing left out there in FA which necessitates a big spend. Besides, I’ve seen Major League and I know what’s happening here
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 28, 2010 5:59 AM MDT up reply actions
dude.. that was witty and all.. but I really didn’t need that this morning. THANKS
by MalachiConstant on Jul 28, 2010 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Upon further reflection, maybe he’s saying we’ll win the division
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