DOLLARS & SENSE (The Avalanche Experience)
by Brett Shumway on Aug 10, 2010 8:00 AM MDT
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It's all about the no rookie camp.
Building from within.
Stewie and Ferris still in contractual limbo.
Marketing. Marketing! Marketing?
2 days (meaning 6 hours) of training camp in place of the normal annual 3 day camp.
Sherman sticking to the plan. Sticking to his guns. Sticking it to fans:
We have an expectation as a franchise. We have a standard as a franchise. We certainly want to exceed the expectations that we have internally. ~ Greg Sherman, July 1st on coloradoavalanche.com.
Question: Just what are those expectations mentioned in the above quote and how will they be exceeded internally? Answer: Daniel Winnik
Heart & Soul player, fan favorite, gives 100% every shift, and winner of the team's 2009-2010 goal of the season contest as voted online by fans: Matt Hendricks cut loose after asking for "too much". For more on this, see Ian Laperriere.
AVS "reloading" process.
A penny saved is a penny not going to Kovi.
The St. Louis Rams.
Sacco snubbing children.
If this is the Avalanche experience, I'd rather not.
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Why is all the stuff coming out about the Avs this offseason just screaming “long year?” I hope some of this crap changes, and soon
Help help! I'm being repressed!
Pic of Enos
Once again, Enos is annoyed when someone reminds him he still owns a hockey team.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
Bob's Theory of High Comedy
If (his own) joke is (sort of) worth telling once, repeat it as often as possible.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Aug 10, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't believe this guy is stalking me again
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 11, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s not stalking. I just know you’re better than having to repeat your earlier stuff that wasn’t that funny the first time around.
If you want to talk stalking, let’s talk about your special relationship with the folks at from A to Y. That’s some serious stalking, there.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Aug 12, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m interested in your comedy and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Really.
Running-dog lackey counter-revolutionary malcontent, Not an expert.
by Busted Twigg on Aug 10, 2010 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions
How are the Avs going to make it to the cap floor this season?
DDC, you might have to make this question a fanshot and bump it to the frontpage, because it’s a real concern and it doesn’t seem likely to resolve as the days progress.
I’m confident they’ll get there.
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 10, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
The real question is, what are we going to call the poor sap who we sign just to get over the cap? I figure if we sign anyone at this point, that would be the sole reason why, so he’s got to be feeling real good about himself.
The Place Holder?
Mr. Minimum?
Bobby Floor?
Bottom Feeder?
The Circumventor?
Build-From-Withinsurance?
Stick-With-the-Plandy Griffith?
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
Bobby Floor?
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Aug 10, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
As long as we don’t call him this guy:
Or even this guy:
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Aug 10, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
How about Tequila?
Because the Avs use him to hit the floor?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 10, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice. I like this.
"Here's your dream: Matt Duchene, can he do it?... HE CAN! HE DID IT! MATT DUCHENE AND THE AVS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS!" - Mike Haynes
Except we still want to be able to play from the floor, don’t we?
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Aug 10, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Who says you can’t play on the floor?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 10, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve heard that the Tequila makes it a lot more difficult.
That and our observance of the “Tucker Experience” last season. Then again Tucker doesn’t play any better on his skates than he does on the floor.
MHH: The Burgundy Army is on the March!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Aug 10, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Depends on who you’re playing with…
…on the floor.
I’m going to try to use that instead of “in bed” after every fortune cookie fortune.
You will discover the secret to great wealth… on the floor
You will meet the love of your life… on the floor
Help! I am trapped in a fortune cookie factory… on the floor
OK, the last one didn’t work so well.
Running-dog lackey counter-revolutionary malcontent, Not an expert.
by Busted Twigg on Aug 10, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Why do you think that they would have to sign someone just to make the floor? Stewart and Mueller’s extensions, plus the salary of a seventh defenseman should be enough.
by c0nquistad0rian on Aug 10, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
More importantly, why does Stan the Man look like a cop from a Beastie Boys video?
by Brett Shumway on Aug 10, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The lack of buzz going in to next year is incredible. I know the marketing team is run by unpaid interns or possibly even very qualified good guys working with zero budget. But, this is not how you sell season tickets.
Nuggets have a lot of negative vibe going in to next season.
Broncos are already doom and gloom after injurycamp.
Rockies are falling on their faces down the stretch.
So, the market is primed for a boost in the Avalanche base. But, that’s not how KSE sees things apparently. Instead of expanding during their young player cheap years they are contracting and circling the wagons. It makes poor sense from a competition point of view and no sense from a business point of view. I mean, aren’t the Avalanche one of the only teams if not THE only team that doesn’t pay rent? Isn’t that the very thing that’s killing Phoenix?
No rent?
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
by Dixomatic on Aug 10, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, good point. it’s pretty amazing, the team has a huge hill to climb marketing-wise. i mean, just as an example, 104.3 hasn’t breathed about the Avs in months, at least that I’ve heard.
i think their best bet would be a big-ish trade, since the free agent market is pretty much tapped. who’s out there that we could use and fits the team? Marc Staal? Cogliano? Neal?
A smidgen of marketing though would work big time. Obviously you aren’t going to find a guy the caliber of McDonough in Chicago, who basically marketed the team to death (as he did with the Cubs)…but a guy like that is proof that marketing (no matter how bad/good the team is) will work if you put effort into it
Help help! I'm being repressed!
I was living in Chicago when the kicked off the “Red Rising” campaign and have to say it was a hell of a lot more effective once the team started winning.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 10, 2010 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
This (as the kids say)
You can market the hell out of a bologna sandwich, and, in the end, it’s still a bologna sandwich.
P.T. Barnum could market the hell out of this team in this city and still not make a significant bump at the ticket office.
Doc, Marc Staal, Andrew Cogliano, and James Neal could walk naked down the 16th St Mall at high noon (easy ladies!) and, if the Broncos backup right guard sprained his little toe in camp, the naked hockey guys would get buried behind that story. And let’s admit it – 95% of us hockey diehards would be hard-pressed to pick 2 out of those 3 guys in a lineup (me included).
A trade isn’t gonna help, unless it’s for Wayne Gretzky. Marketing isn’t gonna help. Winning will help, and the economy bouncing back will help.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Aug 10, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Staal, oh please, Marc Staal. He will turn into a top pair D-man. Skates both forward and backward.
Please?
Running-dog lackey counter-revolutionary malcontent, Not an expert.
by Busted Twigg on Aug 10, 2010 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, let’s think about it for fun. They need a top line center and cap relief. We have centers, but i don’t think id trade any of the potential top line guys. So maybe a 3 way trade?
who has a top line ish center available…dallas and ribiero? Boston and savard? And both need pmds and cap relief too…
So what about:
To dallas: quincey + 2nd
To colorado: ribiero
To nyr: ribiero + wilson
To colorado: marc staal
So quincey, wilson, and a 2nd for staal. Steep price, but i think i’d do it.
by thedoctor on Aug 10, 2010 8:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Quincey And Wilson? Youch,…
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 10, 2010 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions
With our defense, especially the physical aspect of it, being so poor right now I don’t think I could stomach trading our two best physical d-men. You said PMD’s. How about Liles/Cumiskey and one of our prospects?
MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem
Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers.
You gotta give to get. There’s no way we sniff a return like staal or ribiero without losing guys like quincey and wilson. Id love to only give liles or cumiskey too, but…
Quincey and wilson are good young players, but let’s be honest: quincey’s potential caps at a number 2 guy and he’s probably a better 3. Wilson is a middle pairing guy. Any time you can take guys like that and turn them into a premier shutdown guy with true #1 potential, well, i’d jump at it. The ave need to be turning their quantity into higher quality on d.
by thedoctor on Aug 10, 2010 9:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So quincey, wilson, and a 2nd for staal. Steep price, but i think i’d do it.
and I’m 99% sure that I wouldn’t.
Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October
Not to that degree, no. As Red said, if BMF & Mack go, you’re relying on Footer and …. to lay the hurt. No thanks.
Staal looks real good, but I’m not willing to throw those dice.
Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October
Throw Wrath into the mix, however….
Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October
well, don’t forget you’re adding a big and physical replacement in return. I haven’t really thought about it at all, but your lineup probably looks like a top pairing playing ~28-30 min a night and 2 lesser 2nd/3rdish pairings playing around 15 min a night. Another youngun has to make the jump as well, or you sign a UFA.
Staal – Hannan
Foote – Liles
Cumiskey – Gaunce
Holos
I think it’s mostly a wash short term, but you’ve added an awesome 1st pairing guy for the future and you’re giving time to the younguns. long term I think it’s better.
one more exhilirating fact...
capgeek has the Avs listed as having the smallest payroll in the NHL (and the most cap space). Congrats Stan, you are the cheapest of all.
Watched a replay of the ‘01 SCFs tonight. During the Cup celebration, the announcers said (and I’m paraphrasing), “Kroenke’s not worried about the money. He’s more interested in winning.” I promptly replied, “Not anymore” and downed the rest of my beer. It seems like an eternity since I believed that.
I just like the fights.
This makes me sad....
Pass some beer?
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 10, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
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