Another Monday Open Thread
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 AM MDT
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Why am I leading with a picture of the Capitol building? Because I am in DC today with my family. Or, at least I'm scheduled to be. You see, I'm not actually typing this right now. I actually wrote it about a week ago before I left...or "tonight" from my point of view. Wow, this whole scheduled posts thing can get really confusing. I hope I don't open up some sort of wormhole.
Hey, I can even make cool predictions...like by now the Avalanche have surely signed Ilya Kovalchuk and Willie Mitchell while also locking up Chris Stewart and Peter Mueller to long-term deals. This is the best summer ever!!! I tell you what: if the future doesn't come true like I expect it to, I'm going to be MAD!
Have a great Monday, everyone.
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This summer is going by slower than a Tucker line change.
by Dario on Aug 16, 2010 7:55 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
So you’ve been falling down a lot this summer?
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 16, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
In other news, the NHL 11 demo should be out on the xbox tomorrow Aug. 17th. I’m guessing you can only play as Chicago vs Philly BUT at least you can take control of Kane and perhaps make him pick a fight with Lappy.
Oh, and when the full version comes out I expect Duchene to have a speed rating of 101, because like Spinal Tap, that shit goes to 11.
by Dario on Aug 16, 2010 7:59 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Since I’m stuck at home, I might still get NHL 2K10. I know NHL 11 comes out soon, but this “no hockey” thing is bugging the crap out of me. Maybe if there was some sort of hockey news, it would be better.
I’d love to be able to play NHL 11. Unfortunately, I only have a Wii so I’ll have to wait until EA Slapshot comes out on Sept 7.
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You’re getting slapshot? I heard it only allows for the motion controls and not the classic controller. Not too keen on that, but I was disappointed by 2k10.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
It's my only choice for a new hockey game :(
Hopefully EA does a better job with the Wii than 2KSports.
Don't eat the snow from your skates. - Sage advice from a 7 year old.
I’m beginning to have some serious withdraw.
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 16, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I read someone over at PPP call for Kabby to be traded to the Avs for Stewie. I think he was joking, but with how rabid it was yesterday with Leaf fans how can you tell. Don’t get me wrong, I love that blog, just think that they may have overvalued Kabby on the market.
Me no like da Wings.
A pleasant thought for the day: The average age of Detroit’s top 6 defensemen is 32.6 (today, I don’t know if anyone has a birthday before the first day of the season). That freak Lidstrom probably won’t get hurt, since he’s a cyborg but I think Salei will pull a Krupp on them.
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 16, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions
OT broncos thread goes here:
- Orton and the first team offense looked better than I expected.
- Still no running game at all…though with the top 4 RBs out, there’s excuses.
- First team D looked ok — better against the run — but still no pass rush.
- Brady Quinn is straight awful, wow.
- Tebow actually looked pretty good. Flawed, but he’s got a lot of potential. that 25 yard throw across his body on the move was impressive. And hurting the opposing LB on his TD run, lol.
Timmeh!!
This team is completely lacking in identity. Hoodie Jr. hasn’t figured out who he is. The biggest name on the team is a 3rd string rookie. It reminds me of the “glory days” of the mid ’70s. Where are you Steve Ramsey?
2010 Broncos – 6-10 give or take 2
Running-dog lackey counter-revolutionary malcontent, Not an expert.
by Busted Twigg on Aug 16, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I would argue that the last few years of Shanahan had no identity either
Unless “try to score 50 and hope it sticks” counts as an identity.
The Broncos just haven’t had a core of guys you root for in a long time. There’s been Champ, and Royal emerged a couple years ago, but I never really liked Cutler that much, and the less said about Marshall the better.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Their identity is tough, smart, and physical.
That’s been their identity since day one.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m checking my sarcasm meter. Its settings are correct for MHH (all elevens), but I’m not getting a clear reading on this one.
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by Busted Twigg on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Ain't any sarcasm here.
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"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Regarding Tebow
I have one of those unreasonable and semi-unexplainable dislikes for the guy. But when I went out to watch training camp he did impress me. Athletic, good poise, accurate and decent throw. A big deal was made about his mechanics, but I didnt see anything about them that will limit his NFL career. Its the rest of his makeup that people will have to worry about.
Thanks Joe...
I’ll have to admit, he’s growing on me. I don’t align with his beliefs, but bottom line, he seems like a genuinely decent guy with potential to be something in this league.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Kind of same.
Two things we can be sure of: 1. Dude wants to win BAD. 2. Probably won’t have to worry about him getting arrested driving drunk with a hooker on Colfax.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate the idolization he gets despite never winning a single NFL game, but the guy himself seems like a good guy to have on your team. He definitely puts a high priority on winning and improving himself.
"Half the game is mental; the other half is being mental." -- Jim McKenny
I think that’s exactly why he’s idolized. Just like Duchene and O’Reilly, he’s just a good guy, a warrior that wants to win, and he’s someone you can feel safe letting your kids look up to him.
If I had kids, I guess.
I think that’s exactly why he’s idolized.
He gets idolized because he’s a very good white college player who is open with his faith (and actually practices what he is open with) and played in the bible belt.
Very little of that was in his control, so I don’t hold any of it against him. I like that he’s open with his faith (I wish more athletes were open with their beliefs, whether I agree or disagree with them). I like that he doesn’t just play his beliefs lip service, but actually lives up to them. And I like his attitude and his desire. In short, I like him…
I HATE the coverage he gets, especially when that coverage is so idolatry that it overlooks any flaws he has.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL... when some athletes are open with their beliefs, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf happens.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I was ok with that. I didn’t agree with him, but he had a belief and he communicated it with a form of non-violent protest. I am completely ok with the way he handled himself.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I completely agree... but unfortunately not many other people were cool with it.
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"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Everyone gave Tebow credit for every little thing that went right during his days at UF. He had an AMAZING team playing with him. All he ever did was dump the ball short or run it up the middle. His accuracy sucked, he was just lucky to have guys around him that would make big plays. Yet somehow all that was ever mentioned after the game was Tebow. “Tebow WILLED the wide out to make a spectacular catch after Tebow’s ridiculously bad decision and throw”. Not to mention the UF defense — those kids made that team great.
I spent years dealing with the hype around Tebow in the Southeast, so I apologize if my seething seems over the top for people newly exposed to him.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
You really think it’s a racial or religious issue issue? Are you just assuming or do you have something beyond a gut feel?
I mean, if that’s the case, why doesn’t Peyton Manning have a Tebow-esque following as well? He’s white, great college player, played in the SEC for a huge program, and a very strong and public Christian.
I think Focus on the Family is a little more polarizing than just being a devout Christian. And his mom’s ad during the SB pretty much brought that to the forefront.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
well, that’s kind of a different point entirely — that Tebow is kind kind of extremist as a Christian.
I was referring more to the Jibble’s assertion that Tebow is popular for his beliefs/race. If anything, the ad and Focus on the Family stuff would make him less appealing in the mainstream, no?
It might have made him less appealing if there had been anything remotely ‘extreme’ in the ad. It was a totally banal, unoffensive, simple, wholesome ad. That one was terribly over-hyped by the media.
Thanks Joe...
Agree.
I’m no fan of FotFam, but that ad was blander than a Paul Stastny interview.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is both more popular and more disliked because he has aligned himself with a more extremist group. There were both cheers and boos when he came into the game last night.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Some boos were no doubt from people who have a negative reaction to him as a person, but probably a good chunk were from Ohio State fans, too.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey, dumb dumb, the boos were from the Ohio hicks who got used to seeing Tebow beat their teams and their boys on a during his college years*.
*You know who I’d boo from Florida? I’d boo fucking Jarvis Moss – talk about a (former Mike Shanahan draft pick) guy who really sucks in the pros. But he was part of that defense that carried Tebow. Ahem.
Anyway, Tebow will hear nothing but cheers during his home debut.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 16, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I think there’s a large part of race and religion that adds to his hype. I don’t think he would get nearly the same reception if he was black or jewish. Hell I don’t think he’d get the same reception if he was Protestant instead of evangelical.
Manning is the most visible NFL player there is, so I would say he does have a pretty large following. Although Tebow is evangelical, and Manning is Catholic. There’s no doubt evangelicals tend to be a little more enthusiastically vocal in their support than Catholics.
And I think there’s a race issue there as well.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
So why not complain about LeBron for his hype because he’s black? Isn’t his hype and reception on par with Tebow’s? I still don’t see what makes Tebow different to you.
And Manning never got the hype or hate that Tebow gets. Why not, that’s my question? Just because he’s catholic? I don’t buy that, catholics are very numerous and passionate.
LeBron has 2 MVPs, and was obviously one of the best pro prospects ever. Tebow is not. I would compare Tebow’s hype more to Michael Vick’s. Vick got a lot of hype just because he’s black (especially before the dogfighting thing).
They were idolatry from two different bases. Vick’s came from a base that views “keeping it real” as important, Tebow’s from an evangelical base. I don’t like the hype surrounding either and no doubt neither would get the hype they received had they been a different race. So there’s no doubt that it plays both ways, but in different ways.
And believe me, Manning got a whole ton of hate (and hype). Do you not remember the Manning-Leaf debates?
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Leaf went to my highschool. Total prick.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I was just about to say something about the Manning thing. Both Peyton and his better-than-Jesus brother Eli were all anybody who covered the SEC would talk about while they were there. Of course I hate Eli more than Peyton because of the Ole Miss/MSU thing, but the whole Manning family is strongly disliked in the @MHH family.
I mean Lebron when he was graduating high school. It’s easy to say NOW that he was the greatest prospect in years, but their resumes at previous levels are actually comparable. Tebow has won the Heisman or been in the top choices practically his whole college career, won 2 NCs, won innumerable other awards. Sure, his projection to the pros is less sure than Lebron’s was, but those accolades alone should lead to a comparable level of hype. Not his race. I don’t hear anyone talking about his race.
Yes, Vick’s hype was similar, and part of it was his race. But the hate was again nowhere near the Tebow hate, even the racial hatred.
I do remember the Manning / Leaf accords, but I don’t think it ever got to this level of hate, not even close.
The point I’m getting at is that Tebow’s hype is normal. The hate is not. People say they hate him simply because of the hype he gets, but that can’t be, there’s many other players with his level of hype and similar characteristics that didn’t get the frothing hate Tebow does.
People point to his race, his attitude, tons of things as justifications for why they hate, and I’m sure those are factors. But I try and look for that extra factor that’s makes Tebow different from other people, other hyped guys, and I think it’s pretty simple what makes him different: he’s an evangelical.
If I said I hated I hate black people, everyone would rightfully dogpile on me. If I said I hated muslims, same thing. If I said I hated evangelicals, I doubt anyone would bat an eye. It’s like “there’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch evangelicals” except real.
I think this is bordering dangerously close to a political/religious discussion now, so I’ll stop there. I just have a hard time with such intolerance, no matter who is on the receiving end. :(
Lebron vs Tebow
We’ll get to the other stuff later, but here’s the Lebron Tebow stuff.
Lebron would have been the consensus #1 draft pick as a junior in High School. The chosen one cover was from then, and he was considered at that point the heir to Jordan. Tebow didn’t receive that kind of hyp until after he started playing at Florida.
I get what you’re trying to say, but the comparison to Lebron isn’t really valid. Lebron was hyped solely because he was a gifted basketball player. Tebow’s hyped largely for reasons outside of football.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow’s hyped largely for reasons outside of football.
I think we straight disagree on this statement alone. I would say Tebow is hyped for his on-field performance first and foremost.
I should have said in addition to his football talents. He certainly was a good player, but I don’t think even the biggest Tebow backers think he may be the best quarterback of all time (the way Lebron is thought of).
If you agree with that, then you’d have to at least admit that some of his hype comes from factors outside football.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it’s a simple difference between sheer talent and production, not in/out of sport.
No one thinks Tebow is the biggest talent, no. But imo, everyone is fascinated by his elite production nonetheless, and how it seems to come from pure will and work ethic. There’s something even more fascinating about that, I think, but it’s hardly outside of football.
But the problem, and where everyone gets upset at it, is that his team’s production was almost entirely attributed to him. Every TD was a great throw and every INT was a bad route or bad blocking by his teammates. There’s no way that attribution isn’t affected by things outside of football itself.
Again, to Tebow’s credit he never bought into that, but the narrative was certainly there.
Then it becomes the perception about his production, and there’s a narrative about it, which is affected by outside football stuff.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s 100% par for the course in football though, at all levels. Go to any football team’s board, and there you’ll see fans justifying mistakes made by their favorite player. Go to MHR to see people justifying Orton’s mistakes, for example. Hell, we explain away Duchene’s slumps by blaming Sacco and Svatos!
There’s nothing new at all about Tebow’s fans and the media devoted to him doing that. Happens all the time. Doesn’t explain the unnatural hate.
agree
but the level for Tebow is far and away above anything I’ve ever seen, in any sport. Hell Elway’s mistakes weren’t glossed over in the way Tebow’s were. The level of isolation that Tebow receives is already at Brett-Favrian and Derek Jeterian levels. And his resume isn’t nearly as accomplished as either of them.
Of course people rationalize mistakes away, but the Tebow love has been so over the top that Tebow could probably get a restraining order from the Media.
For a hockey example, it’s the difference between Zetterberg’s contract and Kovi’s (now voided) contract. Bot irritating, but Kovi’s was so far over the line that it was preposterous. The Tebow coverage has passed that point a long time ago.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess it’s a chicken and the egg thing: I think he gets the media attention/rationalizing because of his production, you think the media attention/rationalization causes inflated perception of his production.
I can’t think of any way to rectify such a subjective juxtaposition.
I think he gets it because of his production, but to deny that his race and religious beliefs have nothing to do with it seems preposterous to me. I mean he got a large proportion of credit for the ‘06 FLA title, and he did very little that season. Meanwhile Chris Leak put together and got "Thanks, but don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out".
And that was all before Tebow had accomplished diddly-poo.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
put together a very good season* (including a deserved MVP of the BCS National title game)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
it seems equally preposterous to me to suggest Tebow’s hype is largely for reasons outside of football. Would we even be thinking about him if he hadn’t won the heisman, won 2 NCs, etc?
I think we’d still be talking about him (in a positive light, at least) if he’d never talked an ounce about his faith, or if he was black. I know I would.
First he won 2 national titles in the same way Osgood’s won 3 Stanley cups, in that he didn’t do a lot to win the first one.
Obviously, we wouldn’t be talking about him if he wasn’t a good player. But that’s one of multiple factors here. His football is the most important one, but there’s more than one contributing factor here. There’s a ton of good players that come out college, but I can’t remember one getting the attention, and not just attention but completely unabashed adoration, that Tebow has gotten nationally.
And no I don’t think he’d get nearly as much attention if he was black. I don’t think he’d get nearly as much attention if he wasn’t so openly Evangelical.
(I also don’t think he’d get as much attention even if he was openly Evangelical but played at a school like Michigan or Wisconson. A large part of the mythology of Tebow has been being Evangelical in a largely evangelical region and conference.) It’s a perfect storm of circumstances that has created a media nightmare.
I mean 2 members of the Bengals media asked him for an autograph. Media, asking rookies for an autograph. That’s a lot more than your run of the mill “hype”, even for a good player.
Tebow obviously wants the attention for his religion, and it’s fine. But I can understand how that rubs people the wrong way. (It rubs me the wrong way).
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
did you actually read the article? it’s pretty much solely about Tebow the player. A completely standard fluff piece for a 1st round QB. That headline is just an attention getter, and certainly didn’t have anything to do with Tebow’s wishes. http://www.5280.com/issues/2010/1008/feature.php?pageID=2319
I get that Tebow gets attention for his faith, and I’m glad we agree it’s not the biggest part of his fame. My question remains though, why the frothing hate for him? Take your quote:
Tebow obviously wants the attention for his religion, and it’s fine. But I can understand how that rubs people the wrong way. (It rubs me the wrong way).
Yes, he wants to promote his faith. But why does that rub you the wrong way, when Abdul-Rauf’s public declarations of faith were perfectly fine with you? I don’t mean to pick on you, but I think this is exactly what I’m talking about. I think it’s because Tebow is an “evangelical.”
No I didn’t read the article, mainly because I’m not really interested in puff pieces on Tebow. But that’s the point, there’s so damn many puff pieces on Tebow talking about how great he is that it’s sickening.
I mean the Broncos had two 1st round draft picks, and I couldn’t even tell you the other guys name. Yet Tebow gets articles like this one by Kiszla
Hey, if it’s impossible for Captain America to be perfect, what hope is there for mere mortals like the rest of us?
“Captain America”, “Perfect”, “immortal” all in one sentence. Seriously, gag me with a fucking butcher knife. And Kiszla hasn’t written a positive word about anyone in over a decade.
And obviously the message that Abdul-Rauf was sending bothered me. He didn’t stand for the anthem because he thought the US Flag was a symbol of oppression. That, obviously, rubbed me the wrong way. (not to mention the incredibly irony of being in a country free enough to allow him to do that to protest opression). All I was trying to say before is that I was ok with how he handled himself. A peaceful non-violent protest.
But all the coverage that Tebow gets for being “perfect”, combined with his outgoing religiousness (which, intentionally or not, plays up those comparisons) has created a strong backlash. That is what rubs me the wrong way.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 17, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
well, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I don’t think Tebow’s hype is out of the ordinary, you do. You don’t think the hate is out of the ordinary, I do.
/shrug
I think the hate is out of the ordinary, but I think it’s proportional to the hype (and due to the hype). I think the hate is mostly backlash, but that backlash is against the thing that people overhype, which his religiousness.
So some of the hate tends to be directed that way.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity
How much do you follow college football? I think a lot of his (over) hype comes from that arena. If you don’t follow it much (like most Colorado born and breads) it may be a different perspective.
I say that because from an NFL fan-perspective he doesn’t get the hype that he did in college.
That was just a thought that popped in my head.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 18, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Also
a lot of the Tebow media idolation has had a very religious subtext to it.
Check out Deadspin’s #tebowmessiahwatch. Sure some of their examples are major stretch, but some of them are right on the money.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
that’s exactly what I’m talking about: negative, mocking attention based on his evangelical beliefs. Manning never got that, for example.
Most of those articles are making fun of the media and the way they idolize him, not really at them.
I’d say the number of positive articles that are influenced by his religious experience FAR outweighs any negative mocking he gets.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
That may be true of the traditional media, but that’s true of all prospects, how many negative articles are written by the MSM at all about draftees or players in general?
but look at the blogs and the stuff fans write. The vitriol is incredible, and far outweighs the positive stuff.
As said above, sure there’s puff pieces on anyone, but the extent to which Tebow gets fluffed far outweighs anything I’ve ever seen of a college athlete.
And most of that vitrol is backlash for the way Tebow is treated as if he’s a deity himself, instead of a follower of one.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 17, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
You may view my opinion slightly biased in this manner. But I agree. The college football media loves a kid like Tebow.
And this:
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
It’s more than an opinion from me. My eyes involuntarily squint with rage at the mere mention of his name.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
lol. Poor you.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
With mere mention of TIM TEBOW?
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
You mean Tim Tebow that used to play for Florida?
That Tim Tebow?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Tim Tebow Tim Tebow Tim Tebow.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Have you heard of him?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Tim Tebow, I mean.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
People
my eyes are going to collapse in on themselves. It’s not appreciated.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait, what’s your problem with Tim Tebow? Tim Tebow is awesome! Maybe you just haven’t gotten to know Tim Tebow.
He's white. And a Christian, too.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Good thing Mike isn’t around to ban us. I don’t think he likes Tim Tebow.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Holy freaking crap
Bob, I can’t believe you just wrote that.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Pleasantly surprised by Orton. Still wouldn’t want him as my QB down by a score late in a game that matters, however. Wonder how long the smoke and mirrors on the O-Line will hold up as well? Please get well soon Mr. Clady.
The pass rush went down with Doom. I saw Ayers manhandled on a few occasions last night including one long run by Cincy. For all of his talk, he still looks like a bust. That and two rookie WR injury risks that are already proving to be what they were when drafted, risks, and the jury is still seriously out on McD. At some point and time he’ll have to be accountable for his actions.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Ayers was drawing double-teams.
Sadly, this fact would be killer if Doom was there.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
On the run I am thinking of he was taken out of the play one-on-one by a tight end, I believe. He just doesn’t look like he’s able to fight off blocks. Especially against the run. Hope I’m wrong. We need him to step it up with Doom out.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
The irony of losing Doom is that he isn't a stellar run-defender.
Hagans, in his stead, is, so the running-D on that side of the field has actually improved. If Ayers is replacing Doom and not doing well against the run, then nothing will actually change. The loss is actually in the pass-rush, and this is where Ayers played well – he was drawing double-teams (opening up holes for the other guys) and applying pressure often.
Interestingly, he was blowing up runs
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Doh, didn't finish before I accidentally posted...
Interestingly, he was blowing up runs in camp, but I guess this shows the quality of the 4th stringers…
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
* Haggans
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
* Haggan
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember Haggan with a nice run stop behind the line.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 16, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah. It's a shame that Doom got hurt, but he's an underrated player.
Him and DJ on the inside would be a good combo, which is possibly where he’s better suited to playing, because he’s a big guy.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, Doom was such a blow.
He got payed and looked really fired up. I hope he can return for the final part of the season. If Ayers has come into his own by then, we will have a pretty stellar LB group with DJ, Doom, and Haggans moving back inside.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I tie my hopes to the fact that we don't know the severity of the injury...
…only that it’s torn. If it’s bad, then yeah, see ya next year. Hopefully, it isn’t.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, haha, but not as bad as if he'd gotten his arm ripped off. :p
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
flesh wound.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tim Tebow would heal it.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Who’s Tim Tebow?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Some guy.
He plays football, apparently.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Huh.
Probably not very good, I’ve never heard of him.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I heard his delivery...
…is kinda… slow…
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
He was the entire LB corp when he played at State.
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They might make a cream for that.
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by Americanario on Aug 16, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Nevertheless, the rest of the LBs DO need to step up to make up for Doom's absence.
If they manage to, and he still returns in November – watch out!
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow Tebow Tebow
I watched 1st team offense then turned it off. All I heard in any analysis was how Tebow did (not here, but on radio and other places). That crap infuriates me.
The 1st team offense, you know the guys who will actually be playing when the real season starts, actually looked good last night. Let’s talk about them, and have a side bar about Tebow.
*everything about all analysis should be caveated with It’s the god damned preseason, where even the Lions have looked like world beaters the last 10 years. It means very very little
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
It should be noted that the final score is irrelevant...
…but the score was 14-0 when the backups came in.
That’s pretty darn good against the first-team of a squad slated to go deep into the playoffs, especially considering the injuries. They need to get healthy soon, and that o-line has to improve, on the inside more than outside for the Broncos to do well this year.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
eh
again, small sample size and there are countless examples of bad offenses looking good in the preseason. Don’t get me wrong, It’s better for them to look good than bad, but there’s not a whole lot you can tell from 2-3 series.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
True.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Aw cmon, you should have watched Tebow. It really was interesting to watch. Plus, if actually seeing the field in the regular season is your metric, I’d bet good money he sees it in wildcat/red zone situations often.
He really needs to get rid of the ball faster though. Not mechanically (though that wouldn’t hurt), just mentally. His pocket presence was poor.
He generally avoided the rush well (not on the "fumble"), but if he acts like Ben Whatisberger, he's going to get hurt.
Ben’s style of holding on for 7 seconds will get him killed eventually, too much pounding.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought he still held onto the ball a beat longer than he should have in many situations. Maybe I’m just used to Kyle “OMG PRESSURE THROW IT AWAY” Orton. :)
I agree. It's the one criticism I have that he may not be able to fix - slow IPS.
All elite QBs make their decisions very quickly, i.e. the game is slow for them. If he wants to be elite, the game needs to slow down for him, too.
Besides Orton, it could just as well be Peyton Manning; when he knows the sack is coming, the first thing he does is go limp. Either that or he’ll immediately fall down on his knees. At least Tebow won’t do this… that counts for something.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Watched “Date Night” with the wife instead. I prefer that to preseason football any day of the week. The only reason I watched the starters was because it was on while we were out at dinner.
Gaining much from the preseason is really, IMO, an exercise in futility. It reeks of extremely small sample size. I mean the Denver offense did look good at times last season, just not enough. I was pleased with it, but I’m not going to put too much weight into it either.
And even if Tebow, or any other 3rd stringer for that matter, did look good, it was against marginal NFL players. But I already knew he looks good against marginal NFL caliber players, I saw him in college.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
family? wife? real world? c’mon man, priorities. :)
and an NFL team’s 3rd string is vastly better than your typical college team. add that it’s in a new style offense, and I still found it interesting.
an NFL team’s 3rd string is vastly better than your typical college team.
Try telling that to an SEC fan.
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I avoid that when possible. ;)
Actually, that would be a really interesting game to watch: Bronco’s 3rd string vs. Florida. My money is on the Broncos 3rd string, even with one of the best college programs in opposition. Typical college football teams would get owned, imo.
I’ll take that bet. Would also be willing to supplant UF with any of UGA, Alabama, LSU, or Auburn (given the team has a few seniors in the lineup).
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s the nuttiest of all the nutty bets ever on the internet. The pro 3rd stringers would not only win this mythical game, they would break bones and send college players to the hospital. It would be a beating of epic proportions.
I get that SEC fans are passionate about their inbred league and their inbred sport, but a dose of reality is nice every once in awhile.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 16, 2010 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I suppose we’ll find out once they play, eh?
by MalachiConstant on Aug 17, 2010 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Champ had an exceptional game while he was in. Anyone know how long Moreno is out for?
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was 6 weeks at the time. He's already been seen around Dove Valley working out.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 16, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Quick question:
Is there a certain date by which the Avs have to be at the salary floor? Just the start of the season?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 16, 2010 10:41 AM MDT reply actions
I think so…
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 16, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
There is a date
I think (And I’m most likely wrong), that it’s about a week before the season openers.
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avs apparently made a late offer, though it doesn’t matter now, we don’t have much else to talk about….. so… i wonder who it was?
by Cole D Hamilton on Aug 16, 2010 11:04 AM MDT reply actions
Easy thread to fly through today. NFL = SNNOOOOOOOOZE.
I mean, I watch because it’s there, but outside of it’s easy gambling opportunities, and fantasy application, the game itself does nothing for me.
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Yeah, same for me. We were already watching True Blood and just checked in with the football game to fulfill the “he who shall not be named” hatred quota. That’s actually the first NFL game I’ve “watched” in .. um.. going to go with 4 years.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 16, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I just thought pansies didn’t have a t. That’s why I thought pantsys would be neat. I get a cute little mental picture of flowers with denim leaves. :-)
I had forgotten that the Mrs. is into grammar correction.
My grandfather used to have a fun saying about that, but I can’t quite remember it. Something like this:
He who, in public,
Corrects another’s grammar
Should receive a pat on the head
Preferably with a hammer.
Thanks Joe...
How do you think I got her knocked up TWICE?!?!?!?!
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Damn Moljiner (sp?) really is the all powerful hammer.
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by Americanario on Aug 16, 2010 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
You’re saying you knocked her down first?
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by Busted Twigg on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I Watch NFL when there’s no hockey on, but I could care less about the ponies. So I flew through these comments…
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by Americanario on Aug 16, 2010 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
NFL lost me when the average game started taking 4.5 hours
I know every professional sport should be a mixture of entertainment and sport, but NFL puts entertainment too far above the sport.
Don't eat the snow from your skates. - Sage advice from a 7 year old.
I read an article in the Wall Street journal about numerous studies that were done on football – both college and professional – that analyzed the amount of time that the football was actually in play. It was around 13 minutes out of 60.
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 16, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Here is a good take.
http://www.cracked.com/funny-2468-nfl-games/
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wait..we are on milehighHOCKEY.com …right?
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Eh
it’s august and there’s no hockey news. We could rehash the Yip: 2nd or 3rd liner argument if you’d like?
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 16, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
meh, I just ignore it.
Sandie
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by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 16, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I fear I contributed to it. It’s kind of scary when the open thread gets the most activity in a couple of weeks and the core of the conversation is about Tebow.
Time for some hockey, dammit. I’ll even take news from the NHL R&D camp.
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by Busted Twigg on Aug 16, 2010 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions
For your consideration – new rules in testing at the NHL R&D camp around faceoffs.
Should they do them kind of like lacrosse where they place the puck and then blow the whistle?
Should there be only one faceoff dot inside the blue line right in front of the net?
What else should the R&D camp be looking at in the coming years?
Now, back to the hockey talk.
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