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The MSM vs blogger debate has been going on for years and will no doubt continue for years more. The latest bit of intrigue has been sparked by a Puck Daddy post this morning. The short version is the the New York Rangers are pissed that an SBN blogger that had reported on a "Fire Glen Sather" rally was credentialed for the NHL draft this summer. While the Rangers can easily block this blogger from getting credentialed for games at MSG, they are upset that said blogger could still be credentialed for other NHL events like the draft or Rangers' away games.

As Puck Daddy reports, the NHL held a conference call earlier this week to discuss the complex issue of granting (or not granting) press credentials to bloggers. While more and more teams are finding ways to welcome bloggers into the press box, other teams are still reluctant. One concern is that since credentials are given out by the home team, a blog-averse team like the Rangers could be subjected to bloggers having access to their locker room on road games. [UPDATE: Blueshirt Banter has now provided their take on the "controversy" that kicked this off"]

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As if that wasn't entertainment enough, PD has since released a leaked memo that followed up that meeting with a set of guidelines on issuing credentials. Bottom line: if you do issue credentials to a blogger, make sure you keep them away from the visiting team and, if possible, out the press box. Oh, and be sure to give them a special orange nametag so that no one confuses them for an actual legitimate journalist.

Of particular interest to me, though, was the following tidbit:

Which is why one Western Conference team, during this week's call, said no bloggers are getting in their building "without a ticket."

You know which team I immediately thought of, and I know I'm not the only one (Your Honor, I would like to enter Exhibit A and Exhibit B into evidence). And, according to sources, we'd be correct.

The Avs' official policy is that they don't credential bloggers or online-only radio stations and that is 100% their choice to make. Their team, their rules. It doesn't bother me a great deal, as I have almost no interest in receiving press credentials. On the list of where I'd most like to watch an Avalanche game, the Avs' press box is way down there sandwiched between a bus terminal lounge and Woody Paige's leather sectional. And while I'm unable to get credentialed, I have contacted the Avs' front office a few times and have always received courteous, prompt and helpful responses. Meanwhile, I know a blogger of another team who has been hung up on when contacting said team.

The proposal above is laughable and clumsy, but it illustrates how complicated this issue is. There isn't an easy way to vet the press-box worthiness of a potential blogger. An actual reporter like Adrian Dater has things like experience, education and, most importantly, an editor to help shape his stories into something professional. While the Avalanche certainly won't agree with everything he writes, they know those journalistic restraints will generally keep his story somewhere within an acceptable range for them. Me? I don't have an editor. I could write something intelligent today and something ridiculously stupid tomorrow.  I could lavish the Avalanche front office with praise a day before I write a story blasting Pierre Lacroix complete with a picture of Napoleon Bonaparte. I've probably used every one of George Carlin's seven dirty words to describe the Avs' play...and I've invented a few more at times to describe their front office. Even though I take this blog very seriously and consider MHH to be one of the premier Avalanche blogs out there, I still represent a level of instability that keeps PR guys awake at night. And I am by no means the biggest or the kookiest blogging threat out there.

There's another thing about blogs that I don't think gets mentioned enough. The Colorado Avalanche need Adrian Dater...or, more accurately, The Denver Post. The whole point of allowing the press access to the team is to make sure the team is getting talked about. Cut off access and you don't get your name in the paper. With a team blog like this? We're going to talk about the Avalanche no matter what sort of access we get. The Avalanche do not need to coax me into talking about their team; it's automatic. It won't always be positive, but it will always be...there. Sometime this fall, the 1,000,000th visitor will come here to read about the Avs; that's a lot of free press.

That doesn't mean that I agree with the black & white, "no means no" policy that teams like the Avalanche, Ducks, Oilers and Rangers enforce. I think it is tremendous that more and more NHL teams (and the league as a whole) are working to find ways to incorporate bloggers into their media plan. It makes sense; if there's any league in the US that could benefit from more press, it's the NHL. But even if bringing bloggers into the fold is the "right" thing to do, it's still not an easy feat to pull off (as that clumsy league email clearly shows). And while some teams - including the one I faithfully follow - are not exactly racing to jump on the new media bandwagon, that's their prerogative. In the end, I'll still be sitting here in my creaky old chair, hacking away at the keyboard trying to come up with funny nicknames for Kevin Shattenkirk. Oh, and while you're up, Woody, can you grab me another beer?

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Do what they want.

I think each team should be able to hand out credentials to whom ever they choose. If some teams want to hand them out to bloggers then great. It will definitely add more press for the team, but as you mentioned this particular blog provides crazy amounts of press for the Avs.

Put It On Ice A blog focusing on the Colorado Avalanch and Syracuse Crunch.

by MVerminski on Aug 26, 2010 7:27 PM MDT reply actions  

The Avs really seemed to have warmed their relations with Avs blogs. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they want NHL and other team specific blogs to stay away.

Brannigan's Law is like Brannigan's love, hard and fast.

by InYoFace on Aug 26, 2010 7:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I should say, warmed their relations as compared to years past.

Brannigan's Law is like Brannigan's love, hard and fast.

by InYoFace on Aug 26, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

what i don’t understand about this, why are teams restricting access to visiting teams’ locker rooms. Being an Avs fan in Vancouver, i could care less about what the sedins did, I want to know why Foote and Liles weren’t on them all game (as an example)

Is it October yet?!

www.patrickkanesloosechange.blogspot.com - please love us!!

by horbayj on Aug 26, 2010 7:33 PM MDT reply actions  

because it’s a potential end-around. Rangers blogger can’t get credentials for Rangers home game, but gets credentials from the Islanders when they host the Rangers. Since he’s got credentials, he gets into Rangers dressing room.

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 26, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

got it

Is it October yet?!

www.patrickkanesloosechange.blogspot.com - please love us!!

by horbayj on Aug 26, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I can see why the team give preferencial treatment to the paper. the post advertises at pepsi center (that flying paper blimp that drops gift certs + other ads) so you want to give them the inside. I still think that some teams still see bloggers as fans trying to get in to see the game for free, I think this will change over time, most of the people in charge learned to type on a typewriter rather than a keyboard and probably don’t use the internet all that much (in short they’re old and more likely to tell you to get off their lawn than read a blog).

Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 26, 2010 7:44 PM MDT reply actions  

For those of you who don’t know, a great story from a few years back is still on Covered In Oil about their fight with the Oilers Media people in regards to blogging

Is it October yet?!

www.patrickkanesloosechange.blogspot.com - please love us!!

by horbayj on Aug 26, 2010 7:54 PM MDT reply actions  

yes, I remember that. someone tossed for blogging from the press box, correct?

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 26, 2010 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

correct, despite the fact that he was there working for his accredited newspaper

Is it October yet?!

www.patrickkanesloosechange.blogspot.com - please love us!!

by horbayj on Aug 26, 2010 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bloggers?
Kill ’em all!

by Brett Shumway on Aug 26, 2010 8:11 PM MDT reply actions  

MSM is dying, blogs provide more info and perspectives. Maybe our new young “owner” will see things differently.

PS- We’re all Hockey Experts™.

by niwotsblessing on Aug 26, 2010 8:11 PM MDT reply actions  

I’ve seen a ton of replays

Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Aug 26, 2010 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

As someone who’s been in a press box (I was a stats runner for Edmonton’s pro lacrosse team) the best part is flashing your pass to the usher who opens the door to let you up. Beyond that, the popcorn ain’t bad

Is it October yet?!

www.patrickkanesloosechange.blogspot.com - please love us!!

by horbayj on Aug 26, 2010 8:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Rush!!!

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 29, 2010 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know the Avalanche don’t exactly reach out to the new media. However, the media relations department is receptive to cordial requests. I’ve “arranged” email Q&As for some blogs and under the non-credentialed mantle of a HFboard writer I was given permission to speak to rookies at rookie camp. I think they do the reactive thing very professionally. However, these guys from Quebec running the show are old school and not the most progressive of back rooms.

I’m not sure why a blogger would ever want a credential anyway. Go to games and not cheer? Go to games and not wear Avs gear? Bloggers aren’t going to travel to away games and do the work there so why should they get the same credential as a writer from the Denver Post? Hey, if they want to do something progressive like have an invite for a bloggers row to a game or two and maybe a pre-game meeting to brainstorm marketing ideas, then that would be fantastic. However, I’d expect the Avs to be one of the last organizations to embrace that. But, they do deserve some credit.

by Dario on Aug 26, 2010 9:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m surprised more teams don’t do that “brainstorm marketing ideas” thing now. It seems so easy and low-cost that it can only be win-win. If you get core fans who know and love the team and only want it grow and succeed(*)… at least hear them out on suggestions they may have (e.g. “It’s all about the A” is lame!).

(*) that is, unless any of these fans are emo—in which case as soon as their team makes a deep playoff run, they turn around and say “Man, I only liked Dutchie when he used to hit posts!” And then they go root for the Leafs because they’ll always bring pain and suffering.

:,(

They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.

by Guitarpick8120 on Aug 27, 2010 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Please clarify

One million visitors, or one million hits?

by Tapeleg on Aug 27, 2010 1:18 AM MDT reply actions  

sorry, hits. probably should have said 1 millionth non-unique visitor…but that would have been clunky. chalk it up as blogger hyperbole!

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

(figured it would be tommelot to call me out there)

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 6:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

He’s just jealous.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, of me. Not Dave.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, of course I’m jealous of you. You live in OKC. What could be better?

by Tapeleg on Aug 27, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anywhere else?

Dear Colorado Avalanche: Thank you for the excitement, see you in October.

by Drakenlot on Aug 28, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not the Center of the Universe.

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

Good thing I’m far enough north of it that I’m not affected by it’s pull.

Dear Colorado Avalanche: Thank you for the excitement, see you in October.

by Drakenlot on Aug 30, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’re off the Christmas card list, buddy.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 30, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it wouldn’t be easy to predict it would be me to say it. I don’t come around here all that often. Hits is fine. Or even visits. Visits makes more sense than visitors.

by Tapeleg on Aug 27, 2010 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

You see, bloggers can’t be trusted. David would totally ask for Tebow’s autograph in the lockeroom.

BTW, you should come around more often!

by Dario on Aug 27, 2010 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

seconded. Dario even limited his comment to under 1,000 words just for you!

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

We will see. This really isn’t my place. I wasn’t all that welcome in the past.

by Tapeleg on Aug 27, 2010 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

really? crazies in gameday threads?

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

No. I’ll tell you offline sometime.

by Tapeleg on Aug 27, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

please. I’d like to hear it.

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too. Ohh wait. I’ve heard the story. In a bar. In OKC.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh, so THAT’S the reason!

by Dario on Aug 28, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

chalk it up as blogger hyperbole!

You ALWAYS do this!

Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October

by Hopfenkopf on Aug 27, 2010 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Sandie

"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury

by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 29, 2010 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

http://my.statcounter.com/project/standard/stats.php?granularity=yearly&project_id=4909965

according to those stats linked on the sidebar is it 1 millionth…this year? MHH crossed 1m hits a long time ago…?

by thedoctor on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

that’s page loads. and we just started using statcounter about a year ago. Our sitemeter stats should show everything since day one http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s38milehighhockey

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

(and that link is at the bottom of every page, for those who dig that sort of stuff)

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bottom line is I bring eyes to this site on at LEAST a bi-monthly basis. I don’t think that can be denied.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

“An actual reporter like Adrian Dater has things like experience, education and, most importantly, an editor to help shape his stories into something professional.”

I wouldn’t count on the editors doing much shaping, though. Heck, they don’t even proof the news stories for typos any longer. I can’t imagine the editors having enough time for sober reflection on the quality of a 200 word story buried on page 5 of the sports section.

by Andy_ on Aug 27, 2010 8:56 AM MDT reply actions  

MHH posts have way more editors than any traditional newspaper. Though the editors here tend to be a sarcastic bunch. Also the most common “edit” is a TWSS joke.

by MalachiConstant on Aug 27, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

that’s what she said.

Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 27, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

wait that doesn’t make sense, how about. “It’s just been revoked!!”

Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 27, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

"I'll have what she's having!"

Dear Colorado Avalanche: Thank you for the excitement, see you in October.

by Drakenlot on Aug 28, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

going to have to set up a link to that.

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting that the Wstern Conf. team that said (paraphrase) the only way a blogger getting in is with a ticket is probably not the Avs. (unless, you know, they don’t realize Justin’s a blogger)

Which means there’s a team even more archaic in their handling of the media.

Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Aug 27, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you run an SB Nation blog, for example, you might have an awesome audience, but if your content is sarcastic and openly negative towards the team, you won’t get a credential. If your blog is based in that kind of atmosphere, you are not proving to the NHL team that you are ready to inform the public in a professional manner

hey, I resemble that remark!

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I wondered at that too. All content here is not sarcastic and openly negative. A lot of the comments after the posts are, and sure there are bits here and there in the posts, but the overall feel of the blog is not that.

by Mrs @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

but are audience is, indeed, awesome.

/pandering

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m going to just leave that amazingly bad typo in there.

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would take pride in that.

They already have Altitude to tell them “how they might not maybe be the best in the NHL” at being… in the NHL.

by Dario on Aug 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

you might have an awesome audience, but if your content is sarcastic and openly negative towards the team, you won’t get a credential.

Dater has already filled that position.

Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Aug 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel like they’re talking about me to my face now…

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just a Clarification for Everyone...

Just to clarify those that think I’m a blogger…

I’ve had a full-season credential with the Avalanche the past two seasons through Mile High Sports Radio since I host Avalanche Weekly with Mike Haynes. And when I was just a PHWA member in the 2006-07 season, I had to do the game-by-game request since I only covered ten games that year.

But the Avalanche have never recognized me as a blogger because I never labeled myself as one. Nor do I consider myself one. I participated in the Blogger Roundtable the past few years because I’m obsessed with goalies ;) But I’ll pass on that this year so someone else can get involved =).

Thanks DDC for the shoutout on Twitter and looking forward to the new season guys!!

I want to challenge MHH to play in an After-Hours game against The Avs Guild. But I’ll post that a little later. Your team against our team in a good ol’ fashioned pick-up hockey game before or after an Avs game this year ;)

by TheAvalancheGuild on Aug 27, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want to challenge MHH to play in an After-Hours game against The Avs Guild. But I’ll post that a little later. Your team against our team in a good ol’ fashioned pick-up hockey game before or after an Avs game this year ;)

Sounds cool! Of course, I can’t skate (though that never stopped Tucker)…

Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October

by Hopfenkopf on Aug 27, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me too. Who’s willing to pay for my ticket with the luggage upcharge for my reek-tastic bag of goalie gear?

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mike,

From goalie to goalie, I will cover your ticket to whatever game this would end up being on. My goal is to actually be able to play in the damn thing ;) Either way I told the Avs I wanted to do it and they liked the idea so I want to make it happen. Cheers!

by TheAvalancheGuild on Aug 27, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

of course, it helps if I actually read your message the correct way. Either way, if you make it out, your ticket is taken care of.

by TheAvalancheGuild on Aug 27, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll play. I even have my own gear and everything.

MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem

Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers.

by TheRed on Aug 27, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you the smelly guy, rich guy, naked guy or hungover guy? We need to represent every lockeroom genre. I’ll be the married guy checking his phone.

by Dario on Aug 28, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

how about smelly, naked, and hungover? three birds with one stone.

MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem

Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers.

by TheRed on Aug 28, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can’t be the rich guy. Have you seen what a hockey stick costs lately?

MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem

Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers.

by TheRed on Aug 28, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man...

Times like these make me wish I lived in the Denver area.

I loved the After Hours on Sakic Night. Great way to cap off an amazing vacation.

Dear Colorado Avalanche: Thank you for the excitement, see you in October.

by Drakenlot on Aug 28, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll play!

I just like the fights.

by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 30, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which means there’s a team even more archaic in their handling of the media.

I’m guessing it’s edmonton, judging by the history they have. Not that I’d be surprised if it were the Avs.

MHH- A drinking site with a hockey problem

Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers.

by TheRed on Aug 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was going to FanShot it, but decided it would be more salient here.

Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October

by Hopfenkopf on Aug 27, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

salient? geez, do you cut the crusts off your cucumber sandwiches too?

The 8th month is the month for Wolskis

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 27, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pish posh!

That, my good man, is the reason one employs a butler!

Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October

by Hopfenkopf on Aug 27, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Butler is so noueveau-riche. We rightly refer to them as manservants.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 27, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Quite! One must, however, take pains not to allow them to be confused with the valet.

Colorado Avalanche Offseason Strategy - Please wake us in October

by Hopfenkopf on Aug 27, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course. I at least retain the Christian names of my menservants. However, valets get no such accommodation. Wouldn’t want the rabble getting any ideas.

Penny farthing!!!

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 30, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

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