GroupThink: SBNation Mock Expansion Protected List
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 6:00 AM MDT
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PrintTo help relieve the summer doldrums, SB Nation is running a mock expansion draft. The two cities have been awarded (Quebec and Winnipeg) and the nicknames will be established today (Nordiques and Jets are the runaway non-original front runners). Now comes the fun part: we have to come up with a mock protected list for the Colorado Avalanche.
The rules of the deal are as follows:
- Teams can protect either "1 goalie, 5 defensemen and 9 forwards" OR "2 goalies, 3 defensemen and 7 forwards."
- If you go the two goalie route, at least one goalie left unprotected must have played in at least 10 games last season OR 25 games in the last two seasons combined. One game = at least 31 minutes.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least one defenseman who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Each team must leave unprotected at least two forwards who appeared in 40 games last season OR 70 games in the last two seasons combined.
- Players who have played in 49 or fewer games are automatically exempt and do not need to be protected.
The 49-game rule will exempt Ryan Stoa, Brandon Yip and Justin Mercier. Including John Grahame (who I believe is the only LEM player eligible to be taken), the Avalanche have 12 forwards, 6 defensemen and 3 goalies and it's our job to come up with a protected list from the listed players below.
| Stastny | Hannan |
| Duchene | Liles |
| Hejduk | Quincey |
| McLeod | Foote |
| Winnik | Cumiskey |
| O'Reilly | Wilson |
| Galiardi | |
| Jones | Anderson |
| Porter | Budaj |
| Koci | Grahame |
| Mueller | |
| Stewart |
Porter and Jones are the only two players that didn't play in at least 40 games last year or 70 the last two years. At least two forwards and one defensemen need to have hit that plateau, so this fact may come into play later.
For now, though, I our job is to figure out if we are going to protect 1 goalie or 2. Protect one goalie (Anderson) and we risk losing Peter Budaj but we can 2 extra defensmen and 2 extra forwards. (A total of 60 players will be drafted and each existing team can lose no more than 1 D and 1 G). If you think the 8th best forward and 4th best defenseman on the above list is more worthy of protection than Budaj, then you'd want to go with the 1-goalie option in the poll. Once we determine which path to take, we'll narrow down our protected list later this week so get your vote in today.
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Protect onlly 1 goalie
I am a firm believer that we only protect Andy as there will be sever free agent goalies on the market next year and there are plenty still there now. But we need to keep our young talent and the only way to do that is only protect one goalie.
Let the new season begin already!!!
I forgot to add the poll. that’s up now
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 6:39 AM MDT reply actions
Sorry Boots
But Budajs are a dime a dozen. Anderson is who we really need to protect. Not that it matters for the time being but my vote is to have Winnik, Koci and Porter be the ones who get left unprotected. For the D, Quincey or Liles. Probably Liles, because if the Avs get forced to get rid of him then maybe they’ll replace him with somebody who has some size.
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I would also go with the 1 goalie option and leave Koci, Porter, and either McLeod or Winnik unprotected. They are pretty much equal in age, size, and contract, but with McLeod he is a known commodity and has a bit more playoff experience so I’d probably keep him and let Winnik go. For the D-man, I would let Liles go. This would free up even more cap room and make way for the younger defensemen.
yeah, I have a feeling there’s not going to be a ton of debate over the lists
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Let’s get it started and see what happens.
Protect List
Forwards: Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly, Stewart, Meuller, Hejduk, Galiardi, Jones, Koci (just checking if you were awake)
Defense: Hannan, Quincey, Foote, Wilson, Cumiskey
Goalie: Anderson
No need to protect Liles as his silly contract is an impenetrable shield. I’d say the same for
Hannan, but we really don’t have a quick replacement for his skillset.
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by Busted Twigg on Aug 30, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I disagree on Liles. I think he’d be taken, probably a relatively high pick (saying this without looking at other teams)
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I suspect the expansion teams would get cap floor relief. An intelligent GM would be collecting 3rd liners for value rather than taking on other teams salary mistakes.
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by Busted Twigg on Aug 30, 2010 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Winnik over McLeod
hate to loose either but Winnik is the better player even if the old McLeod shows up this season. Plus the two teams are likely to skip over McLeod than say a Winnik in an expansion draft
Remember- leaving someone unprotected doesn’t mean we lose them automatically, it only means they may be drafted by the new teams. I am also in favor of protecting only one goalie, and I would leave Foote unprotected. Any expansion team taking him at this stage in his career is clearly run by fools.
I agree with this
he’d just retire. Would be a pretty snarky move on our part though.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 30, 2010 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
i dunno, expansion teams love to take those aging big name vet types to hit the ground running and add leadership. I wouldn’t leave Foote out there, simply because I think they’d take him.
I was thinking that should this make-believe expansion occur next summer, we could have an informal agreement with Footer that he delay his retirement announcement until after the expansion draft. Totally a dick move, but would work for us.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 30, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Let’s trade him to Columbus, then have him retire instead
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 30, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I’d dangle Hannan out there. He’s okay positionally but not great and forwards skate around him. If someone takes him, the Avs have that much more salary to use and one more of the D kids gets some minutes in the big time. Of course, that would make getting to the cap floor even that much harder, but still…. This is, after all, just a game.
he was our best defenseman last year
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
But
he just isn’t a good fit with this team.
I mean he makes more than $1M.
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 30, 2010 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
and he’s of legal drinking age
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
Poor Andy.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 30, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, but Hannan’s pretty good still, a solid #3 type imo. If he was anchoring a 2nd or 1b pairing, I’d be ecstatic. As is, he gets the job done.
You’d be ecstatic paying $4.5 million for your 3rd defenseman*? If you say so, Mr. Warbucks.
*And he is in no way, shape, or form a 3rd defenseman on a Cup-contending team.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 30, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
On a pretty bad defensive team. Good start to the season, weak end, terrible contract.
In this hypothetical expansion, are the Avs going to be a team that truly wants to make the playoffs, or are they going to be a team that only signs Daniel Winnik in the offseason and has to reach to make the cap floor and will finish in the bottom 5 in the conference? I guess that information would help me decide who I keep and who I let go.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 30, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Yesssss
He’s slow, not physical, fumbles the puck, and can’t score. But hey, he doesn’t get injured…
Anywho, Id leave Boods unprotected. Also Hannan. And finally Porter, Koci and Jones. Dr Jones is too injured and coming off an ACL. I like the big bodies of McLeod and Winnik on our bottom lines. They can both fight and score a bit. On our current roster, Jones risks being a third liner, something which he is ill-suited for.
by HeyPeterman on Aug 30, 2010 10:25 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Jones?
Are you insane? A torn ACL is something you can recover from quite well. And regardless of his injury status now, he’s still very young. If I were one of those expansion teams I would be salivating over even being able to take a chance on Jones.
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I haven't had an ACL, but I have had a shoulder (left and right)
and Jones has had both. Once your shoulder is dislocated, its never the same. I would suspect the same is true for an ACL. Lets recap his IR status:
2009/01/27 Missed 4 games (back injury).
2009/04/12 Missed the last 34 games of the regular season (shoulder surgery).
2009/10/12 Missed 4 games (chest injury).
2010/04/24 Missed the last 55 games of the regular season and 6 playoff games (torn left ACL). Shooting leg
Once Jones can prove he can play even 65 games, I’m all in. But until that time, we have several (younger) players who deserve the same 3 yrs he’s had. I love McLeod and Galiardi. I want to give Winnik a chance. So Jones is out.
With an ACL you can have surgery and it’s actually better than ever once you’ve rehabilitated the surrounding muscle. Most of the time you should be more worried about blowing your other knee’s ACL. With Jones, it was a freak accident, so I’m not too worried about the knees.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 30, 2010 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the tip
Maybe I’m just tired of him being on the IR. I’m at the point where I have to see it to believe it with Jones.
Plus, injuries take the invicibility factor away
It happens all the time. You wonder why a guy gets ice time, but never really puts forth 110%. Its called $$$. You get $$$ when you play, not when you’re hurt. We’ve seen it here recently with Svatos and, most notably, Stastny. SoS isn’t dumb, it was a long season with the Olympics, and he’s had enough broken arms blocking shots (1) to realize not everyone is made of Adamantium. It’s entirely possible you’ll see a different David Jones this year – someone who shies away from the scoring areas. I’m just sayin’, don’t be surprised if it happens.
…not everyone is made of Adamantium.
Except Wolverine, Bullseye, Cyber, Lady Deathstrike, Cap’s shield, Ultron, X-23, etc.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 31, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Some of them are a vibranium/adamantium alloy, other’s pure vibranium, and one was steel, I think (the first shield looking one I believe).
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 31, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
knowing that an expansion draft would be known well in advance...
Foote probably would have retired prior to this year or Liles or Cumiskey traded. But seeing that its for fun you have to leave Foote unprotected. Liles is still worth something AND the Avs need him to reach the cap floor
I’d leave Koci, Porter, McLeod, Foote, Budaj and Grahame unprotected.
by Dustin Burfiend on Aug 30, 2010 9:26 AM MDT reply actions
Remember,
Grahame doesn’t need to be protected. He’s played less than 49 NHL games. And on second thought, Foote would probably be a better option for the unprotected D-man. Nobody would want him at this age and even if they took him, he could just retire.
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Grahame has actually played in well over 200 games, and can even remember more than 49 of them.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
We can’t leave any overpaid players unprotected. We wouldn’t be able to hit the cap floor.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
Forwards:
Stastny
Duchene
Hejduk
Gally
Stewie
Mueller
O’Reilly
Jones
Winnik
Defense:
Quincey
Cumiskey
Wilson
Hannan
Foote
Goalies:
Andy
Leaving….
McLeod
Porter
Koci
Liles
Budaj
unprotected. McLeod was a tough choice, and I only picked Winnik because of the trade earlier in the year. Picking Hannan over Liles (queue Dan wigout)…well, Hannan plays tougher minutes, and means more to the D. And Liles’ contract is worse. Sorry Boods.
Liles, as much as I appreciate the effort he put forth late last season, is overpaid. And Hannan was good for most of last season. I think Dan is past his wigging out on Hannan days. And would agree with exposing Liles over Hannan.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Leaving Liles open would be a lot easier for me to handle if one of the new kids looks ready to go after training camp / the beginning of the season. But in that case, I think we’d still get better value trading Liles or another D, maybe for a couple of players, one keeper and another cap eater and then leaving the cap eater open. Worse case you waiver the cap eater after the draft.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 30, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
The problem is that Liles is very hard to trade for any value because of his contract.
I’d leave him out of the protected list because there are way too many players of his skill-set/stature who are either playing now (Cumiskey and for that matter, Quincey for the PP) and those coming up like Elliott, Barrie, Shattenkirk and even Cohen (for the PP). Liles is kind of redundant and might get benched not because he isn’t a pretty good player but because there simply might be someone better than him who plays his same style.
with all the FA goalies, odds are that even if you leave Budaj unprotected the slips through and stays on the avs.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 30, 2010 9:47 AM MDT reply actions
I agree. They only take him for the “solid backup” option and not for the #1 slot. And for an expansion team, I bet they’d try to take as many potential #1s as possible. The odds of them landing a clear #1 are not good in an expansion draft.
by MalachiConstant on Aug 30, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
6 people really need to realize that Budaj is teh suxxors.
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by Brett Shumway on Aug 30, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
How do NMC/NTC’s affect eligibility? Or do they not apply? I would think most teams wouldn’t unprotect most of these players, but wouldn’t it affect Liles? Or perhaps other teams looking to move/get rid of contract baggage?
Other than that my list is about the same as above. There are too many goaltenders out there to a) worry about losing Boods, b) worry about finding a replacement if he were taken.
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I think we’ll be ignoring the NMC / NTC stuff. and also our salary cap floor situation.
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s funny, I think the real Avs are ignoring the salary cap floor situation too.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 30, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We definitely have at least 8 forwards (Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly, Stewart, Jones, Galiardi, Hejduk, and Mueller) who are better than Budaj, so as much as I love the guy, this is a no-brainer. Maybe he can retire and become our goalie coach, I’m pretty sure we haven’t bothered to hire one yet. Porter’s the 9th forward for me, that Hobey Baker gives me hope that he can still become one of the better 3rd-liners in the league.
As for dmen, I’m inclined to leave Foote out as losing him would have the least effect on the ice and I don’t think he’s likely to be nabbed, but it’d break my heart to see him on another team.
I agree. For me, the answer is more about needing to protect those 8 forwards than it is about not wanting to protect Budaj.
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Aug 30, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
The expansion draft in past years certainly didn’t have the NHL games played restriction because the Avalanche used to keep a guy on the roster named Petr Franek. He was “in the system” for at least 10 years for the soul purpose of tossing him on our expansion draft list. I never saw him play but back in the late 90s he was the running joke in Avalanche land.
Here’s the protected list from the 1999 expansion draft:
PROTECTED
Goalie: Patrick Roy.
Defensemen: Greg deVries, Adam Foote, Jon Klemm, Aaron Miller, Sandis Ozolinsh.
Forwards: Adam Deadmarsh, Shean Donovan, Theoren Fleury, Peter Forsberg, Valeri Kamensky, Claude Lemieux, Shjon Podein, Joe Sakic, Stephane Yelle.
AVAILABLE
Goalies: Craig Billington, Petr Franek.
Defensemen: Jeff Buchanan, Michael Gaul, Alexei Gusarov, Sami Helenius, Sylvain Lefebvre, Eric Messier, Cam Russell.
Fowards: Serge Aubin, Chris Dingman, y-Tomi Hirvonen, Dale Hunter, y-Mikael Johansson, Martin Lamarche, y-Tomi Kallio, Christian Matte, Jeff Odgers, Warren Rychel, Rob Shearer.
the last expansion draft had...
ALL first and second year players exempt/protected. That would basically leave Budaj unprotected and whatever players they left unprotected to meet the NHL requirements.
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I choose protecting 15 players over 12.
When can get a comparable goalie to Budaj.
Our strength is in our forwards.
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On Boods
The likelyhood of one of the two teams taking him is ridiculously slim. There are much better pickings from the other back-ups/FA.
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Agreed
For an expansion team, they would want a young stud draft pick, and then a veteran to toe the line for a couple years. 3or4 comes to mind.
This whole thread is kinda moot
at least one goalie left unprotected must have played in at least 10 games last season OR 25 games in the last two seasons combined
Therefore, Budaj must be left exposed, since Grahame hasn’t seen the ice outside of Russia for nigh on 3 years. The 11 people who voted to protect 2 goalies must be taling about protecting Grahame.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 30, 2010 9:56 PM MDT reply actions
There is always some bizarre votes in every poll.
I like Budaj but he is expendable in this hypothetical situation.
Brannigan's Law is like Brannigan's love, hard and fast.
Expendable or not
There is no debate to be had – he MUST be exposed.
On the bright side, I really don’t see him getting picked, unless it’s as a 4th-stringer with someone’s 27th pick. There will surely be 6 better options around the league, with almost every team being forced to follow the 10/25 rule.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 31, 2010 3:24 AM MDT up reply actions
missed that stupid rule. how many teams besides the Islanders are going to be able to do that?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 31, 2010 6:01 AM MDT up reply actions
It really is a dumb rule, isn't it?
Even the Islanders only have DiPietro and Roloson under contract, meaning they will be forced to expose a goalie. The Oilers have Dubnyk, who played in 19 games last year, so they might be the only team to have the option of going with a 2-3-7 formation, but does that men they will choose to?
If all 30 teams don’t go the 1-5-9 route, I’d be very surprised.
The Habs have Sanford, but he only played 19 games in the past 2 seasons.
The Hawks have Crawford, but he hasn’t played nearly enough.
Ditto the Kings with Bernier.
I think this decision is for the Oilers only and as bad as their defence corps is, they’d be foolish to protect only three assets. Especially given that all 29 teams will be exposing their backup goalie (some may even opt for their starter, like Leclaire in Ottawa).
So even for the Oilers it is a no-brainer – expose Khabibulin and Dubnyk and feel safe in the knowledge that neither will get picked up. It’ll come down to the best 6 backups in the league, and maybe a 7th, if one of the celebrity bloggers chooses a 4th.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 31, 2010 6:54 AM MDT up reply actions
It might be worth protecting up Khabi…think of the new skills he’ll be learning in jail.
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Tent City may give him some new perspective.
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