The Workhorse
by Dustin Burfiend on Aug 5, 2010 5:00 AM MDT
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Every season there is a debate about whether it's smart to have a workhorse goalie. Some of the best goaltenders in the league (Martin Brodeur, Miikka Kiprusoff, Evgeni Nabokov, Henrik Lundqvist, etc.) routinely start upwards of 70 games a year. Most of these teams are fairly successful (even the Rangers have made it to the playoffs every season except last since the lockout) but none of those goalies have won a Cup since the lockout. In fact, none of them have even been in a Stanley Cup final. Sure there could be reasons other than fatigue for the lack of playoff success. Brodeur is old, Nabokov has a rep for not being a big game goalie and Lundqvist is on a extremely mediocre team. So to back up my conclusion I decided to take a look at goalies, after the lockout, who started 80% or more of their teams' games and how they fared in the playoffs or if they even made it.
2005-2006: Martin Brodeur - 73, Miikka Kiprusoff - 73, Roberto Luongo - 72, Marty Turco - 67, Alex Auld - 64
This one is pretty clear cut. Luongo and the Panthers and Auld and the Canucks both missed the playoffs all together. Kiprusoff and the Flames were upset by the Anaheim Mighty Ducks and Turco and the Stars were likewise upset by the Colorado Avalanche (heh heh). Broduer was the most successful, advancing to the second round, but was handled easily by the the eventual Stanley Cup winning Carolina Hurricanes. The two goalies that made it to the Cup finals were Dwayne Roloson who started 42 games and Conn Smythe winner Cam Ward who started a meager 25 games during the season.
2006-2007: Martin Broduer - 78, Roberto Luongo - 75, Miikka Kiprusoff - 74, Andrew Raycroft - 71, Henrik Lundqvist - 69, Kari Lehtonen - 66, Dwyane Roloson - 66, Marc-Andre Fleury - 65, Marty Turco - 64
Roloson and his Oilers and Raycroft and his Maple Leafs missed the playoffs all together. Fleury and the Pens, Turco and the Stars, Kiprusoff and the Flames and Lehtonen and the Thrashers were all eliminated in the first round. The last three, Lundqvist with the Rangers, Broduer with the Devils and Luongo with the Canucks were all eliminated without much of a fight from the semi finals. The two goalies that made it to the finals were Ray Emery of the Sens who started 56 and J.S. Giguere who started 53 games. Again, no workhorse goalie performed very well in the playoffs.
2007-2008: Evgeni Nabokov - 77, Martin Broduer - 77, Miikka Kiprusoff - 76, Ryan Miller - 75, Roberto Luongo - 73, Henrik Lundqvist - 72, Tomas Vokoun - 69, Cam Ward - 67, Manny Legace - 65, Vesa Toskala - 64
Yikes. Miller and the Sabres, Vokoun and the Panthers, Ward and the 'Canes, Toskala and Leafs, Luongo and Canucks, Legace and the Blues all missed the playoffs. Broduer and the Devils and Kiprusoff and the Flames lost in the quarter finals. Nabokov and the Sharks and Lundqvist and the Rangers were defeated in the semi finals. The two goalies that made it to the finals were Chris Osgood with the Red Wings who started 40 games and Marc-Andre Fleury who started 33. The was an exceptionally bad year for workhorses with a majority not even making it into the playoffs.
2008-2009: Miikka Kiprusoff - 76, Marty Turco - 74, Niklas Backstrom - 71, Henrik Lundqvist - 70, Cam Ward - 68
Turco and the Stars and Backstrom and the Wild missed the playoffs. Lundqvist and the Rangers and Kiprusoff and the Flames were ousted in the first round. Ward took his Hurricanes all the way the the conference finals but they were swept by the Pens. Chris Osgood and Marc-Andre Fleury made it to the finals again, starting 44 and 61 game respectively.
2009-2010: Martin Brodeur - 76, Jonathan Quick - 72, Miikka Kiprusoff - 72, Henrik Lundqvist - 72, Evgeni Nabokov -71, Craig Anderson - 71, Ilya Bryzgalov - 69, Ryan Miller - 68, Roberto Luongo - 67, Marc-Andre Fleury - 66
Kiprusoff and the Flames and Lundqvist and the Rangers missed the playoffs. Brodeur and the Devils, Quick and the Kings, Anderson and the Avs, Bryzgalov and the Coyotes, Miller and the Sabres all were knocked out in the first round. Luongo and the Canucks and Fleury and Pens lost in the semi finals. Nabokov and the Sharks made it to the conference finals but were swept by the Blackhawks. The two finals goaltenders were the Blackhawk's Antti Niemi who started 35 games and Michael Leighton of the Flyers who started 31.
The results of this were even more damning of the workhorse goalie than I had expected. No goalie who started more than 64 games in the regular season has ever won a conference final game since the lockout! No Cup could be explained away, hell, even no Cup finals appearances, but not one conference finals win? The lack of post season success is alarming enough but Marty Turco and Miikka Kiprusoff are two good examples of formerly great goalies who seem to get worse every year as their starts mount (Kiprusoff was excellent the first half of last year but clearly out of gas during the stretch run). The era of the workhorse goalie is over. Hopefully, Sacco will take my study to heart and keep Anderson's starts in the low 60's. If not, at least I have some evidence to back me up when I start bitching about Anderson getting too many starts again.
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pretty impressive.
and I can’t believe Alex Auld once started 64 games
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 5, 2010 5:54 AM MDT reply actions
And Raycroft started 71
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 5, 2010 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Only 20 that he remembers.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I have no statistical basis for this (because I’m lazy and I don’t let facts interfere with my opinions), but it would seem that the most successful “workhorse” goalies are guys in the middle of their careers. Youngsters, with a few exceptions, cannot maintain the focus for 70+ games, and old farts (read “Brodeur”) don’t have the legs. I really think Brodeur will tail off this year.
We’ve got a few more years with Andy until he needs to be platooned more to keep him fresh. I’d prefer that they keep him in the low to mid 60s now, particularly with the number of shots he saw last year.
Running-dog lackey counter-revolutionary malcontent, Not an expert.
I’d prefer that they keep him in the low to mid 60s now, particularly with the number of shots he saw last year.
I could be wrong, but I believe the number of shots will INCREASE this year, unless they have a player willing to block shots like Clark did. If the Avs continue with the inability to clear the zone problem they had last year, it could get ugly.
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I have a totally different philosophy on Clark. I contend that he actually allowed more shots on goal because of his desire to block shots. He kept a very soft gap on his assignment and rarely challenged the puck carrier and by doing so simply allowed them to shoot the puck more often. I think a lot of people think of blocked shots as Clark coming off his assignment and taking one for the team because someone else got beat. But in reality he allowed a lot of those players to get those shots off and when he did bail out his teammates with a block, he left his assignment alone.
Trust me, Dario, I am not a big fan of Clark, and I have contended that a lot of goals against were squarely on his shoulders. My concern is that the Avs have gotten rid of guys that hit, they have gotten rid of a guy who blocks shots (and it can be argued he wasn’t very good at that- but who else with the Avs does it?), and that they spend far too much time in their own end (TWSS). If they don’t play smarter defensively, have guys willing to play physically by hitting and blocking shots, I thinks the it could be a shooting gallery out there.
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Well, Quincey had 143 blocked shots to Clark’s 162, so he’s no slouch.
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 5, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
No, he isn’t a slouch, hopefully he returns to BMF form as well.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 5, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
is there a way to see if he blocked more shots at the beginning of the season when he was laying fools out or in the second 1/2 when he was a different player (sucking like only a sucker can)?
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 6, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I imagine you could go and do a game by game analysis…
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 6, 2010 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m lazier than you….
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 6, 2010 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually, it was a bitch to even find how many blocked shots he had. I’m sure there was an easier way than I eventually found them (Dater of all places) but mostly all I found were team stats besides Clark’s individual stats. I will look tho…as I have nothing else to do with my time once I’ve applied for jobs. =(
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 6, 2010 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions
what are you looking for?
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 6, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Marketing/PR/Writing/Editing. Would also consider Staff Training/Development. I’m coming off 13 years of teaching/curriculum development and looking to get into the corporate world again
(this question has come up a time or two here, so I’m quoting myself…) I am adding in that I’ll take a teaching job again at this point, tho… HS/MS English or Drama
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 7, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Or private Snowboard tutor for the children of a rich Socialite ;)
"That F******* sandwich had it coming!" -Mike@MHH
Or private Snowboard tutor forthe children ofa rich single Socialite ;)
Fixed
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by Americanario on Aug 7, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok Dustin
You win. You bloody win. I want Andy to play 60 games now.
Jimmy Howard invented the Stanley Cup.
hey Dustin, welcome to the front page
…of NHL.com
The 8th month is the month for Wolskis
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 5, 2010 9:47 AM MDT reply actions
*
*With Bleacher Report and Yardbarker.
(Seriously though, that’s cool)
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by Jibblescribbits on Aug 5, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Nicely done! Congrats…and great article, btw. It illustrates all too clearly that Sacco needs to play Boods more. Period.
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 5, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice article. But to be honest, I could have used a little more Wolski.
I agree that Sacco needs to truly believe in Budaj to the tune of 25 starts or so. And for the love of Roy at least quit playing Andy on both games of b2bs.
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I could have used a little more Wolski.
I find myself chuckling at what must be the reactions of people coming to the site from NHL.com for this article and subsequently wandering around other posts to check shit out…and seeing all this Wolski stuff. hehehehe. Ahhhh, the off season.
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 5, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
you and me both, dear
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 5, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought Wolski was our new back up goaltender when I first read this post. ;)
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Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers. Really Detroit, the only thing I'm jealous about is your marketing dept. When do they go UFA?
I want to see a goalie go 98-0. Is that too much to ask for? I wish I only had to work 98 days a year… Goalies are a bunch of big babies.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Aug 5, 2010 10:36 AM MDT reply actions
comment hijack
The Rockies are in the midst of their worst tailspin in years, and appear headed in the wrong direction.
The Nuggets are about to lose their best player, and are almost certainly on the road to mediocrity. The NBA is headed for a lockout too, it appears.
And now, the Broncos have lost their 3 best players (Marshall, Clady, and now Dumervil) for the upcoming season, and will be lucky to win 4 games. Not mention labor difficulties in that league as well…
I don’t mean to rejoice in the other Colorado sports teams’ misfortunes, but this is an absolutely massive opportunity for the Avs. They’re set up to be the best ticket in town for the foreseeable future…if we avoid a work stoppage in the NHL as well. Incredible.
The Rockies are in the midst of their worst tailspin in years, and appear headed in the wrong direction.
Combined with SF’s winning 15 of their last 20 it has been an enjoyable 3 weeks or so.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
for me anyways
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 5, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
And that’s with Fat Pablo doing pretty much zilch! No homers in 2 months? That’s downright Wolski-esque.
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 5, 2010 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Sucks about Doom. But is Clady really out for the season? I thought he might just miss a month or so? But I could be wrong.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I have a serious question
The symbol for Mile High Hockey is an Avalanche player. Why is there not a number 8 on his chest?
Jimmy Howard invented the Stanley Cup.
haha.
now, actually serious, when do we get a new freaking logo, this one looks like an 8year old drew it. :(
I’m open to ideas, but I have to say I kind of dig it in a cheesy, retro way.
Joe and I have talked about a new logo off and on since pretty much day 1, but we’ve never come up with any ideas that astounded us
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Aug 5, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I have an idea in mind, but I am trying to finish up a painting for a book before I can start a new project. As soon as I get it going I’ll post some stuff here.
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by Americanario on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Fushigi - It floats, it levitates, it will confuse the senses with it's mind-blowing movements.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Aug 5, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Damn, and I was going to do something with Howler and Bernie leading the Burgundy Army.
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by Americanario on Aug 5, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
What a cool picture of a DC-10.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it’s more like a DC-8.
Fushigi - It floats, it levitates, it will confuse the senses with it's mind-blowing movements.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Aug 5, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
It is almost definitely a DC-10, with the only other option being an L-1011, but the tail engine looks more like that of a DC-10. A DC-8 had 4 engines on the wings. I worked for Boeing for 12 years and love airplanes. But not as much as I love your sense of humor.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s not an L-1011. No s-duct.
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Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers. Really Detroit, the only thing I'm jealous about is your marketing dept. When do they go UFA?
Here's a good pic of a DC-10 (NSFW)
http://www.getrealdenver.com/wp-content/photos/DC10_Girls.jpg
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Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers. Really Detroit, the only thing I'm jealous about is your marketing dept. When do they go UFA?
Oh good god I miss seeing the world on Boeing’s dime.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep.
Your 2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Reaching Up to the Cap Floor
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 5, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Intelligent opinion does not follow the transitive property
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Aug 5, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Boeing nerd rage - scintillating
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by Dan Winkler on Aug 5, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve got your scintillating right here.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 6, 2010 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
why do i have the feeling you’re pointing at your crotch.
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 6, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish stewardesses still looked like that...
…instead of the embittered old battleaxes they’ve become. You’re a glorified waitress in the sky, sweetie, deal with your bad career choice and make the skinny guy in front of me move his freaking seat up.
You'll see all your favorite soccer stars. Like Adiaga! Adiaga two! Badiaga! Aruglia! And Pizzoza!
by Dan Winkler on Aug 5, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
just steal jibbles. he won’t know.
Son, when you participate in sporting events - it's not whether you win or lose, it's how drunk you get.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Aug 6, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
this one looks like an 8year old drew it.
Can’t believe I missed this the first time around. The number 8 is all powerful I guess.
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Hockeytown was a marketing invention to draw fans to a team that had less gate than the atlanta thrashers. Really Detroit, the only thing I'm jealous about is your marketing dept. When do they go UFA?
great article and insight
I wonder what the opposite is though? Meaning, how many tandems and goal crease timeshares since the lock out have not enjoyed success either?
Of course, tandems often mean a team already sucks, so maybe their is no correlation…
Aaaannnnnnd GO!
You have nothing to do today. I sense an article! =)
I just like the fights.
by Cheryl Bradley on Aug 5, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
The results of this were even more damning of the workhorse goalie than I had expected. No goalie who started more than 64 games in the regular season has ever won a conference final game since the lockout!
This is why I think we’re seeing teams reallocating their funds beneath the salary cap. Instead of shelling out the big bucks for a workhorse goalie, they are going with a cheaper tandem in net and and either spending more upfront (San Jose) or on the back end (Philadelphia).
Veteran goalies that were hoping to score big this summer (Nabokov, Turco, Theodore) were lowballed and their market value decreased. They and their agents must not have been prepared while other goalies took less for job security (Niitymaki, Budaj, Chris Mason, Auld).
I really hope that Sacco utilizes the capable veteran back up he has in Peter Budaj and gives him a good 20 starts or so to ensure that Anderson is rested.
I have the inclination he will
Last season every game was the most important game ever. He needed points and needed Andy. Now he knows we are good and he has more faith in the team.
Jimmy Howard invented the Stanley Cup.
Fascinating article
A real eye-opener. However, it makes me itch to know whether St Roy had the same issues, or whether he was an exception to that rule (I know, pre-lockout).
If there is another work stoppage in the NHL, I think that it would be disastrous for the league’s new found popularity.
My opinion is worth about what you paid for it: Nothing.
The most games Roy played in a regular season was 68. That was the 93-94 season.
He played more then 63 games three times; 68 games in 93-94 (Montreal), 67 in 91-92 (Montreal) and 65 in 97-98 (Avs).
In 91-92 the Habs were swept in the second round by Boston. In 93-94 the Habs again lost to the Bruins but in the first round. Then in 97-98 the Avs were knocked out in the first round be the Oilers (after the Avs had taken a 3-1 series lead I believe)
In the years Roy led his team to the cup his regular season starts were :47, 62, 61, 62
1985-86 (Habs) 47 starts
1992-93 (Habs) 62 starts
1995-96 (Avs) 61 starts (22 Habs/39 Avs)
2000-01 (Avs) 62 starts
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by Americanario on Aug 6, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
You rock for finding all this.
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 6, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Not hard really, Go to TSN and look at Roy’s stats, then search wikipedia for each season’s Stanley Cup playoffs.
Took 5-10 minutes…..
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by Americanario on Aug 6, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I know it wasn’t hard, but I’m lazy ;)
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 6, 2010 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
…in bed?
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I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Aug 6, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Hardly....
Sandie
"We called him Clark Kent because away from the rink, he was just a nerd. Then he'd go into the Colorado dressing room and put on his Avs jersey, and all of a sudden he was Super Joe"- Theo Fleury
by Sandie Gauthier on Aug 6, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
If you want to do it even faster next time
go to www.hockey-reference.com and type in Patrick Roy in the search tool.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 6, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh and just as an aside
despite the whole “post-lockout” thing… it is possible for goalies to win a cup and start over 80% of their team’s games.
Brodeur has done it twice – (‘99-’00 72 GP, ‘02-’03 73 GP)
Hasek did it in ‘01-’02 with 65 GP
Osgood did it in ‘97-’98 with 64 GP
Richter did it in ‘93-’94 with 68 GP
Fuhr did it in ‘87-’88 with a ridiculous 75 GP
Parent did it in ‘74-’75 with 68 GP and ‘73-’74 with a more impressive 73 GP
There’s lots of reason to think it shouldn’t continue based on the lack of overall success in the playoffs, but it’s going to continue on teams with Marquee goalies making big dollars because of the amount they’re being paid, and the fact that the team’s don’t have adequate backups (largely as a result of the amount they’re being paid).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 6, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
oh and
yes I’m aware some of those were before major expansion had occurred and thus expanded the number of playoff rounds.
But when a goalie plays 70+ games, it doesn’t automatically mean they peter out. Joseph’s years in Toronto and Detroit were largely screwed up in the playoffs as a result of a lack of offense from his teammates, not horrible goaltending… just as an example.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Patrick Roy also led his team to the cup final series in 1989 versus Calgary. Though, the Habs lost that one. Roy played just 48 regular season games that year.
by c0nquistad0rian on Aug 8, 2010 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
The Workhorse
Isn’t this a sexual position as well?
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