Sign the Petition to Retire Steve Moore's # 36 Jersey
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COLORADO AVALANCHE: PLEASE RETIRE STEVE MOORE'S #36 JERSEY
http://www.myonlinepetition.com/petition/478/COLORADO+AVALANCHE%3A+PLEASE+RETIRE+STEVE+MOORE%27S+%2336+JERSEY/
And every time Todd Bertuzzi walks into Pepsi Center, not only will he be showered with the thunderous sound of malicious boos; he will see that #36 hanging from the rafters, hang his head and know that his jersey will never hang in any building...He and his career will be forgotten like a distant cloud from yesterday...But his victim will always be remembered.
We, the fans of the Colorado Avalanche NHL hockey team, petition the team's management and ownership under Josh Kroenke (KSE) to retire the #36 jersey of Steve Moore with ceremony. We feel that for too long the incident of March 8th, 2004 has gone unaddressed by the team and by management; and we feel that we need to honor a man who not only lost his livelihood, but nearly lost his life while wearing an Avalanche jersey. The assault that took place on him on the ice was both dastardly and cowardly; and with the NHL's increased concern over the amount of headshots and cheap shots taking players out of the game, we feel that this ceremony would also serve the purpose of reminding players of the dangers and consequences of reckless sportsmanship. We site other teams, and ones other than pro who have honored players with a jersey retirement ceremony despite their lack of on ice accomplishments. The Steve Moore incident has long been a black-eye for both the organization, and the NHL and we feel that it is time to heal. It is time for the Colorado Avalanche fans and organization to let Steve Moore know that he will never be forgotten. He bled for the Burgundy and Blue…and we will always remember.
**ON A SIDE NOTE: IF THE PETITION ISN'T WORKING PLEASE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH IT AS WELL**
***EDIT: It is safe to say that this idea of mine is extremely unpopular lol. Does anyone have any other ideas on how the Avs organization could honor Steve Moore? Or should he be honored at all?
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Sorry, this just isn’t a proposal I can get behind.
Retiring a players number just to spit in the eye of an opposing player (one that probably only has 4-5 years left in his career anyways) would come off as just a bit petty.
FWIW: Terri Frei has mentioned multiple times that the Team supported the Moore family privately quite a bit I wish they would have done more publicly, but a jersey retirement isn’t what I have in mind at all.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 14, 2011 9:31 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
agree
And signing Brad May was a very public spit in Moore’s eye. Retiring his jersey would be more lame than raising Bourque’s to the rafters. But the Avs should have more publicly supported his case and someone should have beaten the living shit out of Bertuzzi long ago.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 14, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed. Retiring the jersey isn’t appropriate. I wouldn’t mind an unspoken rule in the locker room, though, that nobody ever uses his number again.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 14, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
Again, this isn’t all about Bertuzzi with all do respect. This is about honoring a player that can’t even walk straight because he has permanent vertigo due to post-concussion symptons (For 6 going on 7 years now). I could care less about Bertuzzi or spitting in his eye, I just added that statement for effect but I can see how it could have jeopardized my message though. Sadly, I know that they won’t retire his jersey; heck they wont even honor him…the problem is that Avs’ management didn’t do anything in the first place, and thats what makes this whole Steve Moore thing into an issue that can never and probably will never be solved. Justice was not served. Does anyone have possible ideas for honoring him?
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed. I do not want his number publicly retired; howver, I’d like it if it was “unofficial” retired. Kind of bad mojo.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Jan 14, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry but no
Only numbers that should be retired and hanging will be 77, 33, 19, 21, 52 and 23. Perhaps in another 15-20 years we will add 9, 25, 26, and whatever number Elliott wears. ;)
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Absolutely not. MAYBE a ceremony. I still cringe when I watch the game, but the guy was never anything special, and I wish him the absolute best.
Also, zandar, you can’t go around retiring the number of everyone who played well for your team. Peter Forsberg? Hejduk? Stastny? Don’t get me wrong, I love those guys, but they’re not superstars that deserve to have their numbers retired, imo. (Foppa was a superstar, but just not around long enough. Just like Terrell Davis. Great career, but when it’s cut short, it’s hard to put the same value on it as say a Sakic or Roy.) Footer I may be more sympathetic to, and I can imagine Duchene in 20 years. No to Stewart either.
by swallow the whistle on Jan 14, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Forsberg absolutely will have his number retired. Sakic and Roy may have been more valuable overall to the franchise. But the absolute most amazing player I’ve ever seen wearing the A was Peter Forsberg.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 14, 2011 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, totally agree with the talent level. If they retire 21 I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m sure they frown upon anyone wearing it now which is why no one has since he left. You think PHI and NSH should retire it, as well? (just playing devils advocate)
by swallow the whistle on Jan 14, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
No. And I think it was absurd that we retired Bourque’s number. I’m pretty sure Peter’s played his last game in the NHL. And I’m glad it was back with the Avs.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 14, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much agree with Bob here. Forsberg is probably one of the single most talented players that ever played the game and he deserves to be honored by some team, and that team should obviously be the Avalanche considering he spent 11 of 14 seasons with the franchise.
Agreed, I really hope that we see #23 in the rafters as well… The Silent Hero Hejduk
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
I love the Duke unconditionally, but I just don’t know if he rises to the level of sweater retirement. Nor, for that matter, am I sure about Footer.
The Borque retirement for the Avs is a complete farce.
The discussion of Dutchy, SoS & Stewie is only about a decade or so premature.
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There’s the trouble. If you hang Footer’s or Duke’s you have to hang the other. Retired jersey’s start piling up and nobody wins. Maybe put their jersey’s on the wall or something.
Agreed, Borque retirement = travesty.
by MalachiConstant on Jan 14, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
What I dont understand is why the Avalanche don’t have a “Ring of Fame” like Vancouver does? We have an “Alumni Association” but in reality. what does that mean? A dedicated night? A Painting? How can the fans TRULY connect with that when they go into Pepsi Center. IMO they should have a Ring of Fame… And I for one vote Tyler Arnason as the charter member.
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Tyler is thrilled by your nomination
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 14, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
“Eye of the Tiger”…Survivor practically prophesized Tyler Arnason in that song.
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Ring of fame sort of thing sounds like a great idea. Something in the Grand Atrium at Pepsi Center, like a shrine to past stars, would look sweet
by swallow the whistle on Jan 14, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Yes it would!
Its too bad Pepsi Center is a shrine to the Denver Nuggets (The human sacrifice altar on the top of the escalator dedicated to Carmelo Anthony gave it away)
Remember #36 Steve Moore!!
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
I think Hejduk is a borderline HoFer. To me, even if he doesn’t make it in the HoF, that’s still Sweater retirement material.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 14, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Why are you so against retiring bourque jersey? if it wasn’t officially retired it’s not like anyone would have chosen it…bourque was a major addition and player in the 01 cup run why not retire it show some respect to the guy who finally got to win a cup after all those years
by Braden Lunn on Jan 15, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
That sounds like better rationale for Boston to retire his jersey.
by MalachiConstant on Jan 18, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions
Pierre Turgeon probably would have worn it. THey had to do it.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 18, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
Because he spent years in Boston, and spent less than 100 games with the Avs.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 18, 2011 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
that is exactly right <100 games means he couldn’t have possibly made enough of an impact to warrant a jersey retirement. The Avalanche became a laughingstock for retiring the Bourque jersey.
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Avalanche became a laughingstock for retiring his jersey
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Foppa was around long enough to score 770 points in 589 games for the avs and he’s a HOF’er I think he’ll get his number retired.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
It’s not a out retiring numbers for everyone who plays well… It’s about retiring numbers for players who made an impact on your team and should be remembered. Masking is retired in Vancouver and if Hejduk plays another season he will have similar numbers to him in LESS games. Hunters number is retired by Washington and Hejduk will have better numbers, more cups and all in less games and with one team. Foote may not put up the numbers but he’s been a leader on D for almost the entire time the Avs have been around and Stevens’ number is retired in NJ. Forsberg is self explanatory. Stastny, Duchene, And Stewart all have the ability to make the impact and put up similar numbers to players that have had their numbers retired by other teams. they have the ability to have a similar impact and score more than players like Broten, Graves, Linden, and a few others who have numbers retired. A lot of times really good players aren’t retired because they split time with more than one team and don’t have the chance to make a long lasting impact with the team. The Avs just got lucky to have a starting lineup worth of retireable numbers.
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21 – yes.
23? He’s at least worthy of discussion, but I think he falls just barely short.
77 is a joke.
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23? He’s at least worthy of discussion, but I think he falls just barely short.
-Isn’t Hejduk the all-time leader for games played in an Avs uniform (not franchise). Sakic played 870 of his total 1378 in an Avs uni, Hejudk currently has 877. Foote has 746.
- He is third in games played for the franchise, behind only Sakic and Foote.
- 4th in franchise goals with 349 (3rd is Peter Stastny with 380, 2nd Goulet 456, and 1st Sakic at 625).
- 5th in franchise assists with 389 (just moved ahead of Anton Stastny 384).
- 5th in franchise points at 738 (Forsberg is 4th with 755).
- 3rd in franchise power play goals at 128 (Goulet is 2nd with 146).
- 2nd in franchise game winning goals with 58 (Sakic has 86).
- 5th in franchise multi-point games with (176 before this season).
- In franchise playoff history:
- Tied for 3rd in goals (34)
- 4th in points (76)
- 5th in assists (42)
- 5th in games played (112)
-Has 334 goals since 1999-00, fourth most in the NHL behind Jarome Iginla (397), Marian Hossa (358) and Ilya Kovalchuk (348).
-Was the first Avalanche player to score a tying goal with four seconds or less remaining in regulation since Joe Sakic scored with one second left on Feb. 21, 1997 at Edmonton.
-Became the all-time scoring leader at Pepsi Center (346 points) on Oct. 30 vs. Columbus, passing Joe Sakic (344).
-Has scored more goals at Pepsi Center (167) than any other player since the building opened in 1999…
-Captured the franchise’s first-ever Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy as the NHL’s leading goal scorer in 2002-03
-Has reached the 20-goal mark in 10 consecutive seasons, tied for the second-longest streak in franchise history (Michel Goulet and Peter Stastny), Joe Sakic scored 20 in 11 consecutive seasons (Only Jarome Iginla (11) has a longer active streak of 20-goal seasons in the NHL, Hejduk is one of five players at 10).
-3 time Olympian
-3 time All-star
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by Americanario on Jan 15, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Oh,
and a Cup.
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yeah
Hejduk is a no-brainer in My opinion.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 15, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
77 is a joke.
Really? He is only the all-time leader in defenseman scoring. He was instrumental in winning the second cup for the Avs. One of the most awesome things I can remember about hockey in general is when Sakic handed him the Cup as an Av.
23?
Is this your first season watching the Avs?
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 15, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
I can understand why some people feel it’s a joke that the Avs retired 77. No doubt his number should have been retired by Boston. Ray was one of the best if not the best defenseman in the game. But he only played 128 games (Reg season and playoffs) for the Avs. Yes, he won his only Cup with the Avs and it was a great moment in Hockey history to see him win it, and to see Sakic not even lift the Cup but pass it straight to Ray. But is that really a reason to retire a jersey/number?
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by Americanario on Jan 15, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
It’s not like we are on a slippery slope of number retirement… there are only 3 and 2 of them need dry cleaning.
The Bruins raised his jersey first and then Colorado did if I remember correctly.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 15, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
You don’t remember correctly, if I remember correctly. The Avs raised it first.
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I completely understand Hejduk’s contribution to the team. I am one of those people that feels it’s a “hall of fame” not a “hall of very good”. If you don’t get into the hall of fame, you’re probably not worthy of number retirement. Guys like Sakic, Forsberg, and Roy transcended the game and are well known throughout the league and even the world as uniquely elite players.
Hejduk, Foote, and a number of other people mentioned in this thread do not meet that level of excellence. If Hejduk does somehow get into the hall, I’ll reconsider my position. But even as an individual who has rooted for him for his whole career and owns a Hejduk jersey, I don’t think he’s quite a hall of famer. He’s close, but he’s not quite there.
We need to be aware of how our guys are perceived league-wide, and not just in Denver. And not just on a website dedicated to the Avs and mostly visited by die-hard Avs fans. I think one interesting way to think about it is this: put yourself in the shoes of a 65-year old Canadiens fan visiting the Pepsi center for the first time, and looking up to the rafters. Would you question Sakic’s 19 hanging there? Of course not. Would you be a little miffed if you saw Hejduk’s number? I think you might be. Just something to think about.
To answer your point about Bourque. Of course as a player he’s worthy of any & every accolade he’s ever received. I’m not arguing that. I just don’t agree with honoring a guy who didn’t even play 2 full season’s worth of games with a retired number. I think it’s absurd. His number deservedly hangs in Boston. There’s no valid reason it should hang in Denver.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 18, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
If you don’t get into the hall of fame, you’re probably not worthy of number retirement
First of all, I think a case can be made for Hejduk and Foote as hall of famers (especially Foote).
Second, I take issue with those requirements regardless. If you’re going to make this the requirement, then why not just have a plaque that honors hall of famers.
The Jersey retirement is a separate honor for players who have been important to the team and franchise. The Hall of Fame is an honor for players who were important to the NHL.
By the way, there’s not nearly enough talk of Rob Blake in this thread, a guy who had more overall impact than Ray Bourque for the franchise, a guy who will be in the hall of fame, and a guy who only won a cup after coming here.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 18, 2011 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
And a guy who may have ended Peter Mueller’s career. F you, Rob Blake.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 18, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I enjoyed his time here, Blake is a mercenary. I don’t think I want his number hanging from the rafters. Especially after he cost us Forsberg.
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Yeah
I’m not saying I want it up there, but he was here for 5 years and is a future HoFer. (Although I think he’s more a King than anything)
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 18, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions
It’s not like the keystone cops were in charge of this franchise when they decided to hang Borque’s jersey. I don’t think it was a decision that was taken lightly. As a fan, love seeing it up there.
Do you go to the Pepsi Center and shake your head in disgust when you see 77 hanging there? I don’t see how anyone can really take offense at it.
We need to be aware of how our guys are perceived league-wide, and not just in Denver.
Does this mean Osgood’s jersey will never be raised in Detroit?
But seriously… I think it is more about Denver and diehard Avs fans when it comes to retiring jerseys than what the rest of the NHL fan base thinks. Who gives a shit what some random Habs fan thinks? Maybe he will think “Hejduk who?” go back to his habitat, get on the internet and look up his numbers and say “No wonder his jersey is up there”. Or maybe he will not even care. I don’t know… maybe he is a snobby prick and beats his dog.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jan 18, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Didn’t Foppa play for the Avs longer than Roy? Also if Duke makes the HOF than he can get his number retired, if not…sorry…possibly a ring of fame in the future
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So you think only Hall of Famers deserve to have their jerseys retired?
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
I think jersey retirement should be even MORE special and rare than making the hall of fame. Being an HOF’er shouldn’t automatically make jersey retirement a given.
That’s just, like, my opinion, man.
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no its not the be all end all. I think Foppa should have his number retired regardless of if he makes the HOF…I just think and HOF for Hejduk will solidify his case for a jersey retirement…what has happened is jersey retirements are being used to sell tickets/merchandise…the process needs to me re-legitimized.
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no, but I think jersey retirements should be limited once in a generation type players. As much as love Duke, to me he is not that….he has done a lot for the team, but he has not dominated as much as other players. Early in his career he was dominant, but since Sakic/Foppa left he just hasn’t been the same…to me that says that they made him a star…they transformed him into a league wide name. The Avs were fortunate to have 3 “once in a generation” players on their team Joe, Roy, and Peter. They deserve their numbers retired. If I ever saw another 19/21/33 on the ice I would say “sacrilege”, however if Duke left and somebody else took number 23 ten years down the road…oh well…
Just because a player was a fan favorite does not mean he should have his number retired.
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Kind of like what Liverpool do, every decade they add 2 players that played during that time to their hall of fame.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 14, 2011 10:03 AM MST reply actions
Sorry for the controversial post this beautiful Friday morning in Denver, I should have saved this for Monday LOL. We are playing the Minnesota Wild, so I had to spice things up a bit. LOL!
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 10:20 AM MST reply actions
I wouldn’t apologize for controversy. You laid out your position in a cogent, civil manner. Just because people (including me) disagree with you, you shouldn’t stop expressing controversial opinions in just that way.
You may, however, want to work on your response to:
“Why do you hate the Avalanche?”
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This place lives on controversy. Keep it coming if you can do so without trolling.
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by Busted Twigg on Jan 14, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
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Got handed sweater #36 in camp and got traded for a bag of hunwicks. Maybe don’t hang a banner in the rafters, but don’t give anyone else that number, and a more public demonstration of support/recognition by the organization would be good PR.
And I’d like every Vedic Deity to hurry up and bring Karmic retribution upon bertuzzi ASAP. if I woke up tomorrow morning and read that bertuzzi had been injured in a game, hit by lightning or run over by a bus I would not be in any way sad for that POS.
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by niwotsblessing on Jan 14, 2011 10:46 AM MST reply actions
Whenever Bertuzzi is in town
Everyone on the glass should wear Steve Moore shirts backwards. That way that butthole just sees a sea of 36’s staring at him.
by BraxtanFILM on Jan 14, 2011 12:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
THAT IS A GREAT IDEA!
Remember #36 Steve Moore!!
by TheBrandyBarrelRescueTeam on Jan 14, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
My issue
Is that the retirement of numbers exists to honor those players who contributed in a unique and unparalleled way to the franchise on the ice. This is not the method nor the forum to honor a tragic and deplorable incident.
I think there are better ways to honor him; e.g. wearing a 36 on the sleeve to mark the anniversary of the accident or have a Steve Moore Day. Some event that was both ceremonial and respectful.
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Completely agree
You look up to the rafters in Pepsi Center (not that I ever have) and you smile when you see 77 because you can picture that big grin he had on his face when he finally lifted that cup.
You see 33 and you think hard work, determination and one of the best goaltenders to ever play the game. Very unlikely we’d have those two cups without 33.
You see 19 and you think heart, soul, class and Colorado Avalanche. He was our leader, he was the Avs and hopefully one day he works for them in a set role in the front office.
Putting up 36 would (like everyone has said) bring back some bad memories of that day in Vancouver. I still don’t like Bertuzzi, never will and it’s a damn shame that Moore’s career is over because Bertuzzi saw it fit to do what he did. Part of me even still thinks he should play when Moore next plays, never.
Like c6hor8 said, have a patch on the 10th anniversary or something but leave the retiring of numbers to the legends of the organizations they play for (in this case the Avalanche)
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I would be totally happy with a ‘Steve Moore Night’ where they honor him with a painting or other such nonsense and allow the fans to give him a round of applause—so long as it wasn’t a night where the avalanche were playing against (redacted), I’d not like to see it used as a reminder.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 14, 2011 3:23 PM MST reply actions
Steve Moore...
…didn’t make a sacrifice. He was hit from behind. As I recall, it was a response to a hit that he’d put on Bertuzzi’s linemate. I’m certainly not trying to excuse Bertuzzi, but numbers are retired to celebrate the long-term success of the franchise as a direct result of the player’s dedication to said franchise. Sakic, Roy and Forsberg are picture-perfect examples of numbers that should be retired. Handing out a number retirement to say “sorry you got hit from behind” cheapens the ceremony even beyond Montreal’s newfound habit of retiring every number they can count to. Don’t get me started on Masterton… no, there is no reason to retire Steve Moore’s 36.
As I recall, it was a response to a hit that he’d put on Bertuzzi’s linemate.
Ah, no. It was in revenge for an incident that took place in a previous game, and after Moore had already fought one of the nuck earlier in the same game in which he was injured. In hockey a fight settles the deal. But [name redacted] would not leave well enough alone, chased Moore up the ice and intentionally cross-checked him in the neck and back of the head after knocking him face-first onto the ice. This was a pre-meditated act of assault from behind that has left Steve Moore, years later, still suffering from the aftereffects of the event.
The fact that the Canadian legal system is acting much like the American legal system in stalling [name redacted] legal reckoning is simply shameful. Coupled with the fact that [name redacted] is able to earn a living playing professional hockey on any level in the Western Hemisphere is reprehensible and utterly unacceptable.
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by niwotsblessing on Jan 15, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
The other issue is that the Avs and Nucks had played one other game between Moore’s hit on Naslund and the game in which the “incident” occurred. The Nucks “conveniently” waited until they were in their own barn to seek “justice”
-Moore’s hit on Naslund came during a game on Feb 16th at the Pepsi Center, a game Vancouver won 1-0.
-The teams squared off again on Mar 3rd, again at the Pepsi Center and skated to a 5-5 tie. Naslund and Moore both skated and there were little or no incidents.
-Then on Mar 8th, in Vancouver, in a blow out game “He that shall not be named” decided it was time to get “revenge”.
At 6:36 of the first period (3 seconds after a fight between Worrell and May) Moore dropped the gloves with M. Cooke. There were two other fights in the first period (Blake fought Ruutu and Worrell dropped the gloves a second time with May). The score was 8-2 when “He that shall not be named” decided it was time to take action.
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by Americanario on Jan 15, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Thread should have been locked at 36 comments imo
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jan 14, 2011 8:44 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 15, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
Bourque's number
I agree it was questionable for the Avs to retire his number, but I’d stop short of the “ridiculous” charge that gets leveled at the move. The reason is because, though I’m sure cynics would disagree, the 1 1/2 seasons Bourque spent in an Avalanche jersey was as special and inspiring to the team as any 1 1/2 season stint possibly in the history of competitive sports. I know that seems like a big statement but there’s no question in 2001, it meant something extra for every member of that team to be playing to win Bourque a Stanley Cup, and not just winning it for themselves or their other teammates. So IMO there’s not really a precedent being set with Bourque’s number being retired because a similar situation will not likely happen again.
agree that that team was “special” and in it to win for Ray…but as awesome as Bourque was, he will be remembered as that “great player that won with us”…not “one of the greatest Avalanche players in history”. Joe, Roy, and Foppa will be remembered that way, Footer and Duke unfortunately will not (although if Hejduk makes the HOF an argument can be made for him). That is why 52/23 should not be retired (although they probably will be).
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but as awesome as Bourque was, he will be remembered as that "great player that won with us"…not "one of the greatest Avalanche players in history"
This is the way I think of it too. Also if Bourque has his number retired (and it is) then I think Blake should too. He meant just as much, if not more, to the Avs than Bourque did.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
Damnit
hit the wrong button, that was supposed to be a blockquote.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 16, 2011 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
Foote has been huge for this franchise. His number will be retired. Hejduk has been steadily and quietly a premiere forward in the NHL and will end up with be one of the best Avs in almost all stats categories.
The only thing that hurts these two is that they never put up startling numbers or were overly flashy BUT they have defined what a player at their position should be (Foote as a defensive D and Hejduk as a two way scoring winger) in the NHL. If you don’t think they deserve having their numbers retired, there is a good chance you haven’t been watching them play since the 90’s.
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To say Foote wasn’t one of the greatest Avs defensemen is ridiculous. Who else in franchise history was a better d-man over all those years or more instrumental to the winning of both Cups? Without Foote, I question how successful the team would’ve been.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Jan 16, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
incoming players know that and will never wear 21, 23 & 52 so there is no concern to the team about numbers being out of circulation. There would still be enough open numbers between 1 and 51 to cover almost everyone on their (up to) 50 “contract” roster.
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Do you have to be a hall of fame’er to have your number retired by a team? No, it’s not the same level, I would use the same 5 years out that the HoF uses before you retire a # but you just have to have been a vital contributor to the team.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jan 18, 2011 12:03 PM MST reply actions
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