The Lurker's Guide to the Avs' 2011-12 Season
All week, I've been diving into depth on the 4 areas within the Avs' organization that will have a major effect on the team this year. In case you missed them, I covered the Avs' Offense, Defense, Goalies, and Coaches/Management. Today's article is just barely going to skim over them, so if you want more info, I'd suggest checking those out.
So here we are. The Avs' 2011-12 season starts tomorrow. Peter Forsberg's jersey retirement banner is in the Pepsi Center ready to be raised. The Wings are getting ready to make the trip to the city that housed their greatest rival for over a decade. Skates have been sharpened, patches sewn, sticks taped. The freshly zambonied ice waits patiently for the team's first game.
What sort of an Avalanche team will skate out there tomorrow? The last time the team was on that ice, it was last April - the 10th to be exact. The two bottom teams in the league were facing off one last time. The game was meaningless in the standings, but not for the fans. Adam Foote, one of the greats from the golden years of the Avs, gave them one last rousing shift to cheer about, and David Jones gave them an overtime win to end the worst year in the team's history.
But those moments are gone now, passed into history as all the Avs seasons have before. The 2010-11 season was over, that chapter in the Avs' story closed. The ice was melted and the off-season began.
Over the next few months, the Avs said their goodbyes to lots of players. Adam Foote hung up the skates after 19 seasons in the NHL. John-Michael Liles was traded to Toronto. Goalie prospect Brandon Maxwell's rights were waived. Goaltenders Peter Budaj, Brian Elliott, John Grahame, and Jason Bacashihua left to free-agency, completely cleaning out the depth-chart for that position. Philippe Dupuis, Tomas Fleischmann, David Koci, Ray Macias, Shawn Belle, and others joined them. All told, 9 players that donned the burgundy and blue only a few weeks before were no longer a part of the team.
But the Avs welcomed many new faces into the fold. Left wing Joakim Lindstrom returned from the SEL to sign with the club, and Patrick Bordeleau officially inked with the team that had given him a tryout the year before. Winger Gabriel Landeskog and defenseman Duncan Siemens (along with 4 other bright prospects) joined the organization during the draft. Free-Agency day saw Semyon Varlamov join via a trade with Washington, and over the next few days, goalies Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Cedrick Desjardins, defensemen Jan Hejda and Shane O'Brien, and forwards Chuck Kobasew, Evan Brophey, and Patrick Rissmiller also signed on. 7 new additions will be be on the team opening night.
Losses came to the hockey world this summer as well. Between 3 apparent suicides and a terrible plane crash, over 40 current and former NHL players (including ex-Avs Wade Belak, Ruslan Salei, and Karlis Skrastins) passed away. Training camp finally rolled around to help ease the pain. In Denver, the Avs' veterans returned to the ice, a year older and wiser and looking for the chance to prove that last season was a fluke. Fresh-faced rookies joined them, hoping to impress the coaches enough to earn a spot on the team. All the new signees were there as well, striving to make a good first-impression on their new club. The annual Burgundy and White game showcased the team's talent, including an incredible highlight-reel save by the new starting goalie. Preseason saw some ups and downs as players were evaluated, chemistry formed. Cuts were made. The roster was finalized two days ago.
So what sort of a team will meet the Wings tomorrow night? A very different one from the one last year. Between the new arrivals and the players returning from injury, every area of this team has been altered and improved. The forward corp is as fast and dangerous as they were last year when they led the league in scoring, but now they've been joined by a few new faces and have another year of experience under their belts. The defense looks nothing like last season's - it's bigger and tougher and will be much more effective against the physical Western Conference. The goalies are both new and bring more talent to the table than any duo since Roy left. The organization's depth is better as well - even if injuries strike, quality players will be joining the club instead of career AHLers.
The overall team is young, energetic, and has something to prove to the hockey world and to themselves. They'll be looking to put the past behind them and start moving towards creating a new dynasty in Denver. They won't get there this year (the process will be much longer than that), but some of that foundation will be laid over the next 82 games and perhaps a few in the post-season. There will be ups and there will be downs, but at the end of the day, this season is about moving towards something - something not seen in the Mile High City since 2001.
So what can fans expect this season? Predictions after the jump....
On the Ice
The Avalanche are not going to win the Stanley Cup this year, but they probably won't finish in the bottom 5 either. If they do, something went terribly, terribly wrong and a lot of people will be fired. Our team and our depth charts are strong enough to guarantee that.

Overall, the forwards are very fast and, when they have confidence in themselves, very good at getting the puck in the net. Our top two lines will be switching off the starting role since they are so similar in talent levels. The "first" line includes the returning left winger Peter Meuller, veteran sniper Milan Hejduk, and third year All-Star centerman Matt Duchene. This line is fast, creative, and good at scoring; however, it's not extremely physical (Duchene hits some, but not much) and has a tenancy to get hurt at the worst times. If that injury trend ends this year, it promises to be an extremely effective line. The "second" line will feature set-up man Paul Stastny and David Jones. Even though Jones had a solid season last year (he tied for most goals on the team), Stastny had a very lackluster one and will be looking to rebound. Jones will play on the right wing, but the winger who will play on Stastny's left is still a bit of a mystery. It looks like Joakim Lindstrom (a newcomer that led the SEL in points last year) might have gotten the job, but we'll see for sure tomorrow night.
The third line should also bring a bit of a scoring pop along with a strong defensive presence. Rookie Gabriel Landeskog seems to have developed chemistry with both third year Ryan O'Reilly and fifth year Daniel Winnik. For the past two years, this line has concentrated on a very solid defensive game, but it looks as if the players on it (especially O'Reilly) have been asked to step up their scoring. Expect surprising results from them this year. The make-up of the fourth line is still a bit in question. McClement will start at center, but some combination of TJ Galiardi, Cody McLeod, Chuck Kobasew, and Kevin Porter will join him. Either way, it promises to be a decent checking line that will also play some defense when needed. There will probably even be some goals chipped in from this line as well.
A few other forwards won't be starting with the club this year but may earn call-ups at some point. On the left wing, there's Patrick Bordeleau, a 6'-6" fighter can both hit and score; Ryan Stoa, a big player that unfortunately doesn't play big but isn't extremely terrible; and Greg Mauldin, a fast, energetic scorer. Mark Olver also plays left wing/center, but the pesky forward is currently out with a head injury. At center, the Avs have 2 rookies - the still-concussed 2010 first round pick Joey Hishon and the big-hitting Brad Malone. Once Hishon gets well, he'll probably get a call-up for a few games at least as a left wing, and Malone will be challenging McLeod for his job all year. Third year Brandon Yip will start off the season on the IR (he broke his wrist blocking a shot in preseason), but will probably be either a 4th-liner or sent down once he is cleared to play.
The defense this year is extremely different than the one that started in '10-'11. Instead of being small and offensive, they're positively huge and are possibly the largest group of blueliners in the league. However, the Avs didn't completely sacrifice speed or offensive talent when they acquired the new players; all of them skate pretty well and a couple can certainly score. Erik Johnson has one of the best shots from the point in the NHL, and with newcomer Jan Hejda skating as his partner, he'll be looking to leave his mark on the scoreboard and on anyone that comes near his net. Kyle Quincey will add a bit of offense as well, and so will (hopefully) Matt Hunwick when he isn't sitting on the bench or pressbox. Shane O'Brien and Ryan O'Byrne will keep the other teams honest down around our goalie, and Ryan Wilson will be dishing out the hits like no one's business this year. In the system, puck-moving prospects Stefan Elliott and Tyson Barrie look like they could follow the same trajectory Kevin Shattenkirk did (possibly even without the trade), and hard-hitting Cameron Gaunce and positionally sound Jonas Holos are ready for call-ups as well. Kyle Cumiskey, a starter for the Avs last year, will sit the first few games out due to a groin injury but will probably be sent down to the AHL when he heals. It's become a numbers game, and other players have surpassed the extremely fast 6th year veteran in the depth chart. David Liffiton, the captain of the Avs' AHL affiliate, is also available to fill in if we need him.
In net, Semyon Varlamov will attempt to overcome his history of injuries and establish himself as the true #1 goalie in Colorado. He certainly has the talent to be the best goalie this team has had since Roy, his boyhood idol, but only time will tell if he can remain healthy enough to prove it. Another new goalie, Jean-Sebastien Giguere, will be his back-up and mentor. The former Conn-Smythe winner has struggled due to injury in the past few seasons, but seems to be 100% now. However, if anything happens to them, 26-year-old Cedrick Desjardins (who is currently injured, but will hopefully return soon), will be the first call-up. He has an impressive resume and may be ready to break into the NHL full time in a couple seasons. Trevor Cann will most likely be backing him up for the Lake Erie Monsters this year, but next year, goaltending prospects Calvin Pickard, Sami Aittokallio, Kieran Millan, and Kent Patterson will all be challenging for AHL jobs.
Off the Ice
Head Coach Joe Sacco is in the final year of his contract and most likely on a very short leash this season. After the dismal finish last year that had many fans calling for his firing, the third-year coach will need to prove that he can develop a successful system and get the players to buy into it. Many of them seem to really like the guy, but he has an infamous doghouse and is still an inexperienced coach. He'll probably be fine in a few years, but the Avs may be looking for a change much sooner than that if things don't turn around.
He'll be assisted by two former Avs: Sylvain Lefebvre and Adam Deadmarsh. Lefebvre has been working with Sacco since his time in Lake Erie 5 seasons ago, but Deadmarsh was promoted only this summer. He had been the Avs' video coach prior to that.
Kirk McLean will return as the Avs' part-time goalie coach. Even though it still worries many fans that the Avs only have a goalie coach there some of the time, McLean had an impressive NHL career and is better than no goalie coach at all. But hopefully he, or some other competent individual, is brought on full-time soon for the sake of the 23-year-old goalie we'll be relying on for the next few years.
Pierre Lacroix, the legendary GM from the Avs golden days, is still in the front office as the President, and Greg Sherman is still the GM. "Super Joe" Sakic will join them as an Executive Advisor, and Brad Smith, the Director of Player Personnel will return as well. This management is a bit unortodox since the GM is more of a businessman than a hockey player, but Smith and Lacroix know how to evaluate talent and Sakic knows which players it takes to win championships. All four of them will leave their marks on any trade that the Avs preform this year.
Speaking of trades, I can almost guarantee that the Avs aren't quite done with the big trades yet. The ones this year may not be as massive as the two biggest over the past 9 months (the Johnson and Varlamov deals), but they'll certainly send waves through the hockey community. Even though the depth of wings was addressed this summer to a point, it is still the weakest area on the team, particularly with regards to the Top 6. On the other hand, the Avs are completely backlogged on D - there needs to be some movement either of prospects or roster players to make room for all of them. And the Avs are currently without a first round draft pick next year. They may have 1 or 2 in the second round depending on whether Washington chooses to use it this year or next, but given the depth of the 2012 draft and the success the Avs have had at drafting in the past few years, it's not inconceivable that they may make a play that involves getting some picks.
Another thing to keep in mind for this coming off-season is the end of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) between the NHL management and its players. There is talk that the salary cap might fall, which could force a slew of quality free-agents onto the market this summer. The Avs are uniquely positioned to take advantage of that since 65% of their players are in the final year of the their contracts and could easily be replaced with upgrades. They also have a very low current salary (lowest in the league), so even with player signings, they would still have a considerable amount of salary left to go shopping.
But even if they choose not to hit the market this summer, they'll still have a number of contracts to renew including Duchene's, Johnson's and O'Reilly's. Some fans believe that the owners, Stan and Josh Kroenke (heirs to the Walmart fortune), might try to be cheap when it comes to the new contracts, but these owners are businessmen. They know when to invest. For the past few years, the organization's been working on establishing the young core and evaluating players. This summer is the time to start putting some money towards the investments (players) that will turn a profit in the years to come. I will eat my words and grab a torch and pitchfork with the rest of the fanbase if the Avs do go the cheap route with contract renwals this summer, but I'm confident that the important ones will be taken care of. It's just good business.
Other Issues:
Injuries played a major role in the past two seasons, last year especially. The Avs lost a whopping 474 man-games to injury last season, which was the second worst total in the league. However, since the end of the year, they've replaced the seamless glass at the Pepsi Center with the more traditional style, which will allow the boards to absorb more of the force from hits and hopefully protect the players (more on that here). They've also, as mentioned before, increased the size of their blueliners. The entire team got pushed around a lot last year - the ability to push back this season will hopefully help reduce the number of nasty hits the forwards and defensemen sustain. Many players also worked on their strength and durability over the off-season, so with any luck, the Avs will endure only an average number of man-games-lost this time around. If they do, there is a very good chance that they could be playoff-bound this year.
Another issue is the current lack of a Captain. Arguments can be made for Hejduk, Stastny, Johnson, Duchene, O'Reilly, and Landeskog, but none of them really stand out head-and-shoulders above the rest. Sacco and Co. have decided to used 3 rotating A's until they make their choice. Chances are good the C will be handed out sometime this year, but it's still anyone's guess on who will receive it. By next season, the Avs will have their Captain in place, but until then, get used to seeing a few more A's than usual on the front of the jerseys.
Summing It All Up:
The Avs have a pretty decent team this year. It may not be immediately apparent, but once you break down the off-season moves, this team is much better than most "experts" are giving it credit for. Yes, there are more "ifs" associated with this team than perhaps any other in the league. If the Avs can stay healthy, if their major players (like Duchene, Stastny, Johnson, and Varlamov) have big years, if the new players gel with the rest of the team, if everyone that's in a contract year actually plays to keep their job, and if their new defense is as good as it looks on paper, then the Avs will be a playoff team. If not, they'll be back to lottery land and shipping their pick over to Washington. However, like I mentioned before, with the organizational depth the Avs now enjoy, I doubt any pick headed to the Caps will be in the top 5 unless something goes terribly wrong. Instead, I expect this team to finish somewhere around #15 in the standings as a bubble team. They probably won't make it past the first round even if they do make the playoffs, but getting at least close to the post-season is a major step in the right direction.
There will be trades, but they probably won't be for the big-name players like Parise or Weber. To get established players like that, the price is extremely steep from a roster standpoint. Instead, judging by the Avs' recent track record, they'll be looking at acquiring young players that are undervalued for some reason, usually due to bad team situations, injuries, or a combination of both. They don't want the big players now - they want them to be hitting their prime 3 years from now when the team is very competitive again. As much as I would love to see Parise in an Avs uniform, I don't think it's going to happen, although I can see the team taking a risk on a player that could be an 80+ point winger a few years down the line.
Maybe it's the prospect of a new hockey season is making me unreasonably optimistic. Maybe my blatant homerism is coloring how I see things, but I really think this season will be a good one. Not a great one, but a stepping stone along the way to getting there. The Avs organization is headed in the right direction - they know what they takes to win the Cup and they're building their team accordingly. All Avs fans can do right now is be patient and enjoy the ride. It might be bumpy, but it's headed to a good place.
And on that high note...
IT'S HOCKEY SEASON, BABY!
LET'S GO AVS!!!!!
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So...
I watched the Toronto game last night. So weird watching Johnny Hotpocket wearing the Maple Leaf, wearing 24.
Also, and more importantly, BRING ON THE WINGS!
How did he look?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Oct 7, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m curious about that too, I have directv so I don’t get versus (or whatever they call it now) I imagine he was out there with the 1st PP.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I got Versus on DirecTV. Channel 603. I must not be part of your package.
In Sherman we trust
by Busted Twigg on Oct 7, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
not unless they are broadcasting a black screen
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
You might check whether the package you are paying for includes Versus. I don’t think it’s on the basic bundle.
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by Busted Twigg on Oct 7, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Looked OK.
Got to be honest and say that the weirdest part was seeing him out there with Phandouche (sp). Had a few crisp passes that resulted in clean offensive rushes for the Leafs, particularly Kessel IIRC.
Heads up play forced montreal to take a too many men penalty as well, which led to a 5 on 3 that looked, frankly, cuddly, when compared to their buzzing power play.
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Oct 7, 2011 2:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Can’t wait to get on the plane tonight and start my pilgrimage to the Holy Land pf Denver. Then tomorrow I can visit that most holy site…the home of Sakic…The Can.
Joe Sakic is Lord and Holwer is his prophet. Blessed be his disciples Forsberg, Foote and Roy.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
Indeed!
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Oct 7, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
The best part about this TLDR post is the new logo.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I read every word, and it was awesome.
Mile High Hockey: A lot more fun to watch than the Avalanche.
Really? Cause I thought it was my witty comments. Some of them even have to do with hockey.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder who would be that 80+ point getter the Avs might take a gamble on. Other then Parise I don’t know anyone else available. I guess Semin. Jagr and Selanne might be guys who can but wont be available. The next best bet would be Boyes or we go after a person with multi years or are UFA eligible next year, which is a possibility.
I agree 100%. I just dont think there is really a viable scoring option for SOS wing. Parise would be great but I don’t hold my breath on it
I actually have begun to disagree. Semin Is relied upon in WAS to score and lead. I wonder if he would be brought here to compliment Duchene/SoS and nothing more. If pressure is off him and the Avs see drive in him like they did in Mueller, it could happen. I am still mulling it.
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by c6hor8 on Oct 7, 2011 9:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, if Semin was brought in, it would be for the O, he’d put up a metric shit ton of points.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Why would the Caps
trade Semin?
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Because Hishon and Barrie would be going back the other way (on the condition that Semin signs with the avs).
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I just see
the Caps going all in this year in winning the cup… I could see this deal happening next off season or next year but Washington is way to good to trade away their second best scorer fr 2 prospects
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
probably right.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I mean Semin is a sick player
I’d love to see him in an Avs uni, I just think Washington is one of the last teams to be calling for a top 6 forward
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Ales Hemsky
Rick Nash (probably not gonna happen but doesn’t hurt to persue it), Shane Doan (after PHX takes a terrible fall from last year), maybe Mike Ribeiro. Idk there aren’t a lot out there that seem realistic but you never know what could happen. Pitt had Malkin on the block just a couple years ago and no one knows who the next Illya Kovalchuck or Marian Hossa will be… my guess is Danny Heatly fills that slot or Marion Gaberik if New York has an epic fail this year which they probably wont.
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Any of those three please.
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
yea Louie E is sick
but like Cole said, I’d take any of em
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i’d rank em
1. Benn
2. Louie
3. Ribeiro
4. Raycroft
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
really?
i think Louie might have Benn beat by a smidge
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right now yes…. two years from now, i doubt it
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
True
Benn is only 22. However you could make the samer arguement everyone is with me about Claude Giroux. But i guess we’ll see. Both Giroux and Benn had nice opening night games.
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Where is the old logo?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
Yeah, I liked Poppins in the coke.
In Sherman we trust
by Busted Twigg on Oct 7, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m feeling retro.
Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the lawn defenders should start a thread and talk about how good it was back in the old days.
In Sherman we trust
by Busted Twigg on Oct 7, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
you had knives? We had to use our teeth, and walked uphill both ways.
Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
You had legs? Our parents took our legs to use as kindling.
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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
You had death? We begged for it, but our parents said we had to wait until Christmas.
Rawr Rawr Rawr, no one understands you, she-bear
You had Forsberg? We had a Datsyuk and a daily porcupine enema.
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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
…and when there was no meat, we ate fowl and when there was no fowl, we ate crawdad and when there was no crawdad to be found, we ate sand
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by Busted Twigg on Oct 7, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
You had stuff? We had to wait for the earth to be formed.
Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
The new logo sucks.
i2 died, I'm his replacement.
This signature sucks.
by Tony Trujillo on Oct 7, 2011 9:44 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve rec’d this and the pro-logo. Why? Because I’m a fickle fan.
Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I love the new logo and the old logo!
The Colorado Avalanche: 2012 Cup Champions Until They Ain't!
by burgundyRainbow on Oct 7, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Are Kobseau and porter really the scratches @ forward?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions
If so, things continue to get curiouser and curiouser. Lindstrom on Stastny’s wing again?
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I never believed kobasuck was on that line anyway, lando or lindstrom all along.
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
You’d better start believing, because all indications point to not only Koby skating on the 2nd line, but also on the point of the 2nd PP unit.
by DiD on Oct 7, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I only got to see him play in one game and he was ‘meh’ but if he can play like he did for Calgary and Boston he’ll fit in there. If.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Cumiskey on waivers
LANDESKOG!!!!!
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 10:15 AM MDT reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
MIN’s Eric Nystrom clears waivers. COL puts Kyle Cumiskey on waivers. MTL puts Joe Callahan on waivers for purposes of signing to a contract
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 10:24 AM MDT reply actions
He’ll clear, it will be reentry where someone will take him. No one knows if he can play yet.
Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Guessing we want him gone? We could’ve started him in the AHL otherwise, right?
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by MalachiConstant on Oct 7, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
couldnt move him until now because of his injury
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by Cole D Hamilton on Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Mysteriously his injury got better the day after the regular season started.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Oct 7, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Unless
the Avs fork up some money, dig deep and buy a top 6 scorer from a shit team or a team looking to rebuild, then I think they will struggle. The only real reliable guy on this roster to score is Duchene and he’s more of lay maker than anything. Mueller is still not up to speed, Duke is getting close to the geriatric stage in hockey years, Staz is a spaz who just sucks in my opinion, Kobasew sucks, Landy could be that guy but he’s a rook, Jones is a hard worker but I wouldn’t want him being my go to goal scorer, he’s a great 5th or 6th option on a GOOD team. Bring in Ales Hemsky to play wing with Staz and Landy, move Jones in the deal and if you keep him put him in Landy’s spot on the 3rd line and then we will be talking. Until then I just see this team having a hard time trying to put the biscuit in the bascket
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look below you
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
hahaha
=)
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
There’s the "Man’ opressing you again.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't want to come accross as trolling
and I ill take back saying Staz sucks but he’s justy an average hockey player who does everything on the ice in an ugly fashion and just is not a reliable scorer. When I say reliable scorer i mean freaks like Giroux in Philly and Neal in Pitt, Marchant in Boston. These young guys that come out from no where who skate a million miles an hour and just make plays. I think Giroux could beat Staz in a race skating backwords. The dude can fly. So that’s where I am getting at.
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
also
I type fast and don’t edit my work so forgive my horrid spelling
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
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I hear you. Don’t be too quick to add Neal to that list. He netted one last night, but that was only his 2nd goal in 21 games with Pittsburgh. He’ll probably get back to form, but you never know.
Honestly
I think that guy is going to be unreal. The first play of the game where he cought the pass backwards, stayed onside, then made the backhand no look pass to his linemate who whiffed the shot was just awesome. He has raw talent. If I were the Avs I would add him in a heart beat. I just get so frustrated at the fact that so many teams trying to win would give anything for just a little more cap room and the Avs have gobs of it and the fact that they very well could put together a much better team than currently constructed just drives me crazy. They are taking the Mumfort approach in which it is strictly business. Disgusts me. But hey, maybe they will prove me wrong. I just don;t know where Josh Kronkes head is at and it seems as if Stan has his eyes elsewhere. Frustrating.
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 7, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Josh Kroenke probably doesn’t have control of the Avs yet….and even if he does he’s probably cry in the closet that he doesn’t have the nuggets around to keep him busy.
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by Americanario on Oct 7, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Stastny.
Average.
How?
Stats has averaged .92 points per game. Highest point total 79.
Giroux has averaged .72 points per game. Highest point total 76
Neal has averaged .59 points per game. Highest point total 64.
Marchand has averaged .44 points per game. Highest point total.. 41.
To say that Stastny is vastly underrated would be to underrate……. what I’m saying.
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by Dario on Oct 7, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Number of season’s, combined, in which any of those three players have scored more points than Stastny’s worst full season. (Neal’s 64 and Giroux’s 76)
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 7, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Would the Avs go the other way? Probably not.
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by MalachiConstant on Oct 7, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Giroux and a few firsts, then maybe the Avs would consider it. I think you are selling Stats short. Luckily Sherman knows his value.
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by burgundyRainbow on Oct 7, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
holy cow!
Honestly put the homerism aside please
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This is where MHH memes get people confused.
BR doesn’t know what homerism means, he’s convinced it’s a made up word.
I'll keep this brief.
No one said who was better. The question was “consistent scorer” and Giroux hasn’t had eough seasons to be “consistent” yet.
I love Giroux, he’s great. But he hasn’t had the time, or teams, on which he could conceivably struggle like Stats has…
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 7, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
The original guy said Stazz sucks, and then I saw Giroux thrown in that mix.
Yes or no: You’re the GM of the Avs. The Flyers offer you Giroux for Stats. Do you accept the trade or not?
by DiD on Oct 7, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
please
are we goin go really even debate this. Giroux for stas is a joke, anybody would make that trade. Plus, Philly would never do it so that’s that.
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Honestly, it would depend on who we would get to replace Stats at center. We need killer wingers, sure, but our biggest strength is our center corps. I just wouldnt want to break that down without being sure.
In terms of straight across players… Yeah, I probably would, but you can’t really look at that without all the other BS involved with a trade.
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I’d take the deal only because the Avs have O’Reilly/Hishon for depth at center and Giroux is 3 years younger and has shown signs that he could be a nice goal scorer.
However, the mighty Giroux did only score three more goals than Stats last year despite Stastny having a poor year (for him apparently!) and playing on a dog butt team. In a vacuum where the Avs would lose a center to gain a wing and if both players were the same age? No, I would not trade Stastny for Giroux.
I'll keep this brief.
No, I would not trade Stastny for Giroux.
Plus, didn’t Svatos beat that guy up?
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There’s not a gm in league who wouldn’t make that trade in second. For one, 6.6M a year is too much for stas. When he played with greta players of course he put up points. He’s talented and I like him but his real problem is that’s he a pussy. Anybody with a pulse can just throw him off the puck. There’s no edge with him. Giroux was the best player on the ice last night IMO and I watched the whole game. Marchand looked good too but he palys with grit.
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
You two are the yin to my yang.
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by burgundyRainbow on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Just watch tomorrow nights game
I bet Stats get knocked off the puck more than he has shots on net. Again, I shouldn’t have said Stats sucks because anyone who can put up a 79 point season in the NHL does not suck, but it doesn’t mean he can score a goal either.
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every gm and player in the league knows that already. Stas is a playmaker and he will do best with tough, strong,snipers on the wings who are shooters. That’s why Lando should be there, not Kobasuck. That’s also why stewart left a huge void, we have not 1 tough top 6 forward right now and even if Lando is that guy he’s an 18 yr old rookie, so lots to ask. That’s also why Shane Doan would be a great fit for this team (i.e- no one is captain? he would be the pick automatically if he was here and provide great leadership for a young team.
I’ll bet anybody on this thread Giroux will put up 75 points as now he is first line on PP, etc.
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ll bet anybody on this thread Giroux will put up 75 points as now he is first line on PP, etc.
Pfffft, that’s an easy bet to make. Now, if you’d offer something along the lines of TJ Hensick scoring 50 points with the Blues, then we can talk.
by DiD on Oct 7, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree but if I said 90 people would have been breaking their keyboards. How about Chucky at 35 points???
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go ahead and say
85 points is not out of question for Giroux. Philly has a nice team around him
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the avs haven’t had SoS kill penalties since he took that puck off his arm during the season that wasn’t.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
exactly
I meantioned Doan in an earlier post he would be a great fit as well. I think Doan would be more productive and Duchene than Stats tho.
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75 points on the first line and first line PP is not what you would expect from such a terrific player. Shoudln’t you expect him to be at least a point per game player? I am not sure I would make that trade, just because Stats played with some pretty iffy players and Giroux has played with some very good players. But I would have to see things a bit more before I would reject it.
Giroux
is a few years younger this will be his 35 goal season.
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but it doesn’t mean he can score a goal either.
Well, they weren’t all assists. So, while technically true, it’s a pretty silly thing to say.
He scores shit goals
nothing wrong with it you need guys to bang down low and clean up rebounds but as far as making a move or placing the puck with a fast and strong shot… no.
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He just doesn't impress me
everyone is all over his gonads cuz they think he is some amazing hockey player. He is a 4 mil a year guy at best who should be a second line center surrounded by a sniper and a power forward. I guess you could maybe call Jones a sniper? idk but all I am saying is Stats is not a goal scorer hes a point producing player.
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I think the word you are looking for is hateboner.
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Love it. Well hate the hateboner, fearboners are alright and yea ill stop there.
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 8, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Stastny hate is nuts
Why bother justifying?
He’s a top center.
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by Paul X on Oct 7, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t need to see your post again. This is a debate. Not a “I win” read it again thread. If you’re looking for that see the official boards at coloradoavalanche.com.
I'll keep this brief.
ok, IMO any GM in league would trade stas for giroux
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Let me say this
Stats is not a bad player nor does he suck, i simply don’t like him as a hockey player. Anyways, Stats may be a better player than Giroux, Neal and Marchand right now, just keep in mind all 3 players I meantioned are younger tha Stats and have room to grow. Look at this carefully before everyone jumps my gun again because only one person cought this the first time. The Avs need a go to goal scorer. A freak who you can rely on to put the puck in the net. Stats is a good hockey player and a good play maker but he is not that. Giroux will be, Neal already has and don’t count out his 24 goal rookie year and 27 goal sophmore campaign. Marchand eh maybe that was a stretch. But I just don’t see a reliable goal scorer. Duchene, yes but his game is better suited to be the wingman to a go to scorer. Everyone wants Duchene to get a 90 point season? Give him another scorer that isn’t recovering from missing an entire year and who isn’t 36 years old. That is all I’m saying. If you could put Giroux and Duchene on the same line together, it would be one of the fastest and hardest lines to defend in the NHL… especially if you could have a vet sniper shadowing them like Duke.
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Stastny is only 25, he hasn’t even hit his prime yet BTW.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
true
We’ll see, maybe this so called muscle he gained this year will get him closer to the 30 goal mark that we need as our second best offensive threat.
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MArchand went from unheralded to completely overrated in exactly one playoff run. Neal is Kobasew 3 years ago.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 7, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Disagree
on Neal
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Neal hasn’t been very good since his rookie year. He’s got flash in the pan all over him. I mean he might be a serviceable NHLer here, but I just don’t see him ever being “better” than Stastny.
Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 7, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Joe Juneau had 32goals and 102 points his first full year in the league, and never saw that many again the rest of his career. Sometimes players (Neal) never hit it again.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
what makes you think this will be Neal
I think he will have 30+ goals this year to be honest.
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because he started hot and has fizzled, dallas gave up on him. and he scored 1 goal with pittsburgh last year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 AM MDT up reply actions
and he has scored
1 goal with Pitt this year… in 1 game. Lol i mean your opinion is rightfully yours my friend I am just going to respectfully disagree.
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 8, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Neal's best goal scoring year
was his sophmore year when he had 27
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as was joe juneau’s.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess we shall see
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by NastyNessy71 on Oct 8, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
How can you invoke Neal in this conversation? He scored 1 goal for Pitt last year!!!!!! How is that a reliable scorer? As soon as I read that, I quit reading, sorry.
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Athletic ability
I saw Neal do things on one shift that I have never seen Stats do in his entire career.
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alexander daigle had some awesome athletic ability…. that showed up how often on the score sheet?
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Neal has
a 24 goal rookie year and a 27 goal sophmore campaign to back up my claim. Its not like last night was his first game.
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and stats had a 78 point rookie campaign followed by a 71 point season in which he missed 16 games.
Its fine if you dont like stastny but youre argument doesnt make a whole heck of a lot of sense.
Have another donut!
go and read mor carfully please
Stats is a better play maker yes he is great. The Avs do not have a go to reliable young goal scorer. Stats is not that at all he just isn’t sorry but he’s not a goal scorer. Neal is a goal scorer. If you were to put him or Giroux with Duchene and Duke then Duchene will get the 90 points everyone wants him to get.
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i dont think of stastny as a pure goal scorer, that is why i am confused by the argument.
you are right, when i look at the roster for the avs i dont see a real bona fide goal scoring machine.
Have another donut!
All I am saying is
Until the Avs replace Chuck Kobasew with a legit goal scorer then I don’t see this team doing much. That is all. Then i said Stats sucks which he doesn’t that was wrong to say but he’s not the player that a lot of people think he is.
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Jones isn’t my favorite av, but he’s good for 20-30 this year*
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*if he stays heathy
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Let just hope Landy surprises all and scores the 27 goals we gave St. Louis in Chris Stewart
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Which is why they traded Stewart in the first place. They knew they were in on one of the first 3 picks at that time.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
top 3 pick
doesn’t mean your gonna get a 27 goal scorer. They almost took Larsson over Landy. I sure hope Landy does get in the 20’s this year. I think he has the skill set to be awesome
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Seems to me you could buy a real good goal scorer with all that cap space. Sure could.
by spokane-avs-fan on Oct 7, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
You failed to mention his 57 point season on a team that wasn’t that bad offensively last season, no matter how dog butt the team was.
by DiD on Oct 7, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 7, 2011 10:49 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
thank you.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
The Avalanche are not going to win the Stanley Cup this year
Sorry, you lost me here.
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by burgundyRainbow on Oct 7, 2011 10:57 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
156 point regular season, first round exit.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 7, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Your math is a little off. 2*82=164. Just kidding. I think that they’ll end up with around 118 points in the regular season. I’m trying to be realistic here.
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by burgundyRainbow on Oct 7, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh, I was thinking they just don’t play well in Vancouver and I can see Calgary taking one of their home games.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 7, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Where might they take it? To Edmonton?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 7, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Where is our prediction thread like what we had last year?
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I think this opens up the door for Elliot to be back rather soon, whether by injury or need. They need some offense from the D that’s for sure. Trying to think who sucks who we might be able to get a player from. They should go after Parise now, because NJ will trade him at deadline if they don’t have him re-signed by then. 5 years at 6.5/year. He would be a perfect fit. Doan would be nice too, but get them now so they can help this season. They have about a trillion to spend so that’s no issue.
What, Jones, Hishon, and Barrie for Parise? What else can we really offer?
I really don’t know what Jersey needs out there. Actually, if I would guess, it would probably take Jones, O’Reilly, and Barrie/Elliott. Parise would be the most sought-after guy at the deadline, and a ton of teams would be willing to throw the bank at NJ just for a chance to have him on the team.
I would rather just try to sign him during the off-season; throw a ton of money at him when his contract is up and see what happens. If we do well this year, he might actually want to come here.
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I agree it would be nice to get him as a FA, but I’m afraid if he gets to pick and the money out there fwould make it tough. If we trade for him, maybe they can sign him as they will have the oppportunity for a few months or even better a trade where he agrees to a new contract as part of it. Jones could go as he would be expendable anyway, throw in Barrie, maybe Pickard (Marty is 39 years old). It would be aggresive but a huge shot in the ass to the team and fan base. NJ has cap issues so they would want to get young guys anyway.
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think that Jones, Barrie, and Pickard would be enough to compete with what other teams would be offering. I think that a team like the Jets, with an obvious thirst to prove themselves, might mortgage the farm just to lure a superstar there to add respectability.
We could certainly offer up for Parise with that package, but I doubt that NJ would be inclined to take it.
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throw in Hishon
If they keep stas, duchene and ROR we are set at center anyway and they don’t need a 170lb wing, they need a power forward so he’s expendable too (just like Rambo)
Jets have nothing to give up that wouldn’t make it wash for them, Kane, picks?
by the cool breeze on Oct 7, 2011 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions
They’d want Elliott over Barrie, and for Parise I’d do it.
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