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Oilers at Avalanche Recap: Avs Finally Have an OD, Win 5-2

 




The Colorado Avalanche have had trouble scoring lately, especially on home ice. Only 4 forwards have more than one goal at the Pepsi Center this year. Three of those players - Matt Duchene, Paul Stastny and Milan Hejdyuk - were thrown together on one mostly ineffective line tonight. Turns out, the Avs were able to go to a different well for a change with 3 goals by defensemen - Shane O'Brien, Jan Hejda and, in his first NHL game, Stefan Elliott.

First Period

The first period had a lot of shots (25 total) but not a lot of sustained action. The two goals that were scored were of the quirky variety. Edmonton opened up the scoring first. Shane O'Brien's bad pass out of the zone was picked off by Sam Gagner. Gagner drove hard and wide of the net and Semyon Varlamov got caught following a little to far out of the net. He got tangled up first with Ryan Jones and then O'Brien and couldn't get back into his crease before Gagner gave Ladislav Smid the puck with a wide open net to shoot at.

That could have been a devastating goal to the psyche of the young Avs, but they got it back fairly quickly. Ryan Wilson laid a monster hit on Taylor Hall in the corner. Hall appeared to try to use his left arm to cushion the blow against the glass and came up hurt. Meanwhile, Matt Duchene started the play up the other way quickly and the Oilers got caught in a bad change (and Theo Peckham was busy trying to goad Wilson into a fight). Chuck Kobasew and Jay McClement ended up with a two on one. Kobasew was stoned on his bid for career goal #100 but McClement was there to bang home the rebound.

Not much else happened of note. Hall did come back, but after taking what appeared to be a relatively mild - easy for me to say - cross check to that same arm by Quincy, he was done for the night.

EDM 1 goal, 14 shots COL 1 goal, 11 shots

2nd Period

Edmonton made it 2-1 early in the second when Jan Hejda failed to keep the puck in at the left point. Sam Gagner made a good play along the boards and the Oilers got a quick 3 on 2 break leading to a goal by Jones (arguably the best Oiler player tonight).

Each team had a PP but didn't convert. Oh, and Ryan Smyth tried that no-look shot he scored a goal on a few years back with the Avs (I think it was against Phoenix) but it didn't work. (Which is good, because my TV would have a remote-sized hole in it if it did).

EDM 1 goal, 9 shots COL 0 goals, 7 shots

3rd Period

Oilers goalie Devan Dubnyk was 3-0-1 with 1.47 GAA against the Avs going into tonight's game and it looked like he was on his way to dominating once again. But the Avs finally found a way to beat him: shoot from the point.

The festivities started relatively early, when Chuck Kobasew was hauled down by Ryan Whitney on a breakaway. With about 30 seconds to go in that PP, Jeff Petry took an ill-advised slashing penalty giving the Avs a quick 5-on-3. It wasn't pretty - the Avs looked confused and had trouble even getting the puck into the zone and the boos began to float down from the rafters. But, with another PP kitten just a few seconds away from losing its life (old meme reference), Shane O'Brien's wrister from the point found paydirt for his first goal in an Avalanche unipron.

Two minutes later, it was Elliot's turn. Ryan O'Reilly won a key offensive zone draw and pushed it back to Elliott on the point. Elliott walked the blueline and fired a right-handed wrister that deflected past a screened Dubnyk. How anyone screens a 6'6" goalie is beyond my level of comprehension, but apparently miracles do happen. Regardless, Elliott's first NHL goal was a big one. It was the eventual game winner, but also seemed to deflate the Oilers, who were on the back-end of a back-to-back and on the final game of a 4-game road trip. They didn't seem to have much in the tank left to overcome it.

The Avs D wasn't done scoring, though. Like O'Brien, Hejda atoned for his earlier mistake with a goal to ice the game. This goal was set up by the hustle of David Jones to beat out an icing call. Jones didn't play much tonight and didn't play all that well when he did, but that was a hell of a play to evade an icing call late in the game like that - especially as the Avs had no timeouts left. Even if Hejda hadn't slammed home the slapper to ice it, that one was kudos worthy for sure.

Paul Stastny scored a late empty net goal - the Avs 2nd ENG on the year - to cap things off.

EDM 0 goals, 10 shots COL 4 goals, 11 shots

This was a big win for the Avs. It evened them up at 2-2 on this 8-game home stand and moves them a little closer to that bunch of teams hovering in playoff territory (5 games behind LA for the last spot). The Avs now have 9 goals from the blueline, more than half of the 16 they had all of last year (and that's with Erik Johnson still sitting on zero). Elliott looked comfortable in his debut and had a lot of impressive plays. He has the look of a guy who is here to stay...and the Avs have the look of a team who could use him.

 

MHH Avalanche 3 Stars of the Night

 

  • Stefan Elliott - Game winner in his NHL debut (and a respectable 'stache)
  • Ryan O'Reilly - Assisted on the tying and winning goal, plus a big faceoff win on the latter
  • Chuck Kobasew - 4 hits, 4 shots, 2 assists and drew a key penalty

Lines

 

  • Duchene, Stastny, Hejduk
  • Landeskog, O'Reilly, Winnik
  • Porter, McClement, Kobasew
  • McLeod, Galiardi, Jones

 

  • Quincey - O'Brien
  • Wilson - Elliott
  • Hejda - O'Byrne

 

Quick Hits

 

  • Reported attendance was 17,684 - second highest at the Pepsi Center this year
  • Linemates Ryan Wilson (+3) and Stefan Elliott (+1) are the only two Avs with a +/- above zero
  • The Oilers did win one battle on the night. They dressed 4 Ryans to our 3.

 

NHL.com Recap & Highlights

 

NHL.com recap

Game Summary

Event Summary

 

 


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good solid win…. finally seeing some physicality out of the D, need much much more of that. Whoever this Jay McClement is that dressed tonight, he can stay, the other one, not so much.

by jd21 on Nov 26, 2011 9:16 PM MST reply actions  

and duh, great debut by the rook.

by jd21 on Nov 26, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

When you start your assessment at the bottom, you’re doing it wrong. Start at the top. How about this Paul Stastny that dressed tonight, can he stay? He and his line were horseshit, but there they were taking up ice time and PP time.

The Avs haven’t been able to score this season. That is much, much more on Stastny than it is McClement, who has been very good in his role.

by DiD on Nov 26, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely. Stastny’s line got owned out there (but so did Edmonton’s first line, though they seemed to have more chances). Passing to no one. Not holding on to the puck. Not able to get pucks back to the point. Hejduk was the best of the line, but still was fairly bad. That was a horrible turnover at the Avs’ blue line, but good defense to go and get the puck back. I was certainly yelling at them all night.

Still, I hope this means that they’ve broken the scoring seal at home and the whole team can finally start hitting the net. Go, reverting to the mean! I’ve certainly never cheered for that before.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 8:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Hejduk has been pretty mediocre ever since he got the C. I wonder if it was the right call…

When does the hurting stop?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 27, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

You been watching him in the locker room?

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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 27, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Nyaaa nyaaa our goalie gave up fewer softies than your goalie

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 26, 2011 9:28 PM MST reply actions  

-Wilson was very good, that was a solid hit on Hall. McNab, who was between the benches, kept talking about how Edmonton was chirping at Wilson after the hit. Yet I didn’t hear the name “Andy Sutton” come out of his lips once. One was a headshot that was punished, one was a clean hit. If there was any incentive to hit one of their stars, it was provided by Sutton. Yet I didn’t hear Altitude make any connection whatsoever.

-Landeskog was active and played very well tonight, his best game in awhile. He clearly doesn’t have the overall scoring skills that Nugent-Hopkins does, but he certainly has a better all-around game. That whole line played well, got stronger as the game went on. McClement’s line was the best early in the game, O’Reilly’s line was the best at the end of the game.

-Through two, I thought Dubnyk was outplaying Varlamov. Thank goodness for the 3rd.

-SOB, who turned the puck over for their first goal, picked us up on the PP. Hejda, who made an unsuccessful pinch on their second goal, picked us up with our 4th goal. Goals 3 and 4 were on Dubnyk, no doubt, but you’ve got to shoot to score.

-The PK has now killed off 22 of the last 24. Winnik and McClement have been excellent on the kill all year, now it looks like they’re finally getting some help.

-This might have been Galiardi’s best game of the year, and I think that’s a couple of good games he’s had in the past week or so. He’s one of the forwards stepping up on the kill, and he was really active tonight.

-This might be the worst stretch I’ve seen for Stastny in his entire career. He was our worst center tonight, and that line was pretty blah. Nice to be able to win a game when your best player aren’t your best players, but he absolutely has to be better. Same with Hejduk, he’s in a slump. The C and the permanent A have been really bad lately, hope they can turn it around or we are in big, big trouble.

by DiD on Nov 26, 2011 9:32 PM MST reply actions  

I thought SOB was completely utterly awful tonight… and of course he picked up a goal.

I thought Kobasew was the teams best player for 2 periods.

I thought the Duchene-Stastny-Hejduk line was awful too. When Stastny & Hejduk are bad they’re just invisible, but Duchene has eye-covering awful turnovers. Somehow he turned the puck over twice to set up Quincey’s 1st period penalty. That said they’ve been good in plenty of games the Avs have lost too.

Goals 3 and 4 were on Dubnyk, no doubt, but you’ve got to shoot to score.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa I thought the only way you could score was “high quality” shots and not “perimeter” shots from the point?

 I thought the Avs looked awful over 2 periods, and didn’t even look especially good in the third. Shane O’Brien, IMO was atrociously awful all night (and I thought that before I knew that it was his giveaway that set up the 1st goal). He made some atrocious passes all night. Yet, he was #2 Star. (Kobasew did not get a star… Kobasew was robbed.)

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 26, 2011 10:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Most important point

The Avs fucking won tonight. I know they didn’t play well, but I’m sick of moral victories. I’ll take a sloppy win any day.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 26, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Shane O’Brien won me a pair of tickets tonight, so he gets a free pass….from me anyway.

by Jake "aka" Dubin on Nov 26, 2011 11:19 PM MST up reply actions  

When Stastny & Hejduk are bad they’re just invisible

That was a truly awful turnover that Hejduk gave up on the Avs’ blueline, but he hustled and got the puck back. That could easily have led to another goal against. Not quite invisible.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 8:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, Hejduk had a terrible pass. He also had a nice one later in the game (one of few for the avs).

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Elliot looked great from what I saw when I wasn’t working on my bicycle. Going forward, I hope he doesn’t get discouraged from playing his game by our awesome coach.

"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"

by HeyPeterman on Nov 26, 2011 9:36 PM MST reply actions  

Dude. You realise Sacco is one of the least limiting coaches, right?

Why do you think the defencemen have so many points? Bumbling idiocy?

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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 27, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

maybe he meant The Lefebrevavre? ( hey, us Peters need to stand up for each other, no homo)

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by CrankyPete on Nov 27, 2011 11:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Winnik should never be on the top two lines. This is the NHL.

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by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 26, 2011 10:01 PM MST reply actions  

I love Pinchy’s logic. There is clarity in brevity.

Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.

by wtnelson on Nov 26, 2011 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Joe Sacco disagrees (I do not) he’s not only a top 6 forward in his eyes, but the best. He’s out there all the time.

Spoon!!!!!!!!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 27, 2011 12:17 AM MST up reply actions  

He is not just a top 6 forward he is playing on the power play every now and then. Which is great because then we can move Duchene back to the point which is a brilliant strategy.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

If by “every now and then” you mean a total of 6:44 in 23 games, or 17 seconds/game, then you’re right. He has indeed seen some (albeit very, very brief) time on the 2nd-ranked power play in the league.

by DiD on Nov 27, 2011 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I was speaking more toward the last couple of games when he has had a couple of shifts lately on the power play.

Also there was some sarcasm in my comment too, in case you did not catch it.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Sarcasm: a way to back-peddle out of lies

"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011

The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-10-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 27, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

So, I only watched the second period

and that was from across the room in a crowded Applebees in Billings. So I can’t really make too many judgments on this game except for good for Elliott (woo Class of 2009!), congrats to SOB for getting a goal too, thank the hockey gods for those two points and the 2-2 homestand record, and this looks like one I’m going to have to watch when it comes to the NHL Vault in a couple days.

And before anyone says I jinxed them in the second, I looked at the TV as the third was starting and asked them very politely to get me a win. Then I put on my new awesome Avalanche beanie (it’s REVERSIBLE!!!!) and finished up the 13 hour drive back to Bozeman. I was rather pleased 40 minutes later when I got a text with the final score.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
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by andidee15 on Nov 26, 2011 10:24 PM MST reply actions  

If you watch the game you can skip the second. It was so bad I was tempted to turn it off. The third was much better though.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Kobasew was the best forward for the Avs tonight. Good for Kobasew. Not so good for the Avs. Agree with those above about our first line being horseshit. I’m happy for the win, glad to see some pucks find their way into the next, but if our “super” line doesn’t pull their heads out of their collective arses, we’re still looking at one long, awful, miserable season.

And oh yeah, tonight was just the right amount of Lindstrom.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 26, 2011 10:34 PM MST reply actions  

Lindstrom is going to be awesome. Just you wait.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 26, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Imaginary Awesome is more important than Knowledge

-Albert Einstein’s Imagination

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 26, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Did he imagine Kobasux too?

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 26, 2011 10:39 PM MST up reply actions  

You mean Kobastar?

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 26, 2011 10:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120

by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 26, 2011 10:48 PM MST up reply actions  

I hereby declare the broken record phrase irrelevant.

Its all about the mp3 player. If it is broken, it gives forth no sound. So really you are just calling him silent.

Heart of Cygnus: Shameless self promotion in video form.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 26, 2011 11:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Records? What the fuck are you guys talking about?

Spoon!!!!!!!!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 27, 2011 12:21 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s a button on my iPhone, is that what your talking about?

Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.

by amit916 on Nov 27, 2011 12:39 AM MST up reply actions  

You have inspired me to play records all day.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Nov 27, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Winnik had the most ice time at 21:02 beat out the factor by about a minute and a half. That’s two third liners being both the best player and the player most played. At some point Sacco has to start playing his best forwards the most minutes.

Spoon!!!!!!!!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

O’Reilly as a 3rd liner? I mean sure he’s still growing into consistency as a top 6 player but he is one of our best players. Winnik? I agree with you, but honestly with how bad Duchene, Stats and Hejduk looked tonight I don’t see how you could play them anymore without risking the game.

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 12:35 AM MST up reply actions  

not just tonight. go back and look at just about every game this year.

Spoon!!!!!!!!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 27, 2011 12:45 AM MST up reply actions  

When EJ gets back who does Sherman sacrifice at the alter of the waiver Gods? ROB or Hunwick?

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 26, 2011 10:38 PM MST reply actions  

have to think we’d try to trade hunwick… He’s not worth much more than a 6th round pick, but I think we’d try and get anything for him.

by stpn47 on Nov 26, 2011 10:40 PM MST up reply actions  

The only reason we kept Hunwick was as either tradebait or a token “offensive” “defenseman” to start the year (we didn’t know how Hejda or SOB would work out). But since Elliott actually IS an offensive defenseman, Hunwick is either going to wAiVerS or (more likely) tradebait when EJ comes back.

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by andidee15 on Nov 26, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Don’t forget, he’s part of the blockbuster trades sending Yip and a 3rd for Crosby and Hunwick and a 4th for Malkin.

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 12:20 AM MST up reply actions  

As soon as that happens we will have 3 Ds with concussion injuries.

by Uncle Richie on Nov 27, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

And we have at least Gaunce and Barrie ready to go. Add in Elliott, and we’re still fine.

Man, I love having good prospect at least on the blueline.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.

by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe we should trade the d-man who has the least goals and has been one of our worst players 5 on 5? At least he might be worth something, a winger who can score goals possibly.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

’Cause other teams love giving up goal scorers for the worst defensemen on your team.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe we gave up one for him. So maybe someone else would too.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

People will see what they want to see, but I think that you’re missing the larger picture. Even before he broke his hand, Stewart was playing some pretty uninspired to downright bad hockey. He’s amazing at times, but the invisible games or the games where he took dumb penalties or got into stupid fights were as common as the good ones. And EJ isn’t a total slouch either – he’s made some incredible defensive stops this season and has had more than one shot bounce off the post. He handles the puck like a forward, and even though he’s had a few glaringly bad turnovers, he does a lot of quiet things right that nobody notices.

EJ is a project. He has the raw skills, but it’s going to take a while to pull them all together. He’s 23 and is expected to carry this blueline basically on his own (pairing him with Hejda does not help that). That’s a lot of pressure, and I think he’s been struggling to deal with it. Just like the rest of the team, once he just relaxes and starts to just play hockey, nobody in their right mind is going to want to trade him.

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Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.

by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t understand this whole project thing that keeps getting mentioned. It sounds like just another excuse being made. How many years has EJ had and how many more does he get. Most guys don’t last more than 15 years in the NHL and if it is going to take him half of his career to finally become what he was suppose to be then maybe we gave up to much for him.

Also if the plan is to not be a good team for another 3 or 4 years because we have to develop projects. it would be nice to know so people don’t waste money on tickets to watch a team that is going to be at the bottom of the NHL for that long.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 9:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Would you make that trade if it was Chris Pronger coming back? Realistically, thats EJ’s ceiling. Guess who else is a project right now? Siemens. Yup, he’s not an established NHLer, itll take years for him to be one, does that make it a bad trade? no

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

You have no idea how long it takes almost all defensemen to mature then eh?

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 27, 2011 10:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Some mature quicker than others and no I don’t know how long it takes and neither do you or most others on this sight. if you did then you would be working as a scout for an NHL team. Some seem to do well in 3 years, others take 5 and evidently some take 7 to 8 years.

Also evidently forwards seem to take much less time as we are singing the praises of some players and bashing on others who have evidently hit their ceilings already.

Really I am just getting tired of the written reach arounds and excuses being made for some and the bashing of other young players. So sorry if I don’t always drink the kool aid and voice my own thoughts that don’t go along with the group once in awhile

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Well that was hostile. To argue that it’s some mystery how long it takes defensemen to mature, imo, is just silly.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 28, 2011 12:52 AM MST up reply actions  

You know, I kind of agree with you about the whole EJ being a project thing. How long does he get until he’s no longer a project and just not a worth a #1 pick?

Karl Alzner was drafted #5 in 2007. That guy is probably the best d on the Caps team right now considering Mike Green seems permanently broken. He was great last season along with Carlson (27th pick in 2008) as the Caps shutdown pair. This season he is just as great and steady and makes anyone he is paired with look better and have a lower goals against (over the hill can’t skate anymore Hamrlik, rookie callup Orlov, Schultz, Carlson etc). Carlson has taken a step back this season (sophomore slump) while Alzner is still steady. Last season was Alzner’s first full NHL season, but he was probably ready the season before, he just got caught up in the Cap’s cap issues with his bonuses. So I look at EJ and wonder about him, if he was really worth the number 1 pick, wouldn’t he have less issues?

I will admit that I don’t know much about developing defensemen, but I wonder about EJ after looking at Alzner, taken a year after him. I even think Carlson is probably doing better than EJ although honestly I haven’t paid enough attention to EJ to be completely comfortable in that comparison.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 28, 2011 1:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking about this some more and in defense of Erik Johnson, I guess I could offer Mike Green. Drafted 29th in 2004, and it wasn’t really until last season that he really became better defensively. He spent so much time injured last season so you might not have noticed that he improved defensively a lot last season, but he did. He was good offensively before that but he was kind of a headcase before last season. He actually saw a sports psychologist and started doing yoga the summer before last season, which resulted in him being a lot calmer and not falling apart mentally during the season, especially not in the playoffs (couldn’t take the pressure in previous years). So maybe Erik Johnson deserves a couple more years to try to put it all together.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 28, 2011 1:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the team not only desperately needs a full time goalie coach, but a psychologist as well.

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by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Nov 28, 2011 2:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Players tend to reach their peak between 26-28. EJ is 23. It’s less about how many years as it is about age.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2011 6:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we hands-down won that trade. Stew was great at times, but I haven’t forgotten all the times I yelled at him instead of for him. Let’s have this conversation again in three or four years when we can actually have a decent context in which to evaluate the trade.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Chris Stewart has just 6 points this year – 3 less than Johnson

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 27, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think it is hands down that we won, especially if you look at the others involved in the trade. I hope we end up coming out of the trade smelling like roses but right now I am just not sure that will happen.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 10:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a hard time thinking it wont. I would trade Shattenkirk for Johnson straight up in a heartbeat, wouldnt even blink. Siemens looks like he’ll be of equal value to Stewart (especially if he continues to fall off) and McClement, well… at least so far he’s been as good as Stewart and better than the guy the Blues drafted

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Siemens hasn’t even played in the AHL yet let alone the NHL. I hope he becomes the next Uwe Krupp or even better but I am not going to compare him to guy who has twice put up over 25 goals in less than a full season. Like it was said it will probably take 3 more years to know.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that McClement is as good as Stewart. He hasn’t been bad (I think, others may disagree), but he’s not going to score a ton of goals. Stewart at least has that potential. As DDC pointed out though:

Stewart: 3 goals, 3 assists, -2 (and ESPN still has him in an Avs’ jersey, sheesh)
McClement: 3 goals, 1 assist, -1

Their stats are pretty damn close. Stewie will get hot at some point, though, and I don’t think Jay will. That said, the trade’s looking good from here right now, though. Especially if Elliott can keep up his play.

(As an aside, I can believe I said “we” above when talking about the Avs. Grr. I hate doing that.)

by Andy_ on Nov 28, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Hunwick? Yeah, let’s trade him for Parise!!!

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Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.

by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions  

How was Elliott tonight?

Besides awesome, of course. Is he Shattenkirk reincarnated with more hair? I trust he’ll be around Monday, right?

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by andidee15 on Nov 26, 2011 11:08 PM MST reply actions  

I was impressed. One game, and still a rookie, but I thought he looked good. Good passer (which stood out in particular on this horrid passing night) and really good rushes. Probably still needs to work on using the body

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 26, 2011 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember one play of his I didn’t like. Avs had a 5 on 3 and won the faceoff, Peckham came at the puck and Elliott kinda “uh uh uh uh shit” and chased it back into the neutral zone.

The rest, fantastic for his first game.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 26, 2011 11:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I thoroughly enjoyed him. Great passing, good composure for a first game, actually SHOOTS the puck on occasion, and had some pretty nice defensive plays (a pretty 2 on 1 breakup just before his goal). It was weird watching an offensive defender moving forward with the puck after the past 20 games of the new Avs Defense.

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 12:15 AM MST up reply actions  

and FYI, I think he actually has less hair than Shatty.

They play similar games but there are small differences. Shatty plays with a little more swagger whereas Elliott seems more of the composed sort

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 12:17 AM MST up reply actions  

That 2 on 1 breakup was amazing.

It’s the best I’ve seen an Avs defenseman play a 2 on 1 all year.

Granted, that’s not saying a lot, but it was still a good smart play.

by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 AM MST up reply actions  

So much this.

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 27, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

It was weird watching an offensive defender moving forward with the puck after the past 20 games of the new Avs Defense.

Wat?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 27, 2011 7:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Shattenkirk has 56 points in 94 games, we can hope. Is anyone else way more bummed we lost shatty than Stewart?

Spoon!!!!!!!!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 27, 2011 12:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I personally was, I was really attached to shatty, was my favorite player for the time he was with us last season. Stewart… eh I wasn’t ever a huge fan, dunno why.

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 12:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I’ve always said Shattenkirk would be the guy we’d end up missing

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 27, 2011 8:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Even though he didn’t fit into the “new look” for the defense, I do miss him :(

Hopefully Elliott can take away the pain.

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by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Me too.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 27, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

me three.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Nov 27, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I said it before anyone else did, but now that many seem to agree, I realize that I was wrong.

#hipsterhockey

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2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 27, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Shatty is going to have a very nice career.

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"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.

by Dixomatic on Nov 27, 2011 12:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Elliott is definitely a keeper. He has composure, good puck/passing/shooting skills and a high hockey IQ. I realize it’s just one game, but his basic skills seem really solid, and he is very aware of the situations on the ice. He keeps his head up, and sees the play, makes good decisions at both ends of the ice. He had impact plays, and, more importantly, made solid NHL plays, and doesn’t get rattled, easily. I’m very, very impressed with him.

...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!

by 7sky on Nov 27, 2011 6:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I liked Elliott last night much more than what I remember of Shatty debut. I think Elliott will be better.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

from Puck Daddy's three stars, honorable mention:
The Colorado Avalanche rallied in the third period with four goals, topping the Edmonton Oilers, 5-2, in a critical game. Shane O’Brien(notes) scored his first of the season to tie the game. Stefan Elliott(notes) broke up a 2-on-1 break for the Oilers and then scored his first NHL goal on the next shift. Jan Hejda(notes) and Paul Stastny(notes) had the other goals in the third. Semyon Varlamov(notes) made 31 saves. Landislav Smid and Jay McClement(notes) had the goals for Edmonton. …

McClement how dare you!

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 AM MST reply actions  

McClement for MPS.

I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.

Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs

by Randy Time on Nov 27, 2011 1:17 AM MST up reply actions  

no trade backs

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 27, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Sacco had an interesting plan in the first. Too bad there was no execution. Guys were open, passing sucked. Guys had shots, but they missed. I thought I saw us working a trap early, which led to chances, but almost as many for Edmonton as for the Avs. I really felt if the Avs were hitting their passes, the first would have been dominated by the Avs. Being Phoenix is hard.

The second was a big meh.

The third we finally got those breaks and bounces that led to goals. All we have to do now is hope the D can score three goals a game.

McClement had a very good game.

Elliot was as good as I could expect for his first day. Mostly because his shot is so lively. I forgot how good that wrister is. Now he just needs to make sure it’s on net. His breakup of that 2-on-1 was a thing of beauty as well. I think O’Byrne is going to be the odd man out.

Winnik is a rollercoaster:
“Nice Winnik!”
“Winnik, fuckin’ come on!”
Winnik, WTF?!"
“Excellent, Winnik!”

Good game to be at the Pepsi Center for.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 27, 2011 1:02 AM MST reply actions  

He’s killing that line. Great defender, below average offensively.

by thedoctor on Nov 27, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m about 3 more shifts from reporting his presence and Jones’ absence on that line to the UN War Crimes Tribunal.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 27, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, that was a fun one. Good to see better games out of some of our bottom sixers, still disappointed in the top line. Duchene has had a pretty good month, so I may give him a pass on the night, but man oh man are Hejduk and Stastny just plain bad these days. Love Elliott’s game, love seeing him here, notice how that guy always ALWAYS looks up before he goes to clear the zone? Then makes a smart pass instead of turning it over (cough hejda/o’brien cough). Ya, I like that.

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 1:45 AM MST reply actions  

A few other things. Anyone notice that this team plays at its best when they are hitting? Seems like a common theme in our wins.

Potential good news for Monday:

Bad times for the Stars: Starting goalie Kari Lehtonen(notes) was lost to a lower-body injury, Trevor Daley(notes) to an upper-body and Vernon Fiddler(notes) to a lower-body injury

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 1:48 AM MST reply actions  

Damn. That means a backup goalie….

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Raycroft…
At least former crappy Avs never have good games against us

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Raycroft also with a 3.5 GAA and a sub .900 SV. Time to spit in the curses face?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Which means he’ll shut out the Avs.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.

by Americanario on Nov 27, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

and Brian Elliott is looming large on the horizon

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 27, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

It was a weird injury too

Did you see it? He made a save and then collapsed.

It's all about Winnik

by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 27, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

It looked like his skate got caught in a rut when he was trying to extend his leg for a pad save.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 27, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

like Andy’s warmup injury last year?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

It’s the kind of injury I always feared for Varly. Goalie makes a save and then his groin breaks. Then he had to be helped off the ice by his teammates. Looked bad for his groin.

by vtcapsfan99 on Nov 27, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I could give the usual critique, but I am just glad I got to see the Avs win in person.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Nov 27, 2011 9:30 AM MST reply actions  

PS

Brandon Yip walked by me (I was the 1st intermission entertainment and waiting by the ice) and he seemed very happy about saying hello to the ladies. He even winked at them. Let the gossip begin.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Nov 27, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Guess

his girlie and him are doneso.

It's all about Winnik

by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 27, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe I can grab her on the rebound. I have a chance, right?

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by mfured20 on Nov 27, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

it all depends on nacho-eating ability.

by Ilkinio on Nov 27, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think you’re doing it right….

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you win the musical chair thing? If so, the music guy was clearly pulling for you to win.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I got third, my buddy got second. The girl kicked the chair out from under him D:

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Nov 29, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I was there with lowayne (and a few other MHH people that probably don’t want to associate with me), but I do have a few things outside the normal critique:

Elliott’s biggest play wasn’t the goal. It was stopping that 2 on 1. He deserved that first star without a doubt, the entire game turned on his goal and his defensive play.

I was a guy booing the team after the 2nd period (one of their worst periods in a season full of bad ones) and during their awful PP chances to start the 3rd. They deserved it. And they deserved the cheering after they got desperate and pulled it out.

The Avs actually handled the umbrella PP well tonight. Nice to see some adjustment to a diamond!

Gali and McClement played really well. So did Kobasew and Porter. Great games from them.

As Dan said, Stastny looks so completely terrible out there I don’t even know what to say. If Duchene was demoted to the 4th and was getting messages sent his way, where’s the message for Stastny? Hejduk didn’t have a good game either, though he at least was trying.

Winnik is still killing the O’Reilly line offensively.

The team could use more talent, but that’s not why they’re losing. It’s 19 individuals on the ice out there. It’s a team that is going through the motions. It’s a team that the coach has lost.

by Digit on Nov 27, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

couldnt agree more with this.

Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.

by amit916 on Nov 27, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed and rec’d

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2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 27, 2011 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

You may not like it,

But paying fans have every right to boo (or cheer) if they feel play on the ice deserves it.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 27, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Did I say anything about anyone being allowed to do it or not? I said that I don’t like it and save my boos for Bertuzzi.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 27, 2011 3:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

i’ll boo the team occasionally…

but i always save my loudest for that piece of shit

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I believe you admonished people to save their boos for Bertuzzi and not give them to the Avs, because you “hate” it. I understand that sentiment, and it’s one I mostly agree with, but I will not say that people shouldn’t or even can’t boo a crap on ice product. “Allowed” is a different story, but not one it seemed like was being discussed. “I save my boos for guys like Bertuzzi” instead of “save boos for guys like bertuzzi” would have come across much differently. Whatever, nbd, but I’m with Dan. I hate having a team that deserves boos in the first place.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 AM MST up reply actions  

How else should we express displeasure with the team? What exactly is wrong with booing?

by thedoctor on Nov 27, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree. Short of everyone boycotting the games which is never going to happen, I don’t see any other good way to voice my displeasure. I suppose we could stick with making disparaging remarks about the ownership, front office, coaching staff or certain players on blogs and newspaper websites, but I don’t think that is working.

by cush52 on Nov 27, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions  

We could whistle like they do in Europe. That would confuse everyone.

by DiD on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope. When they put on a piss poor performance, they deserve to hear it, just as much as they deserve to hear the cheering.

Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.

by amit916 on Nov 27, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

The Avs suck so much ass in the second period.

I haven’t looked into this hard or anything, but from NHL.com team stats, goals for/goals against by period:

1. 16/16, 19th and 10th in league
2. 16/28 (!), 27th and 29th.
3. 24/25, 11th and 22nd, which I think we can blame on risk/reward.

At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?

by SteveHouse on Nov 27, 2011 12:47 PM MST reply actions  

So when a player like Elliott gets the call up from the minors, where does he stay when he’s here? Crash on the captains couch or maybe they had a hotel room ready for him?

by LeonardoC6 on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 PM MST reply actions  

Denverpost reported that he checked in an hotel before the game.

by Ilkinio on Nov 27, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Hopefully one of the “extended stay” hotels.

by ny_avs_fan on Nov 27, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

The Oilers did win one battle on the night. They dressed 4 Ryans to our 3.

Thanks again Stoa.

/asshole!

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 27, 2011 2:48 PM MST reply actions  

There is a ‘star’ on this team who is well on his way to playing his way OFF the team. I think it all started with the Stewart trade & this certain players Father flapping his lips,

This particular player is not playing anything like he used to. He’s clearly capable, yet he’s just not getting it done this year. Some will argue he’s still putting up points, but he’s not making an impact on the game like he did even 2 seasons ago…most of all he doesn’t look inspired or motivated on the ice. I’m not ready to say he’s not what he was cracked up to be, I think he is tired of what’s gone on with management & how they’ve handled ‘rebuilding’ this team. Total speculation…but….

We’re on game 2 without EJ on the ice. Call me whatever name you’d like, but it’s been two games of rather solid Defense, fewer turn-overs moving the puck out and all defensemen have been active in the other end. IMO, EJ is nothing more than a 3rd pairing D-man. I was all amped up about this kid coming over (while trying to ignore how much we overpaid for him) but he just hasn’t shown anything promising. I don’t think EJ is a bad D-man, but I do think he overacheived his rookie season. A lot of players do this coming into the league & unfortunately EJ is one of them, IMO.

On the blue line and even in goal, this is not a bad team. Giguere has played great, Varly started out excellent and as the entire team slid, so did he – but he was also hung out to dry a couple times. But, Varly has been good 2 consecutive games & will give him the benefit of the doubt, he’s young and is a starter at a position most don’t get a legitimate chance of starting until their mid/late 20’s.

The Avs were good as a whole in the first, the intensity was good but that had a LOT to do with Wilson destroying Hall. In the 2nd when the game settled down, the Avs began to look lifeless offensively again, the boo birds came back out and they genuinely didn’t deserve to win the game. In the 3rd they finally scored some goals and turned the crowd in their favor.

Elliot is the real deal. I don’t care which D-man pays the price and gets shipped out other than SOB, Quincy, Wilson to fit Elliot on the roster but this kid needs to stay up here. He played the 2 on 1 PERFECTLY and with confidence. He played the middle of the ice and took the pass away at the top of the circles, forced the player to shoot while giving Varly a clean look. The player clearly didn’t want to shoot, he tried the pass and Elliot was able to block it, stop and move forward to knock it up to the forward. If you watch Elliot, his head is on a swivel. His eyes were all over the ice every shift. There is no need to break down his goal. Walking the blue line under pressure as a rook in your 1st game and scoring…gross. Oh Shatty how I miss you but Elliot just lessoned the pain.

I used to hate the boo birds in other arenas. Nothing pissed me off more than the fans booing the home team. I remember a couple times last season when the Bruins were being booed at home…THAT I don’t agree with, but when management trades away a power forward that when he was hot, scored a lot of goals, could trade punches with the big boys and played well with the teams stars and a puck moving D-man who was catching praise from Scotty Bowman & other big names, producing at a PPG for almost 2 months on an undersized blue line with shit goaltending for a former #1 draft pick under-acheiving D-man in Erik Johnson, fans are going to be testy, especially after they rebuild the D-corps through free agency while keeping some core players who were victims of a shit team, not a lack of talent. I don’t blame the boo birds at all. This team pisses me off, but management is responsible for this team and it pisses me off even more.

This team DID not need Johnson. The Avs could certainly use Stewarts 25-30 goals this season, the Avs could’ve used Shattys ability to move the puck & score on the PP. Maybe those 2 could have even scored in consecutive games where the Avs lost by a goal this year, forced over time & at least gotten a point. So you can argue I’m stating all what-if’s…which I am – but what exactly has Johnson brought or contributed to this team? Nadda, zilch.

Now the Avs have no major forward prospects finding their way to the NHL right now, Hishon is not the answer, Hishons career may be over before it even started. Mueller is done with the Avs at the end of the season and the poor guy had his career ruined by some bad hits, one courtesy of Blake. Mueller will contribute nothing unfortunately. So what do the Avs do to bring in a power forward who is going to draw attention, play in the dirty areas and free up some space for Duchene, Hejduk & give someone like Stastny a slap on the ass to get going again? Stewart did all of that, obviously all to obtain a struggling D-man, along with Shatty.

Oh well. I suppose I’ll just keep buying Center Ice every season and attending any Avs games in Boston, NYR & NYI and NOT boo when I’ve spent a lot of hard earned money to watch them lose & make stupid roster moves.

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Nov 27, 2011 4:00 PM MST reply actions  

Stewart isn’t really that good. But he is a thug who mixed things up and I miss that. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Avs package Stastny and EJ and send them to Columbus for Nash, John Moore, and a 2nd round pick.

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by Lost Winter on Nov 27, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

IMO that would be a horrible mistake

Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

This organization isn’t getting rid of EJ. Between what we gave up for him and the fact he was given a rotating A – honestly, I think they were hoping HE was going to be our next captain. Even though his play has been lackluster so far this year, the kid is 23! Defensemen take longer to develop, and EJ has a shitload of raw skill. He might not be anything special right now, but shipping him off is a BAD idea.

He IS going to be our franchise defenseman, but it might take a while. Sherman knew exactly what he was getting when he made the trade: a project. I know I had unrealistically high expectations for Edge this year, and I do feel let down. But I still think that EJ is the real deal. He just needs more time and coaching to come into his own.

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Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.

by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Huh?

If you’re playing GM, your follow-up trade to Sherman’s blockbuster last spring would leave us without Stastny, Stewart, Shattenkirk, and Eric Johnson in exchange for Nash, McClement, Moore, and a 2nd rounder? No thank you.

We need a bonafide #1 center on this team (sorry O’Reilly) who can play two-way hockey. Statsny is that guy. I’d much rather ride this bad stretch out and look for a top 6 winger to plug in on trade market/free agency or wait to see what happens with Landeskog’s development. Give up on Stastny and Johnson now, and our team is screwed.

by HansoBonanzo on Nov 27, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

That, and Shattenkirk hasn't exactly been lighting up the PP.

He only has one PP assist. EJ has eight.

So are we really missing his PP production? No.

by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 27, 2011 4:19 PM MST up reply actions  

also, found this in my MHH images file from just before the trade….

I’m sure it was made for a reason

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

EJ thing aside, I am worried about Stastny. He’s not been playing well recently at all, and even though his point totals are still pretty good (7G 7A 14P 3rd on the team), he’s kinda been a non-factor for most of the minutes he’s on the ice. I’ve seen Stastny play up to his potential, and this is not it. Add in the fact management is upset with him, O’Reilly’s making a strong case for 2nd line center, and Duchene has finally found his grove and it’s not looking good for the Son of Stastny.

I hope Paul pulls it together. Even if we are planning to move him, selling low is not a good idea. He’s a great player, but he’s got to do better out there.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.

by andidee15 on Nov 27, 2011 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

my honest opinion? Paul Stastny is not a #1 center. He never has been. He is THE PERFECT #2 Center. There’s nothing wrong with Paul, his game just isnt flashy, and the little head fakes, the sly passing the subtle positioning kinds of things that he is good at, they are less effective against top pairing D, because Paul doesnt have the natural talent of guys like Duchene, Kopitar, Crosby, Koivu, Sedin, etc etc. Stastny’s best numbers have come when top D were pairing on Sakic, and when top D were paired on Duchene. Management gets their shit together, give Duchene some real wingers and puts him on the top line. I guarantee you Stastny turns it around. I agree that Stastny is in a funk, but I also think we are misusing him, expecting him to be a finisher when he’s not one.

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I somewhat agree, but

On this team, with no other serious contenders for a #1 center in the pipelines, Stastny has to be our #1 center. He may not be the best man in the league for the job, but Duchene doesn’t have nearly as polished defensive/faceoff skills. I feel the misuse thats occuring here is that Duchene makes for a better winger than a center. Problem with that is, we lack a depth of scoring talent (surprise) and when top line get shutdown our team really starts to show its weaknesses.

Stastny will turn it around. He’s shown in the past that he can consistently be a playmaker in this league. When he’s on his game he has great composure on the puck and he’s the best assist man we have. Duchene-Stastny-Hejduk line could and should be our go-to guys imo

by HansoBonanzo on Nov 27, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Call me whatever name you’d like, but it’s been two games of rather solid Defense, fewer turn-overs moving the puck out and all defensemen have been active in the other end.

Reading that sentence the name that comes to mind is “Blind”. The Avs defense was completely terrible on the breakout last night. Shane O’Briend was especiall bad, but no one in the back end had a very good night moving the puck.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions  

I mostly agree, but I do think Elliott was pretty good moving the puck. I noticed several plays where he calmly made a nice pass to his winger support under heavy forecheck pressure. Everybody else, when they weren’t turning it over, basically threw it up the boards hoping like hell support was there.

by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 27, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree completely. I though Elliott’s break out was the best part of his game all night

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Elliott did have good break out passes, on the whole though, they were awful in breakouts.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2011 6:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Jibbles you must look into salt peter to control your boner for EJ. I’m impressed though, your boner must be big enough to cover your eyes and blind you while you squint to watch the Avalanche suck balls on TV.

 Johnson flat out sucks right now. 9 points and he is a -12? I’m not sure EJ has never NOT sucked the big meat pole. While everyone loves a D-man who can move the puck and put up points, I also hate the same D-man who can move the puck but can’t defend his own end. Quincey is putting up points, Wilson is putting up points, hell even O’Brien is putting up points yet all 3 of them are less of a liability in their own end…and not one of them cost a Stewart/Shatty trade. Whatever. Johnson blows for what he was paid. Would I have taken this guy and quit my bitching if he was acquired for a 2nd rounder? Yup. Hell, LILES was stolen for a 2nd rounder who is a much more accomplished & proven D-man. So where in the effing world did anyone come up with the idea that Johnson was worth the best D-man to come through the Avs system in who knows how long last season? What about this power forward who was pounding face & scoring goals? A STRUGGLING D-man at that.

Ryan Wilson is on the SAME shitty hockey club as EJ and with his 12 pts has somehow managed to be +3. Would you trade Stewart & Shatty for a PERFORMING D-man in Wilson? Even that is a huge overpayment and Wilson is the better player all around on the ice right now.

Everyone screams raw talent, hes young, ra ra ra, pronger sucked when he was young too. Yeah that’s great, I don’t see ANY raw talent with Johnson. He plays a lot like a former Avalanche, a hit here or there, an attempt to move the puck out with a horrible turn over, few attempts to skate the puck out, get to the offensive blue line pass to a winger and go offside/turn over the puck and create an odd-man rush or leave a forward out to dry covering his position, but every couple games he plays ‘solid’ to the degree of a non-liability 3rd pairing D-man. cough skoula cough. There is only 1 shittier D-man on this team , Hejda. However Hejda was a FA and didn’t cost jack squat.

I hope ya’ll remember all the defending of EJ by the end of this season.

by JoeSacc0wn3d on Nov 28, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I said the Avs Defense in the Edmonton game played like shit, especially breakout passes.

I didn’t say, directly or inderectly, anything about EJ. I said you were wrong if you thought the Avs D looked good in the last 2 games.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions  

z

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 AM MST up reply actions  

This one felt soooo good.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 27, 2011 4:43 PM MST reply actions  

Did anyone here watch the same game as me last night?

The Avs played like shit and won. That feels a lot better than the “playing great and losing” they’ve been doing the rest of the month.

I’m happy they won and after dominating games and losing.

Personally I’m going to enjoy it and wait to over analyze everything until they lose another game they should have won.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 27, 2011 5:45 PM MST reply actions  

That “maybe” in your signature truly gives me hope.

by Andy_ on Nov 27, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions  

This is the statistics bitterness I was talking about the other day. Maybe bitterness is the wrong word, and I know you’re happy they won so it’s not pointed at you, but it seems like some of the other Corsiatti don’t care who wins or loses, just who SHOULD have won or lost. Then they get all butthurt about the end result because it wasn’t backed up by their precious numbers.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 28, 2011 2:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I was pretty happy about the game. The luck finally went the other way for once. I am bitter that the Avs aren’t winning though (but then again so is everyone else). I think I’ve had a much more positive, and less, bitter outlook on the Avs this season than a ton of non-stats people.

I was more meaning that the way people are bitching in the comments here you’d think the Avs lost 5-2…

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2011 6:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, ok. I’ve been z-ing through a lot of comments lately.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 28, 2011 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

When I see several posts by jibble, I shift A all of your asses!

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 28, 2011 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

As a well known foe of the Corsiatti, I agree with Jibbles that I’m very happy that the Avs won, but had, imo, no business doing so.

I didn’t get to (have to) watch the 2nd period, but watched the first before leaving to see DU pwned by Miami of Ohio and then watched the 3rd on re-broadcast later that night. From what I saw, the Avs didn’t win that game as much as the Oil went out and actively lost it. Once Dubnyk let in what was in fairness a completely stoppable point shot from O’Brien on the PP (or what the Avs were trying to sell as a PP – that shit was super ugly), he pretty well fell apart and let in two more soft shots from the point from Elliott and Hejda. I’m very pleased the Avs won and I think Elliott showed through his play that he never wants to see Cleveland again, but I think the first star of the game from the Avs’ perspective was Dubnyk. Somebody oughta send the dude a fruit basket.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

So

Johnson sucks because he sucks and should be traded for pucks.
Stastny should be traded for less than pucks.
Stewart would be one of the best players on this team.
You can’t boo your own team unless you can.

Also, I am watching the Blues game; specifically Stewart. He is not the same player he was on the Avs. He’s skilled and strong, but his centers are not even in the same realm as Stastny. Sherman traded high on Stewart and regardless of the rest of the trade, that part is important. He saw that I think.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 27, 2011 6:03 PM MST reply actions  

Stewart sucks.

I’m stuck with him on my fantasy team and he is not producing at all.

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by Lost Winter on Nov 27, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions  

dropped him for RNH weeks ago. thats worked well

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

And don’t forget. Stewart is old and he’s done and his career is over, but Johnson is a project.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 27, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

For those Debbie Downers.

Avs and Ducks seem to be in very similar situations right now. Not really winning games, top line not producing as much (except for the robot Selanne). Comparing the stats between the two teams, they look eerily close at a quick glance.

I love it
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