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Coyotes at Avalanche Recap, Yotes bore Avs to death 4-1

DENVER, CO - NOVEMBER 02:  Goalie Mike Smith #41 of the Phoenix Coyotes makes a save as T.J. Galiardi #39 of the Colorado Avalanche showers him with ice as he slides to a stop at the Pepsi Center on November 2, 2011 in Denver, Colorado.  (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

Phoenix, the Minnesota of the Pacific.

Boring. Boring. Boring. Weird Bounce. Goal. Avs lose. Kittens die.

First period: About six minutes into the game, Eric Johnson came close to scoring his first goal of the season when he rang a deceptive shot off the post, but it would be Phoenix who would tally fist when Derek Morris dumped the puck into the Avs zone and subsequently a little chaos in front of the net turned into a Pyatt goal - former Avalanche defensman Morris with the secondary assist.

With just over 7 minutes to play the Avs had a few consecutive dominant shifts complete with line changes while holding the puck in the offensive zone, with the best chance coming off Paul Stastny at point blank range, but the behemoth Mike Smith made the stop. Phoenix answered right back with a flurry of their own, but Varly was aggressive and fought off them dirty desert dogs. All in all it was a pretty balanced first period with both teams getting chances and splitting swings of momentum. The new-ish line of Dutchy Lindy Jones started to show some chemistry towards the end of the period. Good omen or just a tease?

Second period: 3:48 into the second, the newly promoted T.J. Galiardi took an elbow in front courtesy of Daymond Langkow resulting in the Avs 2nd powerplay of the night, but the home team could not convert. (note: I know the Avs have the #1 PP, but Kobasew on the first unit this go round? WTF?). Hejda almost put the puck past Smith on a nice feed from McClememt on a rush up ice, but got more of the post than the puck.

8:18 into the second, Quincey got called for a love tap slash giving Phoenix their first powerplay. Landeskog made a NICE steal on the PK but couldn't convert. Moments later, Shane Doan tripped Daniel Winnik during a short handed chance, ending the Phoenix powerplay and creating some 4 on 4 hockey. If Doan hadn't tripped Winnik, it would have been a nice 2 on 1 down low for the Avs. Neither team could muster much offense during the 4 on 4, and the Avs continued that ineptitude during their shortened powerplay chance. The Avs had an amazing, L O N G, shift with the patchwork line of Lindstrom-Stastny-Hejduk late in the second with multiple chances but couldn't get that one break to beat Smith and then of course Phoenix gets that break and scores short side after a lucky bounce  found Vrbata for his 11th goal in 22 games against his former club. These are opportunistic Coyotes. But less than a minute later, as they've done all season long, O'Reilly's line worked hard and was rewarded when Winnik took the puck strong to the net. His momentum sent the puck through the crease where O'Reilly pounced on it and made it 2-1 Phoenix.

Third Period: Well the third started with a whimper. Korpikowski out hustled and out muscled Quincey to a rebound off a dump in and beats Varlamov up high to make it 3-1 - and we're not even 30 seconds into the period. The score is frustrating considering the Avs were out-chancing the Yotes 12-6 at the time. After that disglorious start, it seemed Sacco shuffled all the lines and D-pairings to try to jump start his squad, but to no avail. Phoenix played their game, was patient, and played their total team game. Who cares. They're boring. Vrbata added an empty netter. Bored.

The Avs really need to start scoring goals at home.

MHH Avalanche 3 Stars of the Night

 

  • O'Reilly
  • Landeskog
  • Winnik

Lines

Unsolicited analysis: These lines make sense to me, but they're not making sense on the score sheet.

  • Galiardi Stastny Hejduk
  • Landeskog O'Reilly Winnik
  • Lindstrom Duchene Jones
  • McLeod McClement Kobasew
  • Johnson Hejda
  • Quincey O'Brien
  • O'Bryne Wilson
  • Varlamov

Quick Hits

 

  • O'Reilly bros did not get to battle tonight because Cal is still recovering from injury
  • Avs came into the game #1 in the NHL in powerplay conversion (29.4%) and faceoffs (54.7%). So much for stats holding true - again.
  • Mike Smith is like a crappy NHL 95 goalie. He just covers the puck all the time and kills the play any chance he gets. Snooze. 

NHL.com Recap & Highlights

 

NHL.com recap

Game Summary

Event Summary

 


 


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This one left a bad taste in my mouth, not hopeful for a win on friday…

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 AM MDT reply actions  

Speaking of hot goaltenders…paging Kari Lehtonen

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

speaking of hot goaltenders

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying a tripod would make a hot goaltender? I’ve been called a tripod before.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

But not for that reason I would expect

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dan’s always telling him to take the stick out of his ass. He never listens.

2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: The possibility exists that this may not suck.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pfffft. They didn’t even have fighting in 95. Definitely the weakest game to model your style after.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 AM MDT reply actions  

’95 was a finesse game……

The blogist formerly known as Paul's Coffey

by Brett Shumway on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

And it sucked. By far the weakest game of the series. (at least to 01 when I quit playing regularly)

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I prefer ’95, actually.

In addition to “fun factor”, it also allowed my patented “ram the goalie for a guaranteed goal” technique.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m a ’94 guy.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Was that the blood on the ice version? It was awesome.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

FOs tend to be trending downward. Not happy about this. I’ve said before they need to keep possession. Now I think they need to get it in the first place. Still happy-ish, but definitely concerned. Gotta win at home, guys, you just gotta.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 AM MDT reply actions  

This team is already falling into the 2nd half traps of the last couple of years. And with all I heard about our defense over the summer, they are still 21st in the league in shots allowed. At some point you have to question if this is a coaching issue.

This team should have the speed to beat the trap, they can’t.

This team should have the size to bruise people and limit shots. They have it. When they use it, they tend to play better.

Yes, the Coyotes are a boring team, but a team this current Avs squad should be able to beat…instead they play down to their level.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 4:01 AM MDT reply actions  

3rd Period

Big soft rebound from Varly, Quincey can’t tie up Korpikoski
All their shots came from the outside and never really tested Smith.

by Mapletreemarty on Nov 3, 2011 5:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

It wasn’t the rebound so much as he didn’t adjust his angle after he recovered. Not sure if he thought Quincey was gonna get there or what.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he looked a little surprised the puck kicked out so far. Was still square to the net but not to the puck. Tough shot though.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

And by adjust his angle, I’m talking like 4"-6". He was still square on the initial angle and ended up being square to the shooter and not the puck. It was odd. He just seemed frozen.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the Avs played any differently tonight than they have been. Phoenix got a few lucky bounces, enough to put them ahead and allow them to sit back into their defensive scheme. The Avs play a crash the net style that just tends to do nothing with 3 big defensive guys sitting in front of the net the whole game.

Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv

by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m beginning to believe Sacco is clueless, Tippett is in my opinion the best coach in the league now that Lemaire has retired and yes he has to play a boring trap but he wins. Sacco does not make adjustments well enough.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

What, exactly, is Sacco doing to give you this impression?

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I keep asking this. This spectator/arm chair coaching crap people have is absurd. When he starts being an actualy detriment to the team and the talent I will fall in line and complain.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just want to know what people see. Other than line combo juggling, what kind of on-ice adjustments is he not making. Should he be bringing the center down lower to help on defense? Or moving the Wings for breakout passes?

Frankly I don’t know what he would do, I’m not quite that intimate with the X’s & O’s. But I honestly want to know what other people see when they say this stuff.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

its funny, most of the Sacco complainers ask for line changes, then criticize Sacco for mixing things up. I think what most people see is players we know should play better, playing poorly. They take that as a coaching issue overall, not an individual one

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I liked the lines last night. Especially liked the Radar, Duchene, Hejduk, Lindstrom, Johnson PP unit (did I get that unit right?).

Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv

by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, i liked it too, but Lindstrom makes some bad choices at the point. I’d rather see Quincey there.

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Quincey has a surprisingly nasty shot. All for that.

Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv

by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hardly ever think a forward on point works. There are exceptions, but it tends to lead to bad things

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Lindstom just does’t have enough experience to be confident on the point. He can get better. I think mosty he is just back there trying to setup EJ for a shot or to help get the pass down the boards to the forwards.

Quincy was playing the point but on the 2nd PP with Wilson last night.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw Lindstrom on the point at least once sliding side to side and moving the puck down low. I thought he showed some potential. Nothing a little experience and practice wouldn’t help.

In Sherman we trust

by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has a deceptively hard shot. He needs to slip lower on backside plays and use it more, IMO.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has some skill. I’m not denying that. But he is the very definition of Eurosoft. The anti Landeskog, if you will.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

this

His one timer PP goal from Wilson in his first game was just effing awesome. Do that. Screw the point. Gimme those cross ice passed that lead to one timers that lead to popped water bottles. Beauty.
Use the guy’s natural skill. Don’t try to force a square peg into round hole.

The blogist formerly known as Paul's Coffey

by Brett Shumway on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is very effective when the other team is not playing defense.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I liked the coaching last night well enough. If the Avs had scored first (and there were plenty of chances for this), it would’ve been a completely different game. Haynes’ comments last night were pretty dead on. You go down a goal or two against a team like Phoenix and you’ll need to score the dirty goals to get back into it — we just didn’t get the bounces for a dirty goal though there were chances a plenty.

Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv

by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Notice

How when you ask that question, there are no responses from the detractors.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll answer you.

Right now I don’t like Sacco because I think he’s mediocre. I feel like while a few low talent players overachieve for him, the players with real ability constantly underachieve. The team regularly starts with low energy, rarely plays a full 60 minutes, and never adjusts to their opponents style of play. If the opponent doesn’t play the Avs’ game, then the Avs are in trouble.

All that being said, my biggest complaint has been keeping the third line together at the cost of the top two lines floundering. Fuck Winnik. Put Duchene on that wing and make that the top line.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

“The team regularly starts with low energy, rarely plays a full 60 minutes, and never adjusts to their opponents style of play. If the opponent doesn’t play the Avs’ game, then the Avs are in trouble.

All that being said, my biggest complaint has been keeping the third line together at the cost of the top two lines floundering. Fuck Winnik. Put Duchene on that wing and make that the top line"

Love it wanted to see it posted twice =) (Could do without the F* Winnik part but hey)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I haven’t read all the responses yet,so this may have been mentioned, but… I was utterly confused by the continued employment of the dump and chase on the PP. It did not seem to me as the player making the best option in the situation but rather a rule of them because they did it nearly every single time they tried to enter the o-zone. I’m not on the Sacco Sucks bandwagon, but I did find that curious – especially because it wasn’t working. Thoughts anyone?

The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: a mean, junkyard dog looking for revenge

by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

*rule of thumb

The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: a mean, junkyard dog looking for revenge

by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was complaining to my wife and Malachi during the game about that

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they were trying to get into a cycle it looked like. Duchene was doing a pretty good job of just skating it in, but we still couldn’t sustain possession in the zone well.

Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv

by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

for coming up with an actual observation.

I’m not sure if you mean now or season-long. Phoenix (and Tippett) deny entry to the zone really well, maybe it was an adjustment for this game based on scouting. (not sure if you mean this game or in general)

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was only talking about last nights game. However I think I was more aggravated and complaining because it was so damn difficult to get into the zone because of the system. They were doing a damn good job of guarding the blueline and denying access and I’m not really sure what our other choices were.

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I only noticed it last night…but you can bet your bottom dollar I’ll be watching for it from now on!

The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: a mean, junkyard dog looking for revenge

by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought it looked okay actually. It seemed like the wingers and the dumping defenseman were a tiny bit out of sync. I will be excited to see how that goes tomorrow.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jones was getting to pucks on the dump in all night long. I do remember that.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lindstrom was effectively watching his linemates get to them. Then cautiously lining up behind the play. Then running away like brave Sir Robin when it looked like contact may occur.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought during the last power play. We were dumping the puck down the near side boards and letting it wrap around the behind the goal and hoping we when the race and could hold it in. Except it wasn’t working well and it was usually taking 20 seconds off ot the PP when it failed. Seemed like a waste of time. If they were going to dump and chase I would havev rather seen them dump it in to the far side corner where it will usually sit and then battle for the puck.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is my problem with his schemes: the inflexibility. I rarely see adjustments to what the other team is doing. Disciplined teams on defense give the Avs fits, and I think it stems from the bench. We look so lost against the trap teams.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

As far as this game goes, you’re right. The Avs were out-strategized. Sometimes they lose because they’re just out-hustled, but this time they were out-smarted. They had no response to the Phoenix’s collapsing box and they lost because of it.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

i see it on zone entry too. the other team will practically have 4 guys clogging the back half of the neutral zone/standing up on the blue line/trapping and one back in the zone just waiting for the dump and…we still gain the red line and dump and chase, or try to carry it in against 4 guys.

Before Dan comes with his HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE A HOCKEY COACH WHEN YOU’RE JUST SOME DUMBASS appeal to authority bullshit, I’m no super hockey strategist, but I can tell when a strategy is doomed to fail and clearly not working at all.

I thought beating the trap was well understood at this point. Either draw defenders to the puck carrier and make a well timed side to side pass to a streaking winger (who then carries as far as he can before dumping/passing/shooting), or you make a long pass from the back. Why do we continually dump from the red line or try to carry in ourselves? Why aren’t there adjustments?

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grow up, doc, don’t be so fucking thin skinned.

This is the game where we put 40 shots on goal, many of which were good chances, but which our “top two” centers couldn’t bury. And the scheme’s the problem? How about trying to simplify things and just point out that fucking Stastny is in a slump and hasn’t scored on at least 5 close-in chances this season. And that Duchene is playing poorly.

Did you watch the game? How did we manage to get 40 shots on goal by using this supposedly shitty scheme?

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grow up, doc, don’t be so fucking thin skinned.

Perhaps I’m also being thin-skinned, but I’d prefer to see fewer sentences like this.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Grow up, Joe, don’t be so fucking thin skinned and get a job and a law degree and do soemthing with your life.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grow up c6hor8, don’t be so fucking thin skinned and see 7 or even 8. Go make something of yourself man

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sad to see MHH become nothing more than an army of trolls.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clearly.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Motherfucker.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

YOU ARE YOU CALLING A MOTHER FUCKER YOU PIECE OF WAAAAAAAAARBLBLBELBELBELEBEBBEBE

#ThinSkinned

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooops, sorry. Forgot the ellipses…

….motherfucker.

See, I was just finishing the quote.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s quite possible one of his whores has given birth. Therefore this statement is not really out of line.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

i can’t stop rec’ing this

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the need to call me out by name, putting words in my mouth (show me where I ever called anyone besides Bob a dumbass), followed by saying my comment is bullshit.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t see the need for either of you to fight on the Internet.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn’t call anyone out by name first, Joe. I’m not going to stir shit with someone I don’t know extremely well. But if I get called out first, then it’s natural to answer.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Understandable. But I don’t have to explain to you that it’s best to ignore it or respond with humor instead of getting bent out of shape. We’re (mostly) adults here and don’t have to turn this thread into a cussing battle. It just sours the mood, you know?

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Making the comment in the first place sours the mood, Joe, and it’s uncalled for.

I get the ignore/humor thing, but some days are good and some days aren’t.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, understandable. But I really don’t like to spend time diffusing stupid pissing contests when one of you could be the bigger man and just let it go. If somebody posts an obnoxious, unnecessary comment, everybody can read it for themselves and know it was out of line. Not everything is worthy of a response.

Do as you will, but if I deem, in my perfect and unrivaled wisdom, that it’s gone on too long or too far, I’ll just start deleting comments.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

There should be a tempory ban hammer. Like a 1 game suspension.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

All this yelling and AJ isn’t even around today, impressive.

Varly!

by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

thin skinned

pot, this is kettle…

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two minutes for instigating.

Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

lighten up Dan. When you run around yelling at anyone with bad things to say about Sacco that they don’t know enough to open their mouths, yeah, I read between the lines that you consider us haters dumbasses. I’m sorry for not making my paraphrasing clear enough.

Now can you stop being weird about this? You know perfectly well there’s no malice behind my comments, just like I know that you never had any malice behind yours.

Now, I do think that such an argument is bullshit. It’s a clear appeal to authority fallacy. Just because he’s a coach does not make him above criticism.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

thin skinned? im not offended or mad, just tired of you beating that “only experts can have valid criticism of coaches” drum, and decided to head off that particular response since you practically copy and paste it every time I have something bad to say about Sacco.

this is a general criticism, not specifically about last night. they actually played pretty well last night, they deserved better, just like vs. Edmonton a bit ago. it happens.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only coaching decision that affected this game was when Tippett wrote “Mike Smith” next to “Starting Goalie.”

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

like I said, it was a general criticism.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn’t see anything you wrote that says your comment was a general criticism.

Just leave my name out of your comments in the future, OK?

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is a general criticism, not specifically about last night.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fact: Good coaches get their players to play the best they possibly can.
Opinion: If Sacco is doing this consistently, we don’t lose games to Calgary, Edmonton + Phoenix.

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by CrankyPete on Nov 3, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

You realize you just listed a teams with the following: a goalie with historically AWESOME results against the Avs, probably the hottest goalie in the league not named Lehtonen, and human elephant Mike Smith, right? Doesn’t that deflate your argument juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusta a tad?

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

i disagree with this. Sometimes you play a great game and a goalie beats you. Sometimes the team just can’t shoot well. Losses happen, and it’s not always the coaches fault, or a lack of effort.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

This should not happen as often as it does to us.

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by CrankyPete on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look how often it happened to other teams two years ago when Andy was hot…

by earl06 on Nov 3, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, what I would say is that take a look at Phoenix. I don’t think they compare favorably to the Avs from a talent perspective but they win. They have a journeyman goalie and lots of non-household names. Possibly not 1 star on the team. But they come in and whip the Avs.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

You act like that is unique to the Avs and Sacco Phoenix is 6-3-2, ahead of the Avs in the standings. They are doing this same thing to everybody, Tippet has been fucking with other coaches, all other coaches, for years. The fact that he out-strategized Sacco means very little

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

you asked why I thought Sacco was not good, I answered. The rest of your statement has nothing to do with it. Hire Tippett then?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

They didn’t play down to Phoenix’s level. The Avs had good pressure and some excellent opportunities to score, but Mike Smith was excellent.

As far as sustained pressure goes, this was one of their best games of the year. Our “best players” couldn’t score when they had some great opportunities to score, that’s all.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh and that first goal? Another terrible Johnson turnover…plus a breakdown of having anyone near the net after said turnover. Ugh, the guy has so much potential, but he is so frustrating to watch when there is any pressure on him

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 AM MDT reply actions  

JOhnson

constant turn overs. He waits until he has no options before he tries to pass. He waits until there are two players on him. What the hell is his deal?!

by Kobbers on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Does this trait remind anyone else of Martin Skoula?

by Stormsign21 on Nov 3, 2011 12:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Whoa.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now I give Martin Skoula a pass since we share the exact same birthdate…but REALLY?

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was meant as a joke, but those outlet passes… Lol

by Stormsign21 on Nov 3, 2011 2:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

To be completely fair to EJ, I don’t get the same “deer in headlights” vibe from him that I got from Skoula. I just think he tries to do too much sometimes, and gets burned. And sometimes he does fumble the puck. I still think he’s going to be really good, however. Our D is now pretty rock solid. We’re just not very talented up front.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I think I honestly feel like EJ’s overall defensive game has been steadily improving. I don’t think there is another defender on the team I want out there more when things really matter.

Sure I would like to see him get rid of the puck quicker in certain situations but like you said, it just seems he’s still reaching a little to much trying to make super fancy passes and be all superstar when he just needs either make the easy pass or get it the hell out of the zone.

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well said.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I absolutely agree. I’m not on the Sacco’s-head-on-a-spit wagon & I don’t think we need to trade Duchene or SoS for a bag of pucks & a cup of melted ice. EJ is only 23, has uber upside & is learning the tendencies of new goalies & a new d partner. That said, I think they are doing more than what most experts gave them credit for. Jibbles is right, this is a small sample size of the season.

by Stormsign21 on Nov 3, 2011 4:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I haven’t seen the purse, though.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Johnson was really bad with the turnovers in his own end all night. The first goal had about 3 lucky bounces involved in it though.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to chuckle

in a sad sad way, but isn’t this exactly what the Blues fans said we’d be saying before too long?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

And we’d be saying that Stewart would be streaky. Similar in that regard, but risks each team wanted.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

My comment wasn’t at all about the trade or its validity. I’m simply talking about what they said we could expect from him.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty much, but at least it’s something correctable. Little coaching, a few times passing around some tires…

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. At least EJ plays fairly consistently otherwise. Skills can be easily corrected. Compete can’t.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for truthsomeness

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Greened

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is this really something coaching can fix at this point. A player of his caliber should have learned what to do with the puck in his zone by the age of 14. If not then he should have picked it up by the time he was drafted. If he hadn’t learned by the time he was drafted don’t you think one coach in the NHL he has had in the last 4 years would have worked with him not to do that anymore?

There comes a point in time when no amount of coaching will change a player’s tendencies. Also EJ may have only been in the NHL for 4 years, but what you do with the puck when in your own zone and under pressure is not a complex concept that is over the head of a 16 year old hockey player. He should have learned this many years ago. It is like telling a QB not to throw in to double coverage. If you are still doing this after a couple years in the NFL it maybe to late.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent point! I"m not sure EJ and Hejda make for good defense.

by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 3, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

WELL WELL

I seem to remember getting a scolding for saying this same stuff about EJ? I guess maybe TCB wasn’t so off :) Have to rub it in a little! He’s got talent but enough is enough, he was terrible last night, minus 2 again, minus 8 overall and he doesn’t have a goal either or even 1 point at home (nor does SOS). You aint winning many games when your top center and top D don’t score a point at home in 5 games. He needs someone to coach him or he will continue to struggle. The guy is a beast but he doesn’t use it at all IMO.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

You seem to take joy in being intentionally obnoxious.

It's all about the O'

by SteveHouse on Nov 3, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

More and more so. Sometimes it’s funny, but it’s becoming increasingly tiresome.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was just stating my honest opinion. I don’t think the thread would be enjoyable if we all just sit here and say homer comments. I like the Avs but I’m trying to be objective, I think that’s what makes these posts fun. EJ has been bad and when the coach is saying that in the Post today I think it’s a fair statement. Do I want him to be better? yes. But he’s a first overall pick and saying he doesn’t know how to play basic hockey is a joke. That is stuff you should have already learned a long time ago.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s difficult and often futile to try to explain the difference between arguing differing positions and being purposely confrontational and disruptive. In an effort to be concise, I’ll just encourage everyone to have a good sense of humor, be patient and conciliatory, and don’t take anything personally.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

just trying to be the voice of reason!

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’re awfully lawerly today, Joe. Been observing in court, by chance?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m glad I didn’t watch this one. The home ineptitude has got to stop.

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by tbonius monk on Nov 3, 2011 4:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Empty seats and little to cheer for. Enos must be proud.

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by tbonius monk on Nov 3, 2011 4:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Concerning?

EJ + Hejda = -17 at the moment…
20 even strength goals thru 12 games….
6 GF in 5 home games….

by Mapletreemarty on Nov 3, 2011 5:40 AM MDT reply actions  

they don’t have enough talent to score consistently, I don’t think it’s (overall) a lack of effort. The 2nd line that could have been if mueller stays healthy is zilch and SOS is shitting the bed too so you have zero scoring depth on the top 6 if one goes down. You are looking at a bottom 3-4 conference finish unless they get (Whitney?- 2 pts last night again) some scoring help or maybe mueller somehow comes back healthy.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bottom of the conference? The sky is falling. Trade Duchene!!

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bottom 3-4 for sure, you tell me which 5 teams in the west they are better than right now?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Columbus, Calgary, Minnesota, Phoenix, St. Louis. Oh look there’s 5. I also think Dallas and Edmonton will come back to earth so that makes 7. Hey look! I did it.

I know you enjoy the trollish-tone of your posts, but until I see a repeat of last year happening there is reason for optimism.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hard to say the Avs are better than Phoenix is a thread dedicated to excuses on why they lost to them last night.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s a bit of an excuse, but Phoenix does kinda have our number. If you had watched only the Avs/Blues games from the Tank, you wouldn’t think the Avs were as bad as they were.

I think that Phoenix may be a bubble team with us this year, but there’s also a good chance the bottom will fall out from underneath them when their goaltending goes cold (goalies are streaky, it happens). We’ll see.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

thank you Dixo, he’s the troll and obviouisly will never give any credit to any of my statements but I know hockey well. Your comment to him is an example. We also got smoked by Calgary and dallas is at top of conference with some really nice young players and a great goaltender so far.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you just call me a troll? Really? I give no credence to your statements because they seems to exist for the purpose of either pointing out the obvious or angering people. Dixo was making a poignant point about my post regarding Phoenix and it was funny.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everybody, please step away from your keyboards.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Minnesota, Vancouver, San Jose, Nashville, Anaheim, Detroit, St. Louis, Calgary, Columbus.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, really? You don’t think Vancouver and Detroit will turn it around? Anaheim? San Jose?

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sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh, “right now”. NVM.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Avs are easily better than

Edmonton, Minnesota, Dallas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Anaheim, Detroit, Nashville, Vancouver, San Jose, Calgary, Columbus, Chicago, and St. Louis.

If they finish behind any of those teams, this season is a total failure.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

You forgot Poland.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

This team sucks. They will never be 8 – 4 so the season is over. Everything sucks.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 6:33 AM MDT reply actions  

This will get old quickly. No one is ledge jumping yet, but we are still seeing trends from the last two years. That also gets old.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 7:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am ledge jumping. No, but they still played well, it was just a weird game. There were scoring chances that just didn’t come. In the 2nd the Avs started demonating but deflated. I like that Sacco tried Duchene at wing but then reverted. I am still okay with the game, despite the outcome.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

excuses

They have 6 goals in 5 home games, that is not bad luck, period. They can’t win playing like that and chiavsfan is correct

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

So my excuse for them in that sentence was?

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

this one

" No, but they still played well, it was just a weird game".

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

They did play well. Not well enough, but well. It was a weird game in the slow pace and the clogging of the zone added by the bounces and the rolling pucks on Duchene, Helduk, Jones, and SoS.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

a 4-1 loss is playing well, I don’t want to see the score when they play a bad game. Dude, lighten up, I’m a huge Avs fan but coming on here and just saying they are unlucky is in all seriousness not being fair.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

When did I say they lost because of luck? Please find that comment and get back to me.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

They have 6 goals in 5 home games, that is not bad luck, period.

they also have 24 goals on the road. So they just completely forget how to play at home?

They have 6 goals on 158 shots at home, which means that Goaltenders save % at home this season is a cool .962.

Both of those stats both indicate STRONGLY that the Avs home struggles are due to bad luck.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

If only.

Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall…nevermind

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m allowed to complain, as I always support the team no matter what.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does Corsi take luck in to account?

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only when it doesn’t reflect reality. Then it blames it entirely.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have to admit I bailed on this one after that third period goal. It was some boring hockey. My son bailed on me in the first to go watch TV with his mom. Sad stuff. Still thought the Avs didn’t play that bad. At least the forwards. Except for Duchene. He just isn’t moving his feet enough.

by Rapierwhitt on Nov 3, 2011 6:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Stastny and Duchene had two of the best scoring chances. Neither could bury them. They are supposed to be your finishers. Hopefully those start going in soon

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

For a section of that game, those top three lines were running amok over Phoenix. It even prompted a tweet from AJ that I understood, just kidding AJ, but it’s true. These will start falling, they have to or else a change will be made. Still, 7-5 is fine. My hope is that the team is 13 and 7 at game 20.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 7:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

those top three lines were running amok over Phoenix

Yes, after Sacco changed up Stastny’s and Duchene’s wingers things got moving. Galiardi was energized playing top 6 minutes, Lindy looked better with Stazz, and Duchene had his feet in cement.

But overall the team has not found itself, they don’t play in sync. Not sure if it’s the new roster, young players, lousy coach, or the sad combo of all these factors.

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by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

There were a lot of additions and being only 12 games into the season, there is still more gelling to be done. At game 30, then the gelling time is not longer an excuse for me.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

How much longer would you give Johnson & Hejda together (-17)?

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

zero games, that’s been a bust so far. If they don’t score they at least have to take care of their own end.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Johnson is not good

From all the games I’ve watched him play, Johnson is simply not good. He’s supposed to be our number one D man but he doesn’t play like it.

What I hate most about Johnson’s game is the time he takes to get rid of the puck. In every single god damned game at least once, but usually several times a period, Johnson will hold on to the puck and dick around with it until two opposing players are right on top of him, then he’ll make a horrible panic pass that is usually a turn over, or he’ll simply pass it to the other team. What the f is he trying to do. He has the puck with open space, then he’ll stickl handle it until he has no open space, and he’ll wait until there is nothing he can do with the puck and then he’ll cough it up.

I know there are a lot of Johnson lovers out there (giggity), but he’s just plain bad.

by Kobbers on Nov 3, 2011 7:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Being bad and playing bad are different things. You’ll notice that whenever he has a bad game, it seems the team has a bad game and when he’s good, the team is good. There are other factors at play, but he is a big part of that. He seemed off last night and I think his skill level is so god damn high for a defenseman that sometimes he over plays (like Duchene). It needs simplification, but at 23 he has time to learn and mature his game. The raw talent is so evident.

A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.

by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, the talent is there. The decision making is the most frustrating part of it. I was frustrated with Liles indecision the last few years, but that was basically relegated to his time on the PP point. Johnson seems to have no problem with that part of his game. It’s his breakout passes, and his indecision in the Avs zone when he is under pressure. I also wish he would use his size a bit more.

I like EJ and I think this will all come eventually, but it is really frustrating to watch. To call him “not good” though is just not true

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like c6 said, he’s only 23. All of the mistakes he’s making right now can be corrected with a little coaching. The raw skills are there – all his game needs is a little tweaking.

Remember, if he had it all figured out right now, we wouldn’t have been able to get him. St. Louis would have never given him up if his game was perfect. He’s still a bit of a project, but we’ve got time. He makes a lot of good decisions on the ice too – we just notice the bad ones more. If he’s still making the dumb passes consistently 3 years from now, then I’ll be worried. But for being a 23-year-old 4th year player, he’s really not doing too bad even if he does make me want to throw something at him from time to time.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

A little coaching…that might require going outside the organization then. Not ready for that yet though.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

You beat me to it. I was going to ask if this coaching staff had the skill level to help him correct his game. I am not positive about that.

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by hockeymom on Nov 3, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

don’t you think St Louis tried that with a 1st overall pick? The guy has been playing hockey since he was 4, you shouldn’t have to coach him that much but I agree it’s his only hope. The stuff he is doing wrong is taught at pee wee levels. A pro coach should not have to tell him to not pass up the middle or get cornered trying to skate the puck out of the zone. His biggest problem is he THINKS he can do that stuff but he can’t. He’s not Bobby Orr.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trade him for a bag of pucks along with Duchene.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

He probably could do that stuff at the lower levels, but has a tougher time adjusting at a higher paced game. WTF do you pay an NHL coaching staff for but to help guys perform at an NHL level? Faster game, less time for decision making. It’s coach-able.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is EJ. Get used to it folks. He is still better than some of our other recent 1-2 defensemen.

by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess this makes me ask, how long do you give a player who is playing bad, and I don’t care what you say, he’s playing badly, before you call that player bad? I understand he has a tremendous skill set but so did Wolski. If Johnson fails to utilize his skills then he’s a bad player. Yes, you have to give him time, but how much time, and how many games? It’s arbitrary and completely subjective. If at the end of the season Johnson is a negative 20 with 18 points can one then say he is bad? Or will everyone still provide excuses? “He’s only 23,” or “He has tremendous skill but isn’t using it.” Eventually someone playing badly is just a bad player.

by Kobbers on Nov 3, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I completely agree on your assessment of Johnson’s puck handling in the Avs’ zone, but apart from that he’s been good this season. Now, the turnovers are hard to overlook and cast a big shadow over everything else, but even if Johnson continues to suck it hard at handling the puck (I think he can get better), the coaching scheme can be adjusted to help him out.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, me too.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

The whole D seemed off last night.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our D always seems to play shitty against Phoenix. We’re like their St. Louis Blues.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sigh. Avs break into the zone. Phoenix brings 5 guys back into the crease to stand in front of their (extremely large) goalie. Shake. Mix. Repeat.

That was a phenomenally boring game. Worse than Minn., I have to say. Sheesh.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 7:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Overall I thought the Avs played a pretty good game, despite.. you know.. not scoring.

  • Hejduk had some great chance. Two or three of his shots were less than inch from going in.
  • Gali looked good on the scoring lines. He created some good chances and in the very least looked fuck loads better than Koba-nothing-happens. Gali seemed to get time all over the place though. He started on Stastny’s line, played with Duchene & Jones and had a few other random occurances.
  • Another great game by the Thirst line
  • Noticed Stastny playing well, but zero points at home still. Story of the game, team seems to be doing little things well, but nothing going in the net
  • EJ with some crappy puckhandling. Someone sit down with this kid and teach him to handle the puck in his own zone please. Honestly, drills and practice can help this sort of thing or at least should be able to…
  • Varly looked good again

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 7:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Boring. Boring. Boring

I quit watching in the third period because it was clear the Avs were not going to score another goal.

If the crash-the-net routine isn’t working (because of the defensive style of the opposing team and a huge goaltender) why do they persist in doing it? Is there no ability to change the game plan?

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by hockeymom on Nov 3, 2011 7:56 AM MDT reply actions  

The coaching staff over the last few years hasn’t show much ability to change the game plan on the fly. When their plan works, the Avs look unbeatable. When a team figures it out, the Avs look miserable. There seems to be no in between

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

ayup

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this and this is actually a reason to discuss Sacco, not just that he sucks and Hitchcock would be better. He adjusted alot over the off season but needs to adjust more in-game; the best coaches do. If he doesn’t and the Avs can’t play different styles, then Sherman and PL might assess his coming back.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I still say the Jack Adams and the Avs playoff season had more to do with freakishly good goaltending, than it did the overall team. That’s just me though.

I am not in the Sacco completely sucks camp, but I just don’t find him to be a good coach. I always look to people like Tippett and Bylsma.

Bylsma has been without his three top players for what seems like forever. Or 2 of the 3 are hurt for the most part. His teams, still win at an amazing rate.

Yeah, Tippett is a trap guy and his style is boring. But his teams have overachieved with a few decent talents and a lot of plug ins.

This Avs team has talent, and some really good talent. But it never seems to be “put together” on a consistent basis with this current coaching staff.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

My biggest bugbear with Sacco

Is that he won’t change anything. I’m sorry, but even a 7 year old kid playing NHL12 knows that if he can’t score in one particular way, that he should change his attack.

Sacco seems incapable of adjusting his strategies on the fly. Driving to the net was not working last night, because the ’yotes had five men in the crease. The Avs would crash the net with 2 or 3, but they were still outnumbered. Did Sacco change anything? Nope. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Einstein said that the definition of insanity was to keep doing the same things and expecting different results.

As for EJ’s play, I thought he was delaying playing the puck, thereby drawing people towards him so that he could make a pass to an Avs player who had no coverage.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s fine. One goal. But when you are in as close as Duchene and Stats were last night, the goalie is usually down and doesn’t give you much to shoot at…lending itself to putting a lot of pucks in his chest

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

absolutely agree with all of this. Anderson stood on his head that year and masked a lot of their flaws.

My husband and I were commenting last night on how well the Pens have been doing without Crosby and, for the most part, Malkin. Do the remaining players have more talent than the Avs? No.

I have said before that Sacco’s inflexibility is his curse, and it may end up costing him his job.

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by hockeymom on Nov 3, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

And Stall, who seems to be off with little nagging injuries quite a bit

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tell me about it.

{Grumbles and looks at Fantasy roster}

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry dear

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Staal out, Gagne out, Mueller out, Kennedy out, Zajac out…. My team feels like last year’s Avs already!

{grumbles; sulks; checks available players AGAIN}

Health. When?

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is when it sucks to play in a 20 team league. There is zip on the unclaimed list.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty much. If my guys could just get healthy, they’d be a heck of a team!

….I feel like I’ve typed that a few times before. Deja vu! {sigh} Well, if my bad luck can siphon some away from the Avs, I’ll take it. {knock on wood}

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Health. When?

Even that phrase gives me shivers. Not in a good way

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

freakishly good goaltending

Unfortunately, that reminds me of Varly. What happens if he gets injured? Or goes on a cold streak?

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Giggy > Budaj

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, without a doubt, Giggy>Budaj

Anyway, we are 12 games into the season and we only have one season ending injury? What’s going on?

Too soon?

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, it’s not too soon and that’s the problem. Every time a major player of ours gets checked and is slow getting up, all I can say is “please don’t be hurt, please don’t be hurt”.

We’re Avs fans. It’s our job to be obscenely paranoid about injuries. We’ve been trained well.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

True.

I hated that elbow to Galiardi. How is that not being kicked out the game? So blatant.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of, there was a vicious elbow in the corner right in front of our section (120) that didn’t get called despite 2 refs staring right at the play. I was too busy yelling my fool head off about it to catch the culprit, but was wondering if the cameras caught it.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Surely elbows should be clamped down on as well? 2 minutes doesn’t sound enough for that.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they played an absolutely fine game for the most part. Playing like that will win them 3 out of 5 games.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, but it seems that every time they lose it’s “hot goaltender” related. They did play a good game, but still didn’t come away with a W. No shame in that…however…

The Avs may need to rethink a few things on offense, especially their crash the net style. The two biggest chances for the Avs in the early going were Stats and Duchene. Both of their chances came from right around the blue paint. This seems to happen to Stats a lot. Maybe back off a step? I know, easier said than done.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just a though, but it seems like the Avs’ offensive style more or less encourages a “hot goaltender”. Throwing the puck on net and hoping for a good bounce let’s the goaltender get into a rhythm. Most shots from last night were pretty low percentage. There was nearly zero separation of the Phoenix defense.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting idea for sure.

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by SteveHouse on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

There has to be some reason that every goaltender short of Anderson has looked awesome against the Avs.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Price and Quick didn’t look too so great…but for the most part, I will agree

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even though we didn’t get the W and we had a few mistakes, I don’t think we played that poorly. It actually was a pretty good game, especially when we managed to open it up and push the pace (aka play our game instead of theirs). We had a lot of good chances that we didn’t capitalize on, but I think that those will start falling once certain players wake up and decide to start playing like we know they can (cough cough Stastny and Duchene cough). Our defense didn’t look quite as good as they did against LA and definitely made some stupid turnovers, but overall, they weren’t horrendous. Honestly, if EJ gets pissed at himself and steps up, I think that will solve most of those problems.

The season is still young – I’m not panicking yet. I’m just curious to see how we bounce back against Dallas.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more with you here.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree. Some nights the puck just dones’t go in. I find those are the nights where you can either just brush it off as unlucky, or overreact. I thought the effort was fine and the play was fine, just couldn’t put one in. Not worried.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

If that’s what you think, Jibbles, then I am not worried.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

To clarify: not being sarcastic

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

It is. The Avs have two losses in their last 3 games where they had over 40 shots on net. Sure the Avs were down in both those games 1st, so some scoring effects come into play, but overall their play has been pretty solid. Sometimes you can’t account for a hot goaltender, or misfortune. In both those games they outshot their opponent in every single period.

The Vrbata goal was especially unlucky. He took a shot Varlamov was square to, it bounced off two skates and right back onto his stick, with the benefit (for him) of making Varlamov just slightly out of position. Credit to him for burying it, but that entire sequence is mostly bad luck.

Everyone’s taking their fine tooth combs to the game because they lost, and haven’t faired well in the results the last few games. But the team is playing fine. They had some good fortune in the first 6-7 games, they are getting some bad fortune now. Based on their platy this season 7-5 is about what I’d expect. I wish they would have extended some of those losses to OT for the extra points, but so far, after 12 games (14.6% of the season) the Avs are fine. I think the worst thing they could do is overreact to two or three losses where they really outplayed their opponents

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Vrbata goal was especially unlucky. He took a shot Varlamov was square to, it bounced off two skates and right back onto his stick, with the benefit (for him) of making Varlamov just slightly out of position. Credit to him for burying it, but that entire sequence is mostly bad luck.

And given the same situation at the other, too many of the Avs players would either shoot wide or hit the post. The Avs have had there chances in these games, but have been unable to bury them. If they can just calm down, tune their sights, get a little good luck instead of bad luck, whatever, if they can start to bury their chances they will be fine. Avs just can’t buy a goal at home right now.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you saying that they are gripping the stick? Cuz it sounds like you’re saying they’re gripping the stick. :)

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I bet at least 7 of 10 times Vrbata would have missed that shot too.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

These nights are too numerous.

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by CrankyPete on Nov 3, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

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by Thnikkaman on Nov 3, 2011 8:22 AM MDT reply actions  

But wait ...

Without Bryzgalov, that team has no talent and will suck. There must have been a scoring error.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 8:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Eh, don’t worry too much about it. Soon enough they’ll be in Quebec and this team will be the best thing that’s ever happened to hockey ever with the most talented players and most awesome awesomeness of all the teams in the league.

So, on a completely unrelated note, how ’bout them Jets?

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

They are busy at the buffet with Wellwood and Byfuglien

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

The buffet must be doing something because Wellwood has 5G 3A so far this season.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wellwood has a chip on this shoulder. Well, he did, but it was a Dorito and now it’s gone.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

i hate you

now I want Doritos.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s because Wellwood heard the puck being called the biscuit and he wanted to see where the “barrel” full of them was.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

They beat the Eagles 9-8, real defensive battle, the other day.

Waitaminute

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by SteveHouse on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Random Rundown of Thoughts on Last Night’s Game:

  • I wholeheartedly agree that stretches of that game were lousy from a spectator standpoint. Five guys laying down in front of the crease and playing chip and chase hockey all night isn’t fun to watch.
  • Goal 1 was on the D-pair. No lucky bounces, IMO. Morris makes a good dump cross-ice, EJ plays it weakly up the boards, on his backhand, into the legs of two forecheckers while his partner is going to the center of the slot. Had he “eaten” the puck or swung it behind the goal, that puck doesn’t stay in a problem area. Still… After his weaksauce “clear” get’s picked up by PHX, Hejda steps right into the rush, essentially forcing a pass across turning a standing 2-on-1 into a pick-your-poison moving 2-on-1. Why he didn’t take away the pass and let Varly take the shooter, I’ll never understand.
  • Goal 2 was a good hard play by PHX that came about because Hejda got turned around and then wiffed on a bouncing puck right in front of his goalie. Not sure how Vrbata snuck that past Varly as there wasn’t a good replay. Looked short-side though.

*Goal 3, I discussed above. Varly looked to play the initial angle well, recovered back to his feet after the rebound, but then didn’t make any adjustment on the puck. He seemed centered on the shooter. I really wonder if his instinct was the threat was gone either from Korpikovsky falling down or Quincey picking up the puck. His post-goal reaction seems to agree with that a little bit.

  • Everybody has talked about the “crash the net” style not working last night and I agree. The way you beat a defensive scheme like PHX and a goalie like Smith (IMO, I’m no expert) is to change the angle of attack. Smith is just too damn big to get him on an initial shot. You’ve got to drive the wing or slot and then dish the biscuit to get him moving. I felt like most of the Avs were moving in a straight line toward the net all night. Not necessarily a bad thing, but if you’re all moving in the same line, it doesn’t force Smith to move or get any of the D out of position. They didn’t even manage that very effectively on the PP.
  • All that said, one bounce goes our way or one of the scoring opportunities gets buried in the first two periods and the complexion of that game would have been vastly different.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 9:21 AM MDT reply actions  

I sure was getting tired of seeing his team logo get peppered with shots.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Avs applied some good pressure and at one point in the 2nd, it was like the puck had a magnet in it, keeping it in the ‘yotes’ zone.

But, I saw one stretch of play where it was chance, after chance, after chance and it was then, that I knew that the Avs weren’t going to win. Like you said, if a couple of those had gone the other way, it would have changed everything.

On another note, is it always that quiet in the Can? It really doesn’t sound like 15/16,000 people in there.

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by Nemesis44UK on Nov 3, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was pretty empty. Bunch of drunks around us too busy playing with themselves to watch the game. My voice is almost completely gone this morning though.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

The volume in the arena doesn’t really translate through the broadcast. I’ve been at games and then watched the reply on TV and it sounds vastly different. That said, snow like we had does keep people away. Oh, and it was the Coyotes.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was dead sounding, more than usual from the TV broadcasts I usually watch

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Goal 1 was on the D-pair. No lucky bounces, IMO

Poor defensive play definitely produced the situation, but the puck took 3 bounces off a skate and two legs prior to going in the net. Sure that’s what they were trying for (us too), but it still relied on a good bounce or three

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

But you don’t put yourself into a position where lucky bounces burn you if you don’t have two bad decisions and one bad effort, IMO.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that. It’s tough watching a bounce work for the other team and not for yours, but that’s how the Avs won most of their games the past couple years, so thems the breaks.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

And the Avs got a weird bounce with LA. These things happen. The Avs win 7 out of 10 games like that. Just not last night.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Here’s where I disagree with you a little. The Avs put themselves in a position for good luck more often than they did for bad luck last night. They just didn’t get the good luck, and got the bad luck. Unless they go out and dominate every team, nights like last night will happen.

And stretches like the last 4-5 games will happen, even with a team playing well. I’m disapointed in the results, but I don’t think this team is anywhere on the verge of a meltdown like last season. If they put up 40 shots a night (36 & 32 at ES repsectively) and it’s not an inflated number because they are trailing, then they will win games.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this too. Yes, there are additions that could be made and adjustments to play, but we’re not

on the verge of a meltdown like last season

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

What meltdown last season?

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by burgundyRainbow on Nov 3, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure even the Rainbow can spin having only 5 wins (1 in regulation) after January last season.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t January of last season just a little over a month ago?

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Nov 3, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

His post-goal reaction seems to agree with that a little bit.

I’m impressed that you can read his body language so well. I was having a hard time making out his mental state.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once you watch enough hockey you will be surprised at the acuity of your psychic perception.

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by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

So his somewhat shocked appearance isn’t a clue that he was unpreparedness for the shot? That’s not pop psychology, that’s observation.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

’Twas a joke, son.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, couldn’t tell.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 4, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the temp in here was a little high so I was trying to diffuse a bit with sarcastic wit. The problem is when the sarcasm is missed and the wit is lacking. Sorry.

by Andy_ on Nov 4, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really? Post after post saying the we had a good game.. We just did not get the win.. Hot goaltender..

Some of you sound like Sacco after every game last year. The only thing I agree with in almost the entire thread is that our scoring chances were not good enough. Sacco also has no ability to Coach “During” the game. That will happen when you have your talent spread to thin. Lots of shots but not always dangerous ones. Sacco thinks that its not his system its the players. It is a combination of both but I am also starting to think shaking the lines up as much as he does plays more into creating doubt among the players.

Who is going to be my wing next game now? Am I going to be centering the 4th line next game? Will I play the next game? End result the forwards are gripping their sticks to tight and their less focused on the game because they are thinking to much. Take a look at how long each of them hold onto the puck at times and then lose it ending in nothing happening.

Sorry but they looked uninspired, Sacco let Smith get in their heads before making changes to their attack. Then Sacco got into their heads by changing the lines and creating uncertainty. If the lines worked last game… Maybe its not the lines, maybe it is that your playing a different team so you need to adjust more than. “Duh get the fore-check going early guys”

New coach time.. AND new wing time!

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 9:44 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you until you claim it’s time for a new coach. They are still 7 and 5. It should and could be better, but still that’s ok. Why should we judge Sacco after 12 games? At least give him some time before we start calling for his head.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

We are not judging him over 12 games.. We are judging him over things we have seen consistently since hes been coaching this team. The players maybe developing but our coach is not. =\

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

So injuries last year don’t matter and the year before that they made the playoffs. I am not defending his ad infinitum but I just don;t see reason to treat him like he is Tony Granato.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Remember barely getting into the playoffs that year? Fortunately for us we were up high enough that we just barely had to play .500 hockey to get in. Injuries do matter of course.. But what did we win like 2 games out of the last 25 last year? Sorry their are examples a plenty of coaches adjusting enough to at least lessen the damage when their players are injured. The end of last season was just embarrassing..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I need to add a lot of the same things being said now about Sacco have been said for a while they were just not the main focus because of the other issues you stated. Like I said the team is better and developing but our young coach is not.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is absurd. Blaming a coach for a shitty situation over which he had no control. This #BlameSacco meme is tiresome and ridiculous until 1) more of the season is played, 2) the Avs are struggling, and 3) the struggle are a result of his “lack of growth as a coach” and inability to coach.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not blaming him for the injuries. You do realize this team has not consistently won with him at the helm through out an entire season? Even the first half of last season we were very inconsistant. Also notice the team cannot play through the lower teams in the league that focus on pure defense to get them by. We hate playing Phoenix and Minn.. But you have to win those games sometimes and that is up to the coach to figure out how to do. Watch us go right after Dallas because they will actually play an uptempo game with us. Sacco does not have to coach much he just unleashes our talent and we have a chance to win against good teams. I think this comes close to explaining why we lose against bad teams and win against good teams. “Sometimes”

You need to change the second one to “More seasons are played”.

I’m just saying some of the issues people bring up about Sacco have been said before amidst other losses even when the team was winning. It speaks more as to why we cannot win consistently than just talking about one game. The players get mad after a loss come back and play ballz out.. We win.. Next game we lose because they settle down a little. That means we are playing more based off of the teams emotional level and pure skill than a actual coaching system that harnesses their talents and keeps the team somewhat consistent.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

dear god. you’re right. Joe Sacco, 3rd year coach has not had the Colorado Avalanche, one of the youngest and always a cap floor team throughout his tenure winning like their a dynasty. Sacco was up for coach of the year just over one year ago, last year we sucked, some attributed to coaching surely, some to injuries some to luck some to just having a mediocre team. We are 7-5, we are currently in a playoff position. It is not time to panic and fire the coach, especially when there isnt exactly a top flight replacement waiting in the wings. Wanna bring up Quinn? 4 shutouts against so far this season? I didnt think so. Sacco stays because he’s keeping us in things thusfar and there isnt a better option available. I don’t know why you expect a young cap floor team that struggled so badly at the end of last year to be so dominant, we have a winning record, and yes last night was a shit game, but a coach can only do so much with the talent he’s given

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ive stated the reasons why I think we need a new coach. I will admit there is not many options out there at this point. Why is Hitchcock a bad idea again?

Sacco has not had it easy and I have not been on this boat until now. I am just remembering games (Wins and losses) over the last few seasons were some of this stuff may have been an issue that was just not at the top of the list because yes we did have all of those bigger problems. I remember similar complaints about him not adjusting during games and I think he is to volatile with the lines.

It has been long enough now that patterns have started to show through..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why is Hitchcock a bad idea again?

Because I enjoy watching this team and I’d like to keep it that way.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention this team is not designed to play Hitchcock’s style.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you thought PHX played boring hockey, look back at some of his Dallas and Columbus teams. He was most successful during the clutch and grab era.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

If the Avs dump Stats for Suter or Weber, they should probably hire Hitchcock to replace Sacco.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hitchcock…ugh. People with no neck bother me.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

So you’re definitely not a Barry Trotz fan?

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

He scares me, but he’s a hell of a coach. ANother trap guy though

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stastny for Bylsma (e4)

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Young , cap floor team. Issue number one.

by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 3, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, even the year they made the playoffs (just barely), the Avs still were top 5 in the league in man-games-lost. Perhaps that had some influence on the drop off the team had in the second half?
Last year the drop happens right after losing Stewie to injury and then Flash. Plus add in the whole Forsberg thing. As much as I love Forsberg, I have to wonder if that whole situation had some damaging affect on the team.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

As much as I love Forsberg, I have to wonder if that whole situation had some damaging affect on the team.

 I really doubt this, but you never know. He played two games. It’s not like he changed the whole dynamic of the team and then left.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

the buzz was a lot longer than that though, lots of practices, lots of media attention

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just don’t think that sort of thing has much of an effect on a team. At most it was one more, maybe this will help? Oh, nope.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

So when things are going bad and one more thing comes in and kicks you in the man jewels, do you break. Maybe it was the hair that broke the camels back? Maybe it wasn’t. Just a thought….

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know I had been hoping that he would toss this team on his back and get us out of that slump because, well, he’s PETER FORSBERG and that’s kinda what he does, but when he left like that, I felt completely deflated, defeated. I felt like our last hope just left. That’s the way the team played that night, so I’m going to risk some pop pyschology and say they might have felt that way too. Add in the media-fest and the injuries and it exasperated a bad situation.

Still, I’m glad he came back. I loved seeing him play in real-time. He’s my favorite player of all-time and it was an absolute treat.

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

The players get mad after a loss come back and play ballz out.. We win.. Next game we lose because they settle down a little. That means we are playing more based off of the teams emotional level and pure skill than a actual coaching system that harnesses their talents and keeps the team somewhat consistent.

I’m not trying to be a dick (but I’m going to be) because this is pure pop-psycology nonsense. First where is any proof at all that teams who go lose-win-loss are on some sort of emotional roller coaster? Detroit has lost 5 in a row, Mike Babcock must be a real shitty coach. Hey look at those 08-09 Wings They went L-W-L 5 timee in a season so they must have really sucked. They also lost 3 of 4 – 5 times, and had a five game losing streak.

Wait, no they had 112 points and won the President’s cup and made the Cup finals. Ok then.

And here’s a team that didn’t win back to back games in all of December this season. Their coach must have fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked

Wait, that was generally considered to be the greatest coach of all time, Stan Bowman, on the cup winning Red Wings Team. Well then.

No team consistently wins. None. Every team, including great ones, go through bouts of inconsistency during the season. This has largely to do with the fact that there are a number of other pretty good teams trying to keep them from winning too.

If you’re goign to criticize the coach, that’s fine. Completely acceptable. But I want hard facts and observations. Tell me what the team is doing wrong on the ice. Tell me what observations you have made to make you think that the team is “settleing in”. Do they sit too far back in their own zone? Do they only send one guy in on the forecheck instead of the normal two?

If any team settled in last night is was Phoenix after taking a 1-0 lead. Every time I saw them they had 5 guys below their own face-off circle. That, to me, is settling in.

The only actual coaching observation anyone has made on this post that didn’t have to do with some nebulous concept like chemistry, or “settling in” was Dario’s that the Avs probably weren’t dropping a defenseman in low enough when Phoenix was packing it in. And it was in the middle of a point on how the Avs were playing pretty well. But there’s a whole lot of speculation with little evidence to back it up.

It is frankly impossible to judge a coach over a small sample of games. 12 is a small sample. Maybe Sacco is making adjustments, but the players are stuggling to make them? Just cause a coach says “Do this” doesn’t mean it gets done right away. Anyone who has kids or works in an office knows this.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

No team consistently wins. None. Every team, including great ones, go through bouts of inconsistency during the season. This has largely to do with the fact that there are a number of other pretty good teams trying to keep them from winning too.

One more point: It also has a lot, (and I mean a ton) to random chance.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who tf was Stan Bowman?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Julie’s Dad. That’s how she got a job with the Avs (Obviously I mean Scotty)

Stan’s his son, no?

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

So THAT’S how Julie got a job. I always wondered…

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s certainly nothing to do with talent.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Broadcasting talent at least.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt there’s much other talent there, either. I’ve been wrong about that before, but never that wrong.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this but I think its obvious that a certain amount of consistency is needed. I think good teams are consistent in some areas of the game.

Why is it that your ignoring the fact that my comments are based on more than just this season? And this is all speculation.. but I am trying to base my opinion on what people have said and what I remember over the last couple years through Sacco’s time with the team.

“First where is any proof at all that teams who go lose-win-loss are on some sort of emotional roller coaster?”

Uh Vancouver…? Lol this is more of a joke than anything. If that is not the case then why do we do it so often? Unfortunately its been more like Loss, loss, win.. loss.. But hey..

Remember this is all speculation, and I love the power move.

“I’m not trying to be a dick (but I’m going to be) because this is pure pop-psycology nonsense.”

That is just as lame as my pop-psychology and not knowing how to spell psychology.. lol burns usually sound better when spelled correctly =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t even start on the spelling/grammar line, not when you’re posts are full of errors.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oooooh you awoke the Cheryl.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep I give up.. I don’t want any trouble. =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just keep the discussion on the topic. Don’t degrade into insults. mmmmkay?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Insults are bad, mmmmmkay.
You shouldn’t insult others, mmmmmkay.

(Sorry Cheryl couldn’t help it)

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

No need to apologize…that’s exactly from whence it came.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

You can’t do your dookies in the urinal, Mmmmkay!

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

He started it! jk =)

No really he did.. =P

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

“your” :-)

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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

All you are posts belong to me.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

that would’ve been awesome if it was intentional.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uh Vancouver…? Lol this is more of a joke than anything. If that is not the case then why do we do it so often? Unfortunately its been more like Loss, loss, win.. loss.. But hey..

You’re offering one team (one that went to game 7 of the Stanley cup Finals, no less) as “proof” of some ridiculous hypothesis? Why do “we” do it so often? Remember every team does it often. I bet you can find multiple instances of L-W-L and L-L-W-L for teams going back 100 years. And you can find it a TON in the last 10.

It’s the same reason if you flip coins you get H-T-H or H-H-T-H. Or sometimes you get H-H-H. Hell if you flip enough coins enough times you will get Heads 100 times in a row. It doesn’t mean there’s any kind of skill to it. It’s called random chance. There’s an enormous amount of it in work in hockey, and coaching.

Look Sacco was behind the bench for one season where the Avs massively over-acheived and one where they massively under-acheived. He plays a large role in that. But complaining about him after a poor stretch where they lost 3/4 when they have largely been holding the puck and putting more shots on nets than their opponents is just a bit too knee-jerk for me.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also for the record

This

"I’m not trying to be a dick (but I’m going to be) because this is pure pop-psycology nonsense."

Wasn’t any kind of power move. It was me saying "I don’t want to be a blunt asshole but I’m having trouble finding a way to sugarcoat saying “I think you might be full of shit”

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s an opinion.. Most of my posts are based on opinion and speculation or an idea. If you think that I am wrong fine. Saying I am full of shit is a bit short sighted or maybe even closed minded. Just my opinion lol. But hey what is it they say..? Opinions are like assholes.. Everyone has one. =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’re being martyred a bit b/c you keep coming back for it. Jibs is the solo squad for speculation squandering. No worries.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not always right and I enjoy a debate lol. I don’t mind =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also

My baby was up all night so I’m having a hard time sugar coating stuff.

I just find blaming the coach to be a very knee-jerk reaction, it seems a bit silly. If there’s real criticism that’s fine, but I find the “lack of consistency” or “motivation” stuff to be a lot of hand waving.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’ve brought up a lot of good points that wouldn’t have been brought up without the whole interaction. Totally worth while from my perspective.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should warn you that I, too, am full of shit. Take my words with a grain of salt.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

LIES!!!!!!!!!!

Jibbs your words are LAW!

<3

by Freakoffaleash on Nov 3, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish

blowjobs for me on all days that start with S & T!

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pfffft, I want them on days that end in “Y”

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to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

you can’t be too greedy

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about hours that end in “o’clock?”

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can I borrow some of your blue pills?

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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure I can. Whether that actually works out for me is another thing entirely.

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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teams “can” live or die based on how well their leaders motivate them and are able to adapt their leadership styles. People talk about Sacco as if he is full of positive energy around the team. Then its the hammer.. It surprises people and does not always have a positive effect yet he seems to use it with everyone.

Right now I see a correlation between his inconsistency in how he treats players and how much he juggles lines, and how this team is playing. They do not seem motivated at all. They seem like they are grinding out every play and holding on a little tight.

I could be way off.. I only watch the interviews and all the games and just about any video I can get. That is just my humble opinion.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I don’t see how you can say consistantly outshooting the opponant as lacking motivation. Last year when the Avs were consistantly outshot like 45-12, ok then. But this year they are outshooting their opponent.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

not only is it hand waving

I actually find Sacco gets good effort out of the players nightly, I’d say it’s his best trait as a coach. Sacco’s weaknesses are more around schemes, style, and chemistry imo.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

And his rebound control totally sucks.

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are probably right but being in the military and an NCO I tend to blame the leader. Obviously this does not apply as much in Hockey as in the military.. but they tell us there are no bad teams only bad team leaders.

I would not be truthful if I did not say that a lot of the microscope I put on the coach.. Not entirely but a lot of it comes from how Duchene is playing.

I have worked a lot with young teenage kids coming in the military and a leader can make or break them with the wrong kind of leadership techniques.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve made a career out of working with teens and young adults, and you can be the greatest teacher (leader) in the world and those you are leading can still falter no matter their skill level, especially when we’re talking over a short period of time.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, I was about to disagree but in the short term that applies. Everyone keeps assuming I am talking about 12 games. Mistakes are what we learn from and sometimes teach or mentor based on. I just don’t see Sacco adapting this practice. Anyone can see a kid of Duchene’s caliber and up down emotional behavior.. is going to respond poorly to stepping on his confidence.

I had guys I yelled at and made crawl through the dirt and they responded to it. I also had guys who would just become even more worthless the more I came down on them. Ive also taken kids people beat to hell and back that had no confidence. Gave them responsibility/encouragement how ever small and watched them turn into complete soldiers and great assets to the unit.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Corsiatti applaud you.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although this is more of a antagonistic statement than anything that I am about to make. I think it holds a little relevance. You don’t think you could eventually figure out that.. If I flip a coin at a certain height and with a certain amount of force I can get it to land on one side or the other a majority of the time?

I think your a little to stuck to statistics and who knows maybe I am a little to focused on the vibe I am getting while watching the team play. Coming off of a win they just did not seem to have their try hard faces on through this game. Literally..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

If I flip a coin at a certain height and with a certain amount of force I can get it to land on one side or the other a majority of the time?

YEs. But a weighted coin flip still will produce a lot of tails (assuming you’re going for heads). And it will still come in batches, and not any kind of consistent pattern.

And I thought they played well coming off a win and ran into a hot goalie. Hard to argue with 40 shots on goal.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your right, but why then did most of their shots just not seem that dangerous?

Maybe Smith just made it all look easy.. But he has not done that most of his career or even all of this short season. I don’t think we made Smith try hard enough besides the guy is HUGE..

Also I think if the lines are like they were in practice the “Quality” of our scoring chances will go up. As I also feel our offensive threats are spread a little thin trying to roll 3 lines. We are close but we don’t have the depth for that yet.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

He has been remarkably consist this season outside of his first start. That being said, it isn’t all him. He had 5 other goalies out there with him last night.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol I wonder if us cycling so much on the outside hurt us. I mean if they all collapsed that much. I think it would be hard to back-check through an entire team once they have the puck going the other way…

Now I am going to have to go watch it again to see if my theory is correct. =(

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

First I think Mike Smith has been an incredibly underrated goalie his entire career (outside last season, which he was battling concussions and sucked).

But more to the point scoring chances that don’t go in don’t really feel close. It’s a perception bias. The Avs hit at least 2 posts last night. There were multiple times I went “ooohhh” bemoaning a close call. But at the end of a 4-1 loss it doesn’t feel like they were that close.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember those but I also remember all the times the puck hit Smith square on or were slow shots from along the boards or high slot/circles. Wrist shots that probably should have been slapshots if they planned on crashing like that.

This game was bad for the “oooohhhs” but I was like “HOW THE HELL ARE WE BEHIND and not up by 5 in the Edmonton game.” This one did not have quite that feel.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which would you rather have? The team throwing a ton of shots at the net with many that hit the logo OR the team not getting many shots on because they’re looking for the pretty pick?

I’d prefer it if they threw everything and the kitchen sink at the net because the more you shoot, the more chances you have one will go in.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, how about both? Edmonton was a game I can scream that any other night I think we would of beat them with the way we played.

If they shoot that much with those top two lines in practice today. I will be drooling. I cannot help but think just about any play from Duch-Staz-Hejdy will be exciting. OR’s line in exciting because of their sheer will and skill.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I say it depends on the team your playing, Last night no when you have 5 guys in the crease throwing everything you go isn’t going to do anything if you don’t make them count because you aren’t going to get juicy rebounds and you are going to be outnumbered every time. I think this is where some of the criticism should fall on Sacco. He needs to go “look guys all these pucks on net are awesome but we are going to get the rebounds with them collapsing we need to pick our corners and make them count”. That’s my observation and considering I have never played hockey outside of street hockey pick up games as a teen and play it on the xbox but I feel I have picked up some things that work and what doesn’t. Like you stated earlier Sacco kept doing the dump and chase when it really wasn’t working things like this I have noticed the past two years. Sacco comes in with a gameplan if it works 9 out 10 times we are money. But if the other team adjusts during the game to Sacco’s game plan or even if it really doesn’t work at all (see Past Cal game) he doesn’t know what to do and seems to keep banging his head on the wall. And line changes are rarely if Ever the answer. Minus Duchene’s lines this year I didn’t see the need for all the shuffling. I think if he would just give the Lindy – Dutchy – Gali line some time to Gel we would be golden. We will see where this Dutchy to wing goes it might be great and I think Stats and Dutchy will compliment each other greatly but I think you greatly weaken our middle taking him out. Gali in my opinion excels at the Winger spot the way he plays his game I struggle to see him doing well with full weight on his shoulders. Maybe he proves me wrong I hope he does just hard to see.

by Freakoffaleash on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just cause a coach says "Do this" doesn’t mean it gets done right away. Anyone who has kids or works in an office knows this.

Or any one that has coached any sport at any level….there is a reason you have to practice some thing over and over and over. Habits are hard to break, especially bad ones.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Too many Red Wings

It's all about the O'

by SteveHouse on Nov 3, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh forgot one.. “bounces” yeah cannot forget that excuse. Either for or against us pick your poison.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sacco also has no ability to Coach "During" the game.

Please justify this statement with something other than line combinations (which Quenneville, Julien, Scotty Bowman, Dan Bylsma and a whole host of coaches do all the time and win cups) does all the time.

I’m genuinely curious what is going on with X’s and Os that make people think Sacco is an awful coach.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uninspiring loss = horrible coach. You know that. No further thought required.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Losses over two seasons and 12 games.. =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

True fact: good coaches never lose games.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

My coaching resume is a clean sheet for losses. Just sayin’

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I too, have never lost an NHL game as head coach. HIRE ME ALREADY

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

No but usually when they lose this many even the good ones get fired. Who coaches Chicago now? I think we fired that guy at one point..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

5? 5 is too many?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep I was just talking about the this season.. nailed it.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is

by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

love this, I’m stealing it. =)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stealing it? You mean even though it’s on the internet you can’t just use it as your own?

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

its ok. I give him permission to steal what i stole

LANDESKOG!!!!!
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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol first time I seen it so for me it is stealing it.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was commenting more on the way many of my students think.
‘Because it’s on the internet I can use it and it isn’t stealing/plagiarism’

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just think your view is too narrow, and you’re assigning too much blame to Sacco. Previous seasons were marred by big player changes, inexperience, fluky goaltending, MASSIVE numbers of injuries…and on and on and on. This year, the team is 7-5, with a stellar record on the road.

The coach no doubt plays a big role in every team’s success. He makes the line combos, calls the changes, and can be an inspiring force or a poisonous one. But there are so many other factors facing the team during Sacco’s stint that it’s difficult for most of us to toss him under the buss. Especially because he’s 7-5 so far this year with a stellar road record.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

*bus. Not sure how that extra S got in there.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can see your point. I guess we will know in a few months which of us it right.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, because losing with one team certainly means you’re a horrible coach that will never amount to anything, certainly not winning the Stanley Cup. Just ask Joel Quinneville.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stop! I did not say he was never going to amount to anything! This is getting a little crazy. He is a young coach and this is what we have to judge him by. I was fine until recently but I am just not his biggest fan anymore. “Speculating”

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

He also had a pretty good season with a massively undermatched team the year before no? So which season was the fluke?

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

His first year what happened at the end of the year? I’m not dumb I know it is not all his coaching. He did ride Andy a little too much that year and teams started to figure us out and our goalie. We fell like a stone in the last quarter of the season that year and barely made it. When we could of easily seen 6th with just a little better record at the end there.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

1. I believe they still had a number of injuries that season.
2. Still a young team (two 18yr old centers) who may have dropped off because they weren’t used to an 82 game schedule
3. Olympic break, not only did a lot of guys not play for two weeks, but young players didn’t play for two weeks.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

With me its more about when he does it and how much he does it. Referring to line combinations. He seems to do it a little to easily. I thought one post made a lot of sense talking about Phoenix bringing 5 guys back and us crashing the net with 2 or 3 guys. I am not a coach but I can see patterns like anyone else. You explain why we have been losing to bad teams that play hardcore defense only but winning against teams that will at least try to skate with us?

If we cannot play our style we just seem to run into a brick wall. It also does not seem like we can force our style of play either.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think they need to score first to force their style of play. Otherwise teams can sit back and plug up the crease. I think that’s where the dump and chase came from- trying to get around the defense with the speed.

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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rainbow started questioning our team’s talent last night after the game. Luckily Rainbow has Zoloft. Rainbow is happy again.

The team should be around 10-2 with the talent we have. They will crank it up soon enough. Phoenix was extremely lucky last night. The Avs will still secure the top seed in the West.

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by burgundyRainbow on Nov 3, 2011 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

See, I didn’t question the talent at any point in last night’s game. It was obvious that the talent was heavily slanted toward Colorado throughout the length of that game. I questioned some bad decisions and accept the bad luck, but not questioning the talent.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

And effort. I thought Colorado had that on their side as well.

That’s why I’m not worried. Talent and effort will eventually pay off (and has already). Now, if they lost hope early in the second and dogged it like they did last year I’d be worried.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not quite sure what everyone’s all up in arms about. I’m right there with you, Dario: effort, pressure, shots – it was all there. The defense was weak at times (esp clearing out the rebounds), but overall they played well. Teams sometimes lose games they dominate in this crazy crazy world.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can a brother get a star?

The Avs don’t have a single player in the top 50 in scoring, and our leading scorer is our “third line” center.

On the plus side, plenty of good seats available for upcoming games. Once again I feel like an idiot for prepaying for tickets.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

We had great seats last night, 120 row 14 (loved that angle) for $24 a seat which I thought was a great deal. Day of, could’ve had ones right next to us for $15. There should be ridiculously cheap tickets for Sunday’s game against Calgary too. If they’re still cheap for NYI, that would be a really fun game to go to.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

where do you get them cheap like that?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

stub hub

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

You be quiet about O’Reilly, he has 2 goals this season, that is on pace for about 14 this year. Also our “3rd” line that he centers is probably more like our 2nd or even 1st line based on how they have played..

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our third line is our number one line. Another big problem.

by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 3, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hence the quotes around third line in my post. I don’t consider it our third line at all, but that’s how it’s referred to for some reason.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

And there it is

Duchene to left wing

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice! I like it — if not purely from a fan’s perspective of enjoying new things.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even more, b/c this officially makes Radar our second center. Much deserved. .He’s been getting the minutes for it to be nominally true already.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

IMO, Not even under waterboarding could I tell you that Stastny has outplayed O’Reilly at center so far this season.

O’Reilly … you … you’re my No. 1 guy.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

My brother and I re-enact that scene whenever we’re together. We do pretty good Jack Palance impressions.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love this Batman…then Val Kilmer and George Clooney tried their best to ruin it.

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like Duchene on the wing.
not sure I love a line of Lindstrom – Galiardi – Jones

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel similar and I imagine if the Duchene wing test works, Jones will replace Winnik.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seems like that would work…but then we have a weak 3rd and 4th line

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

We do have a lot of 5th liners, it would seem.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

A weak 3rd and 4th is preferable to a non-producing 1st and 2nd.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

 BUT SACCO IS A SUXXXORZ WHO HASNT MADE ADJUSTMANTS FOR DUSCHANESZ ONCE THIS WHOLLE SEASON CUZ HE IS A BAD COACH

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of the Patrick Kane to center meme. Hopefully it works as well as Kane has there

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

Looks like Joe Sacco has decided to move Matt Duchene to left wing.
That’s where No. 9 is skating today at practice, on a new line with Paul Stastny at center and Milan Hejduk on the right side.
The other "top line" is now Lindstrom-Galiardi-Jones.
Landeskog-O’Reilly-Winnik remains intact.

Swap Winnik and Jones and we may actually have a legit 2nd scoring line (O’Reilly’s, of course). Actually, then I’d swap Lindstrom with subasew, as I don’t see Lindstrom adding anything as a 3rd liner at all. They have to do something to generate offense. I know they worked hard and got shots on net last night, but the top two lines still looked toothless in terms of quality shots. Smith didn’t have to play great. He just had to be in position.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kobasew is out. Porter replacing him on 4th line apparently

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Making the Winnik/Jones swap would seem to set the world in balance, wouldn’t it? Far more traditional lines that way.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love Winnik and I really cannot say much more than.. Why statistically at least in assists or something is he not keeping up with his line-mates? I can’t help but think that line maybe a little more dangerous with Jones there instead. So I have to agree. If it does not work put Winny back tho obviously.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Smith didn’t have to play great. He just had to be in position.

We are making these goalies look like heroes.

by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well I hope I eat my words on this. I don’t know who good this is long term because it hinders Jones significantly.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lindy-Gali-Jones does sound pretty underwhelming, but they won’t get a lot for minutes. I like Jones and all, but the two guys we need to have scoring more are Stastny and Duchene. This is a good whack at getting both going.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jones has pure talent and maybe he’ll get more time on the PP which is fine and if Mueller comes back I guess switching Duchene back is easy.

Just, something, not sure what, but something about this worries me. Maybe it will be great and Duchene will flourish in a less complicated role like this.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you’re choice is between using Duchene to his fullest or using Jones to his fullest, it’s an easy decision. It was clear something needed to change for Matt and I think this was one of the better options. We’ll see. Should be exciting to watch at least.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who is actually scoring right now? Jones. Duchene has been all about potential. Potential and $4 will buy you a mocha as Starbucks. I’m feeling the same way about EJ right now too. Lots of potential, little delivery so far.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t think he’s selfish, jerkish, or otherwise a bad person, but Duchene is just not producing up to his touted potential. That wouldn’t bother me if the Avs had other legitimate stars on the team, but he was supposed to be a star and he’s not playing like one. So now the Avs have to win games with a very expensive but just pretty decent center.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is about giving Duchene a better chance at doing that. For most of the year Duchene has been getting 3rd line minutes and played with AHLers. He’s shown he can produce before, 12 games should be reason to call into question his situation, not his inherent ability.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he’s underachieved most of his career, not just this season. 55 points in 81 games his rookie year, 67 in 80 games last year. These are fine numbers, and of course they’re reliant on his teammates to a certain extent (and boy, last year they were bad), but he’s never produced star player numbers or consistency. He’s not a reliable go-to guy. You can’t build an offense around him. He’s super young, and he’s of course not playing in a vacuum all by himself, but stars elevate the players around them, not lower themselves to mimic their linemates’ weaknesses.

I admit that much of this turns on the subjective opinion of what a “star player” looks like, and opinions will differ. But Matt Duchene, after 173 games in the NHL, just doesn’t look like a star player to me. I am not happy about this or gain any self-satisfaction from holding this opinion. I would prefer the opposite.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who are you trying to compare him against?

He’s on par with Tavares, who was drafted ahead of him. He’s been a more valuable player for the Avs than Hedman has been for TB. Hall, JVR, Turris all produced less in the same stages of their career.

Are you comparing him to Stamkos and Crosby? If so, you’re right. Duchene isn’t either of those guys and likely won’t be. Either we’re expecting too much of the kid or we’re expecting it too soon. Seriously, in a re-building year, you’d rather stick Duchene into minimum minutes so we can see David Jones on the top 2?

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I’m comparing him to my own subjective view of a “star player,” which he wast touted as being when he got picked in the tip top of his draft year. 67 points in 80 games, comparable to some of his peers or not, is not really a noteworthy achievement in the NHL.

Seriously, in a re-building year, you’d rather stick Duchene into minimum minutes so we can see David Jones on the top 2?

I made no recommendations about which line he should play on or how many minutes he should receive. He’s a good center who puts up decent numbers. He’s got a 13% lifetime scoring percentage which is very good. My only assertion is that he was touted as a super-talented star player and has not lived up to that, which is disappointing. He has lots of ability but has not converted that into above-average offensive production, which is his job as a top-line, “face of the franchise” center.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eh, sorry. I was grouping you with the other detractors on accident.

For me, Duchene hasn’t reached his potential yet but certainly hasn’t proven he never will. But, as you say, we both have/had our own subjective view of what he would be when the Avs drafted him.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope he’s just a bit of a late bloomer and really blows up into the next Crosby (without all the whining, diving and concussions). I’m also a fan, and think that if upping his playing time is the way to get him scoring more points, Sacco should up his playing time.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve got my “Defend Duchene” cape on right now, but I don’t think he’ll ever approach being as valuable as Crosby. Wouldn’t even consider it a long shot, honestly. He might test for the Art Ross a couple times in his career, but I doubt he’ll be a perennial favorite.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Added to that is that he plays in the West so that excludes him for all awards.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s been a more valuable player for the Avs than Hedman has been for TB.

I think more than a few people would disagree with you on that one.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Myself included

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah? I’d be interested how you’d make the case.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would too. I think Hedman has been solid for Tampa but not quite as important to them as Duchene has for the Avs.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

For the first several games, he was lined with Hejduk and Mueller. Granted Mueller wasn’t right physically, but I don’t group Hejduk with “AHLers” He had Lindstrom and Jones last night. OK, Lindstrom hasn’t proved himself yet, but Jones led the team in goals. In neither case did he or his line produce at the rate we need from a 1st or 2nd line. I only recall him being on the lower lines for 3 games, which is not “most of the year.”

Bottom line, the guy needs to produce no matter where he plays. If he’s 4th line, he’s facing 4th liners and should be cleaning up.

I’m not questioning his ability. I question his production.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Duchene is 13th on the Avs roster for ATOI. I’m all for questioning his production, which is why sticking him with Stastny and Duke is a good decision. Hopefully it will spark his production. I think it’s a much better decision that to simply expect him to pull himself out of a slump playing with Lindstrom and rotating-guy on the third line.

If he’s 4th line, he’s facing 4th liners and should be cleaning up.

I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. Maybe it is?

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he’s 4th line, he’s facing 4th liners and should be cleaning up.

Wouldn’t him playing on the fourth line against fourth liners just make him try to do everything by himself, something a lot of people have been bashing him for?

IMHO, if we want to see the best in him, he needs to be playing with wingers/centers that can keep up with him, his moves, and read what and where he’s going to try to go, and get into position to help him out and/or finish off what he gets started,

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to see more EJ bombs from the point on the PP

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see him get out of his own end with control of the puck. His decisions have been late and bad.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree 6 whores. Jones has pretty much been our best pure scorer this year and this kinda screws him. Also yes something about this drastic of a change in lines for an over .500 team seems to desperate to soon.

Maybe Sacco has been reading MHH and since he has no better ideas he is taking advice from some of the people on here. Next ting you know there will probably be some big trade announcement.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree I’d rather see this:
Duchene-Stastny-Duke
Landy-OReilly-Jones
Lindstrom-Galliardi-Winnik
McLeod-McClement-Porter

Its not perfect, and I hate to split Winnik off, but I think its worth a try at least

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Move Winnik, Duke or Jones. It’s not an easy choice, but that’s what it is.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

This really consolidates our minutes to our top guys, which I like.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Duchene sticks with Stastny, I could see Sacco moving to this combination once/if the Radar line slows down in production.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like that line up. Worth a try anyways.

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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Landy-OReilly-Jones

This is bound to happen at some point I think. Winnik might be holding them back.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I think Winnik is holding them back, but I think Jones makes that line very dangerous, instead of a great “third” line.

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to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense. The one thing I like about this is the 3rd line knows they are the 3rd line..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would love this. I might like McClement up on the 3rd too, making that a real shutdown line.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, including the adjustment.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t the 3rd line supposed to be more of an energy line?

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s the third rail.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t piss on it…it will light you up, and not in the good way

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only under very specific circumstances.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

ya think

The Avs just don’t have the talent right now, if Mueller is healthy and playing with duk and Dutchy, maybe a whole different story right now. The fact is that 39 Ray Whitney has way more points than anyone on the Avs. Zero points at home by EJ and SOS says a lot and luck has nothing to do with it. You would have to be unlucky not to have at least 1 point. Gali has 1 point, that’s a top 6 guy, please. It’s been tried with him, he’s a nice role player but if he scored 13 goals this year it would be a miracle. They need to make a move and add some scoring. You take away a 7-1 Ottawa game and Montreal game and they have scored little.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well to be correct, take away those games and, the Avs have score 21 goals.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

right, so 2 goals a game and you aren’t going to win much with those stats. Everybody thinks it’s a matter of lines but to me that has nothing to do with it. They just don’t have enough scorers. You see what happens when one top 6 guy goes down, it basically ruins them. They need to make a trade, Rene, Whitney, something. That’s what would reall yhelp IMO.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Strawman. I was never claiming that was enough, I was simply stating that they have scored goals in the other games especially when in three of them they scored 1 or fewer.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

i was just making a statement, I never said you claimed anything.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Zero points at home by EJ and SOS says a lot and luck has nothing to do with it

Wrong.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

In his defense, Jibbs if SoS and EJ only play at home that would be meaningful. But since both are on the Avs travel squad, his argument is invalid on its face.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

True. If they were 12 hgome games, it may have more meaning.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

really

Is there another team in the league who’s top d-man and top center don’t have 1 point at home?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who’s the Rags top D-man?

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rangers.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

staal but he’s hurt so maybe Girardi, point?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Going for the easy answer to your preposterous statement. Until last night the Rangers had played 3 “home” games so chances were good they’d have low point totals, especially having lost 2-of-3. But I forgot that Richards had a good game against Ottawa. Still, parsing data like you’re attempting to do does nothing but highlight the statistical issues that Jibbles is talking about.

Here, I’ll illustrate: The top C and D for the Rangers have 9 and 6 points respectively after 11 games (technically 7 away and 4 home). Richards has 9 points in eleven games and 3 of those came against Ottawa!!! Are they talking about trading him? Girardi has 6 points and 11 shots on goal while QB’ing the PP. Almost none of those have been on the road. How do you expect to win in the NHL if you can’t score on the road?

You see my point? You can parse the data to reinforce almost any conclusion you want to WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A HANDFUL OF GAMES FOR DATA!!!

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 4, 2011 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well I hate to side with Jibbs on this but Staz does have 7 pts.. Wait that looked good 2 games ago.. Home road what ever I don’t enjoy seeing our two top flight centers underachieving. I think that is the point..

I would take my 1A and 1B centers back over O’R’s break out start any day. No offense Radar! Maybe they will give each other a boost though. I will say this that will at least be a lock down faceoff line..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

What does “at home” have to do with anything? Is the game at the Pepsi Center really that much different than on the road, to the point their world class abilities don’t translate? Do you think there is some mystical force that is keeping either of them from playing well in Denver, but once they break out of the bonds of altitude they can score points? Maybe there’s a layer of atmosphere at 5,000 ft that zaps them of their special Kryptonium abilities. Maybe Road groupies give them power. Maybe they skip games and go out drinking together and let their inferior clones play in home games!

Personally, I like to think they really hate “Rock and Roll Part 2” and they purposely don’t score in the most passive-aggresive silent protest ever concoted.

Or there could be a much more likely scenario, called statistical oddity. It’s the same one that shows up when stuff like “The Redskins final home game before a Presidential election has accurately predicted elections for 50 years” and “famous people always die in threes”

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

nothing to do with it, I’m just saying zero points for those 2 in 5 games and usually guys play at least as good at home as on road. I see, it’s just coincidence.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly it’s a coincidence. So stop presenting it like it’s anything earth shattering. I can pick 5 games where the best players have no points.

All that said, it’s still more relevent than ±

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

bullshit, them not having 1 point in 5 home games is earth shattering cosidering how much PP time they get alone.

The +/- thing we can argue about but I’m telling you it matters and to hockey coaches it’s one of the most important stats. Lindstrom got the norris last year but a lot of the hockey pundits said he shouldn’t have got it b/c he had a bad +/- on a good team.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

to hockey coaches it’s one of the most important stats.

I hate to admit Jibbles is right, ever, but in this case he has convinced me. Comparing EJ to the other All-star defensemen his numbers are similar. He has convinced me the stat is nearly worthless.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

it depends on a lot of factors, I’ll give you that but if a guy is +30 vs -30 I promise you I can tell you which guy MOST people will say is having the better year. I realize I’m not going to get anywhere on this but the coaches notice. The situations vary but basically you are on the ice for lots more ES goals than you score there is generally at least some correlation to how you are playing. Let’s move one though, we can agree on that!

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

+30 vs -30

Your new current +/- leader: Matt D’Agostini!

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bad link, try again

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

very solid player! on a losing team and he only has 6 points! my kind of guy :)

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go ahead an bet that the 9 has more to do with his goalie not missing any shots while he 1+3+5+29+30+31+32+33+34+63+67+57+58+59+60+61+62+64+65+66#" target="new">happens to be on the ice, rather than anything he’s doing.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

that’s where you are wrong, he plays both ends of the ice and doesn’t get benefit of scoring a lot of points. Radar will almost always have a good +/- b/c he’s responsible in his own end.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh jesus

Unleash the Jibbles Condescension Machine!!!

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Unless he plays with EJ on a bad day and then, who knows.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

IT wasn’t up for debate. The Blues Goalie has a 1.000 save % while Matt D’Agostini happens to be on the ice. That’s lucky. That’s also why he is +9.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please keep going.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s 1/5 of the people on the ice. He doesn’t have that much control over it.

Look, after 12 games, if a goalie saves every shot you happened to be on the ice for, it’s extremely lucky

When that goalie happens to be (mostly) Brian fucking Elliott, it’s a god damned miracle.

So, with your “good backchecking” comment you have now inferred that Matt D’Agnostini is so good defensively, from the wing position, he can turn Brian Elliott into the greatest goaltender in the history of the planet, AND make his four teammates the best four-some since the Beatles.

Or there’s my point of view which is: he’s been pretty fortunate

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

them not having 1 point in 5 home games is earth shattering

Exaggerate much?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

it kind of is when you think about it, I can’t imagine that’s ever happened many times in league history

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Show me the stats that support this claim and you’ll get my attention.

Until then, I’m still going to balk at the idea of two hockey players not scoring goals in their home rink as being earth shattering. Earthquakes…now they’re earth shattering.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how but I would bet it hasn’t happened to often! I’m just having fun but it’s a little alarming for sure.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

See, that’s my point. It’s not alarming when they’ve played FIVE games at home. That’s it. Just five. To have a five game dry spell is not that big of a deal, especially when points are being put up in other games.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

here’s what is a big deal, 1-4 at home, worst in NHL. Been fun kids, glad I could be your entertaining whipping boy today. Have a great night to all. Watch out for Subaru driver’s tonight!

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see you’ve doubled down on the “Passive-aggresive silent protest” scenario.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s doubled down on being a douchebag for no reason. I have had a lot of scotch after work so I feel the need to use invective.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

mmmmm scotch.......

although it’s international stout day so I’ve been drinking those mostly

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lindstrom got the norris last year but a lot of the hockey pundits said he shouldn’t have got it b/c he had a bad +/- on a good team.

And a lot of hockey pundits are fucking morons:

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

indeed

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

don’t rip on a guy who beat a fan up in the stands with his own shoe!

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Plus/minus

This is a panel from the most recent MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, which is dedicated to discussing the “increasing role of sports analytics in the sports industry.”

On this panel were executives from the Blackhawks, LA Kings, Caps, and the Penguins. Also on the panel was Jim Price, creator of RinkNet, which is used as a scouting database by many teams, including 29 of the 30 NHL teams.

The Hockey Analytics discussion was recorded for posterity. The discussion of +/- starts at about the 33:00 mark, when the moderator asks: “Do you think plus/minus is essentially, not irrelevant, but getting close to it as far as a metric for players?”

The Caps guy (Don Fishman) says:

I think all 30 teams would agree that just taking a +50 player and comparing it to a +20 player on different teams is absolutely meaningless. We just traded for a defenseman who was -36 for another team (NOTE: I think he’s talking about Dennis Wideman, who was actually -26). That’s because it was a poor team. I think he’s a good defenseman (laughter).

The Penguins guy (Dan MacKinnon) says:

How valuable is it as a stat? If you’re Nick Lidstrom, since the year 2000, you’re gonna be the best plus/minus player in the league. You can recognize superstars, but it’s so easy to recognize superstars. It’s the guys in the trenches, 3rd lines, getting the touch matchups game-in game-out, you know, whether they’ve done a good job or not…doesn’t really reflect their plus/minus.

The whole video is worth checking out if you’ve got an hour or so to spare.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom was a minus player last year so not sure these guys are the standard by which to judge the stat. If you take 2 teams with the same record and then compare then I think it’s a relevant stat. Obviously, you take a fiorst place team vs a last place team it doesn’t correlate. But let’s say your team finishes first in the NHL and you are -20, does that say something?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you take 2 teams with the same record and then compare then I think it’s a relevant stat.

Buffalo ’10-11 96 points
Chicago ’10-11 97 points

So you’d take Steve Montador over Duncan Keith or Tyler Myers?

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

why do you think the post was talking about EJ’s -8 if it has no bearing also?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because they have no other numbers to use that they think are better. Same reason Cy Young has often been determined by ERA and MVP has been determined by BA and RBI.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

thank you for helping my argument 100%, you are a gentleman and a scholar!

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Um, no?

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

here we go

So a pitcher’s era is not relevant to how good of a pitcher he has been?? please explain?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Viz. bq. thank you for helping my argument 100%

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Baseball is not relevant.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent point. Is the World Series over yet?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, you think BA and RBI mean something too?

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep, I do. How it’s quantified does matter but BA esp. does matter. Why exactly would it not? I think if you look at the top 10 BA players you would see a trend towards good players.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here is a bad player with a good batting average

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pierrju01.shtml

Here is something thoughtful and interesting about baseball stats:

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2010/10/talkin-baseball-stats.html

This is also worth reading, too:

And the whole statistical line — .220 used to mean something, 18-4 used to mean something — is just whacked. Sure, it means something. I don’t think anyone would say there is NOTHING in batting average, wins or RBIs. Other stats just mean more. In 1973, Jimmy Wynn hit .220. He had a better year than Willy Taveras, who hit .278 in 2006, and a better year than Randall Simon when he hit .301 in 2002. Only four pitchers in baseball history have gone 18-4, and they all had good years, though I suspect most would agree that Mark Portugal’s 1993 wasn’t as good as Roger Clemens’ 2004. Anyway Roger Clemens’ 2005 was better than all of them and he went 13-8. As for RBIs … I would hope that George Brett’s 118 RBIs in 1980 might carry a little more weight in the mind than Dante Bichette’s 118 RBIs in 1997. Neither was as dominant a year as Barry Bonds in 2002 or 2004 — two of the more remarkable years of the last 50 — and he didn’t get to 118 RBIs either time.

by DiD on Nov 3, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

who’s better? Matt Kemp or Ian Stewart?

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree

Hinderstrom.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Somewhere Adrian Dater is rolling his eyes at me.

Maybe
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 3, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Waaahooooooooooooo!!!

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Nov 3, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

3rd A and DL

I liked when the post game review stated who wore the 3rd “A” for the game. Perhaps a running tally of how many times they wore it could go along with the info.
This may be a naive question, but why don’t they put Muller on the IR list? It seems silly to have him take up a roster spot and continue to sit every game.

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by Light the Lamp on Nov 3, 2011 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

They don’t really need to put him on IR yet. They still have Porter who is sitting most nights so they don’t need the position. If they did put Mueller on the IR and use the position to call some one up from LE, who do you call up? Does that player eat nachos in the press box or play. If they play, who sits?

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

also

Can they put him on IR and still count his salary against the floor? If not, it isn’t an option. His valuable concussion induced press box munchie skills are needed for salary floor purposes.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

IR does nothing to the salary floor. A team can, however, go above the cap by the amount of that player’s salary.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whew! Enos approves of this rule.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pekka Rinne 7 years 49 million

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Good for Nashville, but damn that’s high for a goalie.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

too much IMO, and for too long. I dont understand long term goalie contracts at all

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

he’s the best player on the team and the main reason they are competitive. You could make a case he’s the best goalie in the league. Also, SOS at 6.6M makes that signing look like a good deal to me.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s elite. That is elite numbers. Only injury could derail the value on that contract, IMO.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good thing goalies never get injured.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

LANDESKOG!!!!!
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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn’t you just break one of the ten commandments or something?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think posting a picture of a Red Wing in pain is contrary to MHH policy.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

but joe, the sacrilege of posting Lord Howard in pain…

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I DENY THE DIVINITY OF THE HOWARD!!!

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Instant Rec.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

The timing is pretty omniscient as well.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m still giggling.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I heartily endorse this move.

Mostly because it appreciably increases the chances of either Weber or Suter in a unipron.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

2nd highest paid goalie in the league now, i mean… he’s really good…. but 7 years? lots of time for things to go sour

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

I don’t think he’s worth it. Sure he’s good but playing behind Nashville’s defense and systems made lots of mediocre goalies look good. Rinne is good but I think it’s Nashville who makes them look great.

Unfortunate for them I thought in the offseason they should’ve traded Rinne to the Flyers for a good centre like Giroux or something.

Flyers did end up moving a centre and bringing in a goalie. I think Nashville missed out there.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

On the plus side, Weber and Suter’s status with the team now has to be a little more up in the air. Not that the Avs would spend money for a good player or anything.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

It also makes Nashville a better trade partner than the Avs for teams with offensive depth looking for D.

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by MalachiConstant on Nov 3, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

HockeyBreak Hockey Break
If Suter or Weber cannot reach an agreement with Nashville, the Avalanche have been keeping a close eye on them…

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stastny going the other way?

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait, so we’d move Weber from D to LW? Otherwise how does that help the Avs?

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

SHEA WEBER WOULD HELP THE AVS BY EXISTING.

No seriously.

Johnson, Weber, Quincey, Hejda as a top 4? Drool.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

We wouldnt need to score goals with that

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

They’d still have Duchen – Radar as a 1 -2 punch.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is Duchene the one getting punched?

Hopefully it gets him angry and the other teams don’t like him when he’s angry.

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by Americanario on Nov 3, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

His superpower is to spin around until he loses the puck?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

“Come one, come all to see The Whirling Dervish of Denver wow and amaze children of all ages. You’ll be on the edge of your seat to see the league’s most ‘almosts’ and ‘so close’ attempts on net.”

Perhaps he should consider figure skates? The toe pick worked in the Mighty Ducks.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right, no doubt. Weber is a great D-man. But who scores the goals? I acknowledge that Stastny has not been threatening to topple Gretzky’s goal records, but cutting the offense to further stack the defense on a team without a trapping coach? I just don’t see the wisdom here.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but I think of OReilly can break out this season, keep up his production through the deadline, it becomes a legit question

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

If I had any faith in the Avs to spend money, I’d say moving a $6.6M salary for a $7.5M salary and finding that scoring through FA would be a great option. But I lack faith.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Weber was the points leader for that team last year.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

So move him to LW!

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shea Weber: The Power Forward We Need

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nay, the Power Forward We Demand!!

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

That also means Elliot and Barrie can season in the AHL and be mentored slowly. Or moved for winger help.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nashville has been looking for a decent top line centre for about a decade now.

Stastny is the best case scenario in my mind if the Avs trade for Weber. The alternative is they trade Duchene for him.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Stastny fits well with Nashville because of his two way game, but it would take a lot more that just Stastny to land Weber (I’d rather have Suter anyway)

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

How many teams would be dangling a better centre than Stastny?
I think good teams wouldn’t want to mess up their chemistry and I don’t think there are many bad teams with a better centre than Stastny.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would be flabbergasted if Nashville didn;t want SoS. The salary issue is one thing, but still.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

but it would take a lot more that just Stastny to land Weber

This is why I don’t necessarily like the idea of trading for him. Also do you think just because we trade for him he’d give us a discount to sign instead of trying free agency?

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also, Sutter is a UFA after this year. I assume he would be looking for a payday and a chance to win, which means a team committed to putting together a strong roster.

Neither of which the Avs are likely to provide.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your assessment. I think if the Avs make the playoffs, they will start consolidating their core and an addition like this could be worth it. An addition will have to come, based on my model for Enos, in the form of a wing or defenseman.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

and in all honesty. I think the Avs are closer to winning a cup than the Preds. Hell, i think most teams are closer to winning a cup than the Preds

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s what I hope will happen and believe somewhat believe will happen. But proving it to a guy like Sutter would be a tough sell don’t you think?

He’s an upcoming UFA so you’d want him signed long term before moving someone like Stastny for him.

If you’re a player are you going to commit the prime of your life to a team who has picked top 3 twice in the past 3 years and has been hugging the salary cap floor? You have nothing but management’s assurances that the team really isn’t that bad and they will spend big money. But you have no way of knowing if that is true.

by NEB on Nov 3, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

We should not trade our offense for more defense.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any question the Avs have been considering this. Along with a lot of other teams. The Avs could offer something worth while, but other teams could as well. With that massive Nashville contract for Rinne I expect one of those two to be gone. That at least leaves the possibility of the Avs being in play.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

things could get interesting, especially if one hits ufa. The question if you’re Nashville, is who do you kepp?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

things could get interesting, especially if one hits ufa. The question if you’re Nashville, is who do you kep?

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

wtf? keep

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Go lay down.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it’s Suter, and boy would I love that.

by thedoctor on Nov 3, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s worth it. Sure he’s good but playing behind Nashville’s defense and systems made lots of mediocre goalies look good. Rinne is good but I think it’s Nashville who makes them look great.

Excuse me what? What mediocre goalie has back-stopped Nashville and been great without being an elite netminder in his own right? Are you talking about Chris Mason? The half-a-season starter who lost his job to Rinne? Or maybe Dunham who was the expansion stop-gap for a few seasons?

For all intents and purposes, Nashville has had to Elite goalies since their inception of the supposed system you’re touting: Vokoun and Rinne. Vokoun was criminally underrated while in Nashville and Florida and Rinne is really fucking good.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

His body language is excellent, and don’t get me started on his rebound control.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

This may be in the game thread, but did anyone catch on of the all-time great Sunnyside moments last night? He was talking about Phoenix being 3-0-1 against the Avs last season, but said they played all of their games from January 6th on. Then he added, “When the Avs were less than outstanding.”

Less than outstanding????? Interesting synonym for “putrid beyond belief.”

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

You know what? I did catch that, and almost rewound it to make sure I heard him correctly. THat guy…

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Technically that’s true, though. The Avs were definitely less than outstanding.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

By just a bit

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s that Canadian understatement. He just kills me.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Outstanding > Avs > Tebow

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

So the Avs should draft Luck?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

They haven’t had any so far.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Luck has quantifiable stats and will blow Corsi’s mind.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

MHH

Where less than outstanding is pretty damn close to putrid beyound belief.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

New Tag Line DDC

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I heartily endorse this.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

You have the power to change it right? Do it Joe. Do it. You know you want to.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not the top dog anymore. I defer to David’s better judgment.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

DDC can’t even decide when to put up a preview thread. The Avs used to win games when they went up at 9.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

So you’re saying it’s DDC’s fault instead of Sacco’s? Remember all the blame must be assigned to just one person.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

#BlameDDC

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wholeheartedly endorse.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

USA Today Rankings

Link

Not vitally useful, but Avs rank 9th in strength of schedule. Good thing to remember that they have beaten good teams.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Per Dater

D pairing changes coming as well.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Hunwick in for EJ?

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hunwick WITH EJ. A turnover in the D zone and the O zone…holes in the O zone?

Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

by chiavsfan on Nov 3, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have soda in my nose now because of this comment. Thanks lmao

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Johnson – Wilson
Quincey – Hejda
RSOOBB

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that what they were late last night?

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s my guess. Forgot that part.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, after changing the forward lines Sacco changed the D pairings. Our pace picked up but we could not score (TWHS).

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by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s what I thought too. I don’t like the Qunicey-Hejda, mostly because I thought O’Brien and Quincey were working well together.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alright! Bring on the Holos!

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by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 3, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stastny for Parise

…and…GO!

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

LET’S MAKE THIS HAPPEN

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would they let us fly into Newark with large caliber weapons? Because, that’s what it would take. Lou is not letting go of Parise unless you hand him a Stanley Cup in exchange.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll hand him the Stanley Cup in exchange.

Why the Colorado so few scores?

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 3, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

By that I meant cleaning out your roster so that he’s guaranteed to win a cup.

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by Busted Twigg on Nov 3, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, actually win it? Because I, too, would be happy to hand him the Cup.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least they still have Brodeur.

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by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have Stanley’s jock strap I can offer him. That’s close to the same thing, right?

by Andy_ on Nov 3, 2011 6:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

No Ott

Steve Ott to miss friday’s game. Chances of cheap shots drop from fair to slight.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Brendan Morrow is still playing though?

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

HIZ DA CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

A lot of the reasons above are why I suggested Quincey for Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson. We should not give from an area of weakness to strengthen an area of strength. (Wow lol) I also admit as much as I would love to take Alex Semin off of Washington’s hands. We are not getting anyone of that caliber until the off season.

Could Elliot step in and take Quincey’s role.. Not entirely but MPS would fit in our rebuild. If we could then also somehow procure another scoring winger. IE.. Semin or Parise in the off season we could really and truly roll 3 dangerous lines next year. I also think Duchene would give MPS a spark and vice versa.. Duchene could really benefit from a developing powerforward. Unfortunately/Fortunately O’Reilly has laid claim to the one we just drafted lol. MPS could also gain from Duchene’s offensive skill.

I would love to have two Landeskogs on this team. Even if MPS seems to be the poor mans version at this point.

That is just my new dream cast lol and I am sticking to it!

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Semin on this team would be a bad idea, and not just from the horrible pun standpoint. Right now this team has plenty of skilled guys but lacks in the skilled+hard-working department. Semin is definitely skilled, but he’s really streaky, somewhat injury prone, a flight risk to Russia, and isn’t a guy that will win a ton of battles in the corners, especially in the Western Conference. His price might be a little high, IMO.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am unsure about that. I wonder if he was brought to a team to be a pure talent scoring threat and not a leader if he would do better. Sort of liek Hossa who couldn’t ever really LEAD a team, but adds that threat constantly.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would have to hope that all the character we have in our locker room would rub off on him a little. We might also need a player like Guerin here soon. (probably spelled that wrong did not feel like checking.) Or just make Sakic hang around the locker room and the team before after and during games?

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, he IS on the team’s payroll, and if we remove a pane of glass, he COULD have his old locker back…..

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s expected to be a leader on the Caps. He’s supposed to be the second line scoring winger. Ovie is the leader, both from a pure leadership standpoint and from an “on the scoreboard” standpoint. Backstrom has more leadership qualities on that team, from what I can tell. Also, they have a really good mix of vets up and down the line-up to provide leadership and defensive responsibility. I’m fairly certain 95% of Semin’s job is to score goals.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fuck you and your logic. That was my last bastion of reasoning for him being an Av.

No, I actually think Sherman and Pracey will look at him.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

agree, they need a power forward type. Semin disappears all to often.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

In my experience, Semin’s usually all over the place.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Semin can be explosive in spurts.

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I watched the Caps vs. Ducks the other night, and the announcers actually pointed Semin out and said, “this is why he can be so frustrating at times” due to his inconsistent performance in the game.

Granted, they were VS announcers, so take that with a grain.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

he has talent for sure but that’s always been the rap on him plus he’s a finesse guy and the avs are stacked with those types. They need a power forward who can hit and get some dirty goals in front of the net, not another player who plays on the fringe. A Jamie Benn type or Neal, etc.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

We should try to find a player like Chris Stewart of the Blues. He is a good scorer and physical and deceptively fast.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, now you made me cry

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Call him up, then!

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we need VTcapsfan’s professional opinion on Semin performing in spurts and being all of over the place. I imagine she is more of an expert on that then most of us guys.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is she an expert?

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well maybe not an expert, but she seems to more than most of us about caps players.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Did she watch the replays?

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by andidee15 on Nov 3, 2011 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Semin performing in spurts and being all of over the place

Fruit doesn’t hang much lower than this.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

DO NOT CLICK

A man with elephantiasis disagrees.

Seriously, don’t click that link.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I looked at the trap, Ray.

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by Dixomatic on Nov 3, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

God dammit, you KNOW I’m going to click on something that says “do not click”. Actually, that wasn’t that bad. If you want bad google “Blue Waffle”. Yeah, don’t do that. Really, don’t. It grossed ME out.

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by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess cuz I used to teach sex ed, it’s meh for me. A week of slides and discussions x 6 periods a day = immunity to that sort of stuff.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need the mind bleach. I’ve seen gross nasty STD’s, but this was by far the worst.

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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you’re having 6 periods a day, you need to see your lady doctor.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 4, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but before it disappears its usually involved in “SCORING” first. =) lmao

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see that but I also see stars when I think of Staz feeding him the puck.. So pick your poison lol

I am not so sure I agree with the hardworking statement about our lineup. I think it’s more of trying to shove a square peg in a round hole.. Trying to put a bottom six player in a top six role. That is even worth it when the guy has the potential to be there. As of now the only guy that even has potential to be there now is Lindy. Galiardi is awesome in short fill ins on the top six but is better suited to a 3rd line role where he can chip in here and there and create havoc. So he is valuable in that way but I don’t think we will ever see him put up a 20/30 or 30/20 type season even. He just does not put up points as much as I like the guy.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:53 PM MDT reply actions  

My bad that was in reply to Mike

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jibbles happen.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s why you should always carry a towel.

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by burgundyRainbow on Nov 3, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol yep I forgot. Facepalm!

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

My point was, if you’re expecting SoS to do ALL the work in the corners for Semin, you’ll be disappointed. And if you expect Semin to go into the corners for SoS, you’re dreaming. At this point in the season, Lindstrom is Semin. Put somebody on a line with him and SoS that will go to the corners, dig pucks out, stand in front of the net, cycle, etc. and is still a threat to score on the rush, and you’d have a great line. Unfortunately other GM’s just don’t give those guys away. Jones fits that role, but he’s getting the line shuffle lately.

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol I honestly am more focused on getting someone we could mold into our type of player and that has a lot of upside at this point. MPS or Lando could easily be that guy your talking about. My original post was more about MPS. The other guy with the name I don’t want to say any more (lmao) would be a good pickup in a hossa type role like the Hawks did. If we are there this off season it would be worth it to go after him is all I am saying. lol Which is totally redundant considering you posted that to.

The idea is that we get both and build a strong but diverse top 9. MPS now would be more valuable because it would do him more good to develop with Duchene than wasting on the Oil’s 3rd line.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

MPS ain’t going nowhere though unfortunately. Lando is that guy but they still need another PW type. Doan is a FA next year and he would be a great fit as he can still play and would provide great leadership and would likely be the captain as well. give him a 2 year deal. Fleicshmann would be mighty nice to have right now too. But for now, anybody who can score would help, thats why I like Whitney as a rental this year and he would come pretty cheap.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Doan looks like he can still contribute another two years I would be on that like white on rice. Hes is another guy that could fit in top six or depending on the depth be a 3rd line guy also. Although I hate Hartnel but now that there is talk of him being for sale I would buy into that as well.

The leadership and physical play would be valuable with either of these guys.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

no question on Hartnell. Doan has 10 points and I think he has 3 good years left. Wonder whatit would take to get Hartnell??

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know at one point I was reading stuff about the fact that he may be an odd man out here pretty soon. So maybe on the cheap as basically a salary dump for a mid pick. At least that is my hope if they really view him that way.

Who knows if you can trust HockeyNews speculation sometimes over the stuff I come up with on my couch. Who knows…. I can wish though.

Realistically I would give up a 3rd rounder for him and a low level prospect. But we have the need and they don’t so..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

a third and say Gali I would do that in a heartbeat. I think it’s more like a 3rd and Barrie though.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really that much for Hartnel? That would be really tough to stomach..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I must retort.. I still like Galiardi.. even though he has basically brought zero as of late. He was put on the 3rd line though. “Here is to hoping he does good tomorrow as a 3rd line center”

I need a Galiardi homer off button maybe then.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

he has 12 pts, 2nd on team this year and had 24 goals last year and 50 points, plus he’s big and nasty, great for playoffs. he’s only 29, so not that old yet. I think he would get thaty from lots of teams, who knows, maybe the salary issue wuld push it down b/c most teams are strapped to add his salary.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ahh yeah in that case I would jump on that.

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know at one point I was reading stuff about the fact that he may be an odd man out here pretty soon.

Then they let him skate a few shifts with Giroux and Jagr. He is pwning everybody now.

Opportunity gone.

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by Hopfenkopf on Nov 3, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

exactly, they need a grinder with some hands to do the dirty work. Stewy was a good fit for SOS b/c of that. That’s why those shot totals from last night don’t matter to me, mostly all from the outside. They need to get traffic and dirty goals from scrambles, that’s how you get on the board against a hot goalie.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

They're just getting their losses out of the way early

I’m looking forward to the opposite of last year, when we get better and better and better as the season goes on. My money’s on a 60-20-2 record

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Nov 3, 2011 3:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually I was thinking that earlier.. Kind of like Phily the other year. But they where actually picked to be good. And I woke up and realized the trade I made for Rick Nash to play with Stastny was just on my PS3.

I got pissed again after that.. =(

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

couple positive thoughts

I actually think Yip and Olver will help them when healthy, both have some offense and would allow landy to move up to 2nd line without crushing the 3rd. Olver has good hands and can definitely generate a little offense and Yip has shown flashes of scoring ability. Kobasew was a waste at this point. They could have went after Ryder or somebody else possibly.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Yip wont be helping anybody except to carry their bags from the team bus to the hotel.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

he’s no crosby but I think he could help a little on the offense. I would imagine he will get a chance so we will see.

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

He may not be Crosby, but he’s getting Crosby for us. He and a third that is.

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Nov 3, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

he did have 12 goals last year on a bad team so he has some ability, better than chucky and no worse than Gali or Lindy I think

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man, MHH is sounding like Toronto Fan. Which is cool because you’re passionate. But sucks, because we’re acting like Toronto fans.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Don’t worry. I plan on alerting the troll signal before tomorrow’s game to make it more exciting.

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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would agree except I am not quite sure our 3rd line is good enough. Those guys have 20 goal scoring Selke finalists with experience on there 3rd line.

by cush52 on Nov 3, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

What is it? The cussing? Arguing? Name calling? Trade proposals? All of the above?

I am still not sure we fit though. They practically take over neutral websites. We do it within the confines of our own teams website..

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s just the tone. One loss and everything is broke. One win and Winnik should be nominated for the Selke. It’s like MHH is PMSing.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I don’t understand this whole sky is falling thing. Especially after a game where overall we didn’t really play that poorly. Hell I’m feeling good enough about the team to go watch them play Calgary and after last

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I didn’t think I’d be able to stand to do that for a long time…..

by chetmanley on Nov 3, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

It is not the one game. lol No one wants to argue with me over this stuff when we win and that whole good mood thing…

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

We’re just one loss closer to our total losses of the year (somewhere between 8 and 20)… This just means there are more wins in the future!

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by Pyotr09AVS! on Nov 3, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

and Dario is sounding like Jim Rome. By the way, I am Tebowing after every post. Take that!

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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh, I did go Romey there. Not sure how to put it in a non-Rome way, but good call.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok I know this is late but really? Rinne at 7×7 for 49 mil? I think my calculator is broken. He just got 7 mil a year? Suter is ours! Well at least it is a good chance he will be the odd man out if they sign Weber..

(And yes I know that was posted. This is my turn to be surprised)

by CobraAcesS on Nov 3, 2011 3:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Vokoun has got to be pissed.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on Nov 3, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

he should fire his agent. How he got 1.5M (same as chucky) is beyond me

by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

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