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You Sure About That: Weekly Fight Recap (and other ramblings)

So here it is. Another week goes by, the Avalanche are being mediocre, but now is as good as time as any to do it resting on a string of wins. Lets get it going through boys, because lets be honest, we would rather you did not have these breaks.

But to keep with my general topic here, another week goes by with not much to talk about. Andy Sutton makes a dirty move on a minor, gets hugged for it by Shane O'Brien, and eventually shannabanned for 5 games (until november 11th, Remembrance day) against the deadthings. Im sure everyone has seen the fight thanks to a special editor out there, but I am going to re-post it because, well, thats what I do, and thats what I like to do.

Star-divide

 Here is the fight here in case you missed it: 

Andy Sutton vs Shane O'Brien Oct 28, 2011 (via hockeyfightsdotcom)

This gets a 2 only for effort. From the standpoint as far as great fights goes this is far from one, but the reasoning behind it is great.

Obviously not much to say here, so I am once again going to improvise this week. I am hearing, on the radio, by word of mouth, in TV and in many different written sources opinions on hockey fighting that are sometimes misinformed. A lot of people hate to hear this, but I think hockey fighting is a part of the game that is hard to understand if you have never been in the situation. I am not saying that I am a pro or anything like that. But I have played competitive hockey, and did fulfill the thankless role of protecting my teammates. But this site is packed with people who do have an inside look, because to be honest, you guys are some of the best around when it comes to our beautiful obession, for lack of a better word, of hockey, and talking about hockey (obessed is a word the lazy use to refer to the dedicated). Because of that I would love to hear what everyone thinks in the comments.

Lets have a brainstorm here. Someone, in the topic bar, present an argument for either side, and we will discuss that in the following comments. This way multiple comments can be made on the aspect most of us love, while still maintaining positive feedback and discussion in the pursuit of knowledge. The flow will go from there.

Some of the topics that may be discussed:

  • The need for fighting: Past VS. Present
  • Staged fights.
  • The role of the goon.
  • Protection of players.
  • Momentum.
  • Fan Attendance.
  • Essence of the game.
  • Because I like it and I said so argument

Also, Thanks to all the Men and Women serving in the Military out there as we approach Remembrance day, and all days for that matter. You guys are awesome, and we all cannot thank you enough.

 

HOW ABOUT ANOTHER POLE!? YAY

Poll
I feel that fighting in hockey....
Is needed
31 votes
Is unneeded
2 votes
is.... uh...... I dont really know. I am undecided.
8 votes

41 votes | Poll has closed

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Topic: There shouldnt be devoted goons in the league

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 3, 2011 1:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I think at one point there was, however in todays league they are obsolete. Yes there are guys who fight more then others, but if you look at fight leaders (right now zenon konopka) they have other roles as well ie faceoffs (in this case), penalty kill and third and fourth line roles.

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 3, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, pretty obselete. It is unnecessary to have a dedicated Koci cause they just waste time and money with being unable to actually play hockey. Fighting on the other hand needs to stay in the game. It has always been in its past and always should be. I hate how NCAA doesnt allow it (without fine+suspension), but good thing Juniors does, because it actually prepares them properly to play in higher competition. It is unique to the game and provokes intensity and heart which is necessary in this sport. It is a blue collar game, but unfortunately non-hockey fans are against it because it is “barbaric” “violence-provoking” and “unethical” (bullshit). KEEP IT IN THE GAME

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by avsfanatic33 on Nov 3, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love it.

In regards to the goon topic; Most players today are not dedicated goons. Most of them bring something else to the table, usually solid defense. Another great example is Matt Carkner of the Senators.

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 3, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

This. Goons should not be allowed in the league.

by KD1 on Nov 3, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Fighting on the other hand needs to stay in the game. It has always been in its past and always should be"

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 3, 2011 2:33 PM MDT reply actions  

non-hockey fans are against it because it is "barbaric" "violence-provoking" and "unethical"

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 3, 2011 2:44 PM MDT reply actions  

I look at what Dave Semenko did for the Oilers and Gretzky, and where the league is now without their poster boy (Crosby), and I think the answer is obvious. The league will not protect the guys that need it, so fighting is necessary. Also, get rid of the instigator. I think that has caused more issues than it solved, particularly an increase in staged fights that allow the perp to get off scot-free. The “don’t hit my star or my goon will fight your goon” is no deterrent to guys like Clutterbuck or Cooke.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Nov 3, 2011 9:10 PM MDT reply actions  

This

"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

by David G. Little on Nov 4, 2011 10:04 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

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