ZOMG Line Change!!!
By now, most of the modern world has heard the news that Matt Duchene practiced today on a wing (zoinks) with Paul Stastny and Milan Hejduk. As an added shocker, the guy who will center Matt Duchene's old line will be Tim Tebow!! Wait, some of that information might be somewhat incorrect. Maybe I should investigate this line thing a little further before speaking.
First off, here's a look at the totals by each of the forward lines through the first twelve games.
| G | A | Pt | +/- | PiM | Shots | Hits | BS | SF | |
| 1st Line | 9 | 9 | 18 | -8 | 6 | 84 | 20 | 26 | 780 |
| 2nd Line | 8 | 6 | 14 | -9 | 10 | 75 | 18 | 17 | 759 |
| 3rd Line | 8 | 13 | 21 | -2 | 14 | 98 | 49 | 16 | 853 |
| 4th Line | 2 | 1 | 3 | -3 | 13 | 28 | 49 | 7 | 484 |
First, it's important to point out that these stats are a rough approximation. Each player's points gets assigned to the main line he played for that game. So, when Kobasew scores a shorthanded goal assisted by Landeskog, it counts as a goal for the 4th line (Kobasew's that night) and an assist for the 3rd line (Landy's), even though they were the only two forwards on the ice. Make sense?
Second point: as more than a few have suggested, we probably shouldn't be calling the 3rd line the 3rd line anymore. That line has more points, more shots and more shifts than any of the other Avalines (groan) this year. Oh, and they've been the line that Sacco has thrown out at the start of 24 of 36 regulation periods so far this year. The Thirst Line has been consistent, scoring in 8 of the 12 games to date and the most physical. All of this is because they play against the weakest competition in the history of hockey (waves at PPP guys). Also, because they are really good.
| G | A | Pt | +/- | PiM | Shots | Hits | BS | SF | |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 0 | 8 | 4 | 0 | 67 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 66 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 68 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 2 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 63 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 0 | 0 | -6 | 2 | 9 | 5 | 3 | 83 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 1 | 1 | 2 | -2 | 0 | 7 | 6 | 4 | 66 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 0 | 0 | -4 | 0 | 9 | 3 | 2 | 69 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 2 | 3 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 7 | 15 | 0 | 86 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 74 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 13 | 2 | 0 | 66 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 70 |
| Landeskog - O'Reilly - Winnik | 1 | 1 | 2 | -2 | 0 | 11 | 2 | 1 | 75 |
Needless to say, this line hasn't change one bit and rightfully so. While I'd put the odds of this line staying together for all 82 games somewhere around the chances I have of watching an entire episode of American Horror Story without hiding my eyes and screaming for help, I think they'll be together for the immediate future.
The 1st line has had some tweaks, but one really nice constant: Milan Hejduk. Hejduk is off to his normal steady pace with 7 points in 12 games. Of course, Matt Duchene's 6 points is an unmitigated disaster because it's all about the 1 extra point. At any rate, this "1st line" has 9 goals in 12 games and points in 8 of the 12 games (echoing the Thirst Line).
| G | A | Pt | +/- | PiM | Shots | Hits | BS | SF | |
| Mueller - Duchene - Hejduk | 0 | 0 | 0 | -3 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 62 |
| Mueller - Duchene - Hejduk | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 3 | 60 |
| Mueller - Duchene - Hejduk | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 0 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 69 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Hejduk | 4 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 11 | 0 | 3 | 54 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Hejduk | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 65 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Hejduk | 1 | 0 | 1 | -1 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 5 | 63 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Hejduk | 0 | 2 | 2 | -2 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 3 | 58 |
| Jones - Stastny - Hejduk | 2 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 83 |
| Jones - Stastny - Hejduk | 0 | 1 | 1 | -5 | 0 | 13 | 1 | 1 | 69 |
| Jones - Stastny - Hejduk | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 1 | 61 |
| Galiardi - Stastny - Hejduk | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 69 |
| Galiardi - Stastny - Hejduk | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 0 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 67 |
This line, of course, is expected to change on Friday with the move of Matt Duchene to left wing. And here's something that I think people might be missing on this. You might think this is to break Duchene out of his so-called slump. Or, this move might just be because the left wings on this line have a measly 4 points and 24 shots (Hejduk has 33 shots). We - the 99%ers in the fanbase - have been saying all summer that the Avalanche are too thin at left wing and, gosh darnit, they sure are.
So, I like the move of Duchene up to the first line to hopefully get a little more offense generated. Unfortunately, that doesn't do much to help the line we've been calling the 2nd line this year. This line has the lowest offensive numbers of the top 3 lines. Certainly, Chuck Kobasew didn't put up the offensive numbers (1 point in 10 games on the line), but he's not alone. Joaqim Lindstrom has 0 points in 5 games on the LW here and is looking kind of Hlinka-like while Duchene has 1 point in 4 games as center here. Now, Joe Sacco is turning to T.J. Galiardi to spark things here. I like that he's getting an opportunity to center a line; I'm just not sure I'm ready to buy into this yet.
| G | A | Pt | +/- | PiM | Shots | Hits | BS | SF | |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 63 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 3 | 67 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 2 | 6 | 5 | 1 | 72 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 64 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 4 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 7 | 1 | 3 | 73 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 68 |
| Jones - Stastny - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | -2 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 63 |
| Lindstrom - Galiardi - Kobasew | 1 | 1 | 2 | -2 | 0 | 5 | 2 | 1 | 54 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Kobasew | 0 | 1 | 1 | -3 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 57 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 55 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Jones | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 58 |
| Lindstrom - Duchene - Jones | 0 | 0 | 0 | -3 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 65 |
The 4th line has been fairly consistent in both personnel, lack of offensive production and dearth of ice time (averaging about 40 shifts a game vs the 60+ that the other lines are getting). The group does have 49 hits, tied with the Thirst Line and I think they've looked pretty good when they do get a chance to get out there on the ice. They aren't here to put up gobs of points...which is fitting because they aren't.
| G | A | Pt | +/- | PiM | Shots | Hits | BS | SF | |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | -3 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 42 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 10 | 2 | 47 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 5 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 40 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 50 |
| McLeod - McClement - Porter | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 37 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 34 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 34 |
| McLeod - Duchene - McClement | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 42 |
| McLeod - McClement - Galiardi | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 32 |
| McLeod - McClement - Porter | 0 | 0 | 0 | -3 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 38 |
| McLeod - McClement - Kobasew | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 43 |
| McLeod - McClement - Kobasew | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 45 |
I think what surprises me the most about the lines so far has been that Sacco hasn't made many changes. Lindstrom replaced an injured Peter Mueller, Duchene was moved around a bit to send a message and Galiardi traded places with Kobasew (a good thing). Compare that to the first 12 games last year where players were all over the place. I like the consistency - keep the stuff that's working, be patient with what isn't and make some tweaks when you need to. Moving Duchene to the wing isn't a minor tweak, but it's certainly worth a shot. Sacco has been saddled with a ridiculously thin corp of wingers and it's already hurting the team. Perhaps this will end poorly, but it's time to give it a shot.
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Now this is the kind of hizzle I expect from DDCfoShizzle. Well done. But please change our tag line to “Less than outstanding.”
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 6:26 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
…. but a hell of allot better then the 2010-2011 season
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I <3 Johnson
by SurfaceThought on Nov 3, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s DizzleDizzle-Chizzle now.
And it’s off the hizzy.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I would say this is pretty good evidence that Mueller is gone, daddy gone.
Overall I’m happy though, I hope Duchene gets at least a decently long audition… I’m interested to see what he looks like spending more time up in the corners and doing the dirty work, and hopeful that with less pressure to perform on the other end of the ice that he will turn into a scoring machine.
Supporting efforts to create a genetic splice of Jonathan Herrera and Troy Tulowitzki since 2011.
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I <3 Johnson
On Mueller
He’ll have more time to blister in the sun. Add it up.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 3, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually no. He started skating today.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
On black painted ice, with soundproofing on the boards and no lights in the arena and a welders mask for a visor.
Maybe
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
He skated a couple of times after he was benched, and the coaching staff swore he “wasn’t injured.” How’d that turn out?
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Even if he is cleared to play, isn’t time for him to be sent down to the AHL to prove he still has the ability? The Avs don’t exactly have the luxury of icing a guy who needs to practice a ton to make up for missing almost two years of hockey.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
After being out for a certain time, he can be sent down for a “conditioning stint” and not go through waivers, but he is limited in the amount of games he can play.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
why dont we do that then?
"The last three or four reps is what makes the muscle grow. This area of pain divides the champion from someone else who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger
by David G. Little on Nov 4, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know why
a Galiardi-Stastny-Jones and Lindstrom-Duchene-Hejduk combination wasn’t given a shot before this. Duchene’s a center. I think we’re under-utilizing him anywhere else.
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Lindstrom – Duchene – Hejduk 4 2 6 4 0 11 0 3 54
Lindstrom – Duchene – Hejduk 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 5 65
Lindstrom – Duchene – Hejduk 1 0 1 -1 4 6 0 5 63
Lindstrom – Duchene – Hejduk 0 2 2 -2 0 5 1 3 58
http://www.milehighhockey.com/2011/11/3/2536612/zomg-line-change
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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 3, 2011 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lindy – Dutch – Duke was tried. It didn’t work. But I agree that moving Duchene will probably under-utilize him. I just hope I’m wrong.
Long term though, I think that if the Avs can find the wingers to make 3 scoring lines work, that’s the way to go. We obviously have the center depth to make it happen, and with Landy, Duke, and Jones, we’re halfway there. Who knows – maybe Mueller, Gali, Winnik, Yip, Kobasew, Lindstrom, Olver, or Hishon fit into that picture and fill those lines out. Maybe we’ll find someone through trade or FA. But if we can make 3 scoring lines work on a consistent basis, other team’s defenses are going to have serious issues with us. 3 consistently solid scoring lines with strong centers and competent wings will make up for the fact we don’t have the talent to make 2 completely deadly top lines. I’d hate to see us jeopardize that long-term by keeping Duchene at wing.
Maybe Dutchy excels at wing. Maybe he’s better at center. But either way, in the short-term, I’m okay with the move. I just hope management at least considers making 3 lines long-term because it makes sense with the players we have or might be able to get.
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I think wing might be a good fit for Duchene
It’ll give him a little more freedom to work his offensive magic. I could easily see this paying off.
Galiardi at center though? I don’t like that, but I could be wrong.
"Adventure? Excitement? Jedi craves not these things." - James Dean, Easy Rider
Center is Gali’s natural position. FYI.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Jones
Why is he stuck on a third line with Lindstrom and Galiardi? I know Sacco doesn’t want to break up the Thirst line…but wouldn’t it look more like a true top line if Jones was in Winnik’s spot?
Yes.
Why the Colorado so few scores?
Don't fix what isn't broken.
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 3, 2011 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I have always been against this change
And by always I mean since it happened in the spring. But, I was on the subway and got to thinking, let’s back up a minute and think if this could be a good thing. I know you’re upset that Duchene is being moved but are there any good teams who have this kind of center depth that have done this before.
First, I thought “Ew Red Wings, the suck, but they have Datsyuk and Zetterberg”. Hey wait! They combined those two on one line before. In fact, they did it in the season opener which yielded a win. Huh, they won a cup, maybe it’s okay, but fuck the red wings, so I moved on.
Second, I thought “Pittsburg, they have 3 centers and run a bunch of lines”. Hey wait! They moved Malkin to Crosby’s wing a bunch of times and it worked okay. Huh, they won a cup, maybe it’s okay.
Third, I thought "Part of me is annoyed because I feel like it’s an insult to Duchene, but then again, if this mean Duchene is still the face of the franchise AND that means Stastny might likely stay AND that means that the addition to the team according to my model would be a defenseman instead of a winger. Huh, maybe it’s okay.
Last, I thought “It worries me that the super depth this team has at center would be mitigated but then again it can always be adjusted backwards. All that matters is taht Duchene is happy, he puts up points, he dazzles the world, and the Avalanche win. If Radar can anchor the 2nd line, so be it. Duchene is the future and franchise of this organization and it doesn’t matter where he plays.”
I am content, I am happy, and I am logically happy and excited about this. Tear this shit up Duchene. One of your best friends will be feeding you. Use that speed down the wing and dominate these teams.
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by c6hor8 on Nov 3, 2011 7:09 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Funny you mention that. Babcock split up Zetterberg and Datsyuk for the game against the fLames tonight. They made a big deal about it in the media.
Why the Colorado so few scores?
And they lost.
I love it
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Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
If I didn’t know you better, I might think that you were implying that this was in some manner a negative thing.
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big, bad wings are now 5-5. Think they definitely are losing a step or two.
by the cool breeze on Nov 3, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
With an OT loss to boot.
Detroit’s first 14 days of the season: 10 points
Detroit’s next 14 days of the season: 1 point
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 3, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
I had no choice but to rec that.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
I would except it includes the first fourteen days
THE COLORADO AVALANCHE HAVE WON THE STANLEY CUP. RAYMOND BOURQUE: A DREAM COME TRUE!
It looks like Hannan just superman elbowed a midget.
I love it
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by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
That’s pretty bad.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 4, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s pretty
bad.cool, since it’s a Red Wing.
Fixed
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I think you are thinking too much. You are probably gripping the stick too tight too.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I kind of doubt it’s a permanent move for Duchene, but having that versatility would be nice (a la Forsberg). Matty being able to play both positions given the injuries, opponent, and situation could pay off.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 4, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I like it solely for the reason
that I feel Jordan Staal is underutilized on that third line.
by ProfessorOak on Nov 4, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Considering he hasn’t really been a third liner over the last 100 games because of injuries, I would agree should he ever have to go back to that spot. Look for Malkin to move to wing should the big 3 ever play together again.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Various random thoughts on the line changes:
1- Ryan O’Reilly is now being acknowledged as a #2 center, this is a reward for his improved offensive production and overall play. He’s 20 years old and already in his 3rd NHL season. Cool!
2- Gabriel Landeskog has been promoted to the 2nd line, acknowledging his production and skill level as an 18 year old rookie. Even cooler!
3- Matt Duchene is being auditioned as the solution to our LW depth issue, in part because other players, named in #’s 1 & 2 above, have shown they can handle the role he is vacating. Perhaps the chance to simplify his game will allow him to reach his scoring potential.
4- TJ Galiardi, seemingly a permanent inhabitant of “Sacco’s Dog House,” is being given an opportunity to audition as a 3rd line center. I like the idea of putting him in a position to succeed, and to move into the space created by O’Reilly’s promotion. Missing most of last season due to injury, and his struggles when he did play, motivated TJ to work hard in the off-season. We may have a solid 3rd line center in TJ which frees up other players to excel on the upper lines.
5- Leaving the O’Reilly line intact, Sacco is experimenting to see if we have the talent to ice 3 forward lines that can score. Playing Jones, a scoring winger with some size, and Lindstrom, a potential scoring winger with a very good shot (although he is ‘Eurosoft’) with Galiardi is an experiment, and one that has potential upside.
6- Winnik is also being rewarded for improved play and his ability to play a particular role on his line.
7- I think this is a good thing seen as an experiment by Sacco/management as part of the evaluation process we are in with our team. With many contract decisions coming this off-season, and the season being young, this is a good time to find out who we want to keep going forward, while hopefully finding better chemistry and more offense.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 3, 2011 7:33 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
part of the evaluation process
I think that’s a great way to look at this season. The team has pretty much moved out of rebuild mode and is in a place where evaluation of what the organization has and what it needs is the logical next step. Yes, they will play to make the post season, but even if they don’t, the season isn’t lost since it will be informative for off-season moves.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 3, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Who the fuck is Tim Tebow?
"Time to bust out the increasingly shameful porn and let fly the balls of war!"
-AJ Hellofawaffle 2011
RIP Dan Wheldon, Marco Simoncelli
God, I hope you’re being honest. I really hope that Europe has been spared the whole Tebow phenomenon. You guys have enough problems with Greece and Italy and volcano ash. Please, if you don’t know who Tim Tebow is DO NOT LOOK HIM UP ON THE INTERWEBS!
I’d like to think there was a part of the world where he just flat doesn’t exist.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Nov 4, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 4, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 4, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Shit. Watching Nashville Phoenix is like visual ambien.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Wild are destroying the Nucks. 5-1 now.
Cullen is all over the place.
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, now in colour. Blood and Thunder Record: 6-3-0 (Total Record: 7-6-0)
by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 3, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions
*Yawn*
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Nov 3, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Game was actually... not boring.
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, now in colour. Blood and Thunder Record: 6-3-0 (Total Record: 7-6-0)
by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 3, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Was it.... WIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLDDDDD!!!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Nov 3, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes!
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, now in colour. Blood and Thunder Record: 6-4-0 (Total Record: 7-7-0)
by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 4, 2011 1:47 AM MDT up reply actions
This makes me anxiously anticipate the days when we get to hear Postgame Peter McNab say, “Johnson was playing hard, and Siemens was all over the place!”
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Phoenix-Nashville Game
You think the Avs game against them was boring, you should watch this. you won’t need an ambien, promise you that! Trap vs Trap, horrible!
phoenix hockey
$1 beers, dogs and sodas for saturday night’s game. wow
I would be one drunk bastard.
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
You’d have to be to enjoy trap hockey.
I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
Damn NW
Oilers up 2-0 on the Kings after 2 periods.
Wild beat Vancouver tonight
Calgary won tonight
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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Yeah…seems every team we didn’t want to win won again.
Anyway, I think Edmonton has about 3 games left before they start crashing back to earth.
Why the Colorado so few scores?
No…Flames winning wasn’t terrible. They kept the things pointless. Really, in the grand scheme of things, I’m ok with that.
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2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
My first thought is: what is he doing? Then I wonder if any of the players are thinking the same thing. Not just the Duchene thing, but the constant line juggling. It’s a bit irritating
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
So, we as a fanbase bitch when he isn’t switching up lines (see: Winnik, Thirst Line), but we also bitch when he does (see: Duchene, Left Wing).
….is there any way for Sacco to win, or is he just screwed when it comes to making fans happy?
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One of the first things you've said that I've agreed with in a while.
If Sacco drives this team into the ground with his coaching style, then I’ll be mad. He’s working on improving the team so as a fan I’m letting him fix what needs fixed and I’ll see the results before I get upset.
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2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
One of the first things you’ve said that I’ve agreed with in a while.
Bit harsh, no?
Joking aside, as much as I think Sacco is not the right person for this team, I have been impressed with his handling of the team so far this year.
1. Letting Giggy get starts, not riding the hot hand even on the second game of a back to back.
2. Leaving the lines alone for this time. Let them gel and see what chemistry they form.
3. Trying Duchene on the wing. People here have been talking about it for ages. Maybe it’ll work, maybe it won’t, but until it’s attempted, we won’t know either way.
What happened last year was horrible, really horrific. All sorts of bad records were set and Sacco was not given any help by Sherman when the injuries hit. To have that again and the Sacco Doghouse Roulette playing would destroy any esteem or talent that this team has.
However, I am keeping an open mind about these latest changes.
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…Sacco was not given any help by Sherman when the injuries hit.
Not entirely true… Sherman acquired Flash, which looked like it was going to be a magnificent move as he had instant chemistry with Duchene. It’s not Sherman’s fault that Duchene’s wingers can’t survive more than 10-15 games at a time.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
A lot of folks have a fantasy league mentality about making trades as soon as things don’t go perfectly, but mixing the lines up is the best way for management to figure out what to look for and what can be given up.
Let’s say this change is the magic bullet, the Dutch/Stats line goes off and the Thirsties continue playing at a high level. You can make a case that a center might be the best fit for a trade. A veteran C that plays good defense and can score a bit playing between Gally and Jones would be perfect. And instead of shopping for Iginla/Nash we end up with someone like Mike Keane, having given up far less for it. Big win there if it works out.
Another option which would give you a natural scoring winger and that veteran center is to trade Duchene. Not advocating it, but it could give you the scoring on the top line, solidify the 3rd line, and not cost you any of the young defensive talent in the pool. In essence, moving Duchene to wing is like trading Center Duchene for Wing Duchene. If you actually trade Duchene, you would get the Wing and the 3rd line center for the same price. Suchadeal!
Again, I’m not advocating the trade, just pointing out the possibilities.
In Sherman we trust
Going to wing
Look, if it’s good enough for Forsberg then Duchene can suck it up and make it work. It’s not a failure on Duchene’s part that he’s going to wing really. The O’Reilly line is just too damn good at this point to spread those center minutes through three lines.
As a player Duchene presents a bit of a problem for a center. First, it’s great that he’s a center because he gets more touches and you want your most talented players to touch the puck as much as possible. As the opposition it’s near impossible to “shadow” a center and shut them down (ie the 90s). Also, he’s a pretty good faceoff guy. But as far as his problems are concerned the biggest is that Duchene just hasn’t improved a whole heck of a lot defensively. His effort in the back end is good, but his positioning and ability to win those battles is pretty poor. It also seems to me that when Duchene does battle down low in his own end or start a breakout low in his zone (a rare circumstance and a HUGE problem at that) he needs a line change pretty soon thereafter.
When you think about Duchene’s scoring chances and goals scored I think of a lot of transition opportunities. He does his best work on the rush. A center is almost never first man in to the offensive zone and Duchene is a great 1 v 1 player. At wing he’s going to get that early breakout high in the zone and he’s going to be able to push the defense off the blue line with this speed (think of all the times Stewart was first in to the zone 1 v 1). Once the offense is established in the O-zone there’s really no rule that says a LW can’t skate to the right side and play the entire ice surface in that zone. The only way a winger is restricted is defensively and how they start the breakout from their own zone.
Factor and Stastny (to a lesser degree) will generally take their breakout passes way lower in their own zone than Duchene does. That’s a real healthy habit for centermen because it supports the defense and creates a better gap with your wingers on the breakout as well. When EJ is skating up the boards and gives up that turnover it’s a really bad play, we all know that. However, why is there no player within 15 feet of him to support the breakout? Because all three forwards are racing up out of the zone looking for a 20 foot outlet pass. I lay that at the feet of coaching a lot but in many cases that’s where that center should be. Duncan Keith can skate the puck out and make a beautiful 30 foot outlet pass but a majority of the time that’s now how they start a successful breakout. Typically it’s a five foot, simple pass to his centerman. Those little pass plays set up the home run passes and defensemen rushes. It’s like using a jump shot to set up your drive to the basket or the run to set up the pass. Duchene (less so than Factor and Stats) doesn’t do this. He’s a greyhound and I think putting him out on the wing is just where he works best for now.
I'll keep this brief.
by Dario on Nov 4, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions 4 recs
I am jealous of your ability to spell all this out.
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by MalachiConstant on Nov 4, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
23!!
It all adds up to 23!!!
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2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
More on New Jersey financial issues
Certainly they would have to carefully examine that bloated payroll, right? Right?
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