Avalanche at Dallas Recap: Avs Lose Pond Hockey Game in Dallas, 7-6
The Avs traveled south to Big D to test their stellar road record against the Stars and their stellar overall record (and 8 out-of-the-last 12 home record against Colorado). Something had to give, right? Some familiar narratives abound as they headed to the Lone Star State: shiny new lines up front, some tweaked defensive pairs in back, a hot goaltender at the other end of the ice (Kari Lehtonen), and Semyon Varlamov in net for the Burgundy and Frostbite Blue. Throw in Dallas' explosive blueline production and a lack of Steve Ott and you have the makings of what should have been a pretty good game. The Avs and their daddies were instead treated to a schizophrenic tilt featuring bad defense, worse goaltending, and TONS of power play goals.
The Colorado fourth line drew first blood as Silent Jay McClement followed a Kyle Quincey shot/dump to the net and snapped home the rebound to give the Avalanche the 1-0 lead. That was Square Peg's first goal and point of the youngish season. I think Lehtonen was somewhat locked to the post as he was in a V-H position pretty early for a play originating on the low boards (IMO, obviously). Shortly thereafter we got a delay as they had to repair some cracked glass that resulted from an Avalanche shot. They did get a chance to replay the horrific Nicklas Grossman injury though, so good times! When play resumed we got to see a really good shift from the new top line and then an even better shift from the 4th liners.
In their rush to see the other end of the ice for a change, the Stars took a high-sticking penalty committed by Radek Dvorak (sorta it really was Joakim Lindstrom getting Quincey in the chops). We're at the 12-minute mark at this point and the fans are treated to a 2009-esque passing drill that took about the first 3/4 of the PP time, but when they finally shoot AT the net, the Avs nearly score. When they get it back in the zone after the panic clear, we see the game's debut of the Matt Duchene spin-o-rama behind the net. He then curled around to the top of the left circle and double-pumped a wrister through Lehtonen's pantaloons. 2-nil good guys. At this point Colorado led 10-2 in shots. The Stars managed a few shift in front of Varly, but Colorado answered and drew a penalty in the last three minutes of the period. More passing and a bad hop over Ryan O'Reilly stick as he's holding the point resulted in a great short-handed chance for Dallas. However, Quincey played the 2-on-1 PERFECTLY to break up the opportunity. It managed to give Dallas some jump and after escaping a decent chance at the end of the power play, they got about 45 seconds of pressure at the other end before Dan Winnik's follow-through caught Adam Burish in the mug. No call on the play though (rightly). The next shift down the ice and Stephane Robidas decided to exact revenge by skating the width of the ice with his elbows up before connecting with T.J. Galiardi's chin literally 3 feet in front of the ref. Well thought-out plan-of-action there. The Avalanche had only about 10 seconds of PP time but still managed a great chance off the o-zone face-off. Unfortunately Duchene can't finish into a wide-open, nay YAWNING! net after he follows Quincey's blast to the crease. Dallas dodges a bullet at the end of the first and the shots finish up 13-3 for Colorado.
The second period started with the Avs PP quickly establishing possession in the zone and getting some great chances with hard work from both units as they trapped the Stars' PK in the zone. Nothing much came from the man-advantage though. Some back and forth chances occurred before Gabriel Landeskog sidestepped a check and nearly scoreed over Lehtonen's right shoulder. The next possession down the ice by Dallas ended when Shane O`Brien dumpsEmmy-winner Vernon Fiddler into the net for a somewhat make-up-call-ish penalty. Their second rush into the zone after a good clear resulted in both defenseman (Ryan O`Byrne and Jan Hejda) backing up and the inevitable clear shot from Loui Eriksson handcuffed Varly. He and O'Byrne combined their Wonder Twin powers to put the puck into their own net. 2-1 Colorado with just over 14 minutes left in the period. I really liked Burish's bush-league bullshit ass-check into Varly's face after the whistle, goal-horn, and commercial break. Douche-itude isn't restricted to just Steve Ott in this lockerroom apparently. Dallas started to dominate in possession as they got several good chances in the Avs' zone. At the end of one of those, O'Byrne set a pick into Varly and the Stars got another power play opportunity. A pretty good PK was displayed and the Avs even got a couple of chances out of it before killing it off. The first shift after the PK turned into a sustained scoring opportunity as the top line did some good work (especially Duchene). However the shot advantage for the Avs had started to dwindle somewhat. Then Cody McLeod took an ill-advised boarding penalty at the offensive blueline. Sheldon Souray didn't waste much time before smoking one past a screened Varly. 2-2 with seven minutes left in the period. The Souray love-fest had been dampened to this point, but now the slobbering starts in earnest.
Burish cheap-shot Paul Stastny behind the net to a chorus of silence from the refs. Stastny slowly made his way to the bench after losing his lid, but didn't miss a shift. Landeskog had a golden opportunity on the other end, but Lehtonen made a series of clutch saves. Immediately back down the ice saw Hejda miss a hip-check on Michael Ryder. He found Fiddler who caught David Jones in popcorn mode before beating a sliding Varlamov. Three unanswered goals in the period now. 3-2 Dallas. Not long after, Jones got pegged for a Holding the Stick penalty to give Dallas their 4th consecutive power play. The first possession in the zone and an Alex Goligoski point shot found its way past a screened Varly. Noticing a theme? 4-2 Dallas on their third power play goal OF THE PERIOD.
Just as I'm thinking about turning this game off, recap be damned, the top line struck from a bad angle as newly-minted left wing Matt Duchene scored from the corner after Jamie Benn "cleared" a rebound right to his stick. 4-3 Dallas with just over 2 minutes remaining in the period. About 30 seconds later, Stastny got rubbed out behind the net but put a centering "shot" off a defenseman and the goalie for the tying goal. 4-4. Holy schizo, Batman! This was a crazy period and it wasn't over. Hejduk nearly scored around the one minute mark and shortly thereafter Duchene turned on the jets but gets tripped on his way to the hat-trick goal, drawing a good penalty at the end of the 2nd period. Other than the Dallas commentators not being able to tell the difference between Quincey and Ryan O`Reilly, nothing much results from the abbreviated power play. Shots after two: Colorado 27, Dallas 14.
Colorado started the 3rd on the PP with over a minute left on it, but wasted some time before getting it set up. A couple of decent chance for the Avs and one for the Stars tightened some backsides in the arena. The Thirst Line jumped over the boards on the rush after the Stars miss and Winnik picked up a soft rebound in front of the net to put the Avalanche back on top, 5-4. We were then treated to some fun as Dallas channeled their inner thug and Colorado defended their crease and bench apparently. The bad blood continued as O'Byrne tapped Fiddler in the back about half as hard as Stastny took in the 2nd and got another penalty called. An aggressive penalty kill (according the knowledgeable announcers, of course) almost worked but just as the penalty expires another point shot hits the post and the rebound went right to Eric Nystrom's stick for the put-back. 5-5. The penalty kill looked like frozen donkey entrails covered in feces at this point.
The "fun" continued as Milan Hejduk got called for a high-stick off of the ensuing center-ice face-off. That was the sixth penalty for the Avs since the start of the second period for those keeping track at home. A good showing by the PK resulted in a return penalty as Mike Ribeiro tripped McClement to cancel the man-advantage. Some 4-on-4 action ends but the PP is short-lived due to the highlight-real trip down the ice by Duchene. He clowned (their words, not mine) the entire Stars team and buried the wrister for his first career hat-trick. 6-5 Avs. Still over 10 minutes remained in the period at this point. The teams then traded some good possession shifts each way and Toby Petersen missed a tying chance down low. The next thing really worth mentioning was Jamie Benn's attempted castration of Stastny at the 4:30 mark. Shortly thereafter Benn tipped a shot going farside on a screened Varlamov after Robidas hammered the drop pass. Six all at that point.
Sacco answered with the Thirst Line who got a couple of good looks at the net, mostly notably by Daniel Winnik. Daley tried to rough up Landeskog (who stood up for himself), straight punches Winnik in the mouth and everybody pairs up for hugs and affirmations. Daley got two for panic-punching, Winnik took a seat in the box for receiving his love taps. So the third period ended with some more 4-on-4 action. 12 goals weren't enough to settle it, so to OT they went.
Overtime started with the rarity of 3-on-3 hockey and lots of open ice. Duchene immediately generates some excitement but can't cash in. Stastny dribbled one on-net, but couldn't get it to go. Hejduk got a prime shot from in front, but hit Lehtonen in the logo. Everybody then got in on the near miss action as Lindstrom, Hejda, and Johnson all get opportunities but can't finish. Possession swung the other way and Eriksson finally got an opportunity on the other end. Just as he walked out from behind the net and looked to shoot, Hejda picked Varlamov's right hand/foot out of the way and the pass across hits a sprawling Erik Johnson's glove and goes in backside with just over a minute remaining in the extra frame. Stars win 7-6 in a crazy one as the Avs escape with a point in a game they probably shouldn't have been in after the second period. That or they should have focused on some defense as well as generating some O with the new lines.
- Duchene
- Quincey
- Winnik
Shiny and new and full of goals. Both for..... and against.
- Duchene Stastny Hejduk
- Landeskog O'Reilly Winnik
- Lindstrom Galiardi Jones
- McLeod McClement Kobasew
- Johnson Wilson
- Quincey O'Brien
- O'Byrne Hejda
- Varlamov
- WhoTF is Ian Kinsler? Thanks for dressing up...
- Memo to Dallas announcers: The Duke is not from Finland, the St. Patrick Day joke was lame, I have a hard time believing that the Stars are still adjusting to the "new" NHL, you suck if you don't know Fiddler's resume after watching him in PHX six times last year, your grasp of offsides is only slightly more prescient than you understanding of what a follow-through is, and your riveting analysis on how good teams don't take lots of penalties was FAN-tastic.
- Landeskog took another big hit carrying the puck into the zone. Please don't die in your rookie season, Gabriel.
- Did anybody else see O'Byrne get shot with that sniper bullet at the beginning of the third? Not his best game.
Back home to face Calgary on Sunday, the 6th. Puck drops for Family Night at 6 p.m. Mountain.
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Duchene
The Avalanche should have won this game but its great to see Duchene have a hat trick.
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Progress...
That’s what we are see from #9.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
I DON WANTZ HEEM TRADEDZ I WANTZ HEEM IN JUNURZZZ!!!!!!! HEZ WAASTED IN NHL (VODKA NOTWITHSTANDING) MUST SPENDZ MOR TYME IN JUNYURZ!!!!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
How on EARTH does our leading goal scorer (David Jones) get under 10 mins TOI? All the while, Lindstrom and Kobasew (who were useless tonight besides Kobasew’s assist) get 12 minutes?
Blows my mind.
Look alive, gentlemen.
David Jones slept with Sacco’s wife?
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
That's a possibility
But seriously. Makes no sense. Maybe it changes Sunday night, who knows.
Seems like the new Stastny line worked, obviously the Thirst line works. But David Jones clearly needs ice time. Granted, with these new lines Jones didn’t get paired with the greatest supporting cast, but seriously, 9 MINUTES?
Look alive, gentlemen.
Its called the Odd Man Out phenomenon. Its when a third line player, such as Winnik, plays well with top line players and displaces a good skater, such as Jones.We saw it with Duchene and now we see it with Jones. Eventually, something must give and this situation will be righted but for now Jones will get screwed over.
He’s out there living his dream. We should all be as lucky as Ryan O’Reilly.
Jones twice fell down on his own last night, and was completely invisible despite Galiardi playing like a whirling dervish. Jones was benched after he was tackled behind the Dallas net and got called for holding.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions
That damn Blue line again
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 5, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Kobasew kills penalties…that’s a thought.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
There were a lot of those.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 5, 2011 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions
How on EARTH do the Avs score 6 goals and still get haterz?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Because their terrible D and awful goaltending tonight gave up 7?
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Terrible D- yes.
Bad goaltending- not as much.
Bad luck- for damn sure.
Too many Dallas PP’s- fuck the refs.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, the goaltending wasn’t all that bad really. Tough to say with 7 goals allowed, but I’m still saying it.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 5, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Varly was screened all night by Dallas players as well as his own. A couple of those goals were flukey and/or put in the net by his own guys. But at the same time there were goals he should have had.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
Yeah, I’ll agree with that. It wasn’t a Budaj outing, but it wasn’t a great game by Varly’s standards.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 5, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
the most important one
Varly should have had, and that was the game winner. completely overplayed it to the point of no return. I’m also sorta mad, it looked like EJ got tackled behind Varly on that goal, coulda been interference.
by ProfessorOak on Nov 5, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
The fact Valry got spun sideways and was unable to make play on that puck because Hedja didn’t help on that last goal either
by Freakoffaleash on Nov 5, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
FYI, he played that shot pretty well. He forced the shooter to walk out and give his D time to get into the play. He was on his angle took as much depth as he had time to get. Hejda clipped him just as a SHOT THAT WAS GOING WIDE hit his defenseman. Not sure why that one is on Varly.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Wasn’t saying it was on Varly was blaming Hejda
by Freakoffaleash on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
13 goals were scored, both goalies sucked, Avs defense sucked, and they lost.
Boom. Recap.
I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
This game was BRUTAL on Varly's SV%
Down to .906 on the season.
Yikes.
Why the Colorado so few scores?
I wonder how bad it was for Lehtonen
I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
Why, why the fuck was Hejda and Johnson on the ice?
Jan MOTHERFUCKING Hejda just has to FUCK UP every god damn game…he’s still adjusting, but FOR FUCKS SAKE, stop costing the team goals!
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
I talk a bunch of shit about Duchene not being a star player and he scores a hat trick. Maybe I should talk more shit about him.
Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.
Please talk shit about Hejda and Johnson…
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
I think I’d run out of words before it made any difference.
Mile High Hockey: The Avs are so young, we had to hire Chris Hansen as a site moderator.
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
ehh, only when they are not quality shots, or only when they are part of a small sample size. Because quality shots are way more….. uhhhh…. quality!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Not true. Radar once scored a goal in overtime on a shot he didn’t take. What’s that do for your math, buddy!?
Landeskog - O'Reilly - Jones. When.
I still maintain he touched that puck. I’ve seen the replay, and I’m an expert.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I’m sure he touched the puck, but he didn’t “shoot” the puck.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Doesn’t matter. Touching/deflecting it counts as a “shot”
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Throwing some shit out there
“Three Avs of the night,” nicely done.
O’Reilly looked average again tonight. Maybe that’s partially because he hasn’t been on the PK and maybe that’s because he played above his head for a few games straight.
Landeskog is just so close to having 7 or 8 goals. Hang in there and keep firing.
I liked Duchene’s hat trick but I also liked what he said afterwards, which basically amounted to disappointment he couldn’t bury his 3 on 3 chance.
Jamie Benn is turning into an Avs killer. He didn’t pot the game winner but it was him who beat EJ and caused him to belly-slide to the post. He also had 3 assists and delivered a pre-emptive strike to the future Avs #1C, Grandson of Stastny.
Speaking of which, Dallass was absolutely flying out there according to the Douchi meter. I’m convinced their win was completely due to their high Douchi numbers tonight. I didn’t know there was a classless fuckface out there named Burish, but I do now.
Lindstrom hasn’t done shit since the Ottawa game. Why doesn’t he get the nacho treatment for a night?
Hejda was awful. Johnson wasn’t great. Wilson was bad when I noticed him. O’Byrne wasn’t exactly “yikes” but he wasn’t good either. McLeod only gets 4 minutes of ice time… I mean sure, PK effects, but come on, let’s not waste our spots on the bench here. Varly responded to the flukey goals by trying harder and ended up skating outside the shooting lanes. And help him out for fuck’s sake, let’s clear the screens.
Reffing was brutal. Both ways.
Fuck Dallas.
It's all about the O'
From what I saw, he called out both teams…is it not appropriate to dislike a rival team though? If that offends you, you might cry with what gets said about Detroit around these parts.
I love it
2 Wing fans disagreeing about a potential deal for Shea Weber in the comments section of a post about the Avalanche.
Winging It In Motown
by Amerinadian on Sep 12, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply 1 recs
i can be bitter if you want.
Stanley Cups:
Colorado 2
Dallas 1
suck it
LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is
by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 4, 2011 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, classy like you who come here to insult someone without saying anything of substance
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 5, 2011 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stay classy, officiating is a bitch.
Fixed.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions
This might be one of the stupidest troll posts I have seen in a while
by DrunkinAvsFan on Nov 5, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Asshole.
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, now in colour. Blood and Thunder Record: 6-4-0 (Total Record: 7-7-0)
by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 5, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Looks like this was an unfortunate one…. Duchene’s 1st and 3rd were sick though. Can’t even understand how Landy didnt score, both were just gorgeous moves
LANDESKOG!!!!!
How Swede it is
by Cole D Hamilton on Nov 4, 2011 11:09 PM MDT reply actions
10 Thoughts:
1. My words – I eat them. Duchene on the wing was a good move and seems to be working. I’m still hoping we can figure out how to do 3 lines eventually, but right now, the Top Line and the Thirst Line are clicking.
2. On that note: OMG MATT DUCHENE HAT TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AH-HA-HA!!!!! SO AWESOME AWESOMELY AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! Hehehehe! I’m so giddy about that! The way he cycled that puck on the first, the crazy shot of the second, and the holy shit move of the third – he had 4 defensemen on him and STILL scored! Matt, please do this more. Thanks, the Avalanche Fanbase.
3. There’s a Peter Forsberg tribute on Altitude right now – coolio! I love him. He’s my favorite player. And I’m highly distracted with it right now. Those eyes…. And now they’re hanging out with our new Swede! Yay Landy! So many unreal and despicably handsome Swedes on Altitude tonight! Also, O’Reilly does yoga throughout the year. And sometimes, he does it on a paddleboard. Thank you All-Access for such incredibly random but very impressive facts.
4. Varly had an off-night. It happens. He just seemed a bit slow tonight and not his typical Ninja Spider self. I’m pretty sure this was his 4th start in a row – he just seemed tired. It’s probably time to let Giggy take one (even if it is against the fLames)
5. This game was weird. So weird. We DOMINATED the first, then were completely terrible for most of the second, then battled back in it, then gave up crappy goals. We were amazing and terrible – it was like 2 different Avlanche clubs out there tonight. I still don’t know what to make of it.
6. Jones is the odd man out now. He’s not been playing badly, but he’s just not been playing well enough to convince Sacco to let him replace Winnik on the Thirst Line. It will probably happen at some point, but if Winnik keeps playing like he has been, there’s no reason why Sacco should switch it up.
7. Hejda had a pretty bad game again, but EJ played a bit better. I just hope that those two guys are the next ones to kick it into gear. Duchene’s found his game and so had Gali. If EJ, Hejda, and even Stastny find their top gear, things will start clicking for this team.
8. Even though our D has been a little off in our zone at times, they’ve been killing it in the offensive end. They’re combined for 33 points this season and if the Avs have scored in a game, the defensemen have been a part of it. They had 6 assists tonight. Wilson had 3 of those by himself.
9. Our two leading scorers right now? Matt Duchene and Ryan O’Reilly, each with 10 points. I’m pretty okay with this.
10. This game got chippy at the end. There were a few bad penalties (and a few bad calls) and a lot of bad bounces for both sides. Two points would have been better, but at least we got a point out of it and no one got hurt.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
One disagreement. Jones should not be the odd man out. I know that the Thirst line is clicking but Winnik is simply not top 6 material. He’s playing like a very good third liner, but he is always one or two moves away from being an offensive threat. I know you don’t wanna break apart the third line but eventually we’re going to need to.
He’s out there living his dream. We should all be as lucky as Ryan O’Reilly.
Agreed
Is it O’Reilly-Landeskog that is such a good pair? Or Winnik and one of the two. I guess you’d have to ask them.
Look alive, gentlemen.
I dunno, they all seem to have chemistry together. The issue I’ve noticed (not sure if this holds true this game, I missed it) is that Winnik has a hard time finishing on chances Landy and O’Reilly create. However, I’ve already ranted on this in another feed so I should probably stop before I get redundant. Jones is just so good at the little things just like Landy and Radar and I think that could be a great line too, given a game or two to mesh. You don’t let a goal scorer tied for team lead in goals last year stay on the third line for long.
He’s out there living his dream. We should all be as lucky as Ryan O’Reilly.
It’s really tough to argue with the chemistry all 3 of them have. But eventually, I think Jonesy will get his chance to play with Factor and Landy.
Duchene – Stastny – Hejduk
Landeskog – O’Reilly – Jones
Those are some solid top lines. Goals will be scored.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
by andidee15 on Nov 4, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sides, I could get behind a line-up of
Duchene – Stastny – Hejduk
Landeskog – O’Reilly – Jones
Galiardi/Lindstrom – McClemment/Galiardi – Winnik
McCloud – Malone/Porter/Galiardi/ McClemment – Kobasew
(As you can see, I have no idea where I want Galiardi, I love him but I dunno where he fits)
Those lines seem like they could hold up well given good coaching and time to mesh
He’s out there living his dream. We should all be as lucky as Ryan O’Reilly.
by clasala5 on Nov 4, 2011 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
After the top two lines, it’s just a matter of finding some chemistry between some combination of Winnik/Gali/Lindstrom/McClement/McLeod/Porter/Kobasew/Malone. There’s got to be a couple decent lines in there somewhere.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
I know this is tit for tat,
4) I dont think Varley moved slow per say, I think he was off line. He was to far out, and could not react fast enough to cover his lack of positioning. He also had a hard time seeing the puck (means clear people out of the crease, although when we did clear people from the crease we got called for a penalty. Refs have got to be better and call that crap both ways). That goal when SOB hit his arm and knock the puck in really seemed to unravel him.
7) Hejda was really bad. I thought Johnson played great until that last goal. He had some frustrating passes, but he was very physical, and had some very good plays. Wilson was just a stud tonight. He jumped up and made a lot of scoring chances. Wilson+Johnson=Good. Hejda+Johnson=Bad.
by avalanchejef on Nov 5, 2011 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Varly was out of position all night. Anytime anyone got close to the net, he would end up 10 feet on either side of the net, and have to scramble to get back.
Johnson was awful. He is a scared puppy if there is any pressure on him when he is handling the puck. On the PP and offensivley he is just fine. His overall D, and his play in the Avs defensive zone is just bad
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
See I didn’t see the bad play. He was physical. He leveled a few people coming into the zone. He had carried the puck really well up ice. He retreated a few times and used good body position to create space and then moved the puck up ice. Other then the last goal, where was he bad at. I didn’t see any scared puppy look
He played well with Wilson, Hejda acts like an anchor with EJ. I think EJ tries to over-compensate for Hejda.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I though Johnson had a much better game, until he was reunited with Hedja.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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Johnson is fine as long as he’s not with Hejda…those two just disintegrate when they play together…
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
100% Agree
Johnson is DEFINATELY not what most people hail him as…..he hasn’t shown me shit…his consistancy sucks….a flash of good play here and there….where is his offense…..man..oh…man…
"Hey man, don't bogart that puck."
where is his offense
He is the second best D-man on the team in scoring with 7 assists and 7pts. Quincey is #1 with 2G 7A for 9pts.
All 7 of Johnson’s assists are on the power play. Which happens wo put him 2nd in the league among D-men for PPP and tied for 19th in points for D-men.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
We see two very different players.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
It probably depends upon who you are looking for.
Regarding the PP points, I probably put more focus on ES points. On the powerplay, the D can focus on offense. Even strength they have to be ready to move back to keep the puck in front of them if there is a (more likely) change in possession. Quincey had a noticeable defensive play to snuff out a 2 on 1, and looked pretty solid otherwise.
Johnson just needs to tie his moments of brilliance together with strings of basic competence. I’m hoping that’s just experience.
In Sherman we trust
I agree that he needs to play better, but when I watch him play I see a dominant controlling defenseman who makes a few mistakes. I watch the defense closer than any other position and some of the plays Johnson makes are incredible. He does make bonehead mistakes and his recovery is not as good as someone like Chara or Weber.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I sometimes wonder if it’s just maturity. It seems like Johnson is always trying for the big play where maybe the safe play is the better choice. I look at Chara, and particularly Lidstrom, and most of the time they’re pretty boring. Johnson is pretty damn exciting most all of the time and not always in the way Avs fans want to be excited. It’s the “Oh shit!” vs. “Holy shit!” thing. I’d accept less of both.
In Sherman we trust
I agree on maturity and I think total games played helps. Chara was not good at first and starting taking off in Ottawa later. Johnson sees plays at an extremely high level and sometimes his skill level, judgment, and vision are not in sync. I am seeing growth from last season to now in his game; he is not one dimensional and a solid, consistent, partner will help.
He’s just so fucking talented and he’s learning how to use it more and more.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The Caps played tonight so I didn’t start the Avs game until it was already in progress. I stopped watching in the second period when it was 2-2 and then went live to OT. I was hoping they would just make it to the shootout since Varly is usually pretty decent at that. So I am probably not going to be too happy when I watch the rest of the game and see some of those goals Varly allowed? At least I have goals 2 & 3 for Duchene to look forward to seeing.
Side note: Staals suck. Eric Staal speared John Erskine in his man parts. Also, highly entertaining was a tantrum Skinner had after the refs blew the whistle early and his goal was not counted. If you want to see Skinner have a hissy fit, slam his stick on the ice, and say the f-word, check out this post.
Though that Skinner fit was ridiculous...
He scored. I’d be pissed too if I know I scored on a puck that clearly was never covered and was called off. They’ve got to be able to “go up to Toronto” and correct calls like that.
Look alive, gentlemen.
Gotta admit, even though they occasionally have their dirty plays, I’d love any one of the 4 Staals on this team, even 20-year-old RW Jared. No way they move out of the East though.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
You want an AHL player on your team? Actually I haven’t watch baby Staal play so I don’t know if he’s any good. I think Canes fans are furious at Eric Staal right now for playing poorly this season and would be willing to trade him now.
I’ve not seen him play, but I don’t think I’d object to having him in the system at least. 21 is still really young – I mean, not everyone is Matt Duchene or Ryan O’Reilly and can lead a club in scoring at 20-years-old. Baby Staal has plenty of time to come into his own. And the others…. well, yeah, even if they’re having a coldsnap, they’re All-Star caliber players. Wouldn’t mind snagging one of those. I just hope Marc gets better soon and Jordan gets his health a little more consistent as well.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Varly needs a break. In fact, I would have pulled him tonight after the 4th goal.
Landeskog - O'Reilly - Jones. When.
I would have to disagree, especially in light of all the mental game psychoanalyzing that goes on around here. But for my own reasons, I would not pull a goalie when the game is that close. 6-1, sure. 6-6 or 6-4 or wherever in this game, no.
Pulling the goalie is inherently the worst statement a coach can make about his team (hai bad coacerz guyz!!). It’s like firing the coach. The message that sends is “Hey we can’t can the whole team so we’re gonna try one guy instead.” When your team is rolling the way teams are rolling tonight, you just encourage the stars and let it ride. Because obviously defense isn’t working. And if you’re close you gotta have some faith in the guys. Not that you wouldn’t try to point out the obvious, but ah….. fuck it
I can’t talk to the wall anymore.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Faceoffs
O’Reilly was under 50% tonight and Stastny was right at 50%. I don’t know how many Duchene took but he was only 33%. I wonder if the game got as up and down as it did, as compared to the games we’ve had with extended pressure, because of the faceoffs being fairly even (Avs 49%-51% Stars).
It's all about the O'
Just think...
That might have been out last trip to Dallas. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t moved to Seattle or Kansas City in the offseason.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
We have another game there this season
January 14th
Yes, gentlebeings, I am Captain Lando Calrissian, in the flesh and hopeful of remaining that way
by LandoCalrissian on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Plus they have a new owner so I don’t think they are going anywhere soon.
Yes, gentlebeings, I am Captain Lando Calrissian, in the flesh and hopeful of remaining that way
by LandoCalrissian on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL, NOT Seattle
The Tacoma Dome is the only venue that could house an NHL team feasibly. It’s pretty inside and all, but really, frankly, ill-equipped. The sports connection between Vancouver-Seattle is odd. It’s like they pretend eachother don’t exist…

wFlan : Annoying Canucks fans on their home turf since 07
That must be the Tacoma Dome, never been there but Bucky Fuller is proud.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
That is Tulsa Union. I think Broken Arrow and Jenks are bigger
by avalanchejef on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I know Broken Arrow’s football stadium is enormous. We had to go up there for a marching band competition my Freshman year. It was…. just wow.
It's all about the O'
It’s why we have so many awesome roads and bridges in OK…
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I just spent the past 2 and a half hours cycling and jogging...
…and I’m still pissed. But not as much as before. Usually, I listen to music or podcasts, but this time I stewed in the cold, brittle air. I constructed in my mind what was going to be a long and relentless fanpost filled with grotesque analogies, but when I got home, I just thought, “Fuck it. I don’t have the heart for this.”
This loss stinks. It’s one of those games that make me want to throw stuff… or pedal my bicycle extra hard. The most apt analogy I could think of was that being an Avs fan felt like having a spouse that keeps doing stupid things and then promises not to do stupid things. The entire off-season, we’ve been told that this isn’t the same defence, and selling the farm for a high-risk/high-reward goaltender was going to be worth it, and then this happens. Now what? They promise that it won’t happen again? I feel like a fool for thinking that they could actually win this game when it was 2-0. This is what being confident in your team yields, eh?
Going forward, this game will either be a portent of what’s to come, or an aberration. I hope it’s the latter.
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
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"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 5, 2011 1:26 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Jibblescribbits jibble scribbits
Holy crap Dallas’ in-arena music sucks. Wait, that’s just some guy’s ringtone I can hear
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wFlan : Annoying Canucks fans on their home turf since 07
This is so reminiscent of last year. The D would play good, but there would be no offense.
The offense would play good, but the D and goalie would be awful.
This is another hit on coaching. You have to find a happy medium somewhere, not this all or nothing stuff. Giving up 7 goals is unacceptable, I don’t even care what type of game it is
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
by chiavsfan on Nov 5, 2011 6:22 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and I’m glad the parade to the box, and the complete team breakdown started with yet another stupid penalty from Cody McLeod. If Benn is an Avs killer, so is McLeod. How does he never find himself in the Sacco doghouse?
Good game by Duchene’s line. And offensively the D was good. So there are some positives
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
McLeod’s penalty was a lousy call, as were many of the calls last night, like Jones getting tackled and being called for holding. Fucking refs gave Dallas the game.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Nov 5, 2011 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Even Rycroft said the penalty on McLeod was bull shit.
It wouldn’t have been a penalty in co-ed broom hockey at a frat house
He also said the officials are gun shy right now; and it was clear McLeod let up and tried to limit/minimize contact.
The real breakdown started with the two asinine interference calls on the OB’s. The Avs couldn’t touch a guy in front of the net with out getting called and that led tto Dallas players being able to sit in the crease and stick their asses in Varly’s face the rest of the game.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
Have to disagree on the Jones penalty. He had a strong hold on the guy’s arm. Good call, imo.
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: a mean, junkyard dog looking for revenge
by Cheryl Bradley on Nov 5, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I love the Dutchy Shuffle™
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
Galiardi
Lost in the excitement of Dutchy’s hat trick is TJ Galiardi, who played a great game last night. So much so the Altiboobs even did some genuine reporting when McNab shared that Galiardi says he feels most comfortable playing center. Gali was skating like a demon, hitting people and generally working hard. Late in the game after Sacco benched Jones and Lindy (who reappeared in OT), Gali was playing with Silent Jay and Kobasubaru. Kudos to Galiardi, now I hope his linemates can show up.
Varly!
Yeah, Gali had a great game. Hopefully he can keep it up and cement himself as the 3rd line center so long as Matty stays on the wing.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Nov 5, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Dear Cheryl, Jibbles, DDC, and others,
I sincerely apologizing for question the Duchene at wing idea last season and this week. I was wrong and I wanted to publicly admit it. Playing wing gave him space and speed and still let him control play. Now Stastny does his under-stated thing and Hejduk is Hejduk while Duchene goes batshit crazy on the defense. My reasons for disliking the idea stemmed from a myraid of causes but they are all gone now and hopefully will remain in pergutory. You were right.
Love,
SixWhores
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Nov 5, 2011 9:28 AM MDT reply actions 5 recs
While I love when people are telling me I’m right… I’m going to go ahead and say small sample size, and the jury’s still out. (but so far so good.)
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 5, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I just wanna say
Ii thought the penalty call on Jones was a good call, Jones was the one that held the opponent and drug (dragged?) him down.
I would have rather seen no penalty as it looked to me like they hauled each other down mutually. Picking one of them to call was basically a coin toss that the good Doctor lost.
It's all about the O'
My thoughts as well. I’d wouldn’t have made a call because both guys were guilty.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Duchene four points and plus minus even? How does that happen??
by spokane-avs-fan on Nov 5, 2011 11:02 AM MDT reply actions
2PPG, 1EVG and 1EVA = +2
On the ice for the final two Dallas goals, both even strength = -2
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
This game made my night!
The 3rd Duchene goal was freakin incredible! Add too it that it was the 3rd of a hat trick, I mean that is the way to score a hat trick! I was still so excited that I got to witness Duchene’s night of hockey greatness that the loss hardly bothered me. The Stars announcers even said that Duchene was doing whatever he wanted out there. Thanks Matt! This is the reason I watch hockey. Pure magic out there.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins." - Brian Burke
by helgothjb on Nov 5, 2011 11:03 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
It was beautiful how he dance in between all 4 Dallas players and never seemed to get touched before beating Let-one-in.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is Johnson's Offense?????
Since he is so inconsistent with his Defense….somebody prove to me he is all that his hype builds him up to be……
"Hey man, don't bogart that puck."
Assists are fine BUT he’s hailed to be our defensive goal scorer….where are his goals???
"Hey man, don't bogart that puck."
7-6 game and this guy wants more goals.
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Nov 5, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, now in colour. Blood and Thunder Record: 6-4-0 (Total Record: 7-7-0)
by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 5, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Who cares if it is goals or assist? You asked about offense and he’s contributing on offense. If he’s getting assists it means he’s either make an excellent pass, or his blast are getting to the net and the goalie can’t control the rebound allowing another Avs to score.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
You guys are sidestepping the issue…he hasn’t played up to hype…he’s a good defenseman buT not a great one….
"Hey man, don't bogart that puck."
How are we side stepping the issue. You asked about offense. We showed where he is contributing to the offense. He’s still a D-man and you can’t expect D-men to score goals every night.
As for the hype…He’s still young, 23 years old. It has been pointed out NUMEROUS times that most D-men don’t come into their own until 25-26. That’s the problem with “hype” most guys don’t live up to it.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Many D-men don’t come into the LEAGUE until they are 25 or 26.
In Sherman we trust
by Busted Twigg on Nov 5, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
This is why I think St. Louis gave up on Johnson. Stewart may have already peaked but is for sure near his ceiling and his age corresponds to that. Johnson is still 2-3 years away from the normal entrance/coming out/beginning of peak for defensemen.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Be asked a question
Don’t give the answer wanted
Sidestepped the issue
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Nov 5, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Double-lol
OWL LINE!!! HOOO!!!! HOOOO!!!!
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 5, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Johnson to Juniors?
(Yes)
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
Avalanche are up 2-0 on the road and O’Brien takes a totally unnecessary interference penalty. Up to that point Dallas was on their heals and looking for answers. That PP for Dallas began to swing the momentum back in their favor. After that huge swing in momentum that the Avs worked hard to get back and were up 5-4, O’Brien (with a lead again. Still on the freaking road) takes a stupid penalty. Dallas gets to recover, get a goal and they were off to the races again.
Those two penalties were not only momentum changers, at the places they were on the ice they were totally unnecessary. Goaltending, defense, whatever, if those penalties don’t happen the Avs can close the game out. I place that one squarely on the shoulders of older guys on the team that should know better.
Duchene just became a weapon again. He’s not a guy the opposition wants to see first in to the zone.
I'll keep this brief.
I’m happy to see Duchene skating circles as a wing. As a center, he was getting deep and turning it over (often while losing an edge). Now at least there is a center sliding back with the defense, not sitting on his ass behind the goal line looking pissed at himself.
I’m going to give this a few more games before I decide if I like the move or not. I will say that I’m leaning to the euphoric, but I’m trying to control myself.
In Sherman we trust
I thought Varly was less less than outstanding. And someone needs to beat the shit out of Robida.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
If I had to vote for a curbstomp in Dallas, I’d vote for Burish. He’s a skating piece of shit.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Which is exactly what his job is. It was the same in Chicago. He’s not a hockey player, he is a POS
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!

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