Quebec Wants a New Team
by andidee15 on Nov 8, 2011 9:00 AM MST
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PrintI just came across this group called "Nordiques Nation" - nordiquesnation.com - that is traveling in Nords gear to 5 different NHL games this year to show their love of hockey. Earlier this season, they managed to bring 1600 fans to a game in New Jersey, and will hit games in Florida, Ottawa, Boston, and Detroit before the year is over. Here's a short video from their site showing their recent trip. About half of it is in French, but it's still easy to follow:
I've not seen so many people in Sakic jerseys... well, since the last time I went to an Avs game. But these ones are all blue and the fans wearing them seem pretty jazzed about it.
It's pretty clear Quebec wants a team again. There are obviously still fans in the area, and with the proposed new arena that many are hoping will somehow be ready by 2015, there could potentially be a venue to house them. Add in the fact that the Coyotes, Devils, Islanders, Stars, and others are in various forms of financial trouble, and Quebec is starting to look like a pretty good relocation city.
But what will that mean for the Avs? Is there destined to be another Coyotes/Jets dispute with the guys in burgundy and blue smackdab in the middle? When the Nords moved to Colorado, the new team chose not to keep the retired numbers - would the Nordiques 2.0 (if Quebec decides to cave into fans wishes and go with the old name) have the choice of lifting 26, 3, 8, and 16 to the rafters? And what about 19, 21, and 52? Joe Sakic was extremely well loved in both cities - could he be the first player to only play for one franchise but to have his number retired by two?
I wish Quebec the best and I hope they do get a team at some point. But given the recent Jets issues and the apparent love the Quebecois still have for the team and the name, I wonder what it could mean for the Avs if the Nordiques do come back to the NHL.
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My vote goes to doesn’t matter but there hasn’t been an intra-quebec rivalry since I was 4. I want to fkn see it happen, buttman.
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Nov 8, 2011 9:02 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Avalanche vs Nordiques
I get shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
Wonder what their jerseys would look like. Perhaps a spin off the jerseys that never were?
Go Avaranche!
I think that a modified (color other than red) N logo on the front and it’s done.
In Sherman we trust
by Busted Twigg on Nov 8, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Just pull a Calgary Flames, named after Gone with the Wind, and
call them the Quebec Coyotes.
...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!
Not a bad idea, any thing but nordiques. It kinda worked for the Jets but really they should have changed their name to. No since in hanging on to the idea of an old team that for what ever reason couldn’t stick around.
by DrunkinAvsFan on Nov 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
Nordique = Nordic
Origin of NORDIC
French nordique, from nord (north), from Old French north, from Old English
It literally means, “People of the North.”
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
Merde.
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by Thor the Clunge Destroyer on Nov 8, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Stars? Let’s make the distinction between bad markets and a team falling on hard times. Otherwise let’s just move the avalanche back to quebec.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 10:46 AM MST reply actions
Give them back their history and namesake
We Avs fans have plenty to celebrate without taking the Nords accomplishments as our own. Maybe I’m biased as a Sonics fan.
by wetwillytwo on Nov 8, 2011 10:48 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Weird topic
Because I feel we should “own” the history of the Original Quebec Nordiques because that’s where we came from. By naming a new team after an old team, it confuses a lot of the history of the older team. Those retired players never played for the new franchise, so I don’t think they can steal the history associated with the older team.
Having said that, I was never a ‘Diques fan so I’m not going to be too upset if The Nords go back to Quebec, but in principle, that history belongs to our franchise.
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
Really? Because I think the avs should own the Colorado Rockies. I never got to see the Stastnys and Goulet play, so I don’t have any connection to the old Nordiques.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Isn’t the Rockies the old New Jersey team?
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
by Avalanche318 on Nov 8, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yep. The Devils were the Rockies way back when. And had Don Cherry as their coach.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
me. I actually went to a couple of games, and was one of the mini mite intermission skaters. Started playing in 1980.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I was a kid and remember going to one game.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
I was < 1 year old
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 8, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
I also was a fan of the Rockies. Hated to see them shipped to New Jersey – even worse to rename them the devils.
For the real old timers, the Rockies started as the Kansa City Scouts.
So, who really owns the history?
Goalie Coach? Goalie Coach!?! We don't need no stinkin' Goalie Coach!
by AceODale on Nov 8, 2011 7:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Flames were in Denver for awhile too right?
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:06 PM MST up reply actions
Colorado Flames were a minor league team, associated with Calgary.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
So I believe that the Rockies history should stay with the Devils, since the team still currently exists.
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
by Avalanche318 on Nov 8, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Does anyone in NJ feel that way?
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think people in Jersey have feelings.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Sure they do. Punchy and stabby. But seriously, the history of a team belongs to the city not the franchise.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Well, that’s how I feel, but I’d imagine in some organ-i-zations the people in said org feel slightly different.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I on the other hand did see the Nords play and started following them when they had the Stastny’s, they draft some kid name Sakic (not sure what ever became of him). Then they drafted Foote and Lindros (who was traded for Forsberg and a plethora of others).
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Nov 8, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Would the Nords retire #19? Joe Sakic is a big part of Nordique history.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
I don’t want to add anymore teams. 30 is plenty. If Quebec wants a team, they need to move Florida.
IF the NHL adds more teams, they need to add teams to the West.
Landeskog - O'Reilly - Jones. When.
4 teams would need to be added, or one team would need to be thrasherd
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by David G. Little on Nov 8, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions
Also, I don’t like the idea of adding just 1 team (odd numbered league)
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
by Avalanche318 on Nov 8, 2011 12:30 PM MST up reply actions
Let them have it
The arguement that we are making is a very minor bug on the windshield.
Player retirees….. numbers…. history…….. these are minor blips on the radar in terms of team location.
Profitability and being in “for the long haul” trumps all of these.
It’s the issue of naming a new franchise after one that technically still exists.
Living in the D, but It's All About The A.
by Avalanche318 on Nov 8, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
There were no Winnipeg jets last year. Therefore I dismiss this debate as silly and curmudgeonly.
It's all about the O'
by SteveHouse on Nov 8, 2011 12:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well, I voted for the third option, but it really doesn’t matter. The Avs chose not to keep a lot of the franchise history, so let Quebec have it if they want.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
And by “third option”, I meant fourth.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I also voted on the 4th option.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
If Denver got a second chance, why Quebec don’t deserve a second chance too?
And oh, your fan base was built because of the great team Quebec sent to you. Now you are not able to full your arena and you flirt with the salary floor. Do you really deserve an NHL team? Have you proved it without any doubt?
In Quebec, the problem has never been the fan base but the absence of a great bargaining agreement in the league (salary cap) and the lack of political desire to built a new arena. The Quebec Colisée was always sold out for the majority of the games despite some disastrous seasons.
Now the new arena will be built and the economical situation is greater than ever (with the parity between USD and CAD per example).
First:
And oh, your fan base was built because of the great team Quebec sent to you. Now you are not able to full your arena and you flirt with the salary floor. Do you really deserve an NHL team? Have you proved it without any doubt?
The salary floor stuff is all about debt. Kroenke leveraged debt to build the arena, and the economy has bit him a bit (as it did a ton of others). He’s going cap floor to leverage it out. It sucks and I hate it, but that’s why. It has very little to dow ith the fans (same as in NJ and Dallas).
I worry about Quebec for two reasons:
1. The CDN and USD are on par now, but will they be in the future? Quebec isn’t really equipped to handle it if they are unequal, and chances are at some point they will be
2. Corporate base: Quebec is a town of 750k. Those towns tend not to have enough business support. They will need business support to keep the franchise over the long term. I don’t think they (or Winnipeg for that matter) have it.
I hope I’m wrong. Quebec will get another team at some point and they will get another chance, I just don’t think it will work out. It’s too small a town and has major issues if anything goes wrong. If it were a hockey team you would say "Great lineup but lacks depth if anything goes wrong)
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 8, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
This is my opinion as well.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:08 PM MST up reply actions
Am i the only one
that absolutely hates that Winnipeg is the Jets? Half of the analysts are so incompetent to talk about Teemu Selanne when talking about the modern day jets…
Do you think Enos would, out of the generosity of his heart, just give back the Nordique name and logo? That will cost some $$.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 3:45 PM MST reply actions
Enos doesn’t own the Nords name or logo (probably a reason it hasn’t been used on a third jersey), Quebec still owns it.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
How do the Devils still have the Rockie logo? I would buy mutilple jerseys if they ever came out with a Rockie 3rd.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 8, 2011 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
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