Flyers at Avalanche recap, Avs win 3-2 in SO
by Brett Shumway on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 PM MST
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PrintIt's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but the sun shines brighter in Denver.
FIRST PERIOD: The Flyers lived up to their name to start the game as wave after wave of orange and white crashed into the Avs zone creating havoc. That pressure led to an early test for the Avalanche Penalty Kill (Stastny, hooking) as they killed off a threatening Philly powerplay that generated some pretty passing (Jagr) and decent scoring opportunities, but no goals.
The Avs had a few chances in the first, mainly a scoreless powerplay and a rush spurred by Elliot's speed which created a 2-on-1, but Coburn made a great play from his belly to break up Elliot's pass to Winnik. Porter and Brophey also took off on an odd-man rush of their own, but again, the Avs couldn't get the pass through the Flyers D to the open man.
With just over 2 minutes left in the period, an errant stick by Landeskog caught the face of Kimmo Timonen and gave the Flyers a 4 minute powerplay - apparently Finnish blood is clear because I couldn't see where that extra 2 minutes came from. The Avs couldn't keep the high scoring Flyers at bay and Jagr and Voracek made some slick passes to set up Hartnell with a wide open net. 1-0 Philadelphia.
SECOND PERIOD: The Avalanche changed up lines in the second resulting in several strong shifts in the attacking zone and earning the home team their 2nd powerplay of the night. Philly blocked all 3,642 shots the Avs threw toward the net on the PP to keep the Avs scoreless. The goose egg wouldn't last the whole night though as Johnson made a nice play to get the puck deep in the Flyers' zone and follow it in. The Avs then displayed some skill with Johnson finding O'Brien back at the point with a sweet pass from the boards, O'Brien smartly sending the puck back down to Landeskog streaking across the front of the net, culminating with Landeskog burying a backhander past Bryzgalov. The rookie's first tally at Pepsi Center ties the game at 1.
With just 43 seconds left in the middle frame, the Avs caught a lucky bounce when Brad Malone's pass back to the point redirected off at least two skates and into the net. Galiardi was credited with the ugly tally, and the Avs took a one goal lead into the third period, leading 2-1.
THIRD PERIOD: About midway through the third, while on the penalty kill, the Avs registered their third 2-on-1 of the game without a shot. Credit (and blame) the Philly defense for not giving the Avs many options (but also for giving up multiple odd man rushes). The penalty kill seemed to give the Avs a spark and they began to be more aggressive and not just sit back with the narrow lead. The Flyers never got remotely close to generating anything dangerous until the final 20 seconds, with Bryzgalov pulled, when everyone lost track of the puck down low with the exception of the opportunistic Danny Briere who found the puck amidst the chaos and tucked it home from behind the net. Game tied 2-2 and the Avs allow another late game-tying goal. So we're headed to overtime.
OVERTIME: Matching minors at the end of the third carried over to the extra frame resulting in some roomy 3-on-3 hockey. O'Brien probably had the Avs best chance in OT as he rushed up ice on and got a surprising shot off that Bryzgalov blockered away. Neither team could find a hero in OT so we go to the shootout.
SHOOTOUT: Hejduk: GOAL! Briere: GOAL. Duchene: GOAL! Van Reimsdyk: GOAL. O'Reilly: GOAL! Read: OFF THE CROSSBAR. Avs win 3-2 to improve to 6-0 in the shootout.
- JS Giguere - 31 saves (he just earned another start)
- Landeskog - 1 goal, 4 shots, 3 hits
- T.J. Galiardi - 1 goal
- LANDESKOG - O'REILLY - HEJDUK
- DUCHENE - STASTNY - WINNIK
- MCLEOD - BROPHEY - PORTER
- MALONE - MCCLEMENT - GALIARDI
- JOHNSON - O'BRIEN
- HEJDA - O'BYRNE
- ELLIOT - HUNWICK
- GIGUERE
- The Avs have quietly turned their early season home woes around to compile a current 6-0 run at home.
- Landeskog's goal was his first in 19 games.
- I know Matt Duchene scored a fantastic goal 5-hole in the shootout, but otherwise he was fairly invisible tonight.
- Mike Haynes on Jaromir Jagr, "he just bends over a little bit and you can't reach around him!" ......There's probably a better (and less excited) way to say that.
The 4-game homestand continues as the Avalanche welcome Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris (where are you) Stewart, and the rest of the Blues to Pepsi center Wednesday night for a 7:30 puck drop.
GO AVS!
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Jiggy was really good, gave them a chance to win.
The defense was really good, too.
Three or four odd-man breaks and we couldn’t generate a real threat?
The Teej totally looked like he was =censored= Julie Browman with his eyes during the postgame interview.
That is all.
Those breaks have to be better. Somebody shoot a damn puck
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Except losing the puck and leaving the net wide open at the end… yeah Jiggy was solid.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Oh for effs sake. 2 goals allowed to the highest-scoring team in the league. Yes, people make mistakes, even pros. Christ.
What part of “Jiggy was solid, except he lost the puck on the final goal” did you not understand?
I said he had a good game…
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
I said “really good.” You said “solid.” You did not say “he had a good game.” See the difference?
He was the 1st star of the game, deservedly so.
Did I say he sucked? Did I throw him under a bus or something? I said he blew a goal… that still stands.
In my eyes, solid is good. Solid like a rock.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Murcielago you noob… I spelt that without checking.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Dat Radar goal
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 PM MST reply actions
Sharks. 2-1
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 19, 2011 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
Man Bryz SUCKS at shootouts !
Dammitt !
and wow the Ave’s really do swarm you. Except for the first FLYERS goal by Hartnell, the FLYERS couldn’t get more than a one pass without an Ave all over them. It appeared that their were 12 Ave’s on the ice when in reality it was the 5 plus goalie. Thats good coverage. Sacco did a good coaching job.
FLYERS vs Ave’s is always a very tight close game in the history of both organizations matchups so I am not surprised that this was a tight game as well.
Oh well. I will take my measly one point that we stole and slink out of here.
GOOD GAME !
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FLYERS
Man, for missing your captain, your stud rookie, and your Claude Giroux (how else to describe), honestly you guys still have a great team over there. Which pains me to say because I hate the Flyers a lot… well less now that Carcillol is elsewhere, but still.
Thanks for the enemy perspective :)
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
why the hate
C’mon, give me some love ! (besides the team assessment) We got a great historied Franchise here. I am going to the AHL outdoor game btwn the Adirondack Phantoms (formally the Philadelphia Phantoms) and the Hershey Bears on Friday 01/06/2011. Cant wait !
Colorado has a couple of studs too. I think Hedjuk Stasny and Landeskog are all studs and I wanted Jiggy in philly before we got Emery but now … Eh Even though Bryz SUCKS in shootouts I will take him over Jiggy right now.
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Honestly?
Hard time putting it into words. It’s very knee-jerk and gutteral.
Plus that orange is just plain offensive ;)
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
~~~ Love the Orange ~~~
I LOVE THE ORANGE !
You see it as offensive
But when I see the Orange, I see the proud history.
I see Bobby Clarke, Bill Barber, Bernie Parent, Pelle Lindbergh, Brad McCrimmon, Brad Marsh, Mark Howe, Mark Recchi, J.R. Keith Primeau, Ron Hextall, and many many many more.
True story.
I am one of the 164 people who came up with the then “Name the AHL Philadelphia Hockey Team” contest which was the Philadelphia Phantoms now the Adirondack Phantoms. I got to meet Mr. Snider. I asked him if he Chose Orange and Black as the team colors to match the Old NHL logo and colors and he told me that that was a interesting story.
Apparently they wanted to go with Red as it is the very first color your eyes see in the Spectrum of Colors, but, Red was already being used with Detroit, Montreal & Chicago. So they decided to go with the “Near Red Like Color” in Orange and then felt that it was unique and that the team would stand out. They turned in the colors, name and logo design and a few days later they panicked. They realize that the Orange and Black was in the Then NHL Logo and they didnt want to get into trouble so they contacted the League and the League said that they were “OK” with the Philadelphia Team using Orange and Black.
Aint that a cool story ?
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What does YMMV
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All I can say to a Flyers fan is:
Bobby Nystrom was onside!!
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Dec 20, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
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Nystrom was as much on side as Claude Lemieux’s check to Chris Draper from behind was Legal.
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Touche!
But if NHL refs actually called penalties in the playoffs in the late 90’s we’d have won 4 or 5 Stanley Cups. Just ask Foppa’s spleen.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
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ok not sure how that applies to a response to the above story
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Some people may appreciate the story more than others, basically.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
well yeah of course. Thats with any story in any thing in life.
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True indeed.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
Good story
Although yellow is the first color to register in the brain. Orange is second; red third.
Goalie Coach? Goalie Coach!?! We don't need no stinkin' Goalie Coach!
by AceODale on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Note to self… wear yellow in public to get girls to notice….
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Yeah ~ Uh ~ its not just the Clothes
Because I doubt that any of these dudes are getting any action tonight.
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When the Avs play aggressive D they are great its when they sit back and play passive like on the 1st goal is when we suck.
The last 5 minutes the Avs started sitting back on their heals and doing dump and short shift nonsense and I called it we would get scored on. I will take a SO win right now a wins a win.
Our Universe is so Humongous Big - Illya Bryzgalov
Don't worry be happy right now - Illya Bryzgalov
by Freakoffaleash on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
This may sound funny but I hate shootouts
Unless my team wins or if I am watching to other teams other than my FLYERS. LOL
Thank Goodness they don’t have shootouts in Post Season or my FLYERS would be deader than a fat bloated beach whale !
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one thing that stuck out for me
The Flyers were all over us in the 1st. But JSG kept freezing the puck, which stemmed the momentum and allowed us to win faceoffs. Nice veteran savvy
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
Jiggy is a dang good goalie. Underrated I would even say. He never gets the “Media Love” that other Overrated goalies get like prima donna Luongo gets
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He took a (deserved) thrashing in the Toronto media last year. It takes a while to recover from being beaten up by the entire Centre Of The Universe. Been great for us so far though, hard to ask for much more from him
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Gettin Jiggy With It !
Toronto is very passionate about Hockey and it can be a Blessing and a Curse at the same time. I understand the Toronto Fanbase and I have been to Toronto a few times. They just want to win so bad and 1967 was a long time ago. Unlike Denver or Philadelphia where its probably an NFL City first (at least thats the way it is in philly. I have never been to Denver and I am only assuming that I am correct in this assumption), NHL is all that Toronto cares about 24/7 ~ its 2345 hours a day of Hockey Hockey Hockey ~ then 13 minutes of MLB and NBA and NFL Buffalo Bills and then maybe 2 Minutes of CFL with the Argo’s.
They were pretty hard on Raycroft as well.
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !
Oh boy, you don’t know the half of it about being an NFL city first.
Jiggy’s been a lot better than I ever thought he could be, and he’s been even better than that off the ice.
oh yes I do
Believe me. I live in Philly ! Which is an ALL EAGLES 24/7 appointment.
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He was playing while injured because the Leafs had fuck-all in the pipeline for the last two years. He was a stopgap to get them to the imaginary awesomeness of Reimer.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but the sun shines brighter in Denver.
this is pretty much the whole reason you took this recap, right?
DDC is deeply embedded throughout this blog. For better or worse, his taint taints us all.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 20, 2011 5:38 AM MST reply actions
Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia
I never seen that show and I live near the city of Philadelphia (stones throw away as they say ~ 15 Minute Drive from the Sports Complex) Aint that unusual ?
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maybe
The blogist formerly known as Paul's Coffey
by Brett Shumway on Dec 20, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
plus the fact that I watched the season finale the night before...
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by Brett Shumway on Dec 20, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think this is quite the “team plays better in front of Boods, instead of Theodore” debate yet. But Giguere games seem to be better defensively, and he just seems so poised in net.
Goalie coach? We don't need no stinking goalie coach!
Yeah, definitely agree here. Talked about this with the wife as I was teaching her about the NFL during the Pats game Sunday. It’s so much easier to tell precisely what’s (or who’s) working and what’s not in football as compared to hockey.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 7:39 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t think the Avs were any better defensively last night than they have been. Some luck and ood goaltending goes a long ways.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 7:54 AM MST up reply actions
Agree. It’s not a “better in front of one guy than the other” issue. It’s a “the guy in net is playing better” issue.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I like Varlamov…but he should take some poise lessons from Giguere. Varly tends to be all over the place, and Giguere has always prided himself on positioning. His style seems to be winning right now
Goalie coach? We don't need no stinking goalie coach!
I think Giguere playing well is the best thing Varly will ever have. He knows he the starter, he knows he’s the future, but he can relax a bit knowing he’s not fighting other young goalies but taking his time to develop.
Say whatever you want about what Sherman paid, but the way they went about the goalie situation is impressive.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Giguere for player/coach?
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 8:12 AM MST up reply actions
Worked with Budaj…..oh wait…..
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
But the positioning is the root of Giggy’s game. Always had been. He’s a classic anticipate the play, position-orientated, butterfly-dominant, blocking goalie. The most pure form of it since Roy was in the league, probably. Varly is part of the wave of ridiculously athletic, reactionary goalies that seem to all come out of Europe the last 5 years or so (His personal goalie coach may have something to do with it too).
As much as I hate trying to fit goalies into rigid style definitions, they take entirely different approaches to how they play the net. Varly is much more likely to dictate some plays with his aggressiveness (which some construe as a lack of patience at times) while Giggy is somewhat more passive in his approach and save selection. Giggy has the benefit of a ton more experience at this level behind a variety of systems all of which plays to his positional “style” too.
One thing I don’t personally like is Varly seems to have trouble shaking goals off at times, especially late in games. Giggy does seem much more calm and collected (last night’s chop to Coburn’s face not withstanding) after giving up a goal. Still, Varly could take a cue from his countryman: “Why you have be mad?”
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Wondering if this logical leap has any grounding in reality whatsoever, but it makes sense to say that Giggy’s more refined ‘save selection’ would generate more predictable rebounds or in general would be easier for the defense to respond to in a control/organized manner than Varly’s more erratic play. Thus, the perception by some that the defense looks better in front of Giggy. Or is this just an extension of the great rebound control myth?
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 8:41 AM MST up reply actions
In my opinion, it’s closer to the myth than the perception. What I mean is, I don’t think it’s really a part of what’s going on.
IMO, the issue with Varly’s play has been the issue that has been rearing it’s head since he got to Denver: he’s off his angles at times and hyper-active. Being off his angles means that when he does make a save, it’s with the pads or his hands, not his core. Therefore, more rebounds are given up, and they aren’t the “hit the logo, land 4 feet in front of you” type, they’re going off of him in a somewhat more unpredictable manner. His hyper-activity (Justin’s words, which I agree with) results in him overplaying certain situations and certain angles causing more of the same issues with his save selection. When he’s both hyper-active and off his angles, he tends to have a bad game, but it isn’t a result of his defense playing different or his rebound control, it stems from the angles. He’s forced to use his athleticism to it’s utmost on those nights and it can look really scrambly. Whether the D is subconsciously aware of this issue and worried about shots going in that “shouldn’t” is a little beyond any of us to say.
Conversely, Giggy takes a ton of shots to his core and his rebounds are perceived to be more controlled, but that’s because he’s on his angles. That’s the strength of his game. However, he’s not going to make as many edge-of-seat athletic plays as Varly because that’s not one of his standout strengths. Think of that first goal last night in the shootout. If that had been Varly in net, his left leg would have gotten to that post before Briere could tap it in. Giggy, read it right and had a good save selection, he just couldn’t get there.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
they’re going off of him in a somewhat more unpredictable manner.
I think this is what I was trying to get at. Is it easier for the D to clear the puck if it’s a nice, neat rebound off the goalie’s center? Not that the D plays different b/c they think a soft goal may go in, but that the D has an easier time playing the puck off of a Giggy save than a Varly save.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, but unpredictable might be a little strong of a word in this case. I don’t think his rebounds are going off in such a manner that the D has to scramble around differently, and therefore clear differently. I think it’s just that the two styles look so dissimilar it’s easy to attribute SOMETHING to it.
To be clear(er), Varly has played like this all season with only a handful of games that he was calm and collected (comparatively). I’m thinking specifically of the stretch from late November to early December. Did the D do anything markedly different in those games than they had in his earlier starts? Nope, he just played better AND he got goal support. Those two things haven’t happened in sync that often this year.
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Cheers. Definitely appreciate the responses.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
This would make sense with what everyone else is seeing too. If Varly’s angles are off, there would be a lot of goals that are hard to pin on him, and look like the defense is leaving him out to dry more often, but his stats will show he’s not making nearly enough saves. so the goals against look like he’s not to blame (realizing that blame for any goal can almost always be spread around), but a large part of the problem is his angles/positioning.
Which also matches the statistical analysis as well. (Love it when eyeballs and stats cometogether to tell a whole story)
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Weird, it’s almost like he would benefit from having someone dedicated to watching and working with him every day to find this “over playing the angles” thing and bring it under control. Almost a sort of “coach” for the goalie, if you will. Might be a nice innovation
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
I would not be surprised if they hired Jiggy to be the goalie coach…
Goalie Coach? Goalie Coach!?! We don't need no stinkin' Goalie Coach!
by AceODale on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We thought the same about Budaj….I guess he wasn’t done playing though.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
I’d call him a goalie wizard
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Bryz was actually the first young Russian goalie that Giggy mentored. How does his style compare with both Giggy and Varly’s? Is he more athletic or more positional/straight butterfly?
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Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Nobody is strictly one style or the other, but Bryz is a sound positional goalie with a solid butterfly foundation. His size and his skating are big assets and he uses his hands exceptionally well. He’s likely closer to Giggy stylistically than Varly who is much more athletic and aggressive.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I liked the 3 on 3 OT. Lot’s of ice, lots of action. Would love to see NHL implement OT as 5 mins of 4 on 4, then 5 mins of 3 on 3, then go to the shootout
Anything that keeps shootouts to a minimum. Although, at this time, I don’t mind them AS much…
Keep shuffling the lines, that will fix it.
by Tony Trujillo on Dec 20, 2011 7:31 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t understand bias against the shootout. You get that the NHL is an entertainment product, right? Shootouts are entertaining. Of the four “major” sports, the OT + Shootout hockey game resolution heirarchy is nowhere near as offensive as the requirement to continue to have to watch basketball players jog and foul for another set of final 3 minutes, the “what do you mean we don’t get a chance to score?” logic of the NFL, and the “Holy shit this game has been going on for 7 hours” enjoyment of the MLB.
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by Mike @ MHH on Dec 20, 2011 7:34 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same. I know many people hate them, but I think everyone agrees they are better than allowing ties.
Many of the games are pushing 11PM or later for end times as is.
It is in the leagues best interest (for building and keeping fans) to have the games finish without yet another period, and better yet, to finish with lots of excitement.
I just hate ties…if the shooutout is the way to get rid of ties, so be it
Goalie coach? We don't need no stinking goalie coach!
I love the shootout, but I think it’s overweighted in the standings. Fix the points to reward wins in regulation or OT more and I think more people will be on board.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
3-2-1-0
3 pts for Reg win
2 pts for OT/SO win
1 pts for OT/SO loss
0 pts for Reg loss
I would also keep the first tie-breaker as Reg/OT wins to make OT wins greater than SO wins.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
This system would not have significantly altered the playoff picture either of the last two years. Maybe one 8 seed changes. That’s it.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Then that’s even better. It removes the idea that playoff positions are determined by a skills competition.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
I like this better
3 points: Reg/OT win
2 points: S/O win
1 point: S/O loss
NO POINT FOR YOU: Reg/OT loss
haven’t science’d it yet to see what difference it might make though. I was a huge proponent of the Olympic system outlined above until I applied it to actual standings and nothing changed… of course I for one would rather see a game end in a tie than have any shoot out at all
Win: 2
Tie: 1
Loss: 0
First tiebreaker: Regulation wins vs. OT wins
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
I like this better
2 points for win.
0 points for loss.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
NO POINT FOR YOU: Reg/OT loss
That would certainly expose the nature of the coach. The aggressive coach would be scrapping for the 3 point night. The conservative coach would be trying to ensure the 1 point for making it to the shootout. Is that chance at 3 points worth risking an almost sure 1 point (with a second up for grabs in the skills competition)? Might be interesting to find out.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Think of basket ball where a free throw contest decides who wins the game….or make it a three point shooting contest. That’s kind of what the Shoot out is…..
And I don’t hate the shoot out……
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions
Last night was an entertaining one, but I don’t usually find the shootout particularly entertaining. I’d have much rather had another 5 min of 4v4
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 7:55 AM MST up reply actions
the 3v3 was pretty neat.
we dont see it very often.
I just think if the NHL adds yet another OT to the game, it hurts viewership.
Nothing will hurt viewership like the continued employment of Pierre McGuire.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Dec 20, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we should just have Milburry assault him
Goalie coach? We don't need no stinking goalie coach!
He’s already got one charge for assaulting a child, a second is gauranteed to get him a harsh sentence.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
Hey what does YMMV mean ?
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Your mileage may vary
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 20, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions
Ok Not sure how that applies to above.
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !
I couldn't agree more
Pierre McGuire should not be allowed to open his mouth ever again.
I like them cuz the Avs are super duper good at them.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Sacco really has had the boys fired up these past two games. I wonder if he’s done something different.
Keep shuffling the lines, that will fix it.
I am not sure, but I am positive that calling for his firing constantly is a good plan.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
It seems to be working!
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
Just one more valuable service provided by MHH.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
What doesn't MHH do for the Avs?
Research and Statistics Department: Check
Marketing Department: Check
Complaint Department: Check
Player Background Check Department: Check
Fan to Office Relations: Check
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Holy shit, that shootout. Could have done it with shooter tutors in goal…
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I still can’t believe how much room between Bryz’s pads Duchene created. He managed to shoot the puck upward through the five hole.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Against the grain to the far post too.
My favorite was Hejduk, who I think missed his spot about two inches too high. He seemed surprised the Bryz didn’t get it.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
His 5-hole was humongous big.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
by andidee15 on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Stopped more shots (but also allowed more goals) than any other goalie in history. Kinda like Brodeur, but not as soft.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
Even during the 3-on-3 Duchene was unable to pass the puck to wide-open teammates, kid’s head is not screwed on proper.
And why doesn’t our vaunted “big, tough defense” knock people on their butts more often? Danny Briere weighs no more than a box of cereal, and not once did he get knocked over.
I’m liking Malone, he plays with energy and is seems to know what to do on the ice. And while Hunwick hasn’t sucked, his presence on the blue line is making me miss Q and Mack truck- a lot!
Varly!
And why doesn’t our vaunted "big, tough defense" knock people on their butts more often?
They usually get called for a penalty…
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
Danny Briere weighs no more than a box of cereal, and not once did he get knocked over.
Rats always land on their feet?
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
And why doesn’t our vaunted "big, tough defense" knock people on their butts more often? Danny Briere weighs no more than a box of cereal, and not once did he get knocked over.
EJ tried on the GT goal, but he was also trying to deny the back of the net and freeze the puck and get a girl’s number in section 102. In other words, he was trying to do too much. And Silent Jay didn’t see the threat till it was too late.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Duchene tries to do things all by himself most of the time… that’s why. He needs to really get his team involved if he wants to succeed at becoming a cornerstone for this team.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
I thought he has been better these past games
He is now passing all the time, he can’t win. He does it himself, we yell at him, he passes all the time, we yell at him
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
Speculation has it that Duchene and Sacco don’t really see eye to eye. There’s even been rumblings that Sacco’s presence has limited the amount of “negotiations” for resigning #9. After all Tavares is locked up tight in NYI.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 21, 2011 12:35 AM MST up reply actions
Where in the world did you here this?
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 21, 2011 7:29 AM MST up reply actions
Your welcome
Last night when I changed after work I realized I threw on a SF Giants shirt. OBviously they are also an Orange and Black team. At intermission I realized my mistake, changed into an Avs shirt, and the Avs came out and scored 2 goals.
Obviously this means the Avs play better defense when I wear an avalanche shirt.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 9:12 AM MST reply actions
So, you didn’t wear an Avs shirt all last season?
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Avs bag on my head
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
I also rocked the Avs business ensemble to work yesterday (Frostbite blue button-up shirt, burgundy undershirt, khakis). So obviously Giggy’s success in the shootout was entirely due to my fashion sense.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
NHL.com now has an Avalanche tie for $75.00
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
The reason I don’t own one….that and I don’t wear a tie often enough to even think about spending that much on one.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Part of me just died.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The West
Not as uptight as you Eastern fuckers
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah and when I am forced to move to San Francisco I will fight the trend for my life.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Love SF. Would have loved to live there, but all the engineering jobs were in Si Valley
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
How much for an Avs win?
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Hey Jibs:
One puck randomly bouncing in the net off a skate in one game and a slow saucer from the blue line by McCleod in the next. Luck equalibrium? Via Osmosis is Corsi leaking from Minnesotta in to Colorado? I need graphs.
I'll keep this brief.
I think stats people would call it regressing, but I like the visual image of Corsi leaking from Minnesota to Colorado.
(Of course, Corsi isn’t a measure of luck, but that’s a minor nitpick to an entertaining comment).
But I think you’re right. These just were the bounces the Avs weren’t getting the first 2 months of the season. In fact these are the bounces the other team was getting, and Minnesota was getting in bucketfuls. I don’t think the Avs played any better or worse the last 2 nights than they did for a lot of losses, but the pucks just went in, and just as importantly, stayed out.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That graph is perfect. It all makes sense now.
But yeah, everyone is all pumped an excited for both wins (as am I). But the Avs were a bounce away from totally different outcomes. All-be-it, against a couple of really good teams. Still waiting for the team to dig in for a stretch with some 4-1, 5-2 games in their favor. That’s when I will believe the corner has been turned. Then again, the stat that shall not be named is yet to be broken.
I'll keep this brief.
Of course, Corsi isn’t a measure of luck
Ugh. Start from the beginning then.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Shields up.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
He who shall no longer be named is off the starboard bow.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Voldemort?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Think other sport….
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Corsi is a measure of possession. Offensive zone possession is a cause of a good corsi, i.e A good corsi will tell you that a team has good possession in the offensive zone (compared to defensive zone possession). The correlation between offensive zone possession (ES tied) and winning over the long term is very very strong.
When a team is winning with a poor corsi (See Wild, Minnesota), or another team is losing with a good Corsi (See avs) there are other factors that can be taken into account. Goaltending, Special Teams, and luck. If you eliminate other factors for the reason Corsi and standings don’t match (average goaltending, average special teams) Luck is the only thing left.
Minnesota’s a great example. They are getting great goaltending, but that goaltending has been unsustainably high (i.e lucky). Colorado has been getting bad goaltending from Varly, although I suspect his save% is usustainably low. Minnesota’s success is built on a house of cards, and Colorado has a strong foundation that hasn’t paid off…yet
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay that’s all fun and fine but when does Johnson score his next goal? Use your math and numbers.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Next game
± 20 games
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Oh Jibs, I was just kidding.
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A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, so THAT's what Corsi looks like!
Thanks for the graph! Flames fans would be proud.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
by andidee15 on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I had to DVR the game but what I thought
1) Giggy is a vet, and it is a good thing. That dude is so slow. I am glad he is never out of position
2) I am about tired of the Double Minor high sticking penalty where no one sees blood.
3) Galiardi is playing really good.
4) I think the team has been lots better when Malone is on the ice. I don’t know why, but he plays great defense and he is a really good forechecker. And he also hits like a train.
5) 2-1 work in practice please. There should be a shot on goal 90% of the time.
6) Johnson is starting to turn things around.
7) We leap over 2 teams last night. By the way, the Avs are just one point away from the Playoffs under the new realignment. But hey the season is still young and a lot of things can change.
8) This is the team I was expecting to see all year.
9) some tidbits about the Avs. The current players on the Avs has a career total 1117 goals, of which Hejduk has 410. Jagr has a career total of 733. If you take Hejduk total out Jagr would have more goals then the rest of the Avs team. Thank you Hejduk for not retiring last year.
you don't need blood
you need to be injured, which he apparently was… that was at least the explanation that was given
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
…which encourages embelishment does it not? Don’t like that rule at all. In fact, the automatic high stick penalties are crap anyway.
I'll keep this brief.
automatic high stick penalties?
You could say it encourages embelishment, but it’s usually obvious when people are faking (a la world cup game against the USA). What do you mean by automatic high stick penalties?
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions
Any stick to the face of an oppoenent is an automatic call. Even if you lift their stick in to your own face or you bend down to swip the puck with a glove and get a stick. There’s no room for interpretation from the refs, just like a delay of game penalty when flipping it over the glass.
I'll keep this brief.
I how can you interpret something like that, that happens so fast?
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I mean
If you lift a stick and it hits your face, it’s really hard to see exactly what happened because the sticks are small and they are moving fast. I’m alright with the automatic call because odds are they will go both ways (albeit if you don’t have an A on your jersey)
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Except when Luc Robitide acts like he got his throat slashed in the ’01 semi-finals with the Kings against the Avs. Slow motion replay showed that the stick missed his SHIELD by about and inch and he threw his head back for the high stick call. But, even if he would have hit him, it would have just nicked his helmet or shield causing zero damage to the player. Horrible way to effect the game.
I'll keep this brief.
but how often does that really happen? they can’t go to replay for every iffy call. What do you suggest they do?
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
That when a ref SEES the high stick, he can make an interpretation of the rule to determine if the player was irresponsible with his stick. Pretty simple. Now, even if it’s an act of God they cannot call it incidental contact with the stick. It’s automatic.
I'll keep this brief.
sounds simple enough, but then you will get refs who can still interpret a call wrong. I’d rather have more penalties called than needed than penalties missed, just my personal opinion
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
And I’d rather keep sticks away from faces. Sup Pronger’s eye?
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Whether or not a penalty is called won’t keep sticks away from people’s eyes. That is a product of the game, sometimes it just happens, and when Pronger was hit, it was clean according to the rules.
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Prongers Eye !
aaaaaaaagggghhhhhhhh !
Why do you have to remind me !
F|73RR08 The fan and artist formally known as FLYERROB ~ I do not advocate to be the comments of any fan base or any NHL Team but rather my own individual self ~ if that upsets you - Sorry. ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ Bob Wilson JR. ~ July 03rd 1944 - November 06th 2011 ~ ~ I love you Sis & Dad !
You want the 4? Then he’s injured enough to sit for 4. Sounds fair. If he comes on before both penalties end, it’s 2 mins for unsportsmanlike conduct.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
The 2 on 1 that Gali and Duchene had featured two uncalled penalties against the Flyers- Duchene was tripped and Gali interfered with, but they were wearing the A, so no penalty could be assessed on the play.
Varly!
by niwotsblessing on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
I see what you mean on that one, but there were three others I believe. We had three or four against San Jose on both games. We never get a shot on goal.
by avalanchejef on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Refs swallowing their whistles?
Seems that every game the refs are missing at least one egregious call for the avs, I know I am biased but take for example duchy getting tied up last night in the offensive zone, in open ice not 10 feet from the ref in the corner, he tried to pull away 3 times yet he couldn’t… no call.
This is where sacco needs to rip the refs a new one, it’s not that they are going to call that penalty now after the play is over, but the next time there is a questionable call the ref is going to have that thought of getting ripped in the back of his head and thus you have bought yourself a penalty later on in the game. Also, what message does that send to the team? When the coach doesn’t say a word to the refs about obviously blown calls, it sends a message that the coach doesn’t care enough to call out the ref and defend his players.
I really don't see what yelling at the refs does
If I’m a ref, and someone yells at me, in my opinion, I’d be LESS likely to give them a call rather than more likely. That being said, I do agree that it seems like we haven’t been getting calls, i really don’t know why. Our lack of a cycle game can help attribute to our lack of drawing penalties as well.
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Interesting thought there about the cycle, I have noticed we rarely cycle the puck but didn’t think of that in regards to penalties. I have reffed before and although you would think blowing up at the ref would have the opposite effect, it seems to make you watch more closely for said team thus maybe getting you a call. I’m also not talking throwing sticks and equipment on the ice type of behavior but letting the ref know he blew it or that hey my guy in the corner just got the shit slashed out of his wrist etc.
I figure, you get a good cycle, the other team gets tired, stops moving their feet, and they start to hook/hold/trip/interfere etc.
by ProfessorOak on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Happened at least once for the Avs last night. The Stastny started a great cycle, good enough for a complete line change, and the penalty got called while the O’Reilly line was out. It was a wonderful thing.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Sacco was at least talking to the ref after the double minor on Landy last night…I’d like a little more form him, but it’s a start. If fact I think he’s “questioned” calls the last two games.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
I’d rather a coach calmly talk to a ref than yell at them. Seems like it has more potential for actually affecting things
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
This times a billion. All the smart coaches interviewed say this, they don’t argue for the call that was missed/made, that’s already done, they know that if they call out the refs, the next call is coming their way, they’re trying to buy a call because they know the ref will be thinking in the back of their mind, oh man I screwed them over with that bad call.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Pissing a ref off rarely ever benefits you our your team. This is from experience also.
by avalanchejef on Dec 20, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
So sacco keeping his mouth shut behind the bench on bogus calls or missed calls has really benefited the avs in getting calls our way? I don’t know the numbers but I know that there have been multiple instances this year when the avs have gotten absolutely boned in terms of powerplays for vs. against.
No, but if you call the ref over during a break in the action, and calmly point out that he missed a call out there without making him look bad, you’ll get the benefit of the doubt later.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
Jesus fucking christ. Sacco’s team just beat Washington and Philly, and people are still fucking criticizing him. This time over not freaking out about a bad call. There were dozens of bad calls. Should he have yelled more, thrown his stick, and gotten a bench minor? That would have showed passion for his team. HE IS SUCH A HORRIBLE COACH BECAUSE HE DIDN’T THROW A TEMPERTANTRUM. AHRHAGHFGHAHFGGHGHGHGGHGHG
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
They are still on the fringes of the playoffs despite getting sub-par performances from Stastny, Duchene, Varlamov, the Imaginary Awesomeness of Joakim Lindstrom, David Jones and His Sprained Manhood, and the Rotting Corpse of Milan Hejduk.
That’s Jack Adams stuff right there.
This team has a .500 record in the division, and we’re sitting competing for the top spot in the Western Conference.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
I’m not saying Sacco is to blame… but I felt I should add it to the whole subpar performances from those stars.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
There has been no mention of firing the coach in any of my posts nor do I see it in others replies to what was being said about the reffing or lack thereof. I never suggested “freaking out” either, I’m talking about calling the ref out during a whistle pointing out the missed call, maybe getting pissed with an obscenity but no means a temper tantrum.
My post was in response to the lack of calls by the refs in our favor, that not only has hurt us in games by giving us fewer power plays but also injuries to one of our top d-men in wilson. So if the coach can contribute to more calls coming our way why wouldn’t he?
How do you know what Sacco says or does during the games, besides what is shown on TV? Do you attend every game in person and sit close enough to know what he says on the bench?
I do not pretend to know every single thing he says or does on the bench, but every time a coach calls over a ref there is a camera on it for the most part, the reason being to catch instances such as coaches going over the top about a call. I have seen sacco talk to refs exactly 3 times this year, two of those instances were the last two games so improvement is being made as far as my opinion on this is concerned.
I was in Columbus in October and behind the BluJax bench when Scott Arniel lit up a ref in the first period. The ref then proceeded to rip into Arniel with his own profanity-laced shouting and let him know that he continued down that road in such a fashion he could very well be thrown out of the game. I noticed that as the game progressed (after the second intermission an apology occurred between the two) there started to be some more favorable calls for the BluJax. So I think letting the ref know he’s missed a call can be a good thing—it’s all in how you approach it I suppose.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 AM MST up reply actions
Obviously our defense is better than theres… Hunwick > Pronger.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
right now it is. Hunwick is playing, Pronger is not.
by avalanchejef on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Is that the award they give out for just showing up?
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
No, it’s the one they give Lidstrom every year because they don’t know how to gauge defensive performance and simply default to precedent.
The blogist formerly known as Paul's Coffey
by Brett Shumway on Dec 20, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
But on to important things. Anyone started The Old Republic yet? I’ll probably download it tonight but won’t be able to play until late tomorrow.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Not yet… I know for a fact the Wife spent a lot of money on me for Christmas, and then I got a new “free” phone which isn’t free when you add all the other shit on it, and dropping $70 ($50 for the download and $20 for the first month) and then dropping $130 on hockey lessons…. well Lets say it adds up fast
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I think I’ll be playing alongside Dario and DID
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Anyone know why Jagr was not in the shootout last night????
by spokane-avs-fan on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM MST reply actions
He needs more moves.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 20, 2011 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
I heard he hates the shootout and refuses to do it
by GregDaybreak on Dec 20, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
He’s like 2 for 22 or something. The Philadelphia Inquirer asked this question too.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Read your own damn link. Sheesh. 5 for 22.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the response. My folks called after the game with the question and I wasnt aware of Jagr’s lack of shootout skill. I thought it was a road game and he was giving the kids a shot. Thanks again!!!!
by spokane-avs-fan on Dec 20, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Per Dater, Jiggy in vs. Blues
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
I can’t fully agree with him there. Seems like it’s a simple “play until you lose” goalie hierarchy right now.
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
I dont quite buy the “new #1” line.
This is probably extra time for Valry to heal properly.
Plus Giggy is playing well, so let Varly rest and give Giggy some extra time in net.
He deserves it – so long as we dont over play him – not that that has ever happened with our goalies before.
I don’t buy it, either. As far as I know, there is no “technical” criteria for being considered the #1 goalie. Also, there are no quotes from, you know, the head coach saying that anything is official.
Varly and Giggy are both good goalies, but Varly’s on a bit of a rough patch with a minor injury, and Giggy’s been extremely solid recently. When Giggy loses, Varly will get a couple games, and when Varly loses, they’ll trade again. I don’t think we have a true #1 this year – we have a tandem. Dater’s making more drama that there really is.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Dater make more drama out of some thing? Not Dater.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 20, 2011 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yea, not buying it either. Varley is a bit banged up and Giggy is playing really solid. Let the guy heal up.
by avalanchejef on Dec 20, 2011 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
mmmmmm
and maybe quincey!
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 20, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Shift A’d all of you. Now back to Skyrim
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM MST reply actions
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