Game 28 Recap: Vancouver Scores Early and Often, Routs Colorado
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 6, 2011 10:27 PM MST
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Quick and Dirty Summary: First period: good, Second Period : Okay, Third Period: yuck.
First Period:
The first big play of the game, which was also Ryan Wilson's first shift of the game, is a hit that sends Wilson face-first into the boards. He clutched said face, left the ice and didn't come back. Moser poster on his Twitter during the second period that Wilson wouldn't return due to a head injury. Let's hope he can overcome the injury quickly. The play went un-penalized and on the next shift Daniel Sedin brings the puck to the net as he attempted a wraparound. The puck hit Semyon Varlamov and went into the net. This puts the Avs down 1-0 early in the first. Within moments of that goal, Jay McClement gets a good chance on a set-up by Daniel Winnik, but Roberto Luongo manages to make it to the puck in time. McClement hadn't elevated the puck enough to bury that one. Most of the first period is played in the Canucks' end of the ice as the Avalanche are putting constant pressure on them, but are unable to get the lead where it matters: the scoreboard.
A few minutes later Kevin Porter does what can be called a questionable hit. He seems to have led the hit with his knee. For this hit Porter got a five minute penalty and a ten minute game misconduct. Don't be surprised if he gets contacted by Shanahan regarding that hit. During the five minute penalty kill, served by Brandon Yip, the Avalanche were able to hold Vancouver off and keep them relatively harmless. Colorado was unable to score on their (albeit shorter) power play attempt. The Avs head to the lockerroom down one goal and two players. Avs lead shots 11-6, hits 19-6, and face offs 75% to 25%.
Second Period:
Avs putting a lot of pressure on the Canucks but once again the Avalanche just can't get the puck behind Luongo. There was a scary moment when Gabriel Landeskog took a shot on net and caught Luongo in the neck. Luongo crumpled to the ice and the trainers came out to tend to him. After a short while, Luongo was deemed unable to play and was replaced. The Avs start peppering back-up Corey Schneider with shots, but he stood his ground. On an ensuing Vancouver rush, Matt Duchene was without a stick and the Canucks take advantage of it, scoring their second goal of the night. The Avalanche managed to keep the pressure and puck possession up but are still unable to get onto the scoreboard. The were again dominant in shots 12-5 for the period but didn't pot a goal on two more power play chances.
Third Period:
Are you sure you want to know what happened in the third? Really? Okay... five minutes into the third period, during some hot 4-on-4 action, the Avs watch a third puck creep behing Varlamov. Varly had lost his stick and so Stefan Elliott provided him with his, however no one passed Elliott a stick. Because of this, he was unable to challenge Daniel Sedin, who took advantage and scored his second goal of the night. This is also the second goal of the night that there was an Avalanche player missing their stick. Very quickly after this goal, the Canucks were able to get their fourth of the night and it's best just not to talk about it. About a minute later and Altitude favorite Daniel Sedin notches yet another goal to earn his 5th career hat trick. The put a cherry on this stinkpile, Avs go down 6-0 with ten about minutes left in the third as the Canucks score their first power play goal of the night to add some variety. That would be the end of the night for Semyon Varlamov. He finished with six goals on 21 shots. The remainder of the game didn't feature anything worth re-capping.
- 1 Jay McClement
- 2 Kyle Quincey
- 3 TJ Galiardi
- 1 T.J. Galiardi - Matt Duchene - David Jones
- 2 Gabriel Landeskog - Ryan O`Reilly - Milan Hejduk
- 3 Daniel Winnik - Jay McClement - Chuck Kobasew
- 4 Stefan Elliott - Kevin Porter - Brandon Yip
- 1 Before the game head coach Joe Sacco made the decision to use seven defensemen. This turned out to be a great decision as Wilson had to leave after his first shift due to a possible head injury after a hit into the boards. Forward Chuck Kobasew returned after missing the last game against Detroit.
- 2 Duchene won 86% of his faceoffs, and Galiadi won 100% of his.
- 3 Galiardi and O`Byrne each had 5 hits.
The Avs take on the Flames in Calgary on Thursday.
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Everyone take a shower, burn the game film, and move on.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
I took a shower between the 2nd and third periods so I could get to bed earlier…..cause I’m not doing that again.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 6, 2011 10:37 PM MST up reply actions
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 6, 2011 10:36 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
You have no idea.
This is what I was doing trying to pick the three stars.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 6, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
This never gets old
especially the eyeball yo-yo part.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
That was pathetic
I only saw from the 10 minute mark of the second period on. Sound like they may have been better the first 30 minutes. But that was boys against men. Looked like a minor league team against the defending western champs.
There were so many holes in the defensive end tonight. Almost every Vancouver shot I saw got through to the goalie (and usually past him), whereas particularly in the third, the avs couldn’t do anything except shoot/pass right into Canuck skates.
In half the game, I bet I could have counted about 10 instances where the avs had possession in their own end and ended up passing into each others’ skates (bounced to a fore-checker), or passing around the boards to… nobody (actually a Canuck)…
Can someone explain to me how we had Vancouver “on the run” (per Mcnabb) when we were down 0-2? And how there were “no bad signs” other than the score?
THE COLORADO AVALANCHE HAVE WON THE STANLEY CUP. RAYMOND BOURQUE: A DREAM COME TRUE!
(.. and then he burned the film and wiped his memory...)
… Who am I?
THE COLORADO AVALANCHE HAVE WON THE STANLEY CUP. RAYMOND BOURQUE: A DREAM COME TRUE!
Until midway through the second it was true.
They had three, maybe four, scoring chances and capitalized on both. But the Avs were outplaying/out hitting/ out shooting. They just couldn’t get it past the freaking goaltender (s).
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 6, 2011 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. I kinda knew this was coming after 3 straight. What ever happened to that Brian Elliott fella? Oh, he’s playing for a coach who knows a lil something about defense. Wasn’t Hitch available a few weeks back? Hmmmmm. At least its nice to watch Radar and Landekalder.
ToledoAvsFan
man I would not be a fan of the Avs signing Hitchcock. I don’t think his coaching style would fit this team and personally I like some excitement in my hockey
Definitely not a fit.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
I had a FanPost about this. And what do you know, since signing Hitchcock on Nov. 6 the Blues are 9-2-3 including tonight’s DIVISIONAL win over Detroit. The guy knows how to get teams to win, he may not be able to keep them winning past three years but…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 6, 2011 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, we should totally be desiring to be in this exact situation in three years' time.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM MST up reply actions
Good point. By then Steve Konowalchuk will be ready to lead this team forward. You sign Hitchcock to a 3 year deal and call it good. But I’d take 9-2-3 over this win 1 lose 2 nonsense we’ve had to endure since Nov. 6 with Clueless Joe.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 12:36 AM MST up reply actions
Hey, there you are!
I’ve been wondering where you’ve been during the 3-game winning streak (including one win over Ken Hitchcock’s new team). Welcome back, too bad your return coincided with a loss…bad timing, huh?
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
(including one win over Ken Hitchcock’s new team)
but….but….
nvm, haha
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Oh, I’m sorry I didn’t know I had to respond to every post you’d throw at me. I was actually at the Jersey and St. Louis games…
And for the record, Sacco was outcoached against the Blues, but that new O’Reilly Line wouldn’t be denied. But we can look at Mr. Sacco’s regulation wins for the tiebreaker right? Keep drinking the Sacco Kool-Aid, I suppose…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 12:59 AM MST up reply actions
Hahahahaha. Someone just referred to Dan and Kool-Aid in the same sentence.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 7, 2011 2:43 AM MST up reply actions
That is quite funny. I’m anti-Sacco for my own reasons (well more Lefebvre than Sacco)…but how can you tell if you get outcoached? Can I be schooled on this one?
That said, I know the Avs won’t do anything about Sacco this year, so I have just given up talking about it, and will enjoy the ride
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
but how can you tell if you get outcoached?
Dont know exactly but watch a University of Iowa football game against Minnesota, Nebraska or Iowa State and you will see it.
Well that’s in other sports where things are slower paced and more meticulous.
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Watching the progression of the game, it was actually pretty well coached. They guys came in with a game plan that was all about hustle, possession, hitting, and shots. That kind of play takes a lot of energy. Vancouver was also well coached, and they played the counter-punch game, and when the opportunity appeared early, they struck. As the game wore on, the Avs burned out and the wheels fell off.
The problem is, with the talent level the Avs have on the top lines, the only way they will beat Vancouver is with energy, or a goalie absolutely standing on his head (or some combination of the two). The bench was short last night, and got shorter with the Porter brain lock error. Vancouver waited the Avs out, and then kicked their ass when they got tired.
Talent beat desire last night. That’s all.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
Totally agree, I don’t think they got out coached. I think they just plain got there asses handed to them over the last 30 minutes. That 3rd period was a plain old curb stomping.
But at least this is something that can be fixed. Keep the good players and eventually replace the bad. Hopefully sooner rather than later. When the players aren’t working hard you can’t tell what the hell is wrong.
Nothing that a judicious climbing off the salary floor wouldn’t fix. Spending willy-nilly for the sake of it won’t make it better (Hi-ya Rangers!), but carefully planned additions will improve the Avs situation.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
but that new O’Reilly Line wouldn’t be denied
Yeah, what moron thought to put those guys together. Oh, right. THE COACH.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
After roughly a third of the season saw a 3rd Line Winger gathering the most ice time…one good move doesn’t wipe away the countless bad ones…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 AM MST up reply actions
To be fair to the Elliott comment...
A) He’s on his second coach of the season.
B) His play is not sustainable, although I like him showing up Avs and Sens fans.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:47 PM MST up reply actions
Watching the postgame. I’m afraid Rycroft has been programmed. I miss the honest Rycroft.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
He’s been “Altiboobed?”
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
by chiavsfan on Dec 7, 2011 5:03 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep. And I know damn well that someone told him to smile more, because he was forcing the hell out of grins from ear to ear last night following a 6-0 thrashing. Dammit. I felt like I was watching Jack Nicholson near the end of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
How bad was Wilson? Concussion?
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 PM MST reply actions
We don't know yet.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Did it look bad?
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
He went, kinda nose first. It looked rather unpleasant.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Ouch. I've been there. Hope he's okay.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
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"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And by that, I mean things always even out.
Did everyone really think Elliott was going keep up with the 0.666 GPG pace?
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, 0.667.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
Fire Sacco
Im just angry with this game. I like some of the guys too much to blame them, so Sacco is a natural target.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
That was less than outstanding.
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 6, 2011 10:48 PM MST reply actions
Hey, I was going to say that.
Stastny was completely invisible out there. Ship the Bum out.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions
I thought he and Mueller were susposed to be a big part of this team?
Spoon!!!!!!!!
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 7, 2011 7:59 AM MST up reply actions
Mueller back to being unavailable because of head injury
THE COLORADO AVALANCHE HAVE WON THE STANLEY CUP. RAYMOND BOURQUE: A DREAM COME TRUE!
So so sad. He really just needs to retire.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 6, 2011 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
Yup. At some point he’s going to have to realize that it’s just not going to happen. I feel awful, but it’s been a season-plus now…and it seems this just won’t go away.
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
If he retires do we lose the cap hit? That would be horrible if we couldn’t count his salary against the cap!!!!!!!!!
lol
i love it when douche bags troll just because it’s Dater and then realize it’s not Dater. What fucking idiots, that seriously pisses me off. trolling just because of who wrote the article and not because of what they wrote… add that to the list of reasons why MHH is ten thousand times better than DP, fuck those ass holes and fuck the redwings
by ProfessorOak on Dec 6, 2011 11:27 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed.
(rec’d)
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
Except that the trolls have started here, too. You’ll see. Soon they’ll be showing up just to yell about Sandie’s cupcakes or something.
That’d be odd.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 7, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Well, either of these would be odd.
It's all about Winnik
by Sandie Gauthier on Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
does this mean anything? He was never cleared from his head injury… He may very well be where he was before the groin
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 7, 2011 12:16 AM MST up reply actions
It means we should never ever count on him to be anything ever again in an Avs jersey. If he is it’s gravy, but don’t count on it.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
right… so nothing has changed
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 7, 2011 12:21 AM MST up reply actions
It means we’re seeing the signs that we’ve yet again been cursed…
Greg from Accounting did a phenomenal job with his free agency pick-ups prior to this year. Banking on Mueller coming back but not really addressing if he didn’t. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best right? Not with Greg, his motto? “Overpay purely on speculation.” For proof see Lindstrom, Joakim
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 12:37 AM MST up reply actions
The Avs lost one game
The sky must be falling down
FIRE EVERYONE!!!!
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
by andidee15 on Dec 7, 2011 12:42 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
A DIVISIONAL game. The first of 3 road divisional games nonetheless. Not a good start after winning 3, especially an emotional win against a “former” rival. But I suppose if you’re ok with the whole 1 step forward 2 steps back mentality, it’s ok.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 AM MST up reply actions
3 steps forward 1 step back?
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 AM MST up reply actions
And all the losses prior? Or are you only going off of the last 4 of our record breaking 8 game home stand?
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:25 AM MST up reply actions
its just a counter example. But when you compare the wings and nucks games as you did, it would be 1 step forward… and 1 step back. Thats my point. its all very arbitrary
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 AM MST up reply actions
Fair enough. I’m trying NOT to take the Scott Hastings approach (taking it in 5 game increments)—and looking at the whole picture. We are, unfortunately, as our record states—an average team at best. I was hoping that those last 3 home games would wake them from their ways.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:47 AM MST up reply actions
We are, unfortunately, as our record states—an average team at best.
Cool, so you’re on the team? Can you give us some insider insight on whats going on with the Wilson and Stastny injuries?
Sure. So is apparently HeyPeterman as well. See his assessment of “our” team further below.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 8, 2011 7:34 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Last night the Avs played a good 40:00. But when you are with out your #1 center (even if you believe he hasn’t been playing well), you start the game with 11 forwards and then lose another one early, you only have three lines. When you roll 3 lines and have a team built on speed and energy, they are going to wear out. The Avs wore out in the third period and the Nucks took advantage. Let’s see how the rest of this road trip falls before we jump off a bridge…..
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
13 steps forward 14 1/2 steps back.
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
Two steps forward, two steps back.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Outstanding use of haiku
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Sacco called the Porter ejection a marginal call. That’s not something I agree with at all, but the real story is the response: “Have you seen the replay?”
YEAH SKIPPERJOE ARE YOU AN EXPERT??
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
by SteveHouse on Dec 6, 2011 11:01 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I saw that in the postgame blog. I was waiting for Sacco to say that (the expert bit)…it would have been epic
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
This
needs to be green
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
I thought it was interesting he called Porter Hit as marginal, but I thought he was spot on in the comment about wilson
by avalanchejef on Dec 6, 2011 11:13 PM MST up reply actions
Even with a “small sample size”, Hitch is a proven winner, known for his defense, (has a cup, tho Hull was in the crease) and got the BJ’s into the playoffs, for goodness sake. Small sample: the Blues at 6-2-2 in their last 10. Brian Elliott has a 1.56 GAA and a .944 save % this season. Halak has found his game, too. All since Hitchcock took over a young, quick, Blues team. And, the awful Davis Payne-less Blues now have 33 points and are in a playoff spot. The Sacco Avs have 27 points, are still looking up. BTW: Varly has a 3.02 GAA and .899 save %. My math say that’s about twice as many goals per game the Avs are giving up with the “small sample size” of the Sacco/Sly system. We’ll see if it all evens out.
ToledoAvsFan
"Hate Losing More Than I Love Winning"
Elliot played lights out before Hitch. I think the Halak and what Oshie has done since Hitch has been more impressive
by avalanchejef on Dec 6, 2011 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
Small sample size: in Varly's shutout win against the Bruins, he was 1.00 with a 0.00 GAA.
I can do this all day.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 11:44 PM MST up reply actions
You're back, too!
Hey man, welcome back. Hadn’t seen you around here the past few days. You know, right around the time that we were reeling off that winning streak against some pretty good teams and Varly’s goals against was really low. Have you been hanging out with quietstorm560? Just asking because it’s kind of weird that you aren’t around to tell us about Hitchcock when we’re winning, but first loss, and there you guys are. What a coincidence!
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 12:51 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Players Only Meeting was called prior to the Devils game. You can call it what you’d like, but that revealed a lot to me. And it was very similar to the “time-out” called by O’Brien when he decided to rip into the team during that game a few weeks back.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 AM MST up reply actions
oh lord
players only meetings are called all the freaking time. stop reading into shit.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 1:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Liles got an assist tonight…Leafs handed Rangers another home loss…right?
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:50 AM MST up reply actions
wat?
though I love talking about Hot Pocket, what the fuck does that have to do with the price of Stastny’s contract?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 1:53 AM MST up reply actions
Stastny is a pussy??? I think that answers all questions at this point
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
He is a pussy, gets injured and sits out a game……
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Meanwhile, back in realityland, the Leafs lost in overtime to the Devils.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Touche’
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
Nice job with the recap. I probably would have submitted a one word profanity post.
Varly seemed really pissed after that third goal where he was using Elliott’s stick. He threw it away from him and I guess maybe he lost his composure after that. Goalie Guild usually doesn’t like when goalies show big reactions like that. I am afraid to look at what his save percentage was for this game and what it did to his overall save %. But why not go all in with torturing myself, the save percentage for the game was .714 and sadly his overall save went from .905 back down below .900 to .899. I think Sacco probably should have pulled him sooner, he clearly lost it there in the 3rd and wasn’t making saves. Although the team allowing the creepy Sedins to pass freely didn’t help.
I find it curious that McLean was with the team in Vancouver, I don’t know if he worked with Varly, but if so, it wasn’t too effective.
Just Fire Sacco
and hire Carlyle while he is still out there. the Sacco firing is inevitable and you might as well get a coach that can actually coach while they are out there…
You can wish all you want, but it's not gonna happen.
Just learn to live with that fact and life will be a lot easier.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 6, 2011 11:45 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think they should fire Sacco. I just think they should hire someone else and have Sacco stand behind him. For a few years….
Andyray ArlyleCay
I think Sacco is on the hot seat, and for good reason, but if you think the Avs are going anywhere outside the “coach from within” model…well then you are delusional
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Didn’t we try demoting the coach for a while once before? Didn’t work out real well…
No soup for you!
I’m still scratching my head over that move.
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Who was coaching the Avs during their recent winning streak? Did they switch something up? It was still Sacco, right, or did I miss something?
Hey, did you know that it was basically Ryan vs. Carlyle in Anaheim – either he goes or I go? I’d hate to have something like that here with one of our young players. That would suck.
basically Ryan vs. Carlyle
Not sniping, but do you actually have evidence? Or is it just hypothesis?
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
You should have asked if he was an expert.
Did he see the replays?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Should’ve known that “Slow” Joe Sacco wouldn’t have the boys ready to play a DIVISIONAL game. And after all the effort ot the past 3 games at home. I agree with Moser though, the game was really in control until the third when the Nucks just exploded. And also agree with the comment that we looked like a talent-concussed AHL squad out there tonight. Throwing everything at the net from the oddest angles. Outhitting, outshooting, and yes even outplaying but with this limited talent and poor coaching to spur it on an experienced and grizzled team like Vancouver can weather that storm and then turn it around in their favor. They showed a lot of the chances again during the intermissions and postgame, and most of these shots were straight on—no screens, nothing. You think NHL quality netminders like Luongo and Schneider are gonna let those in? I’m also not surpised that we “lost” Statsny—superstar can’t hang in this division and didn’t want to play against the big mean Nucks, Flames, and Oil on this roady.
This season is toast. Washington gets another great draft pick. And we get to sit here stuck with a clueless coach watching as we join Conference A only to be throttled and mocked by the rest of the NHL next year. All because we have cheap ownership, piss-poor management (who gives away EVERYTHING on speculation), and a 3rd line grinder of a coach who couldn’t win in the AHL let alone the big league.
Ha ha ha! “Slow” Joe – that’s a really good one. I’m still chuckling about it. I guess you must save those witty comments up during the wins and then just bust them out during the losses. Good stuff, quietstorm560. Keep being the great poster you are. See you after the next loss!
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I posted after the Jersey game. Was a bit pre-occupied after the Blues game, and enjoyed the Red Wings win…so….
Who are you again? I don’t seem to remember you, well, at all…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:01 AM MST up reply actions
Who are you again? I don’t seem to remember you, well, at all…
ooooh oh man. internet burn, wow, i’m impressed by your wit
Cap Floor Team = Cap Floor Results
by Cole D Hamilton on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 AM MST up reply actions
I wasn’t being mean, I just don’t know who he is and then he’s all calling me out…seemed quite hypocritical to say the very least is all…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:24 AM MST up reply actions
I’m here all the time, every day. You, on the other hand, just happened to pop up again after this loss which, if you know anything about hockey, can’t be pinned one bit on Sacco.
I was here before you got here and I’ll be here after you’re gone.
He will haunt your steps, he will hold his shotgun and scream for you to get off his lawn. He is DiD, ruler of the free world!!!
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Oh…okay. This type of mentality is frightening. Wow…just wow. I love how this board is just like the real world—clique-ish and heaven forbid you go against the grain and have a differing opinion. But if you’re content with 7 regulation wins over the course of 2 seasons I guess that’s cool.
Shroof…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 8, 2011 2:50 AM MST up reply actions
heaven forbid you go against the grain and have a differing opinion
I fucking hate this line of reasoning. There is no freaking grain. We all disagree all the time.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 8, 2011 3:52 AM MST up reply actions
It’s not the opinion it’s how you say it.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 8, 2011 7:18 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly. You might be the most reasonable person ever and you just came here on a bad day. But you come across as either (a) a troll or (b) the worst negative Nancy ever. You may just need to vent a little. We all do that. But most of us have spent a little time here building relationships first so that the other people here know that we are just venting and that we aren’t trolls just looking for a place to tear the organization down.
So … relax. Take a deep breath. Try to make a couple of jokes. If you are just going to rant, it helps to tell people so that so they can ignore it.
I’m assuming “you” isn’t me.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 8, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
Nope. It’s you.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions
Good, cause I stopped reading after this
You might be the most reasonable person ever…
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
You asked who I was, I told you. I pointed out that you seem to have one particular point you seem to like to make, and that’s firing Sacco. I pointed out that you seem like a frontrunner because I didn’t hear “boo” from you during the winning streak. I pointed out that the Vancouver loss couldn’t in any way shape or form be pinned on Sacco.
If you’ve got something to say, then say it. People will agree, disagree, or both.
Does typing DIVISIONAL in all caps all the time make it more important?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 1:46 AM MST up reply actions
sorry…i don’t have the option to boldface the font on the device I’m using to post with, Cheryl
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:47 AM MST up reply actions
but does it really need to be emphasized?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 1:49 AM MST up reply actions
I felt so….this coach has won 1 divisional game this year…that’s lottery mentality in my book…you can’t really make an impact if you’re consistently losing in your own division…
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 2:33 AM MST up reply actions
the importance of inter-division games is not lost on the people here. emphasizing it really isn’t necessary for people who already are aware of the implications.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 6:22 AM MST up reply actions
Fair enough. But it is useful when pointing out the ineptitude (or is it ineptness?) of this coaching staff.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol
ok.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Should’ve known that "Slow" Joe Sacco wouldn’t have the boys ready to play a DIVISIONAL game
Yeah, the Avs came out slow and really had it taken to them by the Canucks
checks score summarry and shot line
Errr…. Sacco just can’t get the boys to finish. I mean they come out strong, but good coaching will keep them going through the game.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 7:31 AM MST up reply actions
For the Avalanche, this was an example of the acme offense. The one named for the acme company in the roadrunner cartoons, where wile e. coyote uses every acme tool in the warehouse, but he cannot catch the roadrunner because all the dynamite, gadgets, hammers…everything in the acme catalog is inefficient and no matter how much energy and effort wile e. puts into using his acme arsenal, he comes up empty. The Avs outshoot the opponent, outhit them, spend time in the offensive zone, but really it is an exercise in futility, as we do not score. Beep beep.
...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!
by 7sky on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Can't say I'm surprised,
but I am disappointed. Up until the second goal, the Avs were pressuring the play, and if one had gone in, I think it would have been a different game. Then “Statsny” got “hurt”, they changed the goalie, and the Avs couldn’t score despite a couple good minutes of quality play. When the Nucks scored, the deflation of the Avs was visible, and I felt I could skip most of the rest of the game. So I went to do my job. Came back and it was 6-0. glad I didn’t stick around, but I’d like to see a bit more fight than the score indicates. Like I said, I didn’t watch after the 2nd goal, so maybe they did try, but… damn.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
The 10 minutes I saw... they looked like they were trying. O'Brien was pissed.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 AM MST up reply actions
I thought they tried hard and played well until they were down by two + 5-6 minutes. Then I just had this feeling it was over. Sorry guys, next time I’ll try to have that “oh here comes a SHG for the Avs” feeling.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Did Stastny get hurt last night? I though he got hurt against Detroit and didn’t start last night. That led to 7 D-men again, so when Wilson got boarded and Porter got ejected the Avs were left with 10 forwards and 6 D.
Being able to only run three lines hurt the Avs. They were tired in that third period and the Nucks exploited it.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
“Statsny” is in quotes because I’m referring to Luongo as a pussy. Which is also why “hurt” is in quotes.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Even though it was a 6-0 loss
we actually looked pretty good for 40 minutes and played like we gave a damn throughout the entire game. The fights by Quince (x2!!!) and O’Brien late in the game showed at least that, as did the hussle from everyone else. There was a pretty serious breakdown in the third, but we only had 3 lines tonight. A bunch of bottom six guys were getting huge minutes, which included quite a bit of PK (which looked pretty darn good as well). We got outplayed by a more talented club tonight that was able to convert on their scoring chances when we weren’t. It wasn’t like the Valentine’s Day Massacre where we played lifeless hockey for 60 minutes. The guys wanted it tonight – they just couldn’t make it happen.
One of my only concern is Varly. He was clearly flustered after the second goal in the 3rd and ended up letting in two more after that. I understand that Sacco wanted to show confidence in him by leaving him in, but in hindsight, it was clearly the wrong decision. Giggy will probably get the start in Calgary. Varly will get another chance soon, but it looks like it’s time for a little break for the Ninja Spider.
Wilson and Stastny – please get better soon. We need you. :(
We need to work on following our rebounds. We’re not a great puck possession team by any means, but I think that if we found a way to get offensive rebounds and generate multiple high-quality shots off each shift, that would help our offense greatly against teams like Vancouver who take away our neutral zone. Tonight, we shot from the blueline and watched as VAN scooped up the puck and carried it out of our zone. The only way I can see this changing is if we make more of an effort to go to the net with our sticks on the ice. Camping out with our asses right in the goalie’s face for the majority of the game is the only way we’re going to beat guys like Schneider.
Duchene and Jones – it still doesn’t work. We need to find a different winger. On the other hand, it’s good to see Gali coming back to his game. He looked pretty solid tonight.
I think the score was a whole lot shittier than the way we played. We still probably deserved to lose (especially after the 3rd), but not by that much. There were positives to this game. If we can play this physically against Calgary while concentrating on driving the net, I think we’ll be okay. You aren’t going to win them all, but I saw a team tonight that wasn’t okay with losing. Right now, that’s just about all we can ask for.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
by andidee15 on Dec 7, 2011 12:23 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100% with you.
Tonight was one of 10 games per year where you have no chance in Hell of winning. Happens to every team. Tomorrow is a new day, I hope the players learn and move on from this game.
Colorado College Hockey, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rockies fan to the death.
"We should be dreaming. We grew up as kids having dreams, but now we're too sophisticated as adults, as a nation. We stopped dreaming. We should always have dreams." -Herb Brooks
You forget Kipper PWNS the Avs. It’ll be tough, even with the adjustments you’re asking them to make.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 1:27 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you on the break for Varly next game. Playing him 7 games in a row was a lot I thought for someone coming back from a slump, plus he never really did that in Washington. Don’t want to wear him out. Let Giggy get a game or two so Varly can get back to playing well again. I agree that he got flustered and lost it in the 3rd.
We need to work on following our rebounds. We’re not a great puck possession team by any means, but I think that if we found a way to get offensive rebounds and generate multiple high-quality shots off each shift, that would help our offense greatly against teams like Vancouver who take away our neutral zone. Tonight, we shot from the blueline and watched as VAN scooped up the puck and carried it out of our zone.
I don’t think this is correct, Andi. Last night they were a good puck possession team (better by a far shot than Vancouver) and they got tons of chances from in close. None of them fell. It didn’t help to lose Stastny. I can’t tell if losing Porter for the game hurt or not, though it sure made the line shuffle crazy. It didn’t help that Jones had a fairly pedestrian night, IMO. E.J. looks like he’s still trying to get the swing of things.
Gali, Winnik, and McCl. all looked good. The defense did a great job for most of the night. That first goal, it was O’Byrne that broke his stick and Dutchy gave him his. The shot went right through O’Byrne with a forward’s stick. If he’d had his own, who knows? Losing Wilson hurt. Hopefully he’ll be back soon.
In the end, though, I’ll take a game like last night over most of the later games last season any day. The Avs were in the game until late, but they looked like they cared the whole time. Even after the shots started falling for the Canuckles in the third, the Avs still had life. Hell, Landeskog looked like he wanted to turn the night around all by himself.
In the end, though, Vancouver is a really good team, playing on a really good stretch of their season and the Avs flat out-played them most of the game, despite all the crazy line shuffles. It broke down in the third and Vancouver is too good not to take advantage. End of story.
I think Duchene actually broke TWO sticks on the same shift before the goal. He needs to have words with his stick sponsor.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
The first goal O’Byrne collided with Galiardi, taking them both out of the play.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
They both get a -1…but that stat is useless :)
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
In my opinion, O’Byrne has not played well this year. Going out past the faceoff dots as a defenseman to block a shot is rare, for a reason.
I'll keep this brief.
BRING IN THE GAUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
If Wilson is out long term, is Hunwick not the next one in the pecking order?
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Who?
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
BRING IN THE GAUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I said.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough. I guess I just noticed a bunch more shots from the blueline and the resultant clearings than the attempts down low. Oh, and…
In the end, though, I’ll take a game like last night over most of the later games last season any day.
I agree 100%. I liked the way we played last night. Now if we could just find a way to get the puck in the back of the net…
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
David "Top 6" Jones
Not quite sure what was worse – Dave’s dainty chip in his own zone that led to Vancouver’s 2nd goal, or the fact that he had no shots on goal. The latter, I guess.
No points in 4 games, no goals in 11. Needs to pull his head firmly out of his ass.
I’m probably the biggest Jones fanboy on this site and I agree that his cold-stretch needs to end.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Needs to pull his head firmly out of his ass.
Rectal Lobotomy.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
If he did have a good centerman then I think we should trade that centerman for a player from Anaheim.
Any player, but especially for those that get their coaches fired cuz that’s what we all ultimately want, right?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
He got me fiiiiRRRRRED
I’m outta worrrrrrk
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
No statsny means no pretty va-jay-jay to distract the opposition. Clearly pussy is a good thing.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Small victories.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-11-1 (Total Record: 10-14-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Dec 7, 2011 2:47 AM MST up reply actions
Fire Sacco, Statsny’s a pussy, Corsi, this lineup that lineup, blah blah blah………
70 years ago today 2,402 people died and 1,282 people were wounded at the start of America’s official involvement in WWII. I salute every serviceman or woman who has put in their time for our country and our right to freely state our opinions here about a relatively meaningless subject. I most respectfully salute all those who have given the ultimate sacrifice for those same rights. Cheers, my hat’s off to all of you.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
by TheRed on Dec 7, 2011 1:17 AM MST reply actions 14 recs
This is clearly all Stastny’s fault…f’n Stastny
That said, it is a big kick to the optimism.
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Only saw the highlights of this one….
Lapierre should have at least gotten 2 for boarding.
I know Porter plays hard but he certainly hung his leg out there as Booth cut in, might get another game or two from Shanny.
Unlucky bounce for Varly on that Sedin wrap around in the first.
The third period goals it looked like there were quite a few pylons littering the ice, and Varly’s confidence seemed to evaporate as he would go down early and leave the top shelf open.
The Canucks are now 11-0-2 … Ouch, not fun to watch, and our next game we play Calgary… Again, as we are 0-3 against them this season… Meanwhile the Wild ride their 3rd string goalie in a relief effort to a win in the Shark Tank…ahhh that hurts.
I won’t harp on Sacco until we are done in Alberta, hopefully he has Figured out a way to those pesky Flames.
Wilson gets boarded and leaves the game injured- no call.
Landeskog gets boarded later on- 2 minutes.
I ain’t talking about the outcome of the game, I’m talking about utterly lousy officiating. With all the talk by the NHL of protecting the players these are egregious errors on the part of the officials.
Thought the Avs played well early on, hitting, puck possession, all those things. But they failed to learn a key lesson from the Boston Bruins- physically intimidate the twins and you can beat the nuck.
Varly!
This is the Avs way it seems. In the games where they hit claw and scrape they win…the games where they try to play that quick game, and a less “punishing” style…well they seem to turn out like this
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
But we did play a punishing game last night! We had 40 hits and 3 fights. How much more punishing can we play?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
Hits are so subjective…and the fights were when the game was already out of hand
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Yes, hits are subjective, but when the differential is 40-18, it’s pretty clear we played the more physical game. Stat keepers aren’t THAT subjective.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
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Time to focus on the Flames
If we can come out of this little road swing with 4 points, I’ll be a happy little Avs fan.
No soup for you!
The Flames always scare me. If Vancouver has the Avs number, the Flames have that same number.
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
I’m still stunned that it’s been almost an entire hockey season without back to back regulation wins (80ish). It’s a God Damn nightmare is what it is.
I'll keep this brief.
They’re better than their record??
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Don’t worry we’ll regress soon.
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by MalachiConstant on Dec 7, 2011 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
After a 20 game stretch in which they have clearly underacheived (points wise) they are exactly 3 points out of a playoff spot.
Still not worried, even a little bit*, about this team going forward
unless a top 5* forward gets injured, then the Avs are royally screwed.
**David Jones is not a top-6 orward. I know I keep waffling on this, and he’s still in the Avs top-6, but his possession numbers are crap, despite spending significant time with Stastny
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
But Jones started off the season so promisingly. He was on fire, then did something wrong, then went on a tour of the lower lines and now what?
Is he playing hurt, or what?
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
If The Teej keeps doing what he’s been doing, and when Stats comes back, all of a sudden David Jones is a 4th-line forward who occasionally plays on the power play.
Sacco was giving him the Ken Hitchcock treatment (what???) by putting him on the PK for a bit last night. Seems it was as effective with Jones as it has been with Stewie.
Jones was more noticeably brutal last night than he has been during his stretch of nothingness. I wonder what the hell has happened with him?
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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
I’m not sure Teej is a top 6 either. Comes back to the same thing: Avs don’t have enough talent in the top 6. They need at least 1, maybe 2 more forwards, preferably wingers.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Teej is good depth in the event of injury for top 2, I think. His game is suited well to playoff hockey, so he’s not bad as a rotating guy then either. But I definitely agree the Avs need to add a legit scoring wing for the top 6. Two could not hurt.
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by MalachiConstant on Dec 7, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
This.
TJ is an incredible 3rd/4th liner who hits well and can certainly score. But I don’t think that he should be a permanent Top 6er on a playoff team. We need to get another top 6 winger.
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A trade in-season would of course be the most immediate change, but I think it’s going to be an offseason trade/FA signing or two. We’ll see though. If it is a trade, I think it’s going to involve some of our defensemen.
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I think that if they were going to make a trade in-season they would have done it by now. It’s not like this is a new need. Either no one they want is available at the right price (and with a contract ending before the CBA) or they are content to see what happens and wait until summer.
I think most teams are running with the guys they have until the trade deadline. By then, we should know the buyers and sellers and who each is willing to part with. I’m guessing, with a few exceptions, that rosters will pretty stable until February.
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Elliott Friedman just said trading before new years is difficult because Teams have yearly fiscal budjets they stick too. No one makesbig trades before New years (at least, not often)
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
But remember that’s ALL on the players. Either theyre talent deficient or just can’t execute—take your pick. But it’s all on the guys on the ice. Could never be from behind the bench or even in the management office. Or that spacious apartment in Pepsi Center. No, it all rests on those players.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 7, 2011 8:42 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Look, I’m full in on the change in coaching bandwagon.
It’s not because I don’t think Sacco is a good coach. It’s not because I don’t think the Avalanche can rebound and make the playoffs. It’s not because I don’t think Sacco knows the game because being a former player, clearly he does.
I just don’t believe in my heart of hearts that Sacco is a great coach. I don’t believe he can implement systems that can bring a consistancy to a team’s result even if the players themselves are inherintly inconsistent. He’s not a Tippet or Babcock. That is not an indictment of Sacco because great coaches are exceptionally hard to find.
But, what has me convinced that Sacco isn’t the guy is that this group of young players have gone through some horrific stretches of hockey with Sacco at the helm. It’s a culture problem in the end. It’s not OK to go through these epic slumps. It’s not OK for a young team to grow up in a culture of losing is an appropriate way of developing a young team. It’s not fair, but it’s pro sports. Chicago took a developing bad, young team and sacrificed poor Savard in a volcano so Quenneville could come in and change the culture and reap the rewards. Pittsburgh took a perpectually underperforming supersquad of high draft picks and got to the cup finals with a coach by the name of Therrien. Therrien took over for Olczyk during Crosby’s rookie season and oversaw a couple of other high draft pick development with Malkin and Staal. Anyway, Therrien was fired less than a year after making the Stanley cup finals because the team was fading. They inserted a minor league coach by the name of Bylsma. The rest is history.
It’s an unfortunate fact in pro sports that coaches that develop high round draft picks, never reap the rewards of that development. It’s not fair but that’s just how pro sports work. I like Sacco to a certain extent and I don’t think he’s doing anything specifically aggregious with his coaching. But, I think it’s time to stir up the culture in that lockeroom. As Jibbs once said, the Varlamov trade signaled a significant change in direction for the Avalanche. Firing Sacco is the next progression for the Avalanche to be the team we know they can be.
I'll keep this brief.
by Dario on Dec 7, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Replacing him from within, however, would be a terrible step backwards…
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
I’m afraid I’m getting there too. I like Sacco. But you make good points, Kobario.
Still, I’d also like to see more of a committment to player payroll as another sign that our huge management group, and stingy owner, still do care about winning. I also feel like Sacco has been asked to compete with a less than competitive lineup. Currently at forward.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
I hear you. It’s not fair to Sacco but even if the Avs up their payroll (and they will if they don’t want to ice 3 skaters next year) this coach has already set a precident of sorts with his team. I think he could get this thing rolling in the right direction and then get slew foot like Savard. Not that any Chicago fans are upset at all.
I'll keep this brief.
Firing Sacco would be a waste of a firing at this point. The guy has been saddled with the best team the cap floor can buy. He’s got a couple of holdovers from prior administrations and a mob of talented but very green kids. The the rest of the team are low-budget reclamation projects of the bottom of the free agency heap.
How in the world can you fault Sacco in this? He’s not been perfect by any means, and he hasn’t found a way to pull a “Rudy” and somehow “Win one for the Yipper”, but neither has he completely destroyed the psyche of any of these kids, and a few are turning into unexpected surprises.
The Avs are 3-1-0 in their last 4 games, and got blown out by a far more talented team when their early hustle didn’t produce a goal, and then they burned out. Good try. Better luck next time.
Don’t fire the coach because of this game.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t believe you read everything I wrote with all due respect. I do not believe I implied nor stated specifically that the Avalanche should fire Sacco because of this game. The Avs haven’t won back to back regulation wins in literally a year of playing hockey. Good, bad or indifferent it’s a shake-up that will eventually happen. It does not matter if it’s Sacco’s fault in the end. It’s a message that will be sent to the entire organization that this kind of performance is simply not going to be acceptable. It was good enough for Hartley, Therrien and Savard. It’s going to be the ultimate fate of coach Sacco.
I'll keep this brief.
True. Very few coaches leave on their own schedule, and since Sacco is no coaching genius, it will be his fate eventually.
The only thing you shake up in an organization by firing a coach is the players. Everyone above the coach knows about the plan and is probably in on the decision. The Avs players are not, on the whole, failing to work hard. They just don’t have the talent and experience to be successful. Firing a coach will not change that fundamental dynamic. The Avs were in that game last night for 30 minutes because Sacco had them working incredibly hard. His game plan was the only one which had any chance of success. It’s the same plan that beat Detroit 2 nights ago, but against a lesser team than the Canucks.
My opinion (and it stinks just like every other) is that you don’t fire a coach until he fails to get the most out of the talent he has to work with. Sacco doesn’t have the players to be successful to the level that the fans demand. I cannot believe for a minute that Sherman made the budget decision unilaterally, so the blame falls on KSE.
From a corporate standpoint, the Avs are a moderate success. They made money last year where many teams didn’t, and TicketHorse and Altitude probably pulled in a tidy wad each on Avalanche-related activities.
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by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt that Altitude and Tickethorse pulled a major wad. I hear they have a pretty good lease rate from the owner of the building too.
I'll keep this brief.
I was thinking more about this the other day while looking at the realignment map. Doesn’t Altitude broadcast to several states in the region of professional sports nothingness surrounding Colorado? I bet Eno$ makes a killing on cable and satellite deals. The cheap fucking bastard.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
Well, NBC/Versus just agreed to pay the NHL 200 million per year for the next 10 years. To broadcast 100 games for obviously a much larger market. They can do that because NBC/Versus thinks they will make twice in ad revenue. So, yeah even the local broadcast of the Avs is bringing in significant advertisement dollars. I haven’t seen a Shake Weight or equally desperate commercial on during an Avs broadcast this year. In fact, they’ve been rolling with the big boys of late and even toss out a beer commercial here and there. That’s no small potatoes. Then those local NHL broadcasts also get a piece of the Center Ice and Gamecast money as well.
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He’s a smart businessman. You can keep grumbling about it, or you can vote with your wallet. He’s smart enough to keep you hanging on to your season ticket for all these years.
You disappoint me lately. No “Mr. Kroenke?” I know he’s a smart business man. And I know I’m one of the die hards who keeps holding on and spending my hard earned (as I type here on an Av blog at work) money on this team. But you know what? I’m spending less per game than ever, and sitting in the lower bowl sometimes to boot. As are plenty of other folks. The per game revenue in attendance has to have taken a huge nose dive over the past few years. If “Mr. Kroenke” ever decides that he wants to support a winner again, that will improve. Not to mention the gravy he would make in home playoff games.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
I’m sure those hockey broadcast rights to Wyoming, Western Nebraska, New Mexico, Western Kansas and Utah are worth a ton.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
This did get me to thinking
Has anyone ever heard of a hockey fan, or met one, living in New Mexico?
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
there’s an occasional MHHer in NM don’t remember who
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
I thought that was Paul while he was traveling.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
My son played a few teams out of Albuquerque in Bantam and Midget tournaments.
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by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
That would be me I also drove up for opening night. I been kinda lurking as of late. Work blocked sbnation but not MHH so I can read at work but not post unless I get on my phone and GDT’s aren’t the same without randy’s random off topic convo’s.
by Freakoffaleash on Dec 7, 2011 1:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Dan and I played hockey with a guy from there, who I think went back, who was a pretty big fan. And don’t they have at least one minor league team that does pretty well?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
They were going to get a team from Springfield, but that fell through.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Are the Scorpions dead?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
No, but the Final Countdown has begun.
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
Disapointed no one got the Simpsons reference here.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 8, 2011 7:17 AM MST up reply actions
Outside of albuquerque who has the scorpions and actual rinks and beer leagues we are rare. I actually ran into a guy wearing a duke jersey at grocery store the other day. I think most of them in my town are air force imports at the base. I have couple friends that come watch hockey with me but none are avs fans
by Freakoffaleash on Dec 7, 2011 2:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t care one way or another if Sacco gets fired. But for a couple of frontrunners to come in here after last night’s game, in which the offense didn’t score and Varlamov wasn’t perfect, and point to Sacco as the problem, that’s what I objected to.
About your points, Dario, that’s all well and good, but those other teams were primed pretty well to compete when the coaching changes were made. The Penguins were loaded, and so were the Blackhawks. The Red Wings were loaded, too, when Babcock took over. This team isn’t loaded, it’s not even close.
The one coach who always does more with less is Tippet.
This team isn’t ready to make any kind of huge step forward just on the basis of a coaching change. The talent’s just not there.
Well, that’s a huge problem then. Because if Duchene, Landeskog, O’Reilly, Elliott, Johnson and Varlamov aren’t enough young talent to develop then there’s not much more coming besides a long shot with Hishon. There’s no hope on the horizon of next year’s draft to get a trifecta like Pitt and Chicago hit their home runs with two picks.
I think the time is now and right or wrong the Avs management basically said the time is now when they traded for Varlamov in the manner they did.
Chicago did things like trading Rutuu for Ladd and letting Havlat go and getting Hossa in free agency. So I do agree that the Avs need to play their hand some more and get some talent in here. But they shouldn’t be that far away. Make your moves for some scoring talent and change the culture with Sacco. I don’t know if the Sacco things happens tomorrow or even after next year but I think it’s inevitable that it’s got to happen.
I'll keep this brief.
Come on, man, you’re a smart guy. Your basic argument is that Savard got axed for Q and Therrien got axed for Bylsma. Do you think that our talent right now even remotely compares to what the Hawks and the Pens had when those moves were made? It’s not even close.
Here’s Chicago when Q took over:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000352009.html
Here’s Pittsburgh when Bylsma took over:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000502009.html
And here is Chicago’s roster in the ’06-07 season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_Chicago_Blackhawks_season
Toewes and Kane started their rookie campaigns the very next year. That’s not a five year development cycle.
I'll keep this brief.
Missed the playoffs 9 out of 10 years, knocked out in the 1st round the year they made it. Went through 8 coaches in 10 years before they settled on Quenneville. Also, Kane and Toews are both better than anyone the Avs have, and that year you pointed to they already had Keith and Seabrook, who are also better than anyone the Avs have.
So we need to go through a stretch of 1 playoff appearance in 10 years in order for this thing to work?
Or I guess we could go the Penguins route with 69, 65, 58, and 58 points for four consecutive seasons.
And of course sucking this year ain’t going to help. Holy overpayment batman!
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Nope, just a coaching change and spending some money :) I’m not sure what your point is to be honest, except that Toews and Kane are better than anyone on the Avs. Also, at that point and time Keith and Seabrook weren’t yet they players they are today. They were still working on Cam Barker, Aucoin and the Wizinator.
I’m not going to argue post by post. I think you understand my position and I understand yours.
I'll keep this brief.
You forgot to add: “I’m done with you.”
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
drops mic.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
My point is I think it’s completely disingenuous of you to compare Colorado’s situation to Pittsburgh and Chicago. They suffered much longer than we have and had more base talent than we have right now. And they both had a deeply ingrained culture of losing, especially Chicago, yet still managed to overcome it.
All coaches get fired or move on, it’ll happen to Sacco, too, so I guess we’ll see what happens.
I’m not being disingenuous. That would imply that i’m trolling and do not believe what I’m writing or that I’m intentionally missrepresenting facts to prove a point without acknowledging an opposing point of view. You in turn are suggesting it takes 10 years of suckatude to develop a team. In Chicago’s case it was simply 10 years of unbelievably crappy drafting. They finally hit it right with Toews and Kane in back to back drafts and they were off and running with some big free agent deals.
I said I was going to stop posting but I thought the disinginous dig was…. disingenuous.
Chicago’s first round picks since 2000 sucked a multitude of ass until that blind squirrel found a nut with Seabrook at 14. Then they tossed in a big back of suck in picks until 2006 when they got a shot at Toews, then of course Kane the year after. At that time their team wasn’t set up very well. They made a solid trade with Rutuu for Ladd, then hit up the free agent market while Toews and Kane finished the product. I don’t think that team was set up well prior to the Toews draft and no, i’m not being disingenuous about my opinion. It might be wrong, but i’m genuine. I guaranfuckingtee that much.
I'll keep this brief.
Know what else CHI & PIT had prior to taking off?
Major organizational change / increase in certainty. CHI never gets out of the funk without Dollar Bill out of the picture. A new arena deal and not constantly looking over their shoulder for PIT was huge too.
To beat my favorite dead horse of late, if this organization doesn’t see major housecleaning, it’s all deck chairs on the Titanic.
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
It wasn’t meant as a dig. I think only citing Chicago and Pittsburgh addressed the best-case scenario, and I’m sure you knew that. It represented what happens only a few times out of a hundred.
For every Chicago/Pittsburgh that works, there are plenty of Minnesota and Columbus and Atlanta and New Jersey and Phoenix and LA’s that don’t work. Every team thinks they’ve got a few cornerstone players to build on, and every team thinks they’re going to do well by trading or signing free agents, every team thinks they’re going to score in the draft, and every team thinks the new coach is going to be the guy to turn it around. It doesn’t succeed that often, though. It fails a lot more than it succeeds.
The firing Sacco part is the thing every team does, that’s the easy part. It’s the rest that’s the hard part.
Imho, Duchene is better than Kane all-around, but Chicago’s system/roster utilizes Kane a hell of a lot better.
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by MalachiConstant on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
I think he may be someday. But he isn’t yet.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
Well, we do have that 1 playoff appearance locked in already…just 8 more years of crappy hockey left to go. According to the Blackhawk approach, of course.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 AM MST up reply actions
Part of this just seems like the culture though. Would Pit have won the cup without Therrien (probably not honestly). But Claude Julien was nearly fired too. He was on the hot seat and most observers felt he needed a coaching change for the exact reasons you mentioned, then he went and won a cup.
And Todd McLellan was brought in for those exact same reasons you mentioned, and he has been roughly equally successful with the Sharks as Ron Wilson.
so If avs management feels there’s a better coach out there, so be it. But to fire a coach because that’s what you’re supposed to do… I’m not sure that’s such a great reason.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
Well of course it’s more than a just what you’re supposed to do thing. It’s also a performance based decision. Hell, Babcock wasn’t a bad coach for Anaheim but at 76 points in his final season he got the boot and Carlyle came in and won after. At this point I don’t know if many would argue that Carlyle is a better coach than Babcock.
Obviously I could be wrong. But it sure seems like a lot of cup winning teams did need to make a change after a development period. Julien is a certainly an exception and I’m not always right of course. Though Lindstrom is going to be awesome.
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Babcock is a great coach. But I wonder how he would do with our lineup? As good as I think that Dutchy can still be, and I have high hopes for Landy, and I still think Stats is a pretty solid number 2 center, we don’t have a single Zetterberg, Datsuyk, or Lidstrom on our roster right now. We had a Lindstrom, but that didn’t seem to help.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
I am Bob in Babcock.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 1:00 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
This. The more and more I see Duchene and nights like that… I fear that he’ll never be that Franchise center that people billed him as… he doesn’t seem like someone who can make his line better, instead he plays off wingers.
If that makes any sense…
Like he tries to do too much by himself… at least Stastny sets up other players well (though he doesn’t score). He’s not a player that’s going to carry the team is what I fear.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
So here’s a completely unrelated story from the book I always recommend any chance I get: The Drunkards walk; how randomness effects our lives
they studied Israeli Jet Pilots, and when a pilot had a sub par session or flight, the instructor would berate the living daylights out of them. The next session, they improved. And when a pilot had an outstanding session, they praised them and the next flight wouldn’t be so good. Therefore many people swore that berating them was a good motivator, and praising “swelled their egos” so to speak.
But… a pilot performing sub-par is likely to fly better no matter what the instructor said. Because he was performing below par, which, by definition, means he’s likely to be better anyways. Same thing with praise, he’s performing above par… so he’s likely to get worse.
Well, that’s the thing, coaches are fired when the team is underperforming (wait, I said no relation… oh I’m a trixie Jibbles)… they are likely going to get better no matter what happens. The Blues were playing well and not getting the bounces before Hitchock arrived. Columbus was playing better than their results, didn’t fire the coach and are now winning more.
The Avs results are lower than their play right now. Sacco’s contract’s up at the end of the year, and they aren’t winning the cup this season, probably. I’m not sure why management wouldn’t want to evaluate the whole season. The Avs are likely to start getting results no matter what happens.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
Also
You gave some great examples, but one thing we don’t know (and will never know) how many teams would have won the cup, or at least benefited greatly, had they not fired their coach? Would the sharks have finally gotten over the hump? Would the Capswin it this year with Bodreau? Maybe the Avs would have won the Cup the year they fire Hartley?
That’s the problem with your examples, is that they’re only 1/2 the equation. And the other half is comepltely unquantifiable.
(That’s not meant to belittle your point, because I think it’s a good one. Just that I think the evidence is, and always will be, incomplete)
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
Right after I get that proof that Sid’s a vampire.
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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
If you can’t disprove it, than Sid is a vampire.
But Sid’s also a Ferrari.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
So, he and 7 of his friends are spread all over a Japanese highway?
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
by Hopfenkopf on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sacco & Friends can't hack the Xs & Os
it’s as simple as that. I see lots of specific areas where we employ unsuccessful strategies. They can be easily fixed. Get people in there who are capable enough to fix these areas.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
What specific areas? What are the easy fixes?
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
so glad you asked...
PK: don’t retreat into a box in the D-zone. Everything is gravy for us until the other team sets up. Then, we are picked apart with east-west passing.
Pressure the puck and create out-numbered situations. Minn is a perfect example. They bring three men on the puck and one behind. NSH & DET are also good examples.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
You’re examples of Minny, Nash, and Detroit feature two historically underwhelming offensive teams with little-to-no playoff success and Detroit who have had Hall of Fame producing forwards and defensemen for going on 15 years. Not sure that I want option #1 or that the Avs have the pieces for option #2.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Our PK strategy is killing it these days. It’s fixed. There’s nothing wrong with the PK. The PK matched Detroit in shots during the final two periods of that win, and outscored them 1-0.
Whatever PK goals we allowed last night were after the game was out of hand and Varly had checked out.
It was inept earlier and will be again this season. I see our recent success mostly due to opposing teams’ suckage on the PP. and… We are still ranked 22 in PK. That’s not going to cut it.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
They don’t stop counting the first part of the season. Going from 29 to 22 in a small number of games suggests that they are doing pretty well now.
Yes, other teams will adjust once they get enough video to analyze, then it will be up to the Avs to respond. They’ve already done it once this year.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
I like your optimism. I hope we will continue to improve, but I just don’t believe it will happen.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 3:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It also went from like 10 to 29 over a few games too. (that’s the whole small sample sie thing cropping up)
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Booo. That was early in the season when there was a lot less data. You know going from 29 to 22 is more difficult now
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 4:49 PM MST up reply actions
Considering it jumped by 6%, that’s pretty damn good…. especially since we killed a full 5 min major against the number one PP.
It’s been damn impressive to boot recently.
If our PP was going, even slightly, we’d be 2, maybe 3 games above .500
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
No, actually, they don’t.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with MultiplePersonalityDisorderGirl (just trying it out…).
I’ve seen both passive and attacking PK’s as well as diamond vs. box setups in the same game and it seems largely the result of their PP personnel vs our PK personnel.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
MPDGirl. I like it.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Um, I honestly haven’t seen anything other than our passive box. And I’m talking 4-man formations only
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Have you watched a game recently? They are extremely aggressive. They fall back into the box at times, but come flying out of it at others. They’ve been forcing mistakes all over the ice, and had a shorty against Detroit because of a 2 man forecheck at the red line. I’ve also seen the diamond several times over the past couple of weeks.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
Then you haven’t watched very much. It’s not even a passive box, at times it’s this 1-1-2 with the forwards switching which point they take depending on the position of the puck. Sometimes the guy in the second “1” slot charges out to get the point man on the other side.
Look, McClement and Winnik are proven penalty killers. When the game still mattered, they killed the 5-minute major without really breaking a sweat. They’re both physical, they can separate a guy from the puck, and they both have very active sticks (that’s what she said!).
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, the 1-1-2 has been very effective against the point shots and disrupted a lot of PP so far.
I like the PK of late. I think it’s been better lately because Winnick and McClement are linemates in addition to the top PK team. It helps with not messing up the lines after the PK.
I'll keep this brief.
I mildly agree with your first point but will play devil’s advocate:
Attacking PK is a high risk, high reward scenario. You either have the PK talent to operate at the high baud rate required for that strategy or you don’t. I think Colorado has one PK unit capable of doing that. Not sure about the depth after that. Attacking PK’s also put a ton of pressure on your d-pair and goalie because it creates a tendency for forwards to be too high in the zone to support the backend when they don’t execute or they are out-talented by the opposing PP unit.
Your 2nd paragraph has the same flavor and same drawback, IMO. It puts a ton of pressure on your d-pair and goalie as more skilled breakout teams will generate higher % opportunities (and lots more odd-man situations) when they break the aggressive forecheck.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
PK: don’t retreat into a box in the D-zone.
The PK is fine as long as the guys keep skating and pressuring the puck. Has been for a few games now. You can always see the goals coming because the forwards go from pressuring to sinking down. That doesn’t smell like coaching, that smells like tired penalty killers.
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
O-zone entry: current strategy is to push the puck North as quick as possible. Too often we are in the zone, but with lesser numbers.
Use the Detroit system more often. Pressure the blueline, and then pass East/West/South where there is support. This will prevent us getting hemmed into corners so often.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
This is a product of our breakout, not our o-zone entry. The D don’t arrive to support the offense a lot of the time because the pass comes from well within our own zone. The strategy seems to favor speed and transition forcing more even or down-man rushes because the blueliners need to catch up. This is also a result of the transition the team has made with how the defense is built: they’re slower this year than they have been in the last 3 or 4 years when compared to the forwards. Once the forwards get the puck then have to make the most of it until the defense can get there. That’s not coaching, that’s just how the team is built, IMO.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Your opinion sucks. I mean, you’re totally right, but it sucks cuz it’s all logical and shit. How dare you, man? How dare you?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
I’m obviously a lawyer and I’m taking over the board. Haven’t you heard?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Fucking lawyers. You ruin everything.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
I agree. Sleeping with lawyers DOES tend to ruing everything.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Hey Mike,
What’s the shortcut key for the “f” symbol used in math functions? (Like f(x)=something cool)
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
nevermind...i went lazy route...
An equation my math friends are trying to find some way to incorporate into the test we’re developing right now:
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
(though i’m sure this joke has been made many a time before.)
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure how “mathy” your math friends are, but that isn’t a function as C and K tend be be defined as constants in most equations, at least in my experience.
Maybe f(u) = ck*Y^ou where Y is a variable, of course.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
to be fair, i only heard them talking about it…so not being a math person, i’m sure i’m the one that fucked that up.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
YEah, how can you have a function of u and u isn’t in it. Unless “k” is also a function of u, maybe it’s a Fourier transform?
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Shooting high from bad angles: why do we do this? The goal-scoring percentage is bad and goalies do not give up rebounds with their chests frequently.
Shoot low, to give a chance for tips or rebounds off pads.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
I don’t think this area is coached, but it is a bad habit we have and can be corrected with… coaching
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
You’re replying to yourself a lot. Is that a multiple personality thing or what?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Disagree. The modern BF goaltender takes away the vast majority of the bottom of the net. Shooters at this level are always looking at least 18" above the ice because the percentages are better.
Also, FO’s are a part of a team’s strategy. Sometimes the best play is to put the puck on the net and take a FO to generate a scoring opportunity.
Shooting for a rebound is a very valid criticism, but I don’t think it would represent a sea change in Colorado’s biscuit-in-basket numbers because the size up front isn’t dominant to the degree necessary to make this a good, go-to strategy.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I can see where the FO thing might come into play every once in a while, but not that often IMO.
My complaint comes mainly from where we are 1v1 with the goalie from a bad angle, far away, or on the rush and facing him straight up. Most times NHL caliber goaltending will Nom those shots. It happens to us far, far too often and kills our momentum. If the BF goalie makes a pad stop, he can sometimes control the rebound, but there’s still a rebound.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Shooting high from bad angles: why do we do this?
Still not done with my data analysis, but early results point to: We don’t Fans just perceive we do with hindsight bias.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
I could seriously go on all day
if I had all day.
Watching these things play out is sometimes is almost as bad as hitting my face with a hammer repeatedly
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
Skating through loose pucks: another head-to-hammer situation. We must be one of the worst puck-battling teams in the NHL and I believe it is coached that way. Sacco likes speed, and I think that’s why we get these types of situations so often.
Slow down a bit. We can’t control the play if we don’t have the puck. We can’t skate around everybody (some teams we can, but not everyone). We need to do a better job of winning puck battles with body position, not stick work.
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
Not sure this is Sacco as chiavs has pointed out. I notice the body work of some of our forwards (the ones who are gifted at it) all the time. The defense also plays lots of poke and hope in order to generate quick transition opportunities for the O. That’s on the defensive coaches, IMO and is likely a result of personnel more than desire.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I’m not sure this is the case either. I mean an average team will win 1/2 the batlles along the boards. But even then, that’s a whole lot of losing, and, for a team that’s struggling, it’d be easy to forget the battles that are won, and remember the lost ones.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but stuff like this and “low percentage shots” etc are so subjective to hindsight bias that it’s unreal. I just find it a much more likely scenario that the Avs are doing a lot better, but you are only noticing when they don’t. (I am just as guilty of this as anyone, it’s human nature).
For example I have it in my head that Duchene is terrible along the boards, and I really think he is. But I can’t think of one time that Duchene has won a board battle, and he’s bad but he’s not that bad. That’s my bias kicking in. I only notice what goes along with my preconceived opinion. It’s the same way as you never notice how many Silver Toyota Rav4s there are on the road until you go buy one. Then they are fucking everywhere
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
God damn it. You and your friends need to take your logic and reason and get the fuck out. WE’RE PANICKING HERE!!! Or didn’t you notice?
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
So are silver Honda CRV’s. It’s a goddamn epidemic.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I know right. Had I known I bought such a popular car, I would have bought somethign else. I’m sure there’s a lot less Blue Nissan Muranos on the road.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
That’s because it’s a nissan, and it’s probably broken. Therefore, not on the road.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I totally should have gone with the sage green or that burnt orange shit. At least I’d be unique.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
or you could buy a vehicle with a wide variety of aftermarket mods available. Then you could build it to your own taste. No burnt orange though. That shit is hideous.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I never noticed how many Subaru Imprezas are in Denver til I got one. This is so true
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Last year I thought our D didn’t shoot enough on the PP. This year that was a major focus and now our PP is good.
Even if I’m wrong in the above, the fact remains our team is sucky and I stubbornly refuse to believe the players we have are that terrible
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
48.3
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Last year I thought our D didn’t shoot enough on the PP. This year that was a major focus and now our PP is good.
Even if I’m wrong in the above, the fact remains our team is sucky and I stubbornly refuse to believe the players we have are that terrible
"Put stick on ice, put puck in net"
by HeyPeterman on Dec 7, 2011 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
That is what I wish I could have said. That’s all I’ve been trying to get at. Unfortunately, my approach of doing so wasn’t nearly as eloquent or effective. The culture of losing is easy to adopt and extremely difficult to break free of. Last season did it in for me—I’m still pissed at all that money thrown away.
by quietstorm560 on Dec 8, 2011 2:58 AM MST up reply actions
Perhaps you shouldn’t be a fan anymore then.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 8, 2011 3:53 AM MST up reply actions
Oh good Lord!
I’m still pissed at all that money thrown away.
How is a reasonable response
?
Perhaps you shouldn’t be a fan anymore then.
Drink your koolaid or get out? Bullshit.
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
"We play them six times," Quincey said in the locker room. "Lapierre runs Wilson and knocks him out. Something has to happen. You can’t just let him to that, that’s why I (tried to fight him). I don’t think there was any love loss going into this game, but I wouldn’t look too far into it in the future. But getting embarrassed like that is not going to sit well for us. We’re going to come back and hopefully have a great game against them next time."
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I smell an increased rivalry coming on. I hope Wilson’s not seriously injured, but he may have been Draper’d last night. With the Red Wings basically exiting stage right next year, we need a new top rival. I thought it may be Edmonton. I’m starting to think that it could be the Nucks.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who ♥s the Avs.
Varly: you're awesome. We love you. Please don't break.
That’s not fair…everyone hates the Nucks
Aebischer. Nope. Salo? Ha! Sauve? Nah. Theodore. Meh. Kolesnik? Hey bud, nice shootout against the Devils, but no. Budaj? You kidding? Anderson, close, but no cigar. Elliott? GET THE TANK!!! Varlamov and Giguere? To the playoffs...AND BEYOND!!
Fuck a Nuck. But it won’t be a true rivalry until the Avs are better and can actually beat them more than once out of 10 games. If we make the playoffs over the next couple seasons, it will be b/c we beat out Edmonton, Calgary and Phoenix for a spot.
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 7, 2011 8:10 AM MST up reply actions
The only problem with that theory is that Edmonton will be great, Calgary are unbeatable and Phoenix will probably be in Quebec….
I’m laughing on the inside. Don’t mean nothing, not a thang.
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Secretly, I’m not overly optimistic of our playoff chances for the next 2 years or so. At least not without some significant additions from FA or trades. But hey, blind optimism is more fun, right?
Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward. - Kv
by MalachiConstant on Dec 7, 2011 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with your sentiment entirely. This team is unglued and short of getting in a new coach (which needs to be a new coach, not a recycled Av) I have no idea what they can do to fix it.
Even then, a new coach is no guarantee of success (sup Boudreau?)
The team’s problems are legion and run all the way up to Kroenke. Those won’t be fixed, like, ever.
Where’s burgundy rainbow when you need him/her?
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Was there fatigue playing a part?
The team was already down one forward (cos of 7 d-men) and with the loss of Wilson, surely it must have taken its toll?
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
For what it’s worth, I thought the Avs played pretty well in the first half of the game. There was a spell where they really hemmed the nucks in their own zone. Then the nucks scored and ummm…..
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
Last time an Av went knee-to-knee with a Canuck it didn’t end too well. just saying.
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
Actually, Jibs
Mike’s post gave me an idea. You are our resident statto, do you happen to know the Avs record with and without Stastny in the lineup?
"Wisdom requires a flexible mind" - Dan Carlin
0-1 this season
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s why Jib makes the big bucks.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what this game proved to me? Paul Stastny in not an integral part of this team.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on Dec 7, 2011 8:43 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Do you want to head down that path? They were flying for the first half of the game, it might have been their best offensive performance in a long time. Legit scoring chances, odd man rushes.
Now, I don’t think they’re better without Stastny, but they sure weren’t crippled on offense without him last night.
I honestly think losing Wilson was huge. But then I’m a Wilson fan-girl.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Wilson has been our best overall defenseman this season so far. Imo. So does that make me a Wilson fan-boy?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
No. The “I Heart Wilson” thong you bought at the last game does, though.
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
NTTAWWT
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 7, 2011 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
This is the difference between work ethic and talent.
Talent can save you when your work ethic isn’t there…
Work ethic is all fine and dandy, but as low as we are in the standings, we can’t afford to lose games where we outwork a team for 2 periods like that. Last night showed we need people who finish…there were a ton of rebounds out there, and I don’t know if it was because of a lack of size or willingness to drive to the net, we seemingly can never get to those rebounds.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
attainable rebounds for this team is an illusion.
by Mapletreemarty on Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
Look at his contract, I’m sure he doesn’t care (it’s his specialty)
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 8, 2011 9:03 AM MST up reply actions
Oh yeah, the cherry on top of the f’n sundae that was last night…
My ex who cheated on me and havn’t seen or heard from in months texts me “Avalanche sucks”
Fantastic day last night…
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
Your X is a C^&%. Why do you care? Let it role of your back like a pimp.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
OMG!
Speaking of Arby’s, there’s an Arby’s across the street from my hotel that has Arby’s written in Arabic in the hat logo. I keep forgetting to take a picture for Mike!
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
In your shoes, it might make me glad that she’s gone. Who needs that kind of crap?
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Are you kidding? You men always flock to the crazies and the bitches.
Duchene may be the face of this franchise, but O’Reilly is the heart. - Guitarpick8120
by Cheryl Bradley on Dec 7, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Whereas you women only flock to the nice guys.
by DiD on Dec 7, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
Douchebags and bitches both radiate confidence. It’s like the moth to the flame.
OK Shermie, time to be the shepherd
by Busted Twigg on Dec 7, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s true, sadly… I read some of the drivel that was trending on twitter a few days ago and it rung home…
Most girls say they want a “good guy”, but when they meet him, they keep him in the friend zone, chase after jerks & end up heartbroken.
Paul Stastny did, what Paul Stastny does. Score big goals.
by amit916 on Dec 7, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
And in our defense it is hard to tell that some women are bat shit crazy in the beginning that stuff takes a little bit figure out.
Crazies and bitches are better in bed. Discuss.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I’d like to throw out there that the quiet, bookish girl in the corner can also be a devil between the sheets.
You have pictures of your children being devils between the sheets? Wow.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Not a good idea. There’s a lot of stuff in my house that will get pegged on me because I look like a perv.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
There’s a lot of stuff in my house that will get pegged on me because I look like a perv.
uhhhh, not even gonna go there.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I was referring to “pegged”. I have a very juvenile sense of humor, in case you hadn’t noticed yet.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
I think it’s anecdotal
Maybe
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 7, 2011 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Either way it’s subjective, not the objective evidence I’d be looking for. Plus, having children requires no special talent in bed, so is therefore bad evidence anyways.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Yeah, but do you REALLY want him comparing you to his past partners?
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
You mean the virgin loon, the card-carrying manic depressive, and the now bats for the other team past partners?
Mrs. wins that race by at least seven lengths…
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
At least you know the right answers. Must be how you stay married.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
It’s turning one back that takes talent.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
confirmation bias.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
True story. 2 sisters, one the quiet bookish one, the other the freaky psycho tattooed bitchy one. Both crazy devils in bed, but the freaky crazy one is better.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
That’s cuz closet nymphos are hard to spot. Crazies and bitches are just better at advertising.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Not that I’m all pimp daddy or anything, but in my experience the advertising is just way more subtle, not worse. Once you know what to look for, that nympho isn’t all that much in the closet.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
nope, it’s more of a know it when I see it thing.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
If you can define and publish this, you will be richer than Eno$!
2011-2012 Lokomotiv Yaroslavl: Vyechnaya Pamyat!
2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: Chances are rapidly diminishing that this will not suck.
Like obscenity!
At exactly what point do you start to realize that life without knowledge is death in disguise?
Average team + below average coaching staff + questionable front office + cheap/disinterested ownership = high expectaitions?
My math is not good but do I have this right????
Depends. Is beating Vancouver and Calgary just once per calendar year a high expectation?
4th biggest pessimist of MHH.
"There's always next season." -- Jimmy Howard on not winning the Calder Trophy.
Unfortunately the record says yes. Expect less get more?
by spokane-avs-fan on Dec 7, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a Hawks fan, ie a Canooks hater living in BC
Wife huge Avs fan so there we were watching the Avs dominate for 2 periods and watching Canook fans as usual making asses of themselves re PP and Cheering Luongo leaving the ice(while shutting out the better team).
The Avs got screwed on the Wilson hit and outhit the nux all game. Just ran into 2 good goalies and had a shit one themselves. heads up and keep working hard.
Remeber yoyu already cost this team one Stanley Cup run (thanks SM)
by Canuckslicknutsak on Dec 7, 2011 3:06 PM MST reply actions
He made 2 great saves off deflections
seems to wander a bit but then again so does Thomas
by Canuckslicknutsak on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM MST reply actions
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