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The price the Avs have paid for injuries

CHICAGO IL - DECEMBER 15: Paul Stastny takes his turn being helped off of the ice with what is most likely due to an intestinal concussion which will sideline him for the rest of the season.

As injuries pile up on teams across the league, folks start talking about man-games lost. They start comparing how many one team has lost versus another; they argue about which team had the most valuable players out of the line up. In the end, this is all supposed to tell us which team suffered the most because of injuries. Obviously, the Avalanche are up there. They certainly don't top the list of number of games lost; that honor belongs to the Islanders. And they haven't lost the most valuable players; hello, Pittsburgh. But what the Avs have lost is something that goes beyond numbers and perceived skill level. It's the collective blow that's created the biggest impact.

This year, like many years, the Avalanche succumbed to the injury bug in a big way. You can talk all you want about how good teams fight through that and win anyway. However, when you look at exactly what went on in Colorado, you can see how the mid-season slide isn't all that surprising.

Looking at the losses line by line and against the record, the picture of the Avalanche landscape becomes a bit clearer. Lines were determined by the amount of time played at that position, both this season and last.

Star-divide

Jones (4)

Galiardi (19)

Stastny (1)

Stewart (21)

Yip (2)

Mueller (56)

Fleischmann (10)

Forsberg

Duchene

Hejduk (7)

Porter

O’Reilly (7)

Winnik (1)

McLeod (11)

Dupuis

Koci (16)

Total Man-Games Lost Forwards: 155

 

Liles

O'Byrne


Shattenkirk

Quincey (32)

Wilson (5)

Foote (15)

Holos (1)

Cumiskey (36)

Hunwick

Total Man-Games Lost Defensemen: 89

 

Anderson (15)

Budaj

Total Man-Games Lost Goalies: 15

 

In that list, the only player you can really say wasn't missed was Koci and mostly because he doesn't play that much anyway. Regardless of how he was playing before the concussion, Cumiskey was a strategic part of the plan for the defense. When he got injured, that plan had to be rethought. During the short time he was back, it seemed pretty evident that the head injury had reduced his ability to play effectively. Apart from Holos, every other player who has missed time from the game is an integral part of who the Avalanche are. It's no wonder the team lost its identity.

There's been a lot of talk about how poor the defense has played; it can't be denied that Sherman needs to do something to improve that group. Still, the number of games lost to injury is significant. And although the majority of those games were the result of two players' problems, all of the players involved in games lost were important. For all the complaining that was done about Quincey, his presence is sorely missed. The slide started shortly after he went out with the shoulder injury, and it was at that time that the GF/GA ratio began to slip towards the negative.

The most daunting - and telling - numbers relate to the forwards. The top two lines of this struggling team have suffered a total of 120 games to this point. This number will continue to grow as Mueller, Fleischman, and, now, Galiardi are expected to be out for the remainder of the season. A minimum of 78 more games will be lost.

When you look at the intense blow our top lines have taken, it's unsurprising the offensive output of the team is waning. Although it could be argued that Mueller was not a part of the early success as he has been out since the pre-season, the mental aspect of losing top player after top player is bound to wear on the young team, making confidence and chemistry falter.

Here's the breakdown of the man-games lost by month, along with the team's record during that time and the players who were out:

Month

Man-games Lost

Players Out

Record

Oct

33

Koci (11), Foote (5), Anderson (3)

Jones (1), Yip (2), Mueller (7)

6-4-1

Nov

70

Koci (5), Quincey (5), Wilson (5)

Foote (7), Cumiskey (13), Anderson (9)

Jones (2), Galiardi (10), Stewart (1), Mueller (13)

7-5-1

Dec

72

Hejduk (7), Winnik (1), McLeod (5)

Quincey (9), Cumiskey (14), Anderson (1)

Galiardi (7), Stewart (14), Mueller (14)

7-4-3

Jan

53

Stastny (1), Stewart (6), Mueller (12), Fleischmann (4)

Quincey (12), McLeod (6), O’Reilly (5)

5-6-1

Feb

34

O’Reilly (2), Quincey (7), Foote (3), Holos (1)

Cumiskey (2), Anderson (2), Jones (1)

Galiardi (2), Mueller (7), Fleischmann (7)

0-7-0

 

Despite the fact the team had the best records for the months they had the most games lost, continually having to shake up the lines and personnel to accommodate those losses tears down a team's resiliency. People can tackle adversity with strength when it first hits. As it continues, the desperation mounts and that strength - both mentally and physically - weakens. It's understandable that the team's ability to compensate for the missing parts would lessen.

The Avalanche truly have been hit hard by the injuries this season. All told, the team's lost 259 man-games to this point. With the given losses of the players out for the remainder of the season, Colorado will reach a minimum total of 363 games. This number doesn't even factor in what will surely be at least a few weeks for Cumiskey's head to heal enough for him to return - if he ever does.

If the Avs are able to recover from this free-fall and actually make it into the playoffs, it will be a remarkable feat and testament to the heart of the team. If they aren't able to do it, there will be little question as to the biggest factor involved. No matter what happens, though, the young players will learn from this experience, and it will only make them better and stronger as the rebuild continues.

 

For those who are interested, here are the AHL call-ups the team has had. Only those players who actually dressed are listed, and their numbers only include nights they were on the ice. Those marked with an * stayed with the Avalanche from their first appearance to date.

Jason Bacashihua (3)
Colby Cohen (3)
John Grahame (12)
Cameron Gaunce (1)
Jonas Holos (17)
David Liffiton (4)
Greg Mauldin (29)
Mark Olver (4)
Kevin Porter*
Kevin Shattenkirk*
Ryan Stoa (6)
David van der Gulik (5)

Poll
A poll inspired by initial comments: What do you think is the biggest reason for the Avs' trend for major injury loss?
Lack of size
51 votes
Lack of conditioning
10 votes
Lack of a true enforcer (see Parker, Scott)
15 votes
A combination of all three
70 votes
Other - comment below with your illuminating ideas
7 votes
Bad Luck
70 votes

223 votes | Poll has closed

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Size

All I have to say is this boils down to the size of our team. You look at the teams with size on them and they are not experiencing as many injuries as the small AVs are. We need to get a little more beef in the lineup!! Especially on the Blue Line!!!

Let the new season begin already!!!

by BryceLeo on Feb 14, 2011 7:08 AM MST reply actions  

Yip, TJ, Jones, Stewart, Winnik, Highlander, Flash, Mueller, etc are all 6’1" or bigger and aren’t considered small (maybe their “play” is) so size up front has been “hurt” by the injuries. Defense does need some size AND skill and some of that will hopefully come from the development of Gaunce, Elliott, and Rutkowski. Obyrne, Liles, Shatty, Holos, Wilson, Quincey and Hunwick could be the NHL Ds next year which gives you possibly 3 players with “size” but an entire blueline of a questionable mix of size and/or skill.

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by zandar on Feb 14, 2011 7:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Is it all because the Avs are small? This seems to be the 3rd straight year with a crazy amount of injuries. Does it come down to conditioning? The medical staff? I just seems weird to me that for 3 straight year the Avs injuries pile up seemingly more than most

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by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it’s size, personally. And moreover, that other teams aren’t afraid to lay into them because there isn’t a Sherriff on the team.

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 14, 2011 7:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Either that’s simply not true or players see Matt Cooke as an asshole (and want to attack his team). It’s probably the latter.

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by StiflersMom on Feb 14, 2011 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

If you play with class and enforce that with legitimate enforcers, I don’t think any hockey team will have a problem with that. If you are Matt Cooke’s team mates, they probably roll their eyes at having to drop the gloves for him every night.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 7:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I used to see his pic on the NHL video game and he scared me even in that.

Why else could you miss him apart from his badassedness? Was it his sparkling repartee and home made cakes?

More likely, he would eat your last cake and smash your teeth in for looking at him funny.

Fun times :)

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Nope

He was always really nice to me. Gave me a Wink and a “How YOU doing?”. He liked the Cupcakes, I guess.

I like that he fought, and could win. That he didn’t hesitate about dropping the gloves at appropriate times. He knew when to keep them on too.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Ah well, I don’t have cupcakes like yours, Sandie!

All this talk of the Sherriff made me go and check out some of his “greatest hits” on Youtube. My word. That boy could tangle.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

He sure could. I miss that man.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

But I still will never figure out why the Avs took him 1st round. Yeah, Parker could fight, and his first couple of years he could actually “play” a little bit. But Parker as a “hockey player” never was

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by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

True but so what, we won a cup 3 years later anyway. Another highly skilled forward who would’ve left after the lockout? No thanks.

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by StiflersMom on Feb 14, 2011 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I miss the Sherriff

He was one of those rare hockey players (these days) who wanted to fight you, not because it would “fire up his team” but because you did something wrong and he hated your guts.

He had a streak of mean half a mile wide. That’s something missing with today’s enforcers. Plus, he could play a bit, too.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

The more we speak of Parker, the more I realize that the Highlander’s days may be numbered.

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by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Yep, I agree totally. Guys get worn out by injury and then playing too much in lieu of the guys that are out and getting worn out, then I think Stewie rushed back, he’s certainly not the player he was before he was hurt and now he’s just taking up space on Stastny’s wing. And McLeod’s a dick (but he’s our dick) but I don’t think he’s deterred one hit all year.

Koci’s another thing, since he’s only playing 2 minutes, when he does play that means there’s more wear and tear on the other guys that have to play in the 2nd and 3rd periods when he isn’t. Either trust your ‘enforcer’ to play 6-8 minutes or don’t play him at all.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Koci wasn’t terrible when he had his ice time doubled to four minutes recently. Give him more time and teach the man how to check.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

so long as he’s not out of position, he can pick and choose when to check, with his reach if he’s in the right area he can be really effective.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

with his reach if he’s in the right area

That’s exactly what I mean. That boy has arms like a frickin crane, so why not use his long reach?

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

We’re agreeing with each other, I’m just saying that he shouldn’t worry about the big hit and just ‘Stay on Target.’ (Star Wars Quote Day on MHH).

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

i think lack of enforcer and size. I don’t think that conditioning is much of an issue- unless can you condition against concussions? Anyway, I also think that the Avs medical staff takes more precautions than other teams. Seems to me that the guys stay out longer with the same injuries than other teams.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 AM MST reply actions  

Like you say, there’s really only so much you can control for with concussions. If you’re a bigger guy you won’t get pushed around as much or as hard. That’s about it.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

If you’re taller you head isn’t at elbow height.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Unless your playing against Matt Cooke. Flying elbow attack FTL

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

is that a mortal combat move?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I am almost positive it is, but could not find it in a google .img search.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

These mooks are gettin paid 7 figures plus a year to play a violent sport. I give a rats ass if their brains are useless puddles of mush after a 15 year career. They need to start sandbaging the “baseline” tests and playing hockey.

That is all.

by Bent42 on Feb 14, 2011 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Callous much?

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 15, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, that seems ridiculous to me.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 17, 2011 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Are the Pepsi center boards harder than others? I thought I heard that before. Player’s don’t wear their helmets correctly so that has something to do with it.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

I never understood that. Why have a helmet, but not do it up properly? The slightest impact and it’s flying into Row Z, not protecting your head, like it should.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

but you look cool. I bet it’s a peer pressure sort of thing. Not that any of the guys would care, but if you think they’ll think you look like a tool you keep it loose, and I’m sure it’s uncomfortable. They should have a chin strap like a football helmet though.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you are right AUD. Like the whole visor thing when they came out. However, they look even less cool being carried out on a stretcher. That’s why I’m in favour of the league imposing minimum penalties on incorrect strap usage, so that it is taken out of the players and their peer pressure.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

This so poignantly says what I have been trying to verbalize

One other aspect of the injuries that is forgotten is the effect of players coming back from injuries.

Andy, Galiardi, Stewart come to mind. When they came back from injury they were never the same player they were before the injury. Andy wasn’t playing great ebfore , but he would have rebounded. The injury derailed his season. Galiardi never seemed liked GALIARDICUS after the injury and now might be traded. Stewart clearly is not back from the injury.

Injuries ruined the identity, but until the players recover physically and mentally, they are not really back. Until they are back, the team cannot have its identity regained.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Mr c6hor8.

Beautifully summed up my feelings exactly.

I see Datsyuk came back from injury and potted one for the GWG the other night. Unfortunately, the Avs don’t seem to do that. The players coming back from injury are shadows of their former selves and that seems to be across the board.

Andy, Galiardi, Stewart, Quincey, Wilson, O’Reilly, Yip and even McLeod have (IMHO) all suffered lengthy injuries which appear to have changed their games for the worse.

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Wilson is getting back to being a Mack truck.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 AM MST up reply actions  

And it took a year. He is becoming a worthwhile part of the team again. Andy will probably be back to his awesome form next year. Same for Galiardi and likely Stewart.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

What's the chances the Avs sign a restricted free agent?

Due to the Avs being at the salary cap floor, or close to it, what’s the chance that the Avs sign away Brent Seabrook from the Hawks, I know the Hawks are trying to resign him but I don’t think they have the cap room. He’s the big defenseman the Avs need.

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by Bababouy on Feb 14, 2011 8:35 AM MST reply actions  

They would make a play at him in Free Agency over losing 3 picks. Then again, Sherman has proven me wrong numerous times. If Sherman thought this draft class was so bad that it was worth ditching 3 picks, or if they picked up some picks at the trade deadline for players, then they might.

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by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

keep in mind, the Avs don’t have their 3rd round pick in 2011 and that pick would be required to make an offer sheet to many RFAs

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmm, they could always get one through trades, the deadline is coming up soon, that may give us an indication as to what they are planning.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

That was what I meant. They might make two trades, pick up a 2nd and a 3rd and use that.

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by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

they have to use their own pick, though. (Brian Burke had to trade to get one of his picks back before he could sign Phil Kessel, although he ended up trading for him in the end). So, Avs would need to get their pick back from the Islanders to sign a player.

I think that’s all moot though. I don’t think the Avalanche will pursue an RFA. heck, I’m not convinced they’ll start chasing UFAs again (it’s been, what, 3 years since they spent more than $2 on a UFA?)

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I know, I think that they are going to say “Shucks, if it wasn’t for all those injuries…”

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Fuck you DDC.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

He ruins all my hopes and dreams. Wherever he goes, disappointment follows.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

lol. you, uh, might want to skip the preview today. Beachie already expressed her displeasure with it

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I WOULD LIKE IT UP BEFORE ONE OCLOCK!!!

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by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m trying noon today. how do you like those apples?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Put it up now.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

we will show no whine before its time

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Every time he complains it gets pushed back by 15 minutes?

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

If that was the case, the pre-game thread would go up around an hour after the game starts.

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by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

And whose fault would that be?

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

 David Driscoll-Carignan, the most humble blogger of all time

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

No, SeeSixWhores, it’d be yours.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Dunno. Who’s more responsible? He who builds the dooms day machine or he who triggers it?

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Does this go along with the Obi-Wan Kenobi saying from the Star Wars 4? (or 1, or whatever)

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

’Who’s the more foolish: The fool or the fool who follows him?’

See watching it 200 times has finally paid off.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I do need a new sig

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you made this one up in response to a comment I made — which feeds my ego. Irony is delicious.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

No, I think this one suits you.

I, on the other hand, need a new one though.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

He is still a win. Or at the very least a Overtime Loss.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

What’s wrong with “Chronicles of Winnik?” Don’t you love him any more Sandie?

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

I do, but I’ve had this sig for quite some time.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

mine still works.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey, while you’re doing stuff DDC, how about you update the comparison panel to last year before the end of the season?

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

my spreadsheet won’t “work” until the missing st louis game is played. so after the 22nd it should be out of temporal stasis

and I’ll need to make some new graphics, I think, because the numbers now are awful.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for that DDC. I can wait, but I’m curious. As for the numbers – well, they tell the story and that’s the important thing

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

TW…oh never mind.

Because Foppa at 50% is still better than 95% of the NHL.

by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2011 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Now I have to read it… OH DDC NOooooo

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I even named the Cupcakes Love today, because Doom and Gloom doesn’t seem to work

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I like the replying to yourself meme you’ve developed.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I just hadn’t finished a thought. But I do this with some regularity.

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by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s kind of like talking to yourself…in typed form

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Me too.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

At least you all know where the reply button is

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by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Couldn’t agree more. The recent track record of this team is not exactly one that gets fans excited. Maybe five years ago but for whatever reason, the team just doesn’t spend the money that we ALL know they have. Yes, we’ve acquired some players that have really worked out (until they become injured) but gone are the days of swooping in and getting that high-priced, high-profile player. Sad really.

But something needs to happen and the Avs need to live in the now and not in the past. They can’t keep relying on unproven talent or telling themselves that they had a great first half of the season so they don’t need to address the shitty second half. But as we’ve all seen, they absolutely DO NOT seem to be learning from shitty Pepsi Center attendance or season collapses (last season excluded because we made the playoffs). Obviously, we wouldn’t be having this conversation had the injury plague not struck again but it has and always will, it seems. And the problem with that is when injuries do happen, we have no real answer to it but I guess the injury excuse is just another excuse in their arsenal.

Do we have any cap money to spend? Just checking.

by Jeru1975 on Feb 14, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Bad luck and chance

The Avs took a gamble on Mueller that he would come back from his concussion problems, and it failed.

Other than that injuries can be just plain old bad luck: Quincey’s shoulder, Fleishmann, concussions, etc. Just good ol bad luck. Granted, the Avs seem to have a lot of it recently, but I don’t think there’s a better explination out there to be honest.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

The Flash injury really is just the epitome of a “freak” injury.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Snowblower.

Winnik is a fucking Win!

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

No reason to call names, young lady!

Because Foppa at 50% is still better than 95% of the NHL.

by Hopfenkopf on Feb 14, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't know

I suspect the Caps knew something about Flash’s “condition”. I’d like to know what they knew and when…

by AceODale on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

If that is true, there are some serious legal issues. You might know a player is susceptible to injuries from past injuries, e.g. Mueller and concussions, but you cannot know of a latent injury likelihood like that and not reveal it.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah this would be Jessi Ventura-type conspiracy stuff. I doubt they knew much about it

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think a routine physical would even look for that kind of stuff.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed. You can play the biggest, meanest, most seemingly stout skaters in existence and sometimes you still end up with a Lindros. Having an overall bigger squad might skim the injuries down a bit, but not entirely (but then out the window goes the speedy, offensive game plan), refusing to sign/trade for guys with an injury history may help too, but that cuts down on your chances to improve the club by a lot.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

out the window goes the speedy, offensive game plan

I think that plan is now a bust, no?

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

If it is, I’m pretty sure the management is not aware.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s the problem!

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

What about “luck”…we seem to have run out of all that luck we had going not too long ago. I blame the Wild, and BTN

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

and Satan. Always throw Satan in there.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

So you’re saying, if Corsi can’t explain it then it’s luck? And if luck can’t explain it, then it’s Satan?

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes

Satan, Miroslav, Sata….. I mean Lucipher, yeah, that Beezelbub character.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Option added to poll…

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by Cheryl Bradley on Feb 14, 2011 9:01 AM MST up reply actions  

We Want Pre-Game Thread

As Jack Bauer says: “Now, dammit, now!”

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

You gotta wait. And it’s not a happy one.

Winnik is a fucking Win!

by Sandie Gauthier on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

My momma always told me: “Forrest, Lafe is lack a boax o chocolates”

Er, sorry, wrong quote…

My momma always told me: “Only good things are worth the wait”

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

not a joke

Forsberg is announcing his retirement today

I am the most humble blogger of all time

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 14, 2011 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

Meh, figures. Not even a home game, and I imagine many have bought tickets for tonight. Fits this season pretty well, actually.

"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." -- M.H.

by Dixomatic on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

What kind of man-crush breaks your heart on Valentine’s Day?

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess that his ankles aren’t holding up then?

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you know what? This pisses me off immensely. Why even bother? He could have come back in a suit for his retirement at the next Avs home game. Why put us through all this shit. There we are, telling the world to go fuck themselves (Hockey Wilderness et al) and that Forsberg was genuine, that he could continue.

Christ, it took Beachie longer to write his “Checking out” article than his comeback lasted.

Fuck it, I can’t even be bothered to carry on. Roll on draft lottery.

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

He tried. He did his best and his ankles are gone. He is not done, he is retiring. He won’t comeback again.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

This. Still have respect for the guy.

by MalachiConstant on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

count me as one of those ‘suckers’ who bought a ticket. I thought he’d last to the end of the season though, or at least one home game.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 14, 2011 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s the only thing that pisses me off. He should have schedule the comeback for this week and given us two home games instead of two road games.

"I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later." -- M.H.

by Dixomatic on Feb 14, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

I think he had hoped his ankles or groin would hold up.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I hate you.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on Feb 14, 2011 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

WHAT?

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:51 AM MST reply actions  

FUCK FUCK FUCK. WHY DID HE DO THIS?

Peter Forsberg - now with added despicableness

by Nemesis44UK on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 AM MST reply actions  

At least we got one last glimpse of him. We can retire his number next season and that will be great.

There is no "I" in team, unless the team has Jimmy Howard.

by c6hor8 on Feb 14, 2011 9:57 AM MST reply actions  

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