Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Roy Nelson Willing to Pay for His Next Opponent's Drug Test

Mock Draft Time.

It's that time of year, the time of the mock draft.  Personally, I love these things.  I love reading the thoughts of other hockey fans/experts and comparing it to my own.  In a couple of weeks, the final "mockies" will be coming out and I plan on recapping them for you as well.  Sooooo.... enjoy the mini recap that you will find after the jump.

Star-divide

Jump.

First, I need to start off by assuming that we end up with the 2nd overall pick.  I know the "draft lottery" makes it possible to move up or down,  but the odds are that we are who where we think we are.  Second, I am also assuming that we are using the "Best Player Available" method of choosing our 4'7" puck moving defensemen first, 1st round selection.  Third, I am also also assuming that the Oilers are using the "Best Player Available" method (bastards better not take our Rocco Grimaldi).  Fourth-ly-est, the wings suck.  Fifth-ly-est-er, with no one nicknamed "the Undertaker," this draft is wide open...

International Scouting Service's top ten ranking.

1.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS    C     6'0     170     L
2.     ADAM LARSSON                     D     6'3     200     R
3.     GABRIEL LANDESKOG         LW     6'0     207     L
4.     SEAN COUTURIER                C     6'4     195     L
5.     RYAN MURPHY                       D     5'10     176     R
6.     RYAN STROME                       C     6'0     183     R
7.     DOUGLAS HAMILTON           D     6'4     193     R
8.     TYLER BIGGS                         RW     6'2     210     R
9.     JONATHAN HUBERDEAU    C     6'1     168     L
10.   DUNCAN SIEMENS               D     6'3     197     L

NHL.COM's Western Conference Scout 

1.     ADAM LARSSON
2.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
3.     SEAN COUTURIER
4.     GABRIEL LANDERSKOG

NHL.COM's Eastern Conference Scout

1.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS  
2.     GABRIEL LANDERSKOG
3.     ADAM LARSSON
4.    JONATHAN HUBERDEAUG

ESPN TOP 10.

1.     ADAM LARSSON
2.     SEAN COUTURIER
3.     GABRIEL LANDERSKOG
4.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS  

THE HOCKEY WRITERS

1.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
2.     ADAM LARSSON
3.     SEAN COUTURIER
4.     RYAN STROME

BLEACHER REPORT.

1.     ADAM LARSSON
2.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
3.     GABRIEL LANDERSKOG
4.     JONATHAN HUBERDEAUG

MYNHLDRAFT.COM.

1.     RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS
2.     ADAM LARSSON
3.     GABRIEL LANDERSKOG
4.     SEAN COUTURIER

And a very cool website that tracks all of these Mockies and turns them into a fancy spreadsheet...

Did this help any?  No.  Are you dumber for reading this?  Maybe.  But reading this fanshot is better then getting shot in the nuts....

 

Super-troopers_medium

 

PS... for you DetAvs... TJ was only 47 points short of making that 50 point mark.... NOW PAY THE FUCK UP, Doc needs the beer...

Poll
Who is the most REALISTIC pick for the Avalanche?
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
13 votes
Adam Larsson
47 votes
Gabriel Landeskog
88 votes
Sean Couturier
3 votes
Joathan Huberdeau
1 votes
Ryan Strome
0 votes
Rocco Grimaldi
2 votes

154 votes | Poll has closed

MileHighHockey.com is a fan community, allowing members to post their own thoughts and opinions on the Colorado Avalanche and hockey in general. These views and thoughts may not be shared by the editors of MileHighHockey.com.

Comment 146 comments  |  4 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I think the only question that matters is do the Oiler’s want their center for the future or their defensemen for the future….

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 2:24 AM MDT reply actions  

I can’t see why the oilers won’t pick RNH. He is the best fit for them anyway. Ofcourse if they should pick Larsson, I still think the Avs should pick Landeskog. Also hoping that Tyler Biggs will be available at no 11.

by erik5150 on Apr 10, 2011 3:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can see them picking him but I don’t think he’s the best fit. I think Larsson would help them the most. Neither Hall or Eberle need help scoring, you can stick anyone that can win faces-offs between them, and they’ll rack up points.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you see more potential in Larsson or RNH?

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, they’re so different. I like what RNH could bring and he’s very low risk with high reward. Larsson could very well be an awesome shut-down defender and maybe quarterback the power play. He’s low risk too but the reward won’t be as apparent, because he won’t light up the scoreboard. If I were the Avs, I would take RNH but if I were the Oilers, I would take Larsson.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should mention that I would seriously consider taking Couturier instead of RNH, if it was my choice for the Avs. He’s big, consistent, skates well and there’s no really reason for him to drop from very first in the rankings. One thing I don’t like about these rankings is that they put too much weight on how they’ve played recently (not that Couturier has played bad). Hockey players are almost all streaky, which can make it look like players are better than they are, when they are on a scoring binge. They should put equal weight on the entire year and previous years too. IMO, if you take all that into consideration, Couturier is the best all-around player available, by a small margin though. He’s going to make some team much better some day.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

All this talk that he will produce Staal numbers is crazy. He may play a similar game to Jordan but his offensive game is much better. He carries his team and is coming back from mono yet still gets league MVP.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 10, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree. He’s upside is more inline with Eric Staal, rather than Jordan. What I find interesting is that some of those ranking him justify the drop due to him not scoring as much as they expected this year. What? He played 10 less games and still matched his production from last year. 96 points is nothing to look down on. If he stays in the Q next year though, I expect he’ll get around 110-120 points.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Based on what I've read,

and ONLY on what I’ve read, there may be questions about his work ethic / showing up to each & every game?

Just think of how fantastic a player Wolski could be. Then, just watch him Wolski about.

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really, I never heard that. He seems consistent as far as the stats go. If you happen to have a link to where you read that, please share.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was in a back issue (December 2010) of THN that I was reading it. Don’t have access to a non-paywall site for that.

Basically, the article said that he’s a great kid with phenomenal potential but that he struggled with showing up all the time. Color me meh on that one.

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes he has been inconsistent or what some may call “disappears” during some of the bigger games. Can’t really go by his WJC as he played bottom 6.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you look down the road I think RNH will be one of the best centers in the league, the reason they could choose Larsson is that he is NHL-ready, I think RNH isn’t…

by erik5150 on Apr 11, 2011 3:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

The best center in the NHL? I could see him being really good, but the best seems like a stretch. His competition is S Crosby, S Stamkos, J Thornton, A Kopitar, R Getzlaf, H Sedin, H Zetterberg etc… There’s generational talent in that list. I don’t believe there is generational talent in the 2011 draft, with the possible exception of R Murphy. Now that kid could turn out to be the highest scoring defensemen in the NHL some day.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you look down the road I think RNH will be one of the best centers in the league

OK, I may have read into your statement too much. But still, his competition is huge. He could end up being one of the best though. But also, Larsson could easily end up being one of the best shut-down defenders in the NHL as well. So, if both players are somewhat equal, and Edmonton has a need for a defender, then it makes sense to pick Larsson over RNH. Their need for fire-power upfront is non-existent, at the moment. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can easily agree that Larsson could turn out to be a top NHL-defenceman. I still think EDM will pick RNH, but I wouldn’t be shocked if they pick Larsson either.
EDM will pick one of these players, so the question really is who will the Avs pick?
I still think if RNH is available at no.2, the Avs should draft Landeskog, but if Larsson is available at no.2? I really can’t make up my mind about Larsson vs. Landeskog….

by erik5150 on Apr 11, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think I would rather have Larsson, for the very reason that we went out and got Johnson: Big, shut-down D are very hard to find. Wingers can be easier.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 11, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

true but not every top D turns into what people hope they will. If the big three are looked to be about equal (if they weren’t there would be a clear cut top pick), then you can go by need. A lot of the top talent for forwards comes in the first round while a lot of the top talent for D can be found throughout the first few rounds as D develop differently. Whats not to say a raw talent like Siemens doesn’t end up being the best all around D from the draft?

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is true. I think it all comes down to risk for the top 3-5 picks. For me, I see the least risk in RNH, Couturier and Larsson. But that is a good point that Siemens could be just as good as Larsson, down the line. Besides, he’s a Sieman. With that in mind, I would choose RNH or Couturier with the first and then hope Siemens is around for the second. If he’s not though, no big deal, there are many others to choose from.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

actually RNH may have the highest risk of the “top 4” but he also has the highest ceiling. Larsson and Landeskog are sure fire NHLers but should have lower ceilings but who knows Larsson could blossom offensively and Landeskog’s game transitions to the NHL perfectly.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah but sure-fire NHLers doesn’t mean they’ll be great, it just means they are ready now. I don’t think that teams should take that into consideration when drafting top 10 players. I can see it a little later in the draft though. Top 10 should only be about the highest ceiling with the least risk. Most analysis I’ve read on RNH is his risk is very low, but he needs time to develop and gain weight. They are comparing him to Sakic, and I’ve just heard another comparing his on-ice-vision to the great one. That’s too much over Landeskog’s head, in my opinion.

Larsson’s another beast, I still see him at the top with RNH. The kid is playing with men, which is a very good sign that he would dominate in a league like the OHL.

I see both RNH and Larsson as being much higher than Landeskog. But yeah, Landeskog is ready now, if that’s what you want or need. I don’t think we need a player now though, we need a player to grow with our team and win a championship later. I just don’t think we are ready to compete against the best yet, so getting someone later, with a higher ceiling, is better IMO.

I do see a lot of your points though, and I respect your opinion. I would take a different strategy though, for the long-term.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh I am not saying RNH isn’t the top prospect… he is just a higher risk in regards to reaching his potential. Some of his game may not translate to the NHL but his vision and other skills may allow him to overcome that. At worst he should be a skilled top 6 forward (that there is the risk of drafting him 1st overall). The other 3 should at the very least be top 6 Fs/top 4 Ds with the potential to be a level higher.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

If RNH continues to struggle this round of the playoffs, Edmonton will probably lean towards Larsson.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 10, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Between the big three, if Larsson isn’t there, I just can’t see us taking a center, especially with our need at wing.

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looks like Landeskog is the runaway poll winner

Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said

by patrit19 on Apr 10, 2011 7:01 AM MDT reply actions  

so far

Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said

by patrit19 on Apr 10, 2011 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. After the-year-of-defense-woe, I’m starting to think it wouldn’t be a horrible thing to establish a solid back end so that they can then turn the forwards loose with less worry. Aiming more towards 2001 than 1996, so to speak. I know that they need wingers, too, but damn: 6’3, 200 lbs. and probably not done growing yet. I’m not terribly impressed with Larsson’s shot, but that could be worked on (if the Avs really work on things during practice).

Besides, you can actually get pretty decent wingers in the UFA. Never a really good defenseman.

by Andy_ on Apr 10, 2011 8:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Of course, if the majority of the forwards could be counted on to be reliable defensively, that would be less of a worry.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

by Andy_ on Apr 10, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Larsson is available, I have a hard time seeing the Avs pass him up. But i don’t think he will be, because I think the Avs will end up drafting third because of the lottery. So RNH and Larsson will both be gone.

Really tho, at the moment, I don’t have a problem with any of the top four guys. I think they would all help us tremendously, even another center in RNH.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 8:58 AM MDT reply actions  

People should rec this to keep it near the top, this could be a good place for all of our drafting hopes and dreams.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins:

 - A good article about him. Compares him to Matt Duchene.

 - RNH Junior statistics

 - NHL.com did a bio on him back in October.

 - A Bleacherreport article that’s actually pretty decent about RNH’s point production and special teams.

 - RNH’s NHL prospect blog. It hasn’t been updated in months, but at least you get to see something that the kid wrote himself.

 - A Copper and Blue prospect biography, including an interview they did with the kid a couple weeks ago.

 - Pretty sure this has been posted before, but here is an NHL Network Prospect Preview of the kid.

 - He’s not the best fighter I have ever seen, but I don’t want to see the kid fight much either.

 - Hahaha, can anyone imagine him doing this in the NHL?

 - 10 minutes of spectator in-game footage of RNH. He’s #9 in white, in case you don’t remember. Also, its from November, so its not very recent.

 - Highlights from RNH’s 6 point night in February. For this game he’s playing on a line with John Persson (#15, LW, 61pts) and Andre Kudrna (#16, LW, 82pts). As far as I can tell, both are as yet undrafted.

 - Future Considerations did a profile video of the kid too. He’s running both #9 and #29, depending on which year the highlights are from.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 11:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Not sure if you were making this reference, but this is what I thought of...


“They are who we thought they were.”

They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.

by Guitarpick8120 on Apr 10, 2011 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah… i went there.

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Adam Larsson:

 - Hockey Writers seem to have an article about each one of the top prospects. Since I led off with their article for RNH, I’ll do the same for Larsson.
 
 - Larsson’s Junior Statistics

 - Elite Prospect’s Stats page on Larsson. Check out the height / weight!

 - Litter Box Cats did a good write-up on the kid in their look at the upcoming draftees.

 - NHL.com’s bio of Larsson from the beginning of the season.

 - Another preview of the kid from Technorati. Same old, nothing new from this one.

 - The Larsson / Lidstrom debate rolls on, this time from the despised Kukla’s Korner (Kan I add another K? :) )

 - Anyone speak Swedish?

 - Bork, Bork. More Swedish, but this one has some nice highlights to accompany the interviews. He’s number five, since the unis are covered in adverts.

 - Nice point shot.

 - He’s not afraid to throw down, but he doesn’t really seem to know what hes doing.

 - Larsson goal vs. Russia in the 2011 WJC Semis.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 11:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Gabriel Landeskog: I know Sandie already did this, but I'll throw some links down too.

 - Hockey Writers begin again!

 - Landeskog’s Junior Stats.

 - Litter Box Cats strike again!

 - Sandie’s original post of awesomeness. So people don’t have to wander back looking for it.

 - The Hockey New’s profile on Landeskog.

 - NHL.com’s profile on him from late last year.

 - Website Bruins2011DraftWatch.blogspot.com seems to take their backgrounding seriously. Here is an indepth profile of the kid with videos, stats, and a healthy dose of Rah-Rah-Bruins!. I will have to link up the other potential draftees with the profiles from this site.

 - I know this has been linked before, but here is a video of Landy’s North-American-ness.

 - Interview, mentions Foppa.

 - He stands up for his teammates.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

For the life of me, I can't decide who I want the Avs to take.

In ‘09, I knew by about February that I wanted Dutchy over Hedman and Tavares, but I just can’t decide between Larsson, Landeskog, and RNH.

For me, it comes down to an inability to decide what the Avs really need from this pick to be contenders in a couple years. What do they need the most: high end offensive talent (RNH), energy, grit and a skilled player willing to go to the dirty areas (Landeskog) or a top pairing defenseman (Larsson)? I really don’t know.

I’ll be happy with any of the three. I do trust Pracey to get the best player, however, even if it’s somebody outside those three.

by ExiledAmongYou on Apr 10, 2011 1:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Of all the areas in our organization (ownership, management, coaching, players, trainers, equipment managers, and everyone else), I trust our scouting the most. They’ll bring us a really great player that will fit with our team wonderfully.

I’m still hoping for Landeskog though. Larsson would be nice (we need the D), as would RNH (we don’t really need another center, but hey, anyone honestly compared to Sakic is always welcome on the Avs), but a power forward replacement for Stewart is what our team really needs. And I don’t think there’s that much of difference between the skills of the three, so I’d really like to see Landeskog on Stastny’s wing next year.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Apr 10, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was on the Hedman bandwagon

then everyone convinced me Dutchy was the way to go.

Living in the D, but It's All About The A.

by Avalanche318 on Apr 11, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still on the Hedman bandwagon

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which is why I covet Larsson so very, very, very much!

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Despite being a wide open draft

McKenzie and ISS’s lists will probably be the best to go off of. McK’s list is usually compiled from a bunch of NHL scouts. CSS and NHL.com are fun to follow but I wouldnt put much value in what the other sites say. Too often it is just a gathering of info from other people as they don’t have the resources to actually scout these kids like one would need to.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 10, 2011 3:55 PM MDT reply actions  

All the numbers on Hensick’s stats for this year don’t even add up to 50.

Avs win. When?

by Randy Time on Apr 10, 2011 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

if you multiply the totals by his jersey number they do. Detavs really sucked at Altimath

Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said

by patrit19 on Apr 10, 2011 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

What is everyone thinking about for the second pick? I know it’s harder to figure out because who knows who will be available. I like Armia, but if somehow Strome or Murphy are still around, it’s a no-brainer. Mark McNeill and Sven Bartschi are also very interesting. I’m definitely hoping the Avs will use this draft to restock the forward position depth, but I know they typically go for the best player available. Good thing there are a lot of decent forwards early in the draft.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Assuming we get the #11 pick (1.5% chance we don’t), I would think Duncan Siemens would be a very good selection. The Scott Stevens comparisons are justified by the way he plays defense. I would much rather have him than Larsson. But if Strome is available I don’t think we could pass on him. The kid has a huge upside and his style is downright dynamic.

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Apr 10, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really don’t think Strome will be available at no.11, but if he is it’s a no-brainer! Anyway Siemens would be a great pick….still got the feeling that Sherman would be stupid enough to trade that pick though….

by erik5150 on Apr 11, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

only way Strome is available is if he completely falls apart in the play offs… as in completely falls apart.

trading the #11 pick is not the end of the world. The pick’s value will increase as the draft goes along if players start dropping. Someone may be willing to offer a ransom for that pick and the Avs may be ok dropping back a few picks for their guy (or just adding a strong NHLer to their system).

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not against selling that 11th pick either, but I want to be sure we get someone awesome in return.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 11, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

in all honesty I would trade up to get a shot at one of the top 8 but what would it take? The problem with that route is asset management. The Avs are big on that and I can’t see them doing a 2 for 1 to move up but I could see them do a 1 for 2 (or 3).

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Granted, it was in the lower rounds, but the Avs traded 2 for 1 twice last year in order to get the players that they wanted in those rounds (3rd & 4th if I remember correctly). Doing it earlier in the draft is certainly more risky, but they’ve done it very recently.

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

the nice thing is a few of the players they may like may be available a few picks later than #11. Not saying they will make a move but this is a draft that it could be a very real possibility (if none of the top 7 or 8 fall)

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nashville doesn’t have a first round pick this year, and we have two…hmmm. We could draft a left wing and trade our 11th for a proven D. Do the Preds have the rights to any good defensmen? Hmmmm.

by I am not food on Apr 11, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Suter!

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Book it!!!!!!!

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Suter – Johnson <3

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 11, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whilst insane happy happies float about in my brain...

Johnson – Suter
Larsson – Quincey
Liles – O’Byrne/Wilson

O’Byrne/Wilson
Elliott


excuse me for a minute while I get something to clean this up…

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

At that point, do we need a goalie….? (also, never gonna happen)

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 11, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Goalie? We haven’t had one of those in a while, except for a few months last season.

Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!

by niwotsblessing on Apr 11, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

The 11th pick and Barrie for Schneider,

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would think the 11th pick alone would be enough for Schneider. I would hate to give up such a promising prospect like Barrie.

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Apr 10, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

if they were desperate to trade him, maybe. but it’s pretty rare to see goalies traded to conference rivals, let alone division ones. little chance of the Avs getting him in trade — UFA though…

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 10, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

That seems a little too expensive for me, especially since the goalie market is somewhat saturated. I also think we have some time to look for a goalie because, while I expect we’ll be better next year, I don’t think we’re going to challenge for the cup. So, we have some time to find the right solution that may not cost us any resources or picks.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Schneider is the number one rated goalie prospect in the NHL according to the Goalie Guild. I’ve heard nothing but this guy is a stud in the making and ready for his own team. Why wouldn’t we make a pitch for him?

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

IF,,,,

we sign Brzy, then never-mind. Problem solved.

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 10, 2011 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

sure he’s a top rated goalie but Halak was a proven NHL starter who could steal games and he brought back a solid top 6 prospect (who was a middle first round pick) and a fringe NHL prospect. Trading Barrie and the 11th overall would be a big time overpayment. You are underestimating Barrie if he is just a throw in.
Just look at their top 10 list… there are a few who could be available or the goalies they could replace could be available for much less than a high pick and Barrie.
I also remember some highly regarded goalie named Denis that was even the #1 prospect for THN at one point who crashed and burned so no goalie is a sure thing.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Everyone should start looking into Puempel and Jensen more. If no one in the top 8 falls, the BPA on the Avs list could be one of these two (if the Avs saw Puempel prior to his injury). I know Siemens and Biggs are hot on everyone’s list but the Avs do BPA. If the Avs go “compete” then the fan faves get picked. If they lean more towards skill then those two forwards will be high on their list. Puempel was looked at as a potential top 5 prior to this year and could be the best goal scorer in the draft. Jensen is big and skilled and is showing that his goal scoring ability hasn’t cooled off (scored 13 goals in 5 games in international play). Just two players to keep in mind.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 10, 2011 9:49 PM MDT reply actions  

That is a good point, especially Jensen. However, I would prefer Armia, at least over Puempel. They should both be on the radar though.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

How is the Puempel injury situation? His hip, right? I’d be a little worried, but given Hishon for one example, I don’t think Avs scouts would be. Sounds like he some serious high-end skill, but he’s in mocks pretty fast (again not something the Avs seem to care about)

by Pacifier Night on Apr 11, 2011 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

If RNH is available I don’t know how the Avs could pass on him. Having said that, I am hoping for Landeskog. I think he would bring a physical top 6 forward presence that has been missing since the Stewart trade. Either way the talent in this draft looks to be pretty good this year and we will likely have 2 high picks. Should go a long way towards improving the franchise.

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Apr 10, 2011 9:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m not sure exactly why but Landeskog makes me nervous. I just get the feeling that he could be a bust, or at least have the most risk in the bunch. RNH would be tough to pass on though.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can understand the bust potential feelings especially since he doesn’t seem to have that elite skill level that is usually desired in the top of the draft. But at the end of the day I want a hockey player who is complete at both ends of the ice, tough as nails, and displays high leadership qualities which seems to fit Landeskog pretty well.

"If we cannot find a way, we will make one." -Hannibal

by AvalancheRescueDog on Apr 10, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can understand that. I just don’t see the top 10 potential yet. I could def see him just outside of the top 10 though. If the Avs end up drafting him at 3, I’ll feel better about it, just because they must feel like he has a low bust potential, if they pick him that high.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Landeskog is this draft’s Toews. Sure he might not have the high ceiling of RNH but the only risk is if he is just a top 6 forward instead of a premier first line forward. As for elite skill level, it is like comparing Stewart to Duchene… sure Duchene has the higher skill level but Stewart brings a different element to the game that will allow him to produce in his own way. Landeskog has been a beast for more than just this year and could have been a 45 goal scorer if it wasn’t for his injury. There is no reason to be nervous unless you are worried about missing out on a better prospect but realistically no prospect is a sure thing.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, I think Stewart was much less of a risk when we drafted him at 18th overall. See my point now? 18th overall, not 2nd or 3rd. Landeskog’s low side is more around a 3rd line energy guy. Hopefully for him, that’s not the case though.

As far as Landeskog being like this draft’s Toews, I’m not seeing it. Toews plays the more important position, he can put a team on his back, and he’s probably one of the best leaders in the NHL. They only mention Landeskog’s leadership abilities because he’s Swedish and it’s rare for them to be leaders in the OHL. I understand that RNH is one hell of a leader on and off the ice as well, but they don’t mention it much because it’s expected of the Canadian centers. For me anyway, there’s no way I would pick Landeskog over RNH, Couturier or Huberdeau.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have a couple good player profiles for some of the guys in the 9-11 range

I found these while looking for the links above –
 - Jonathan Huberdeau, ISS #9
 - Douglas Hamilton, ISS #7 [maybe he’ll fall…?]

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 9:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I am just going to steal a bunch of stuff from these guys, they really do their homework. Ill cut and paste a few things. Original info was found at http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot.com .

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, C Red Deer- Has the ‘Nuge played himself into the top spot when the 2011 draft opens up on June 24? We think he has. His goal scoring was down into January even though his outstanding assist totals were piling up. As if perhaps hearing the critics, RNH threw caution to the wind and just started firing the puck and finding the back of the net with alarming regularity. Nugent-Hopkins finished the season with 31 goals and 106 points in 75 games with the Rebels, precisely the kind of production expected of him when the season began. Although some will take issue with his power play production versus even strength, this guy is an elite skater with the elite hands, passing skills and shot that should see him go in the top-2 selections at the very least. Edmonton, assuming they maintain the top pick, has seen plenty of this dynamic young skater, and although we went on Nation Radio a few weeks ago and predicted Adam Larsson to the Oil, we’ve reversed our position and see RNH being the guy for them if they have the top pick. We’ve talked to several NHL scouts who are all saying the same thing: RNH has taken it to an entirely different level since February and makes perfect sense as the first overall pick for Edmonton. He simply has too much talent and upside not to go there, especially given the kind of awareness Oilers fans have of RNH this season. The thought of him with Taylor Hall and Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson or Jordan Eberle has to create visions of sugarplum pucks dancing in Steve Tambellini’s head. His average size and slender frame is no major cause for concern- at the end of the day, he’s a legit game-breaker and will adapt well to the NHL.
Stock Watch: Blue-chip; like the aforementioned Jonathan Huberdeau, an extended playoff run for Nugent-Hopkins and the Rebels will put him right with Taylor Hall in terms of the player who is freshest in the minds of scouts leading into the draft. Even if the Rebels come up short and don’t advance far in the WHL postseason, we suspect that RNH has done enough already to sell himself to the teams picking 1st or 2nd.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Duncan Siemens, D Saskatoon- Admittedly, we haven’t been as high on Siemens at this blog space as others, but it’s time to face facts, and that is this: with his size, skating ability and pure toughness plus upside, it’s hard to imagine any other player in the WHL being drafted ahead of the Blades d-man once RNH is off the board.He has a powerful stride and good lateral agility. The first-step quickness is still a work in progress, but it isn’t a shortcoming. He’s a tall and lean 6-3, 195-pounds, but when he fills out more, he’ll be even more of a physical beast than he is now. His gap control is very good, and he plays a sound positional game. The points weren’t really there at the beginning, but he came on better in the second half, and he finished with five goals, 38 assists for 43 points and 121 penalty minutes as one hard-nosed, tough mother. Another thing to like about him- he’s a Sep. ‘93 birthdate, making him one of the youngest players in the class, and given his poise and edge, that’s really saying something. The offensive upside is a question that is going to go on in NHL war rooms of teams that have a top-10 selection in this draft, but if Dylan McIlrath can go 10th overall, then Siemens, a very similar kind of player in terms of style and substance, but one who has more skill, could very well do the same or better. B2011DW is late to the party, but based on what we saw in the CHL Top Prospects Game and the fact that all we’ve heard about Siemens all season long speaks to a level of consistency that is laudable, we think he’s a solid No. 2 in the WHL behind RNH. We’re not sure we would take someone like Siemens at 7 or 8, but if he were to go that high, it would not surprise.
Stock watch: Up; playoff hockey is made for a guy like Siemens, so he should elevate his standing even more. Production could be the icing on the cake that pushes him inside the top-10, but even if he doesn’t go that high, we can’t envision a scenario in which he drops past 15. He could end up being a solid,middle-pairing guy in the NHL, but his potential to be more plus toughness quotient means that he’ll go higher than lower in our opinion.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we somehow ended up with a RNH – Siemens combo in this draft, i would be extremely happy. and it’s actually realistic!

I really, really like Puempal and Strome too. A Larsson + Puempal draft would be incredible.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 10, 2011 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

This dude, yes please.

If we don’t nab Larsson, or hell even if we do (I’m greedy lololol), if he’s available at 11, I want Siemens. I think he’s my favorite prospect in this draft and it has nothing to do with his name. When he starts filling out the lanky frame, he’s got the potential to be a real force to stick with the rest of our Hobbit-esque puck movers.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Siemens was paired with Stephan Elliott this year in the WHL.

Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!

by niwotsblessing on Apr 11, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

That just made me completely change my mind on who I want at #11

Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said

by patrit19 on Apr 11, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gabriel Landeskog, RW Kitchener- Some have Ryan Strome ahead of this Swedish power forward and that’s just fine. We are B2011DW are sticking with several scouts, who feel that while Landeskog’s potential offensive ceiling may not be quite as high as Stome’s, he’s more of a complete package and as a power forward, is a safer bet to take first. Would we be surprised at NHL teams having Strome as the top OHL player on their board? Not at all. But Landeskog has a solid two-season track record, while Strome broke out this season, so the first-ever European captain of the Rangers gets the slight edge. Landeskog finished with 36 goals and 66 points in 53 games with 61 penalty minutes, demonstrating that he can finish and plays with an edge, but isn’t an undisciplined player. You have to look long and hard for any flaws in Landeskog’s game, and his character, intelligence and attitude are beyond his years as an 18-year-old who had his birthday in November. Landeskog is not huge- only about 6-0/6-1 but is a very stout 205 pounds and has a lot of upper- and lower-body strength. He’s a good skater who isn’t a blazer, but does have nice jump and can separate. He’s very strong on his skates and uses that lower leg drive to go right to the net, fight off defenders and make things happen in close. He can fire the puck off the rush, but while his drive is heavy, it’s not all that overpowering, so he does his best work between the hashmarks. Landeskog sees the ice well and distributes the puck as his pretty even split of goals and assists attests. Landeskog suffered a high ankle sprain just before the WJC, and then re-aggravated it in Sweden’s first game against Norway, forcing him to miss about 6 weeks of the season. That hurt his production, but even if he had played the whole year, he would not have put up 100+ points. The strength of his game is in his completeness as a player: he can play the finesse game or grind it out, blocks shots, kills penalties, fights and does whatever his team needs him to do. He’s compared a lot to Jarome Iginla, which is apropos, considering Landeskog looks up to the Calgary captain the most as his model player. He not only passed on going the traditional route via Swedish Elite League to come to North America, but plays a decidedly North American-style game. The only real criticism you’ll find with Landeskog is in his ultimate upside, as his overall skill level is not as high as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Strome or even Jonathan Huberdeau. But in the end, because he does so many things well and is a heart-and-soul player, he’s going inside the top-four of the 2011 draft, end of story. He’s also got hockey bloodlines, as his father, Tony was a rugged defenseman in the SEL. Looks like the younger Landeskog inherited some of the best attributes from his dad.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Check please

I’ve read enough.

Living in the D, but It's All About The A.

by Avalanche318 on Apr 11, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only real criticism you’ll find with Landeskog is in his ultimate upside, as his overall skill level is not as high as Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Strome or even Jonathan Huberdeau.

the landscape of the NHL draft is littered with guys that scored like gangbusters in junior because their motor, skill or size was so dominating, yet they didn’t have a well-rounded enough of a game. I worry about that with him. Great motor, good size, but…his skill…

RNH or Larsson for me.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 11, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he seems like a great pick in the mid-first round, but not in the top 5, IMO. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Landeskog drop on draft day. There are too many others with a higher ceiling.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thats the criticism with this draft, isn't it?

There isn’t a generational talent and the guys we’re looking at as Top 5 picks would be in the 10-20 range in more recent draft classes.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

yes and no…

no premier #1 but the top 5-8 could all be good enough to go top 5 in a lot of other drafts. The #12 picked player could end up being the best. There are a lot of solid options outside the top 10-12 through until the 3rd round. After that… its supposed to be less than great.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, I think there are some really good picks that have a higher ceiling and less risk than Landeskog. Examples: RNH, Couturier, Larsson, Huberdeau, Strome, Murphy and Siemens. I don’t think this draft is as bad as some believe, there are some gems for sure. Speaking of generational talent, I think Murphy meets that description for offensive-defensemen. They’re comparing him to Coffey and he could seriously compete for the scoring championship in the OHL in the next couple years (not just d-men, but all skaters).

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

you can’t really throw Siemens into the discussion as having less risk unless you plan on taking him top 5. His ceiling is unknown as he is incredibly young and somewhat under-exposed because of his team’s D. Could he be that somewhat hidden gem that Weber was?

And no matter what other say, of the top 5 or 6, Strome is the riskiest. I would take any of the other 5 over Strome. He had an absolutely terrible season last year so there has to be some concern if this season is the “norm” or not.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I could agree with your Siemens comment.

I don’t think I could agree on Strome though, his season this year was awesome. I understand your concern about this being the norm though. I have similar concerns about Landeskog. His season last year wasn’t really good and this year wasn’t great. Although his points per game stats were good. I could see an argument of the two having similar risks though.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

With this in mind, I could see Landeskog ranked around the same as Strome. So, you’ve at least convinced me that he deserves to be higher than a first mid-first round ranking. The simple fact that he’s ready for the NHL now does push him a bit higher than that.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Landeskog’s season wasn’t really good last year? You do realize that he was the 3rd leading rookie scorer last year in the regular season and the LEADING ROOKIE SCORER in the playoffs (7th overall for the entire league)? I don’t think anyone can call that a disappointing season.
I like Strome but I am cautiously optimistic towards him. The playoffs will go a long way to confirming whether Strome is a top 5 talent or not.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you see Couturier’s stats from last year? Now that was impressive. Looking at Landeskog’s may want a scout to take note, but Couturier’s was eye popping.

I don’t know, I think people put too much weight on the playoff stats. Some guys don’t even get the chance to play or move on (Landeskog, Murphy). I think it’s better to look at a more long-term sample. Or, are you just saying that you’ll get more chances to see him play, before you make up your mind?

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess what I’m saying is that I expect a little more (at least a point per game, even in the rookie year) from a player that’s ranked in the top 3. Strome hardly played the last two years, so it’s hard knock him there, but his first full year he tops 100 points. Then again, I don’t think he belongs in the top 3 either. I do think he should be a hair higher or maybe even with Landeskog though.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Strome played a full year last year but was traded during the season. He was terrible offensively but showed promise. Landeskog has also had international play to show what he can do.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

My bad, you are correct. I don’t care for how hockydb.com doesn’t show the totals for the year, when they play on two or more teams.

So looking at it again, yes, Landeskog def had a better rookie year. So he looked better early, and Strome looks better late, stats wise. However, there are the intangibles like leadership, size etc…So that would favor Landy. But, at the same time, I would expect him to dominate with his current size. True, he did play less games this year, but only 12 less.

GL: 1.24 ppg
RS: 1.63 ppg

Strome has the edge in points per game this year.

GL is more physical but Strome seems to have more highlight reel skill.

I can see why GL is rated higher, because he’s physically ready to join a team now. But long term, I don’t see LS as being any better that Strome. Actually I would expect Strome to have a higher offensive ceiling. Offense isn’t everything, but it’s the most coveted skill. Overall, they seem very close.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

LS should be GL for Landeskog.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

your thoughts are valid...

but you are comparing two different types of players and teams so PPG will be off. Ryan Strome plays with some high scoring linemates. Outside of Landeskog, the Rangers have no one with more than 26 goals. Outside of Strome, the IceDogs have 3 players with 38 or more goals this year. Strome is going to feast with those kind of teammates (especially on the PP where he is one of the top assist guys in the OHL).
Landeskog makes his living on scoring goals while Strome makes a living setting players up. Landeskog has been very dominate in the areas he is expected to be dominate in. Do you think Rick Nash wasn’t dominate his draft year despite the fact he & Landeskog have put up similar numbers? Just something to think about and if he had the exposure of the WJC and a non-injury filled year, there is a very good chance he would have been rated #1 (or #2 at the very least after RNH dominate finish to his season).

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

What about Murphy though? I bet he’s padding numbers for a lot of players on Landeskog’s team.

No, you make a good point though. Duchene’s numbers weren’t amazing his draft year either. The scouts saw a lot in him that you couldn’t see in his stats. Hopefully, if the Avs select Landy, that’s the case with him as well. If you’re able to see the same thing and the Avs pick him, I’ll give you the credit you deserve. I personally think they’ll choose someone else, but who knows, anything can happen. I just wish it would happen now, instead of waiting until the end of June. These days are going to creep along.

by mcarson01 on Apr 12, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

it will be a tough choice for the Avs

as they probably have the top 3 rated all about the same. RNH and Larsson have the chance to increase their stock with the additional games they are playing in the playoffs. I understand what RNH could bring and would have to concede to him being the top pick (unless Larsson’s unique package pushes him to #1) but to add a Landeskog type player is unique in itself… but it may not be #1 pick worthy.

As for Duchene, he actually played on the second line and didn’t always see the quality chances the older players saw so he did well with what he was given. It was the playoffs that pushed him into a lock as a top 3

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's as bad either

but I think when people say “bad draft” they say it meaning the value of pick 6 is about equal to pick 18 because the talent pool lacks that really high end talent. I think the draft has a lot of guys who are going to be in the NHL but none of these guys have “Top 5 at their position” written on them, which means it was a bad year for us to land Top 3 =p

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think early on it looked that way. But recently, these players are proving to be about as good as previous years top players. Granted, I think Hall is a hair better than RNH, but RNH has been changing minds lately. I think the fact that Couturier has slipped is proof that there are pretty good options in this draft.

The 6-foot-4, 197-pound Couturier not only was voted Best Professional Prospect, but also was named Most Valuable Player in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League this season. He had 96 points for the second straight season (36 goals, 60 assists), despite playing 10 fewer games due to his participation in the World Junior Championship for Team Canada in January.

 I still don’t get how he slipped but I can see why Huberdeau moved up.

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, this is the article released today, which is supposed to explain it (not very well though). Consistency is a good thing and they are ranking streaky higher.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=558864

by mcarson01 on Apr 11, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

a few drafts have produced some truly amazing talent outside of the #1 pick but a lot of the top 8 players could be top 5 players in most other drafts. Just look at the last few drafts:
10: Gudbranson, Johansen, Neids
09: Kane, Schenn
08: Bogo, Pietra, Schenn
07: JVR, Turris, Hickey, Alzner

you don’t think guys like RNH, Larsson, Landeskog, Couts, etc wouldn’t knock a few of those out of the top 5? RNH has been mentioned alongside Duchene, Larsson a more developed Hedman, Landeskog a skilled power forward, Couts a higher scoring Staal, and so forth. Of course there are a few in that list that are potential studs but to say the top 3 would be valued at something much much later in most other drafts is underselling this draft.
The weakness of this draft comes from no stud #1 and the quality being non-existant after the 3rd round. The earlier rounds do have a little more risk but they still have quality players.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

he has skill… he can score from anywhere on the ice but he isn’t going to dangle or be all flashy like RNH or Strome. I mentioned it before… its like comparing Duchene with Stewart. Duchene has the higher skill level but a player like Stewart brings something different to the game (but at a step below in skill). Now I am not saying RNH is Duchene and Landeskog is Stewart but its a good comparison for types of players. You are not drafting Landeskog for his skill just like you are not drafting RNH for his power game.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

he has skill… he can score from anywhere on the ice

in junior. you need more ability to score consistently in the NHL. no idea whether he’ll be able to make the jump.

I consider RNH, Couturier, and Larsson the only guys with sure fire top end ability., and even so, they were probably 5-10 picks in other drafts.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 11, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ryan Strome, C Niagara- No player in the draft did more to come from the middle of the pack to grab elite draft status than Strome did this season. He had a magnificent year, finishing with 33 goals, 73 assists and 106 points, holding the OHL league scoring lead until the last day of the season, when Kings and Flyers prospects Tyler Toffoli (5 points) and Jason Akeson passed him up to both finish with 108. Missed a few games due to a Joey Hishon sucker punch, otherwise he probably would have led the OHL in scoring. Strome came into the season not on many radars in terms of being a first-round pick, but hit the ground running and never looked back. Average size, but grew a bit since last year, which helped him in terms of where he’s regarded amongst scouts. Excellent skater who can beat defenders with his speed or elusiveness. Very soft hands and superb puckhandler who uses his feet and creativity to be a going concern offensively. Just a dynamic scorer who isn’t quite in RNH’s class, but isn’t too far off, either. Will probably break into the top-5 in June because he is such a skilled player who can both score the goals and set them up. He’s a hard worker who doesn’t have any real flaws to his game- just needs to get stronger and continue to be diligent in the defensive aspects. He’s a high character kid who has a good sense of humor and is one of the more adept young players on Twitter these days, which means little in the grand scheme of things, but will be welcome news for the media relations folks with the NHL team who drafts him. We don’t want to say he came out of nowhere, because Strome did show flashes of his potential with Barrie and Niagara last season after coming over in a trade, but you’d have to be related to Nostradamus if you want to say that you saw this kind of a year coming.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

So we should draft him and play him on a line with Hishon?

"Colin Campbell doesn’t have the balls to eject Semin." -StiflersMom

by wickediz on Apr 11, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hishon was actually suspended late in the season for a sucker-punch on Strome. . . .so that may not work out too well.

http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2986054

I'd rather be SOBER than a redwings fan.

by IncredibleEdibleYETI on Apr 12, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tyler Biggs, RW U.S. NTDP (USHL)- In the minds of several of our panel, Biggs is the best player to come out of the USHL and all of Jr. A/Tier 2 this season. Much of the discussion around the son of former minor league star Don Biggs has centered around the fact that he’s being projected as more of a third-line player in the NHL. At 6-2, 210 the younger Biggs has the size and plays with a real aggressive mean streak and chip on his shoulder. He sleepwalks at times, which has been a drawback, but has pretty quick hands and a powerful shot. When he’s on his game, Biggs is a hitter and throws his body around in intimidating fashion. His skating’s not an issue, but the real concern teams have on him is with his hockey sense; he’s not very creative and pretty much just drives the puck to the net but doesn’t see the ice all that well and isn’t able to get much done on his own.

The questions about his creativity are what lead Biggs to be seen as a 3rd/4th-line kind of checker/banger at the NHL level. But with just 7 goals and 11 points in 20 USHL games this year with the Under-18 team, the Miami University (OH) recruit is a bit of a wildcard- he could be a Milan Lucic kind of guy, or he might end up being Mike Brown. That’s where Biggs will require a leap of faith for an NHL team to take him earlier. You might see a similar effect to Adam Clendening, where a team with several picks in each of the first two rounds gambles on a player like Biggs, whereas a club with just one in the 1st or 2nd shies away from him because they don’t think they can afford to spend the pick on a guy who may just be lower-end grinder. It’s all going to come down to how an NHL team views Biggs- if that staff sees a bigger picture upside with him, he could be a top-15 pick, but it’s going to take a team really believing in him to do that because the conventional wisdom just doesn’t see him achieving true power forward status.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

interesting fact: the assistant coach for Tyler’s father is old Avs prospect Franek

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brandon Saad, LW Saginaw- It was a disappointing season for the power forward who came into the year as the top-ranked OHL player on many lists given his size and skill package. The 6-2, 210-pounder from Pennsylvania can really handle the puck and has a powerful shot that he can really rip- an NHL caliber release on it already. Saad also has a long, fluid stride. He’s a powerful skater who can use his feet to get into scoring position and convert breakaways. He also anticipates well and seems to have a real good feel for the game’s flow with good on-ice vision. After the season he had with the U.S. NTDP last year, big things were expected of him with the Spirit and he got off to a nice start only to tail off production-wise as he battled injuries and consistency woes. In terms of pure potential, there aren’t many players better than Saad in the entire 2011 draft class, and if he falls closer to 10 or even out of the top-10, then the team who lands him could have big steal on their hands. His 27 goals and 55 points in 59 games isn’t great, but is just scratching the surface of the kind of player he has the capability of becoming if he gets his development back on track. He’s a horse along the walls and virtually impossible to slow down when he shields the puck and gets the cycle going. Scouts tell us he needs to play with more of a mean streak and raise the intensity levels, but all the tools are here for an accomplished NHL player in time.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you misspelled Dustin Penner’s name.

4th biggest pessimist of MHH.

by Dixomatic on Apr 12, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huberdeau is sick. I can’t see him slipping very far. Some have him ranked in the top 5 now. That would be awesome if he did fall to 11 though.

by mcarson01 on Apr 10, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nicklas Jensen, LW Oshawa- Perhaps the best player ever to come out of Denmark, this power forward prospect has it all: size, skill and some real intriguing NHL potential if he could just figure out how to keep his on switch engaged throughout a game. We saw him in January, and he was dominant, scoring several goals, assisting on a couple of others, and playing a tenacious game in all zones. Unfortunately, NHL scouts tell us that he was pretty inconsistent at times. His physical play was also inconsistent, as he had the size to own the wall and establish position in front of the net, but didn’t do it as often as scouts expected. He’s a long strider who covers a lot of ground with a powerful push, but needs to keep the feet moving. He can really rip it, too- scores more than a few goals from the outside with laser release and ability to pick corners. So, while he brings some real impressive talents and abilities to the mix, Jensen has to keep his compete levels at a higher level. How far will he drop in the draft? Our guess is not too far past 20 if at all because he is such a talented player that a team is likely going to believe they can reach and keep motivated. The 6-3, 190-pounder has plenty of room to fill out, and with 29 goals and 58 points in 61 games, proved he can score with the best of them. If Boone Jenner’s motor was installed inside this kid, he’d be a top-three pick- no kidding. Big upside with this one, but some bust potential as well.

[they also linked this vid]

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on Apr 10, 2011 10:06 PM MDT reply actions  

his bust potential would be Wolski…

and Jones plays more of a power game than Jensen so calling him a power forward is a little off. Probably this drafts Havlat.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Avs seem to value high-motor guys (along with high-end skill and character) under Sherman. Sort of an anti-Wolski’ing approach. I’d be surprised if they went for Jensen.

by Pacifier Night on Apr 11, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

True but he is someone to keep an eye on. I really like Puempel but this draft could be all over the place so a top 8 could land in the Avs laps

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

PS… for you DetAvs… TJ was only 47 points short of making that 50 point mark…. NOW PAY THE FUCK UP, Doc needs the beer…

i know im late to this post (nice work, btw, and to mfured and his detective work), but this made me lol. i do need the beer, good grief.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 10, 2011 10:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Just trying to help a brother out…

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 11, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most realistic draft choice?

4’7" puck moving defensemen

Funny shit there, well done :) applause

Assuming the Oilers stay at #1 and Avs stay at #2, the most realistic pick is Landeskog. I would personally prefer Larsson based on the few clips and reviews I’ve seen of him. Our current D-men showed me a lot of good things the last few weeks of the season. Mack Truck seems to be back, Johnson is the real deal, Holos shows a lot of promise as a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy, and I really hope they re-sign Koci in a defenseman role. He’s not an all-star there, but he seemed solid and comfortable there in my eyes. Gaunce will be very good very soon. But Larsson seems like he would be a huge upgrade for us very quickly. Edmonton, though, needs D even more than we do, and that’s where I expect they will focus during this draft. Assuming we don’t have Mueller and/or Fleischmann back next year, (a fair assumption I think) winger is our most pressing need, and Lando makes the most sense to me if he’s available and Larsson is gone.

Having said all that, I’ve seen none of the soon-to-be-draftees play. I’ll defer to the experts who have more informed opinions than I as to “best player available”, which seems to be the Avs way of drafting.

by kraken09 on Apr 11, 2011 12:30 AM MDT reply actions  

the Avs will need a #7 D so Koci could be in the mix unless that was just a fun experiment.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 11, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really hope they re-sign Koci

This may be the first time I’ve ever read this statement when it wasn’t dripping in the savory goodness of some sarcasm gravy.

That said, I do not necessarily disagree. He should probably be an injury fill-in as stated by zandar, but he didn’t look nearly as much like the comic relief on the backend as he did up front.

by pra4snow on Apr 11, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the Avs should consider their current needs at all, and I don’t think they will. The Hishon pick (and to a certain extent even the Barrie, O’Reilly, and Elliot picks) proves they will take the BPA regardless of need.

No soup for you!

by creamy on Apr 12, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

true

but when you are drafting in the top 3, unless the #1 is a stud… you can’t really go wrong drafting based on need.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Koci didn’t look out of place on D like I thought he would. He skated very well, directed traffic and was able to rub players out without drawing a penalty. I think it would be best to sign him and have him play in all of the exhibition games on D and see if he can be a 3rd pairing LD. No risk if it doesn’t work out because he can always be spotted on the 4th line in is usual role.

by CMM09 on Apr 11, 2011 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Blehhhhhh

Going with the status quo after finishing a season second last probably isn’t the best way to improve upon those results.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

THIS!

We seem to have gotten too good at rationalizing because of this past campaign. This is the offseason, where hope should spring eternal, or at least higher than that.

If Koci is anywhere near 7th D next year after this off-season, an investigation is order on our lack of depth-building.

by Pacifier Night on Apr 11, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it’s funny no one has questioned the Rocco Grimaldi selection….

Mile High Hockey: Command and Control for the 1st Avs Tank Battalion...
St. Louis Game Time: A Blog To Go And See Chris GODDAMN Stewart...

by i2strange97 on Apr 11, 2011 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I feel safer that we won’t grab him now that the 2nd rounder is out of play. 11th is way too early…right?

If Rocco lands on a team with a lot of size, I could see him having a chance. With us? Probably not such a good idea.

by Pacifier Night on Apr 11, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not the only person who feels terribly sorry for the third overall selection am I? I just can’t help but feel that whoever is chosen by the Panthers is doomed to never be noticed again. Sad stuff…

"Yeah, that's the wurst."

by Avapants on Apr 11, 2011 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Hardly

Because with the way Avs luck has worked this season, we’ll be the team picking third.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ll be pissed if this happens, at first. But as long as we stay on the board with RNH, Larsson or Landeskog, I will be a pretty happy dude. I am starting to like all three a lot.

by Pacifier Night on Apr 11, 2011 4:51 PM MDT reply actions  

A few quick questions....

RNH – With all our centers, what happens when he, Stastny, Duchene, O’Reilly and Hishon are all completing for top-6 minutes? Does someone switch to wing, or do they become trade bait? And if so, who gets moved?

Larsson – since D-men take longer to develop, how high is the risk that he won’t become as strong of a player as we hope or takes 3-5 years to come into his own (like EJ)? Is he ready to help our blue-line now, or is he a long-term, tail end of the rebuild kind of guy?

Landeskog – Even though he would fill an important need in the organization, would his projected lower ceiling going to come back to haunt us? How much of a risk is he? And can we afford to take that risk?

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on Apr 12, 2011 1:46 PM MDT reply actions  

If the rumors were true, they were already shopping Stats at the trade deadline. I wonder if he actually isn’t in their long-term plans?

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 12, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

well based on the rumor they were offering up Stastny in a package for Johnson (top pairing D), Bernier (starting goalie), and Stoll (defensive center). The trade they ended up doing brought back EJ (top pairing D), the #11 pick, and McC (defensive center). Instead of say Stastny and TJ, it ended up being Stewart and Shatty. Stastny could be moved still but they would need payroll to do so. I still wouldn’t be against the LA trade even after the EJ trade.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would assume you’d have to move a couple to wing. Hishon and Duchene would be the likely candidates. Duchene looked pretty good there. You could also trade one (likely Stastny) if you feel comfortable with the others.

D men high in the draft are a higher risk to reach their potential for sure. they’re on such long development curves. but, Larsson is ready to be in the NHL now and by all accounts won’t embarrass himself either. I think he’d be as big a help as anyone in the draft, even if he’s not Lidstrom reborn his first year.

I would simply hate to watch Larsson and RNH grow into starts while Landeskog is just a decent player. I would much rather have the lesser chance at a star than a surer stab at a merely decent player with much less chance of being a star.

it’s all a crap shoot though. I trust the Avs’ drafting, it’s superb. I’ve said this before, but don’t forget Couturier was considered a cold lock for the top pick or 2 last year. Only his mono and the associated reduced numbers have dropped his stock. It would not surprise me in the least to see them take Couturier, much like they chose Hishon when his stock dropped. Couturier is big, plays LW and C, skilled…

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT

by thedoctor on Apr 12, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Couturier’s numbers weren’t even reduced. He played 10 less games and scored the same points (96) on the year. I could def see the Avs taking him for the reasons you mention and the fact that PL was really high on Lecavalier back in the day. Couturier is very similar.

by mcarson01 on Apr 12, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Couturier is big, plays LW and C, skilled…and some question his compete level.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who, me?

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 12, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Couturier is not Wolski, good grief!

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

We’ll see.

2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Landeskog:

Even battling injuries, he is the 2nd best goals/per/game forward in the draft @ 0.679 gpg (grimaldi is an even .68)

I like Siemens at 11 – but wouldn’t be butt-hurt if the pick was used to help fetch a goalie (ie, Bernier, Schneider, and too a lesser extent Lindbeck)

But all this is moot until after tonight. If we get the first pick – we take Larsson. If we land 3rd, I think we take who’s left again of the top 3 (RNH, Larsson, Lands)

I'd rather be SOBER than a redwings fan.

by IncredibleEdibleYETI on Apr 12, 2011 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

the problem people are having with Landeskog seems to be they believe he has a lower ceiling than RNH. When you are a power forward (a true POWER forward) you are not going to be a bigger point producer than an offensive skilled forward who reaches their ceiling. You will however have a better chance of being an NHL regular due to your type of game. Take EJ for instance… we lost Shatty for him. Shatty may end up being the better point producer but EJ will bring a much better overall game and probably score more goals. If Shatty exceeds his offensive potential and EJ just barely misses reaching his ceiling… would you still want EJ? People need to think of it in that sense with RNH and Landeskog.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 12, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Landeskog’s style of play also creates space for other players on his wing to excel, something that may not show up on the scoresheet. Put Landeskog with Duchene and Hishon, and Gabe will be the one digging the puck out of the corner, driving the net and tying up some talentless thug defenseman while Dutchy and Hishon skate circles, make the pretty pass and go top shelf.

Landeskog may be the guy who puts his team over the top in the playoffs.

Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010!

by niwotsblessing on Apr 12, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

For original fans of the Quebec Nordiques, transplanted fans of the Colorado Rockies, day one fans of the Avalanche and bandwagon fans just looking for a place to root.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Oak_bigger_small
Favorite non-Avs players
Oak_bigger_small
Bracket Challenge, half way there...
Russia4_small
Landeskog on Varly at Worlds
Steamavatar_small
Relish in the decline of the RedWheel
Steamavatar_small
Lets play fill the hole
Russia4_small
WC: Russia vs Norway
Small
MORE of My Investigative Report
Russia4_small
Varly answers fan questions at Worlds
2309379311_5dd939250e_o_small
Why the CBA argument is a red herring
Oak_bigger_small
MHH Bracket Challenge

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

View My Stats

Managing Editor

Milehigh-xl_small David Driscoll-Carignan

Assistant Editors

Icon_small Joe Dunman

Mike_logo_2_small Mike @ MHH

148488_10150337054485417_836355416_16934526_6679165_n_small Sandie Gauthier

Gravatar_small Cheryl Bradley

Staff Writers

Me2_small Angélique C. Murray

Godzilla_mario_small A.J. Haefele

Me_small Derek B

Me_and_fopps_small Cole D Hamilton

I3_r_3___t_small Brett Shumway

Wilson_small Randy Time

Zaphod_small SteveHouse

Avalanche_logo_small andidee15

Jtizz_small Sean Harsha