Avalanche Win Finale 4-3 OT
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 10, 2011 8:52 PM MDT
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The Avalanche sent Adam Foote off in style today as the good guys knocked off the Oilers in OT. With the win, the Avalanche moved to within 29 points of the 8th and final playoff spot. Not sure they have enough time to get back into the race, though...
I wasn't supposed to be doing the recap tonight and didn't get a chance to watch the game. But, Derek appears to be AWOL so you get my non-expert, replay-free analysis. David Jones scored in overtime to give the Avs the win. It was his 27th goal of the season, tying him with Matt Duchene for the team lead. It was also his 4th GWG of the season, moving him ahead of Kevin Porter, Paul Stastny and Fucking Chris Stewart for the team lead in that category. Matt Duchene had 2 assists to finish the season with a team-high 67 points (the 2nd-lowest leading point total in Avalanche history). Adam Foote played the entire game and was awarded the #1 star for his trouble (Budaj: robbed again!). David Koci had 7 (seven!) 3rd period shifts on his way to 15:49 of ice time. Seriously, why didn't someone think of doing that sooner? Meanwhile, Jonas Holos led all players in ice time and mispronounced names.
Does that about cover it?
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I like him back there. not sure there’s room for him to bring him back, but I didn’t think there was room for him this year and the Avs still re-signed him.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 10, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Never thought I’d say this, but I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t resign them. From everything Ive heard he’s a great locker room guy, and he really is a good person to have as a healthy scratch most nights but that we can just plug in if necessary.
by stpn47 on Apr 10, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he likes the Pepsi Center’s nachos
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Fuck the red wings indeed
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by patrit19 on Apr 10, 2011 8:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s how I feel.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 10, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too. How incredibly valuable is it to have a guy that can sub in on 4th line winger duty, be a solid shut down d-man, and be an enforcer (well, sort of anyway) on any given night? I’ve always maintained that Koci was an asset; now I feel even strongly about it.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
*more strongly
"My name is still Cameron Awesome, and I still play defense, yo! (Though, admitedly, I really do need to learn how to fight.)"
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t really want to dwell on this, because I don’t think it’s worth talking about too much, but I hope Koci never plays another shift on D for the Avs ever again.
Here’s a list of Avs defenders who are better than Koci at D:
Johnson, Quincey, Liles, O’Byrne, Holøs, Wilson, Hunwick, Cumiskey, Guance, Liffiton, Belle, Macias, plus Elliott and Barrie are both coming to the AHL/NHL next season. (We can quibble about the last 3 all we want, bith all three are career AHLers, and had LE not been in a playoff race, I bet they would have been called up before Koci was put back there).
If Koci is ever put at D the only hope is that there was a call-up and he didn’t have time to make it to the Avs before the next game so they threw Koci out there. Otherwise it means: The Avs are in the middle of another season like this or the coach is actively trying to get fired.
I don’t dislike Koci, and I’m fine with the Avs re-signing him. But let’s be careful what we call an “asset” cKoci’s only NHL caliber skill is his ability to get punched in the face by really big guys without dying.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I definitely see your point. I just have a higher opinion of the guy than most people.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree for the most part, but I think the thing that Koci playing D demonstrated best was how valuable having a big stay-at-home guy in the bottom pairing is. Yeah Koci wasn’t contributing to the offensive side of the game, but if all he did was be big and stay between the guy with the puck and Budaj, then he did a better job than most of the smallish PMD have done of the course of the season (read: Cumiskey, early-Hunwick).
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree for the most part, but I think the thing that Koci playing D demonstrated best was how valuable having a big stay-at-home guy in the bottom pairing is.
I’d really like the Avs to sign someone and have O’Byrne be that guy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Absotively.
IMO, the only way that Koci should be around the franchise next year is if he will sign a two way contract at league minimum and start on LEM’s bottom pairing. Even then I have LOTS of misgivings about the idea.
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But, Koci is really valuable to have around in press box duty so that one of the marginal kids isn’t sitting around not playing. Besides, before the last game I would have claimed that Koci was better than Belle (Belle played better yesterday), and I still think Koci is better than Macias and Liffiton. And he’s different than the small, puck movers. So I think he suits up before, say, Cumiskey or Hunwick (maybe) if the Avs are down a big, stay-at-home guy.
So I think he suits up before, say, Cumiskey or Hunwick (maybe) if the Avs are down a big, stay-at-home guy
I would seriously doubt it.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
You guys are kidding me, right? You’re the coach. You’ve just watched your last big, stay-at-home defenseman go down to a tennis elbow concussion. Your choice is between putting in Cumiskey and having an entire defensive corps that can be pushed all over the place, or putting in Koci and having a defensive corps that can only mostly be pushed all over the place, and you both pick Cumiskey?
seeing him on D, I’ve been impressed with his skating, and his knack for making smart little plays. Things like pinching the puck along the boards, pushing the play at the right times, looping back to the blue-line at the right times, not overstepping on forwards along the faceoff circle boards.
I hope to see him stay now. The friend who was with me asked me near the end
“What if Koci ends up being the next Dustin Byfuglien?”
Not quite going to happen, but he’s earned the right to stay for next year more than he did for this year.
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There was also a few times when he was directing the rest of the guys as to their positioning on ice. I was really impressed.
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 10, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he’s good, but I hope we’re not going to fool ourselves into thinking he should be re-signed as a D-man. (Although he’s fine for an enforcer)
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 10, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with Jibbles. I think we’re in danger of rating him too highly on the eyeball test because our D is so terrible ANY good play is elevated relative to the frozen shit sandwich that we usually have on the blueline.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Yes. Kudos for Koci for his surprisingly solid play, but let’s not give him Finger money.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, he’s barely passable as a defender. we have plenty of those guys already. i know it’s an improvement over him as a winger (total shit) and as an enforcer (HAY GUYS PUNCH ME), but that’s not a good enough reason to keep him around.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
I guess I don’t give a shit about enforcers, so if we sign him as such, I don’t really care. It’s not like his 1:50s hurts the Avs all that much
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Except it shortens your bench the rest of the game…it’s basically a wasted roster spot each game he plays
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
yeah
I guess I wasn’t clear. I’m in favor of no enforcer on the roster, but if you have to have one. Koci is as good as anything
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
are you serious? Koci is a terrible, terrible fighter.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
So what?
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
if you’re going to have one, don’t you want one with a better chance of firing up the crowd and team, rather than deflating them when he gets spanked?
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
I don’t think the staged fights enforcers conduct have any effect on the outcome of a game. Zip, Zilch, Zero. I want Avs management to do as little as possible in signing another one. That means not even taking the time to find another enforcer’s agent’s phone numbe, and I presume they already have Koci’s agent programmed into their phones. Therefore he’s the most attractive option.
Barring that, a better enforcer will tempt the coach into dressing him more. I want a guy who can barely stay on his skates, and the coach will never ever, ever be tempted to play him.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
wouldn’t that be an interesting blog post over the summer: the effect of staged fights on wins/losses. all the data is there — score at the time of the fight, who won (thanks hockey fights), game results. i really have no idea how it would come out.
if i ever free up at work/home, i’d love to do it. maybe i’ll ping you about it, or you can do it if you get the urge, whatever.
my point in the whole enforcer thing is that it simply depresses me to watch a guy in an avs jersey getting his face pounded in. if we’re going to have an enforcer, why not a good one? i think there’s arguments with potential merit on the “deterrent” side of things too. chris simon was a hell of reminder not to touch sakic.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
if i ever free up at work/home, i’d love to do it.
Aren’t you having a baby this summer. Good luck with that “free time” thing. ;)
but seriously, guys know they aren’t going to get beaten up because the enforcer, and it’s just not the way things work anymore. Simon had actual NHL skill at a position too. He was below average, but he had actual NHL skill.
I enjoy fights, but I know it’s a complete and total sideshow and has no merit on how good a team actually is. Like the shootout.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
whoops
I mean guys know they aren’t going to get beaten up by an enforcer. When was the last time a guy ever fought a designated enforcer to answer the bell for a hit? I can’t remember the last time it happened in any game, let alone Avs. The enforcer isn’t deterring anyone.
Wilson and McLeod are better deterrents because they are the ones who will be delivering retribution.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
i totally agree. we’re arguing 2 different points: you say there should not be enforcers at all (i happen to agree). i say if we’re forced to have an enforcer, why do we have a shitty one?
since the instigator penalty really became an enforced part of the game, there’s really no purpose for an enforcer. better to have wilsons and such, i totally agree. there is some small deterrent for big dudes though, and i really wonder as to the effect of pumping up a team by winning a staged fight.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
No I’m saying if the Avs insist on having one (and really they aren’t necessary. The Red wings don’t have one) I hope they allocate as little resources as possible into finding one. That means Koci, unless someone’s available.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
i think you can find a better enforcer than Koci without spending any more money. Hell, Bordeleau’s a better fighter for sure and he’s already in the organization.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
fine
Let them have a fight in the preseason. Winner goes to the Avs, loser to the Monsters.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Fight Night at the Burgundy & Blue game.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
And as I’ve pointed out before that’s a myth. Most teams, in close games, will go with 3 lines, especially in the 3rd period. Koci’s not taking ice time away from anyone when he’s in the lineup.
And he’s not a terrible fighter, do the research and look him up on hockeyfights.com before making that statement.
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by Dan Winkler on Apr 11, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I would say that getting a young guy in like Malone or Olver, even in only the 1st or second period and even for only 5-6 minutes, is more important than Koci’s buck fifty.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
Enforcers are bleh. Back in the day, sure, whatever, but we aren’t back in the day. We’re in today…where they just don’t matter like they used to.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
A few thoughts from someone who was there today:
-Great to see the place packed and buzzing, hopefully attendance will keep going up and be good next year again!
-First time in a long time that these guys have forechecked at all, i really feel like its the key to our game
-Jay McClement’s game has picked up tenfold since they put the A on his jersey
-I dont know if anyone saw it on tv, but at one point Foote lifted a guy’s stick and launched it about 20 ft straight into the air
-Foote absolutely mugging that Oiler in the corner was amazing, it was 6 rows in front of me, highlight of the evening
-Happy to see Foote go out in style, wish Sakic and Forsberg could’ve done it this way
-Jersey off our backs fan who got Wilson’s jersey was sitting next to me
-Loved to hear “And now, a player we cant wait to see in uniform next season, #14, Thomas Fleischmann”
-Same with Mueller, who cut his hair? What? Where did you go pirate Mueller!? I worry that without those glorious locks his head is even more vulnerable, only time will tell. You could see how disappointed he was standing there in a suit, I really hope he’s somehow able to salvage his health and his career.
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 7:56 PM MDT reply actions
Foote’s last shift was the best one he’s had since he came back in 08
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by patrit19 on Apr 10, 2011 8:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn’t see it, but he had some damn good shifts in the 08 playoffs. Ask Marion Gaborik.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 10, 2011 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Foote’s last shift was epic, McNab burst out laughing when he knocked that guys stick up in the air, we got a good replay later. Foote was just giving some payback from Olver getting mugged behind the oil goal. Great to see him abusing the oil that way.
Thank you Adam.
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by niwotsblessing on Apr 10, 2011 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions
McNab said something about the ’Total disdain of the opposition". It was great.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Apr 10, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I got the feeling that the Altidudes were just sitting back and enjoying the game like the rest of the Avs fans, especially on Foote’s last shift.
I don’t care what anyone says. I’d much rather have somewhat knowledgeable fans of our team as my commentators than really good, in-depth, neutral hockey guys. Knowing that each and every one of the broadcasters on Altitude are as blatantly pro-Avs as I am makes watching the games fun.
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Not me. I don’t like all sunshine and daisies when my team is the 2nd to worst team in the entire NHL, and the announcers are still pretending that a bounce here or there would have them in contention for a playoff spot. It’s dishonest, and stupid
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
It’s better than: “Why the f*ck are you even watching this? This is terrible. You are stupid for wasting your time and money here. I’m getting paid. What’s your excuse? If I had a shoe I’d beat some since into you.”
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Well I’m not asking for the extreme, but being fair and not treating the fans of your team like idiots would be a start.
Like when Budaj/Elliot give up a massive soft goal…don’t tell me that it was a great shot that just snuck in.
Or when a guy gets beat on D. Don’t tell me that it was just a great play by the other team. Tell me what went wrong
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Eh, fair enough. I suppose that it just doesn’t bother me. Rycroft does a pretty good job pointing out break downs or subtle things guys are doing right. But he has a lot more time to prepare for his brief stints between periods.
I don’t take the “sunny-side” approach seriously, I just find it humorous. If Budaj let’s in a soft-goal, I’m pretty well aware it was soft. Having to listen to the TV telling me how terrible the goal was won’t help — it would more likely cause me to hit mute or turn the game off out of frustration. At least I get a laugh out of the sunny-side dishonesty.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t always notice what aspect of the play broke down or who made what mistake. Having someone more knowledgable than me elaborate would be nice. Of course, that’s one reason I keep Bubs around. =)
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, to each his or her own for sure. The solution to all of this is for the Avs to play better, warranting national tv coverage. Then you’ll get unbiased reporting as well as sunny-side.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeaaaaaaaah
Life purpose REVEALED
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think that the difference between what andi proposes and the problem that you (and I) have with the sunshine and rainbows brigade are mutually exclusive.
It would required an enlightened ownership group (which is a pipe dream at this point) to allow all of the Altiboobs to call a spade a spade, and a suck a suck, much in the way that Rycroft does (though even he is obviously restrained on many occasions). The exception to this is Julie frakking Browman. Don’t know if I mis-spelled her surname, don’t care. She’s just turrible.
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Great recap – I agree 100% with everything you said.
One little last note: Matt Duchene, with his two assist tonight, ended up tied for the top spot on the team in goals (27 – which is different than 30 – with Jonesy) AND in assists (40 with Hot Pocket). He also tied for top scorer of the ‘09 Draft Class in ’10-’11 (67 pts with John Tavares), but leads the class overall (122pts to Tavares’ 121). That’s pretty decent for a Sophomore who basically shut down for two months after losing Flash. Just think of what he’ll do next year with healthy wingers!
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That, with the argument made in Frei’s article, almost has me thinking that (dare I say it) Matt Duchene should be Captain next year.
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i still vote Radar
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Why? Why does production factor into the decision for captaincy? Is Duchene portraying leadership qualities with his points production? This team needs leadership and goals. I see Dutchy actively engaging in the one (after about early November) but not the other.
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Yeah
Going to strongly, STRONGLY disagree with this sentiment.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 11, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I still don’t understand how anyone can think they’ll give Duchene the C when his teammates have commented more than once on his immaturity. Even Foote’s mentioned it. As great as he is on the ice and as much drive to win that he has, captaincy takes way more than that. I just don’t see Duchene as having it. Maybe one day he will, but there are other guys who are more ready. O’Reilly gets so much more credit for being mature and a leader all across the board. But as he’s yet to don the A, I can’t see him getting it. (Same is true for Duchene, BTW). I can see McClement getting it before either of them. However, I will maintain until it’s decided that it will be Stastny. He’s been groomed for it. I’d like it to be Liles, but with his status on the team never being secure, I doubt it will happen.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Matty looked like shit for the 1st half, but came out pretty well for the second. His feed to Duke for the GTG? was a beaut. I also liked how he corralled the guys for a pep talk for the first shift of OT.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions
question for you there from someone who was also there,
Is it just me, or didit take almost NOTHING to get an Oiler to go crashing to the ice like he’s lust been hit in the shins by a sledge hammer?
And I saw that flying stick too, that was so awesome
That final shift of Classic Foote was simply legendary. I loved the way the whole building lit back up when Foote turned the mauling mode on for the last time
Also, I was proudly teary during the Highlight reel they showed late in the game (I don’t at all remember when that was)
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-I was looking through photos of the Oilers earlier today for a possible photocrop. I’ve never seen a set of daintier looking hockey players! Seriously! Half of them looked like they should have bonnets on instead of helmets! They play like it too. If the Oilers want to be competitive, they need to toughen up.
-Stick flying = Epic. Last shift by Foote… I wasn’t here for the glory days. But I felt like, in those last few minutes, I saw a glimmer of the days of old. The Pepsi center was loud and engaged in the game, and Adam Foote – wow! I mean, I knew that he was a good defenseman back in the day, but I’ve only seen Grandpa Foote. His last shift was anything but. It was exciting to watch – I understand now why he is such a loved player in Denver. And who knows? Maybe that is the first of many glimmers of the past that will begin popping up at the Pepsi center as the young players start to get better and begin to resemble a championship team again.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
The crowd was so engaged I think it was distracting to the guys on the ice (at least when Footer was on, the 2nd was pretty dull). There were delays to face offs b/c of standing ovations and every time Footer touched the puck the crowd went up.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d take that over crickets any day. And noise is a get-used-to thing. If the Pepsi Center was that loud every night, the Avs would be accustomed to it, but the other team wouldn’t be. It would be great.
The noise – and the fans – will come back again in the next decade. I mean, when you have a team with a scoring/team leader like Sakic Duchene, a gifted 2-way center like Forsberg O’Reilly, a strong, reliable defender like Foote Johnson, and an incredible goalie like Roy ….(well, I’m sure we’ll either meet him this summer, or Pickard is our man), winning and fans are sure to come your way. Denver has proven it can sell hockey tickets if the team is good enough. And it will be again in the next few years.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
and an incredible goalie like Roy ….
nice
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Honestly, I see a solid, All Star-caliber goalie as the missing piece of this team. I think the rebuild is nearly complete (weird, I know). But while we were sucking this year, we got our #1 defenseman that will lead us to the Cup. We also moved a step closer to having the rest of our solid prospects (especially the defensive ones) ready for NHL duty. We guaranteed ourselves a top 3 pick that we can use to get the power forward we still need (or bolster our defense, or add another offensive weapon). Many of the young guns got lots of playing time, and almost all of them stepped up and showed what they will be capable of in the years to come (Radar and Duchene, anyone?). And our inexperienced coaching staff learned what not to do, which is sometimes just as important as learning what is right.
This season hurt, but we are closer than we have ever been to being competitive again. Basically: what we have + good goalie + a few more years’ experience – concussions = Stanley Cup
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
I applaud the optimism, but I disagree. Yes a decent, NHL starter caliber goalie is a need, but so is a reliable defensive pairing. We have pieces, but we haven’t seen them play yet. Johnson and Quincey could be lights out, but with injuries on this team, as soon as somebody gets hurt you have to have depth. Could Johnson and Liles be a top pair? Didn’t see it this year. Can Liles and ROB be a decent second pair? I think so, but they were overused this season. What about the bottom? Will the real Ryan Wilson step up or is he destined for a 7th D-man role as younger guys take away his ice time?
We can dream of a future that involves Mueller and Flash, but at this point you need to add depth on the wing because one of the both of them may wear more suits than jerseys for the foreseeable future. Olver, Stoa and Porter are not the answer. We have (currently) about 1 and a half lines between SoS, Dutchy, Duke, and Jones. Maybe Radar is in the mix as well, but we’ve got a bottom half of the forward ranks that are all suited for their roles but can’t/aren’t used in those roles due to depth.
Basically, I see goalie and something serious to address organization depth as far as scoring wingers and top 4 defensemen being serious needs that won’t be addressed via ‘luck’ with injuries or the young guys already in the line-up. They are not a season or two from contending. This was year two of the rebuild. I figure we’re 3-4 years out from legitimacy again. Last season was a speed-bump that may have done more harm than good because it overvalued guys who have no business in the roles they currently hold.
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by Mike @ MHH on Apr 11, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
3-4 years is about right. I think the Avs can be a playoff bubble team prior to that, but won’t be competing for the cup.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Rec’d for how dead on you are.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
the thing is that while we do have glaring holes — goaltending, scoring wingers, and 2-4ish defensemen — those holes are MUCH easier to fill than the holes we had going into this year: top flight defensemen and big defensemen. top flight guys are incredibly hard to find, and we didn’t have anything even coming up in the system in either respect.
in the short term, this team is going to suffer a bit while they work to fill the holes created. But you know what? The ultimate ceiling of the this newly created core is higher than before. Now, there’s a young #1 defenseman too, and the whole defense is properly sized.
Between Hishon, Morf, UFA, and this year’s picks, the scoring winger issue should be fine. A 2-4 defenseman should be coming out of our deep prospect pool/draft this year as well (Larsson pleeeaaaasssseeeee gooooooddddddd) and goalies are honestly not difficult to find in UFA or in trade.
I’m optimistic. I agree we’re a few years out, but I honestly feel better about the team’s chances of winning a cup in the near future than I did at the start of the year, when it was all tiny offensive defensemen in our future.
The only misgivings I have are the commitment of ownership to spend on the Avs and the strange aristocracy within the front office/coaching ranks. if they spend and get a good coach in here, this team will succeed.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
I agree with all of this, besides not knowing who Morf is and not being so sure that a coaching change will make too much difference. This season wasn’t nearly as bad as 08-09 (wait, wrong thread, but it still fits).
Finally, I wanna thank God, because God gave me this Dundie. And I feel God in this Chili's tonight.
by Dan Winkler on Apr 11, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Also agree. Also, there are a lot of 2-4ish defensmen on the UFA market
Jovanowski, Hannan, Pitkanene, Wisniewski, Brewer, Ehrhoff, White, Green are all guys who fit well in that role. Some of these guys might be too expensive (Like Jovo) but there’s no reason the Avs couldn’t/shouldn’t sign one of them.
Frankly that’s my litmus test on whether the Avs are serious about getting better this season. If they sign a defenseman (kind of dependent on whether they draft Larson or a forward). Even if they draft a forward, I’m not certain it’s worth buring up a season of an entry level contract (assuming it applies).
I don’t think the Avs have any excuse not to spend on a #2-4 defender. Bump O’Byrne down to a solid #5 and roll with Wilson/Hunwick as #6-7.
I’d say the same about wingers, but the forward market this summer is very thin I’d like Miettenin a lot though, but the Avs should just try and re-sign Flash.
By the way, the Avs only have 5 defenders under contract next season: EJ, Quincey, Liles, Holøs, and Guance.
Wilson, Hunwick, Cumiskey, Belle and O’Byrne are all RFAs
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
RFA guys in this league might as well be under contract. I don’t think there’s any chance RoB won’t be back and playing, same for Wilson. Belle is pure AHL fodder.
Hunwick and Cumiskey I have no feel on. I hope they let them both walk, I think they’re wastes of roster spots that could be Gaunce, Elliot, etc.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
All the RFA means, to me, is the clubs have the option of letting them walk. I agree, I think O’Byrne amd Wilson will be back, and Belle will be in the AHL.
Also agree I have no idea about Hunwick and Cumiskey. If I had to guess, Hunwick comes back and Cumiskey is cut loose.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Cumiskey is concussion prone at this point. Personally, I don’t think his caliber of play (what I saw of him this season) justifies taking the risk that he could play 5 games and be done forever next year.
M and F on the other hand are much more important to the team, especially due to their chemistry with Duchene. I would say that resigning them IS worth the risk.
My 2 cents on the matter at least.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
I think we need more than a goalie. I think we are still a defenseman and a few top forwards, specifically wings, short
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Forsberg O’Reilly+Stastny+Fleishmann+Mueller+Terminator body chassis -Terminator feet and spleen => all combined into a hockey machine
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Nah, Dupuis said in an interview that the guys loved it. He even mentioned that the first time it happened, he nearly started to cry. And he wasn’t being the least bit sarcastic. It was sweet. =)
"My name is still Cameron Awesome, and I still play defense, yo! (Though, admitedly, I really do need to learn how to fight.)"
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Very, very sweet.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 11, 2011 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions
He really was great back in the day. My family had to leave Denver for LA just weeks after the Avalanche arrived. So all we got to see was the playoffs in 1996. I was 9 and I’d stay up into the night with my dad to watch every Avalanche game available in LA.
The way Foote played that year really stuck with me. I even noticed how Foote’s brutal defensive style had smaller opposing forwards actually unwilling to regularly drive to the crease when Foote was playing. It was so great to see him ignore the NHL’s crappy rules and just get after it for a final shift.
I don’t think any younger guys will EVER play the way he did becasue the rules now forbid the brutal and dedicated defensive play Foote excelled at.
His attitude toward opponents bullying teammates or the Avalanche (or Blue Jacket, uuuugggh) goalie was really impressive.
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they were dainty yes…. but everyone was hitting too! and hard, Koci, Wilson, Yip, Porter, Olver, Duchene once and a few others all wanted to knock guys around tonight. There was one where Koci went to make a hit and got flattened, but other than that we def won teh physical game
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I was there too. Observations:
The place was indeed packed. The first video of Footer they played got the crowd into a standing ovation that delayed the game for 3 minutes or so. Footer looked ready to cry. Dupuis in his 1st intermission interview said he nearly teared up. It was gut wrenching.
The second period was god awful. If we weren’t playing Edmonton, we would’ve likely lost. But we were! So playing hard for 5 minutes out of 85 worked really well!
McClement had a really good game. Solid play, few mistakes.
Footer’s last shift was epic. Vintage Foote. My voice went horse at that moment.
Wilson couldn’t hold a puck in the offensive zone to save his life.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Two other things I notice:
-INCREDIBLE for Footer to get to start the game with his kids on the ice, what a special moment for the guy
-Our powerplay and offensive zone cycling were MILES better than its been of late, the only thing that killed us was pucks bouncing past the pointmen, something easily corrected with healthy liles, johnson etc
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Wilson was to blame for 90% of the pucks bouncing past the blue line.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Porter 65%
Wilson 30%
Everyone else 5%
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes!
Porter had 4 miscues on ONE shift of the PP against Dallas the other night! Why is/was he ever on the point?
They say the Avs look like smurfs when they wear these jerseys... I just don't see it.
by Guitarpick8120 on Apr 10, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Because Johnson/Liles/Mueller/Shattenkirk are either injured or no longer with the team.
Avs win. When?
Even so, Holos is better on the point (and he’s no good) than Porter. Turrible. Jus’ turrible.
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Great way for Foote to go out. Wasn’t sure hoe much he was going to play and yet took 22 shifts and 15:21. Only Stoa has less TOI.
Also loved his last shift. That shift was vintage Adam Foote through most of his career (before the NHL changed the rules).
- Is Duchene officially now the youngest player to lead the Avs in scoring?
- Any one else catch a player cursing shortly before Hejduk’s tying goal? I heard it during the game and it’s in the highlights. Porter takes a shot on net and right after it sounds like a player says “Ouch….fuck!” or something like that.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
That really was a great way for Footer to go out. The crowd was great. Footer had a monster shift. Avs won. And most of all KSE did a really good job with the videos and ceremonies. Can’t believe some of the shit they gave away for fan appreciation night too.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Is Duchene officially now the youngest player to lead the Avs in scoring?
And Nords.
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"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, probably tastes like chicken.
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 11, 2011 1:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Any one else catch a player cursing shortly before Hejduk’s tying goal? I heard it during the game and it’s in the highlights. Porter takes a shot on net and right after it sounds like a player says "Ouch….fuck!" or something like that.
Just saw it. The puck bounced off Jones, I think, so it may have been him.
Americanario makes Journey reference. Tempestuous Binary listens to Don't Stop Believing. Milan Hejduk scores goal. You know what must be done. DSB Record: 0-3-0
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The Number Zero, probably tastes like chicken.
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 11, 2011 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions
should have watched the NCAA championship game. As UMD was piling on after winning they had a camera real close and out came “we fucking did it” extremely loud and clear.
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That was a GREAT game!
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, that happens occasionally with the World Juniors too. Almost makes me chuckle. But, I don’t have kids watching it.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 11, 2011 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Also, that no-goal call was very much so a goal. Not enough video evidence to overturn it, but I should think everyone in the building knew it was a goal.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:40 PM MDT reply actions
There was enough evidence to overturn it
The NHL just doesn’t subscribe to the theory of “Critical Thinking” or “Object Permanence”
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 10, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions
The reviews they played at the game didn’t show the puck in the net, so much as the puck in a position it could only be in if it had been in the net. So yeah, “critical thinking” skills FTL.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions
The worst part is that NHL rules just say “conclusive evidence” and it’s interpreted as “has to see it over the line”. The evidence today was conclusive
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 10, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
there needs to be another small cam pointing down inside of the crossbar
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you know if the microchip idea even been figured out? A chip inside the puck and triangulating sensors built into the goal?
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i think it messes with balance or somethin? i’d rather just see more camera angles and a rule clarification
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I gotcha
Yes, though, decent camera angles will do 99% of the job.
The NHL needs to get it right for a 4*6 goal, and primarily just the 6 ft goal line even then. For the NHL to still be unable to make the right calls is inexcusable.
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I wasn’t sure why the referee instantly made an initial NO-GOAL call. If the referee had done his job, he would have been on top of the net much quicker, and he would have seen a puck in the net and made the right call to begin with.
I think the NHL’s standard for goal or no-goal calls is fine. The requirement for “conclusive evidence” prevents the introduction of questionable subjectivity that would come with introducing “critical thinking”. It is just luck of the draw that the call goes wrong against us.
My frustration was with the referee for being a lazy asshole and failing to be in position to make the right call on the initial play.
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It was obvious that puck was in the net. It doesn’t open stuff like that up to gray. If there’s gray, the call on the ice stands.
Critical thinking is something that is, or should be taught in 4th grade.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 10, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
but… but… the white between the puck and the line!
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Is there an angle where white was actually visible?
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no, because of his pad
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, then I think the no-goal call on replay was a good one.
But with where that play happened and how long the puck must have been in, the referee needed to pay some fucking attention and get it right the first time
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you can tell that its in, from all angles, but cant see the actual white space b/c of his pad, and thats how they determine it
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the no-goal call was the consistent call, but I think every time the puck has obviously been underneath the pads and they call no goal cause they couldn’t see it, even though it’s obviously over the line, has been a bad call.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
What sucks is the refs have made rulings of a goal when the puck is clearly in the goalie’s glove hand and his glove hand goes past the line. Not sure how this was any different, but apparently it was. Definitely a goal, though.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree. It’s not different. The NHL, where babies who develop and understanding of object permanence are smarter.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m glad the boys got to go out on a high note, this has been a tough season to stomach and I was really hoping they wouldn’t lose to the Oilers today.
I say with all due respect that I’m not and have never been an Adam Foote fan (I have never liked his style of play and was not a fan of his stick flinging or final shift today) but I’m glad that a deserving Av finally got a good send off. Neither Sakic nor Foppa got the same and that’s such a shame.
It’s going to be a looong summer (not that I won’t be busy, haha) but I’m hoping we’re in for an active offseason- and hey I get to be excited for draft day again! I’m definitely looking forward to the playoffs again (hopefully I don’t miss any good games while I’m in labor- the hospital better have Versus!) Go Chicago go! … Uggh rooting for Minnesota was gross. :/
by xskatebakerrx on Apr 10, 2011 8:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed. But they won. And Dallas didn’t.
Dallas hurt my EJ, so I don’t like them any more. So I was happy to see them miss the playoffs.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
So much this. Chicago gave Dallas their chance, and the stars couldn’t get past the Wild. Ha!
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
The Avs are super cheap
Do they even dust the Pepsi Center anymore? Way to dusty in there today
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 10, 2011 8:53 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We were at the game. Great Game. Great Atmosphere. Total fun. The crowd was fantastic. I look forward to the day when ALL the Avs games have this kind of energy, fun, excitement.
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Well, me three. Except I paid $35 for $120 tickets… Chances of that happening during a good season are nill.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 10, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m just glad the officiating wasn’t bad enough to trigger the “BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT” chant today. That’s happened a few times this year, and I got the sense that we were close again today.
I hate that chant when kids and families are around.
…and all Avs games WILL have that kind of crowd when the team either drops ticket prices to the level of a middling team or offers family packs for every single home game.
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Sad to see the Avs ending… But I can’t even express how excited I am about the FIrst Round Matchups… I mean, holy shit
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:28 PM MDT reply actions
Ill be watching a lot of playoff hockey this spring.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
Tamba – Pitt
Boston – Montreal
Vancouver – Chicago
San Jose – LA
should all be amazing series
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
i think it could go either way. Both teams are going to want to win more than they’ll want to fight
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions
The Pens and Islanders were in a series though ha ha that’d be a bloodbath
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Don’t sell Buffalo-Philly short, that’s a series with a lot of history behind it.
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True, i just worry that Philly will cruise through, i really think they’ll be back to form quick
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Same with LA-SJ. It would only be worse if it was LA-Anaheim. Those CA teams HATE each other.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Amen
Awesome matchups there.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Anybody interested in an MHH group of NHL.com’s playoffs challenge?
I make music. I don't think it's despicable, do you?
ya sure, id be down
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m in. Were you thinking of doing one entry for MHH? Consensus picks?
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah!
Consensus is for legislators!
Oh, wait….
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by Hopfenkopf on Apr 11, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
P.S.: I’m down. How does we does it?
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We need a password or just anybody can join the group. Gimme one.
I make music. I don't think it's despicable, do you?
fucktheredwingsindeed
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Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
I actually typed that in first, but I decided that it would be a breach of etiquette to go straight for the triple-dog-dare “indeed” right away.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
fuck the red wings "etiquette".... lol
if you set it up, you can’t finish it
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Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
I typically do a Jibblescribbits one… and am putting one together FWIW
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Honestly I never saw why Adam Foote was really valued until tonight. If thats how he used to play I absolutely understand why the Avalanche organization loved him. Absolutely destroyed a number of Oiler players in the corner. Wow. Great player. Best of luck to you Footer. ;D
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This! Thanks for showing us newbies the real Adam Foote tonight!
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That was just a smidge of what he used to be able to do. But yes, that is the kind of play the made Footer one of the greatest, if not the greatest Avs defenders.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Apr 10, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I would only rank Bourque above him, and that doesnt really count when he played here such a short time.
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions
The highlight real they showed at the Can was a pretty good summary of Footer’s play. Try it against Footer and you get his paw in your face and your ass on the ground.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I could really see Footer as part of our coaching staff someday, when they part ways with Lefevbre, he understood the game, and what it took to win as well as anyone, he was vocal and i wonder if we’ll see him on our bench again down the road
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:53 PM MDT reply actions
And, one would think, would demand some physicality out of the players.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions
A few really amazing comments on Footer
Avalanche center Matt Duchene, who has been living with Foote’s family for two years:
“He’s been a huge mentor. There’s probably a group of people I can count on one hand — maybe two at most — that have been influences on my career, and he’s one of them. He’s going to be a guy that when I’m hopefully still in Denver and sitting at that table in my retirement, he’s going to be a guy that’s going to be here. I’m thankful for what he’s brought to me. It’s amazing to be able to experience and be a part of a great career like that, having him as almost a family member, as an uncle figure. He’s been great for me.”
Avalanche right wing Milan Hejduk, who was Foote’s teammate when Colorado won the Stanley Cup in 2001:
“This press conference was emotional. It was definitely emotional for me, too. It’s hard to see a longtime teammate retiring, like Joe (Sakic) did a couple of years ago. You realize you’re not going to play hockey forever, you have to retire at some point. It’s part of life, leaving. That’s what it is.”
Former Avalanche captain Joe Sakic:
“We spent most of our careers together and he is a great guy and a great leader. He’d do anything for his teammates. He left it all on the ice. He gave it everything he had to the organization and to the city and to our country. I’m very proud to say I had the chance to play with him and it’s great to be here to see this.”
Hall of Fame goalie Patrick Roy: “
It was a privilege to have Adam Foote in front of me every game. He was not only a great roommate and a great friend, but he was most importantly an outstanding warrior, someone you can count on every night.”
Former Detroit Red Wings rival Brendan Shanahan:
“Congratulations to Adam for such a complete and successful career. I both loved and hated playing against him. I am reminded of our friendship on the ice every time my shoulder locks up or my nose makes that constant funny sound while I sleep. Thank you, Adam!”
there’s a few more but those are my favs. link
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by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 9:57 PM MDT reply actions
ill admit it..
i had tears at the end of the game when he did his final lap
"Everybody that plays in the NHL is a pretty good player. It doesn't matter if he's the backup goalie or not, he showed that and proved he belonged."
- Ian Laperriere
same, hard to see another of my childhood heroes skate to greener pastures. Milan is all thats left really
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, off topic
But you guys should stick around MMH for the next week at least.
I have lots and lots of pent up frustration at the Tank, so I plan to do a fanpost on how best to destroy it. I have my ideas ready to go, but its going to take me a while to ’crop them.
It will be worth seeing. Just thought I’d give you guys the heads up.
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yay!
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 11, 2011 5:29 AM MDT up reply actions
MHH is still pretty active during the off season. I know I will be. I can count on one hand the people I know in Japan that like hockey. Only one of them is an Avs fan. So I gotta come somewhere (giggity) to talk hockey and other nonsense over the summer. Plus I don’t play golf.
Avs win. When?
I’m gonna play a shitload of golf this summer but I’ll still be here
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Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
by patrit19 on Apr 11, 2011 6:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I still show up to work at 7:00 AM in the off season too. MHH is my wake-up routine.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions
So I guess you’d still read Cupcakes?
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 11, 2011 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions
You can READ the cupcakes? I might have to try that….
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
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by Americanario on Apr 11, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Only one of them is an Avs fan.
Are you & chop chop posted anywhere near one another?
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Negative. Well not that I know of. Never talked to Chop Chop. Zucks and I are at the same base.
October. When?
He’s a squid, so he’s not on the same base, but have Sandie facepage him and put you two in touch. Maybe you can all dodge SP/MP together.
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He’s a good guy :)
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 11, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
If it involves a photoshop of the tank and a lottery of some sort.. I’m all for it.
But you guys should stick around MMH for the next week at least.
I think we all come here during the offseason.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
According to Dater Hejduk said he wants to play again and he is 100% confident it will be as an Av
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 10:43 PM MDT reply actions
yaaaayyyyyy! huge weight off my chest to know he’s coming back again, and I’d say he’s the odds on favorite for the captaincy now.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
really? I still think they’ll go young over Hejduk. He’ll keep the A
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s what I thought about Foote, and he still got the C
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
by patrit19 on Apr 11, 2011 6:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent news. I wouldn’t hate Milan getting the C. Give some of the younger guys (Duchene, Stastny, EJ) a year or two more to compete for the C.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. Give Duke the C and let SoS, Radar, Hot Pocket and Johnson show us why they should be the team’s 4th ever captain.
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the right name is missing from your list.
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Given Hedjie taking the C for a year or two, my bet is definitely on Duchene to be next in line. I do think it’s better if he’s allowed another couple years before taking it on though.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
How is it that we supposedly have so many leaders-in-waiting, and you probably couldn’t have asked for a better captain than Adam Foote (on paper anyway), but many people think our leadership sucked this year?
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by Dan Winkler on Apr 11, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think it was leadership that sucked, it was the players.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I sensed a leadership void during the Tank. No one seemed to vocally step up and say “this has to stop” then go play like it out on the ice for more than a couple nights in a row (except for maybe EJ once, but he’s only been here for what, 20 games?)
The coaches had a BIG part in the Tank, but I think that our on-ice leadership was questionable as well.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Again I ask, what makes you think that no one stepped up vocally? None of us were in the locker room. We have no idea what was said there. Additionally, a number of players DID call out the team in interviews: we weren’t good enough, we should be ashamed of ourselves, if we don’t put in the effort, we won’t win and we haven’t been putting in the effort. I think you’re underestimating the players and what happened behind closed doors to which you’re not privy.
"My name is still Cameron Awesome, and I still play defense, yo! (Though, admitedly, I really do need to learn how to fight.)"
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
There was plenty of talk, but they didn’t turn around and back it up with their play. I define leadership on the ice as taking the team on their back, skating with passion and a desire to win for a full 60 minutes, and making things happen night after night no matter how bad the team is doing, then inspiring your teammates to do the same. I saw glimmers of it from almost all of the players, but it seemed like everyone would have a good game or two, then disappear for a week or more. I don’t know – that unsettled me.
And I’m not saying its all the guys’ fault. Stepping up like that is the job of the veteran players, and we have hardly any. It’s pretty unrealistic to ask a 26-year-old (let alone a 20-year-old) to behave like a 36-year-old in those type of situations, no matter how amazing they are.
I think the leadership will get better with time – the building blocks are definitely there – but I don’t think it was very good for the second half of the season. If it were, we wouldn’t have lost quite as many games.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
andidee, if it was that easy to do, just skate out and “make things happen night after night” there would never have been a tank in the first place. “Stepping up” is a cliche of epic proportions in pro sports. If it really was something you could turn “on” with any consistency, do you honestly think the players wouldn’t turn it on and then break the fucking handle off?
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I won’t be completely happy until he’s under contract for next season. Just because he’s confident doesn’t mean management is.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on Apr 11, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I recall reading/hearing the management say it was up to Duke. No way they don’t re-sign him.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I can’t think of a reason why Sherman wouldn’t want to re-sign him
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
by patrit19 on Apr 11, 2011 12:28 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, after Stastny’s season, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them give it to Duke until he retires. Give the youngins a chance to marinate before making that final decision.
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by Cheryl Bradley on Apr 11, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand the reasoning behind everyone championing Duke for Captain and I have no doubt that he’d be a good captain, but I for one hope that they don’t. It’s another desperate clinging to the past type move. Give it to the next generation. Liles or SoS or Silent Jay. Take a step forward in SOMETHING. I think Hejduk would be a step sideways at best.
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I’m on the EJ for captain bandwagon. Think he’s a better leader type than Duchene or Stastny.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 11, 2011 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I love all of them, but there was a definite leadership void during the Tank. None of them stepped up (except for maybe EJ, but he’s not been here long at all). Maybe a side-step with Hejduk is the best option we have.
But then again, maybe if you give one of the young guns the C, they’ll rise to the occasion. Again, I can see any of them being capable of this. Dutch, Stazz, Radar, EJ, and Liles are all amazing long-term candidates, and Silent Jay may be one as well (but like EJ, he’s probably not been here long enough).
I don’t think we can go wrong with any of them. No matter who the organization choses, I’m sure we’ll be in good hands for the next decade.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Being here long enough is no longer a valid reason for not awarding the captaincy. Teams have been handing out C’s to recent FA acquisitions pretty frequently in the last couple of years. Besides, what’s the criteria to determine if somebody has been here long enough? Two concussions?
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Has anyone found video of Footer’s last shift? The Reddox harassment?
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 11:56 PM MDT reply actions
Teemu Hartikainen i meant
Last place. When.
by Cole D Hamilton on Apr 10, 2011 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions
When I search for it all I get are butthurt comments. Guess they didnt see Olver getting assraped against the boards ten minutes earlier.
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Yeah, Olver was practically molded into the ass there for a bit. It looked like a 6-yr old getting picked on by a grizzly.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 11, 2011 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LybBZksdCg
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by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 11, 2011 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions
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