Daily Cupcakes: April 6th, 2011
by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 6, 2011 6:00 AM MDT
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Here is a recap of last night's contest.
The clubs combined for 26 penalties for 132 penalty minutes.
For those who haven't seen the update on Kurt Sauer, it's not looking too good.
His family wants him back in hockey. Before every dinner, Kruz prays that Sauer will play for the Coyotes again and that he will become a better hockey player.
"They know that's where he should be," Carmen said. "They know he shouldn't be in pain, laying in bed in the morning or have to take a nap or say sorry because I can't play floor hockey with you right now, because I'm not feeling good."
Ottawa is mighty interested in who the Oilers and Avalanche want to pick in the draft.
Edmonton has already assured itself of last place and will likely pick first overall. They’ll have to choose between a slick centre in Ryan-Nugent Hopkins and a top-flight defenceman in Adam Larsson of Sweden. The Colorado Avalanche, if they were second, would likely take whomever Edmonton doesn’t take, but there’s a chance they could go with centre Gabriel Landeskog of the Kitchener Rangers.
A Colorado prospect, Brad Malone is doing well. He has family that played for the Nords too.
Miramichi's Brad Malone and the University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux are two wins away from winning the NCAA men's hockey championship.
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Landeskog isn’t a center
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
by patrit19 on Apr 6, 2011 6:26 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
it’s okay. Edmonton also hasn’t locked up last place yet, despite what the article says.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 6, 2011 6:54 AM MDT up reply actions
If they keep beating Vancouver who knows. If they take RNH, I am interested to know who the Avs choose between Larsson and Landeskog.
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tough call
If both players are looked to be about the same in ability, the Avs go with Landeskog as they are incredibly weak at FORWARD (not just wing) in the system. How much has the Avs scouting department watched Larsson? With him going to the finals and Landeskog’s team getting upset in the first round… he may get the bump over Landeskog.
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Larsson is a superior prospect.
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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Apr 6, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions
So the Avs should take him?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I don’t know who is the better prospect, but if Larsson is superior he should be their choice
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 6, 2011 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Who does Larsson compare to best? I have read about him but I can’t tell if he would be another Johnson or another Eliott/Barrie.
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none of the above?
he hasn’t been let loose too often by his team so his offensive game hasn’t been put on display all too much. He’s already better defensively than those three. He gets compared to Hedman a lot. He won’t have the physical abilities that someone of Hedman’s size will have but he should be at least slightly more aggressive and already is better defensively. Top pairing D.
saying that he is superior to Landeskog is incorrect. He is the better prospect due to his rare unique package. Landeskog is still a stud prospect but at a position most teams don’t build around. For you stat nuts… Rick Nash’s draft year: 32g 72p in 54 games. Landeskog’s: 36g 66p in 53 games.
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But Nash is a defenseman… or am I missing something here
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Rick Nash a D?
I was just using Nash as reference due to a few MHHs having a crush on him and what he brings.
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I admit to being a Nash lover.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
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by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 6, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Can you really say he’s better defensively than Elliot? I mean, the kids a plus-62 on the year. Granted, Larsson is playing against men. It just seems like Elliot doesn’t get enough credit for his defensive skills.
Barrie is good defensively as well. maybe not quite as much scoring compared to elliot, but good both ways
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
It’s not that Elliott sucks at D, he has just been asked to play both ways while Larsson plays against men and has been asked to focus on D. Larsson is more refined defensively. Some of the things Elliott does (offensively) may not translate completely to the NHL and he still will have to adjust to the large jump from juniors to professional hockey.
Languishing for Landeskog
have you seen him play or are you just regurgitating what others have said?
Languishing for Landeskog
LARSSON
As much as I pray for the Avs to find the second coming of Cam Neely and to keep him for about 17 years, a top pairing Dman who really can play 2 ways, especially if paired with Johnson, well, that’s the sort of thing you build dynasties on kids.
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I’m sorry, my eyes dilated so much I couldn’t read past “second coming of Cam Neely”.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh I am not saying he is bad or anything but to say he is superior to Landeskog is a little crazy. I understand what Larsson brings and would see most team’s picking him over Landeskog. A D of EJ, Larsson, Elliott, Quincey, Liles, O’Byrne, Barrie, etc would be very very good when firing on all cylinders. So would a D with Duncan S if the Avs get the StL pick this year.
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Remember boys and girls, the Avalanche don’t draft for need, they draft BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. That way they can trade him to the Blues three years later to fill the need they have now.
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And to create new needs that they won’t be able to fill. I think I’m starting to see the “master plan.” To move them to KC.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I’ve seen him a few times, he plays left wing
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
by patrit19 on Apr 6, 2011 12:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
FACT:
One December 9, 2009, forward Justin Mercier of the Colorado Avalanche made his NHL debut in a 1-0 loss against the Minnesota Wild at Pepsi Center. He wore No. 43.
Needs more Mercier
less Stoa and Yip
he may not bring the scoring “potential” of those two but he brings speed, tenacity, and hard work that would benefit the Avs. Don’t let his AHL numbers fool you… he plays bottom 6 and PK so he’s not looked to be a scorer.
Languishing for Landeskog
Does this mean you’ve soured on Stoa? I was thinking you were the last holdout, but there may be some others.
He just doesn’t seem to be making the most of this opportunity, and with as many Avs as are out injured this year, I don’t see him getting another chance after this season when the Avs have more options.
The truck have started to move.
I still feel he is a good prospect but has soured with the Avs. Needs a new team.
Languishing for Landeskog
Yeah, if he spends much more time here he’ll get a leaguewide reputation as a bust.
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I agree it’s time to unload Stoa. However, I was pleasantly surprised by his grit along the boards last night and dickishness during the rough stuff. We’d rather have his ass parked in front of the net at all times, but he was working pretty hard. Hopefully that continues and he can show some bottom 6 qualities, as it’s getting late for any other team to believe he has true top 6 potential.
I would dump him now for a 4th (if we could get it), but of course he’s an RFA, so we’re lucky to get anything.
Yip, on the other hand, could net us a 3rd or 4th IMO, though I expect management leniently hangs on and hopes for a bounce-back year.
by Pacifier Night on Apr 6, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
If Stoa is moved it will be for another player or a 2nd or high 3rd this year. No way he is dumped for a 4th. I could also see him in a package deal.
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Like a Stoa, Galiardi, Barrie and St. Louis’ 1st for Bernier?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I imagine it will take overpaying to get Bernier or Quick. I just wonder if that St. Louis pick will be in play.
It’s really sort of an interesting gamble. If the Avs are willing to bet St. Louis is on the upswing they sell high and do it now; if they think St. Louis won’t be good next year they keep it. It will show how the Avs brass estimates another team as a whole, which is cool.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I would take a 2nd in a heartbeat. It is true that its a weaker draft this year. I wouldn’t be surprised by a one-for-one for another player, either.
If StL wins out and we get their first, StL takes our second rounder, so flip Stoa, get a second back, plus two firsters. No complaints if that were to happen.
by Pacifier Night on Apr 6, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
there are some dumb GMs in this league, but I can’t imagine any of them up a 2nd or 3rd for Stoa or ANY pick for Brandon Yip
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
a toothpick for Yip.
I have always pulled for Yip a bit, but after watching Olver last night, I think Olver is skilled and Yip’s production was a consequence of a high scoring team last year.
I am really liking Olver right now.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
While I like Olver more than Yip (and Stoa, for that matter), I’m not really sold on him
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 6, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Sold on him for what? He’s definitely played well, but if the question is does he belong on Duchene’s wing long-term? Then no, probably not.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Yips production was the result of a statistical anomaly. He literally got every bounce to go his way (17% shooting percentage).
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Little known fact
Yip is Cantonese for “lucky bounce”
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Or “last decent NHL contract.”
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
If Stoa is moved it will be for another player or a 2nd or high 3rd this year.
Good luck with that
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
This
Poor Lappy.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on Apr 6, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
In other news, Andy continues to drive the Ottawa speed tank in the wrong direction and away from the Avs. Looks like number 2 is a lock. He only beat a team fighting for one of the top seeds in the eastern conference last night, Philly, 5-2. That combined with Shatty’s play makes me think that, unless EJ does turn into the franchise defenseman (and I"m talking one of the top 5 in the league-ish), Sherm was fleeced twice before the trade deadline.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
It’s not fair to judge the fleecing for a few years. EJ needs to be given time to develop and lead the team and if one of the prospect can replace Shatty that needs to occur.
I think Sherman might have been able to get more for Andy, but we have no idea if teams offered anything better. A lot of GM’s who wanted a goalie may have offered low prospects and Sherman wanted something. Even if that something is effectively nothing.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I just can’t believe that a team like Philly or Washington wouldn’t have taken a chance on Andy and given up something in return for him. Neither of those teams has a playoff proven goaltender, and Andy did show that he is capable of absolutely stealing a playoff game last year. The Anderson-Elliott trade looks like nothing more than a move of pure panic and weakness to me. With a hint of organizational stubborness. Just awful.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Either, Sherman is the worst GM ever who could not get anything back or teams did not want to risk it.
We can assume Andy could have brought in more, but from what I have seen Sherman pull I have to believe the counter-offers were just not that good.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
If we weren’t dry humping the cap floor and if Sherm had shown some sort of pulse during the offseason, then I’d be inclined to agree with you. However, I have little confidence at this point in his ability to address obvious holes in our roster. He is an accountant, after all.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Though he had no pulse during the off season, he showed that he wants to address issues during the season. He went and got O’Byrne, Flash, and Johnson. Johnson being a top 5 defenseman.
He showed that he can wheel deals during the season and you will see action this off season.
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yep. buyout action
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 6, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
They may need to do some creative scrambling to reach the salary floor.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
WSH doesn’t play ball for Andy. Varly did just as well or better than Andy last year in the playoffs, Neuvy’s been playing well and push comes to shove, Holtby is in the wings.
PHI is up so hard against the cap that they’d have to trade a roster player with equivalent salary for Andy. Who is that?
Sherm’s been pretty damned cheap in the last 18 mos. No denying that. I just don’t buy that it’s his doing (Enos doesn’t / didn’t want to spend). If that presumption is made, I think Dwight’s done admirably under the circumstances.
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by Hopfenkopf on Apr 6, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do agree here though. You think Philly would have given up Bobrovsy for Anderson and a pick? I don’t know how good Bobrovsky is, but he’s got more potential than Elliott.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
No way they would have given up Bob for Andy of this year. Bob is their starter for the playoffs and going with a struggling Andy would have been risky with only Boucher on the bench. Now having seen the return of Andy of last year, a few teams would have made an offer.
Languishing for Landeskog
Around the time Andy was dealt? Are you kidding, Bobrovsky was struggling mightily.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 7, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions
A 4th for Vokoun?
that’s the only rumored goalie activity at the deadline and we know how that turned out. So u want a 6th for Andy?
Languishing for Landeskog
Even if it was a 4th, I would take Elliott, give him a 20 game or so chance to see if he can rebound, and if not you lost nothing and you can address it in the off season.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
That rumor was insane. My point is that getting nothing for Andy shouldn’t have been an option. But it is what they did.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate to make this argument Bob, I do, but do we have any proof, other than what we deem our logic and reasoning, that Sherman could have gotten better for Andy?
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by c6hor8 on Apr 6, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course not. I only know that they absolutely did not get fair value in return. Hell, let’s not just look at what the two of them have done since the trade, which is an abysmally one-sided comparison of epic proportions, but let’s look at their career stats:
Anderson: 97-88-2-36 (he had two ties back in the day), 2.79 GAA, .913 save percentage
Elliott: 61-52-25, 2.89 GAA, .901 save percentage
The save percentage difference is huge. Neither player has played behind good teams for the most part, but Anderson has been able to keep bad teams in games. Elliott is nothing. Sherman traded from a position of weakness and retrieved nothing. Great.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think Elliott is a good goalie at all. But is he better than a 5th or 6th round pick? Maybe, who the hell knows at that level. That may be all people offered for Andy. Why did they offer so little? I have no idea, but that’s what it was. In Sherman’s situation with Andy there is no way to sell high. Either lose him in the off season or trade from a position of weakness. Andy’s rejection of the contract and his play put the Avs in that situation.
I do believe that Sherman could have packaged Andy with a player for something better, but its possible teams rejected that as well. Even accountants aren’t morons so it’s not like he was demanding a 1st or nothing.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Given our current team’s record, what real evidence do we have that Sherm is not a moron?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I do not blame Sherman for the injuries nor do I blame him for being at the whim of Enos (who i still think will want to spend money in July).
Stewart will be good, Shatty will be good, but I think Johnson is the best player in the trade. I think the way Sherman is shaping the team around Duchene, Stastny, Johnson, Radar, Jones, etc. is a fantastic plan. I think he’s doing a good job right now with what he is building.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I blame Sherman for not stocking this team with enough talent to overcome injuries, when the Avs have been top-10 in Man games lost every year since the lockout
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
A GM should not be judged over a 2-3 month period. Nobody was calling for his head prior to February. It’s all pretty subjective in the short term.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
But a coach should be?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
No, hence why I never called for Sacco’s head.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
The only time I did was when we still had the chance of making playoffs. A switch might have given the Avs the kick in the butt they needed to ditch the Tank and make it happen (like what happened with Bylsma in Pittsburgh). I never said Sacco was a BAD coach, I only said that he was inexperienced and was failing to motivate the team, and that there were possibly better options out there. Even now, I stand by that assessment. Long term decision about a coach can’t be made short term, but sometimes a switch is unfortunately necessary to get a team out of a funk and back on track.
But since the time for playoffs has passed and Sacco is still here, he deserves another shot with a healthier team. If he shows that he learned from this shitshow season and does better next year, I have no problem with him sticking around for a while.
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
I didn’t think you were a coacher. I’m not calling for Sherm’s head yet either. I know he’s been strapped by Enos’ unwillingness to spend money on one of his auxiliary tenants. But again, when you do have an asset, I just don’t understand the rationale behind giving it away for nothing.
If Andy’s downfall did indeed start over the summer when he rejected a 2-year contract offer, the Avs at the very least f-ed up when they didn’t trade him when his value was still high. Or sign him to a longer term deal, god forbid, rewarding him for what he did for us last year, where he was clearly our MVP.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Those are good questions, but they don’t have answers. Sometimes you can do the right thing and still get the wrong result.
It’s hard to say what offers were available for Andy at any point in the year. Maybe Andy performs well again and his trade value goes through the roof. In that case we sing praises as Sherm re-signs Andy on his term or trades him for a talented young player. With the information available at the time, its hard to say Sherm did the wrong thing over the summer.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Coacher?
You actually have a name for people who dissent from your opinion that Sacco is a great coach?
I must be a “coacher” then, because I think Sacco is not up to the job and his stats prove it.
In most pro sports, a coach is sacked for a lot less than Sacco has achieved. I agree with giving a coach leeway if he has earned that trust first.
I suspect a lot of people who are sticking up for Sacco seem to forget how poorly the Avs played after the Olympic break last year. Yes, the Avs scraped into the playoffs, but only just and only because of their stellar play before the break allowed them to coast home. Andy was the only thing preventing them being swept.
Farewell Peter.
No offense intended Nemesis. I was just being not funny. Again.
I don’t know that Sacco is a great coach. I just think he has had success with little to work with and it is way too early to put this disaster on him.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 7, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Sherman has made a lot out of a crappy situation. His trades have been pretty decent, especially when you consider how little capital he has to work with.
My beef is with Enos, but I’m not to the point of no forgiveness yet. Kroenke Sr. probably knew last summer that he would have to sell the team, so its (somewhat) understandable why they didn’t spend much last UFA season. If the ownerships shows they are willing to spend this summer on the pieces this team needs (goalie, winger or two, top D-man), all will be forgiven. If they don’t, well, then I guess we have our answer on who is really to blame for the Avs fall from grace.
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
Vokoun
Will not sign with us. He can get $ in Florida. He wants a chance to win. We’ve been bottom-3 for 2 of the last three years. Unless we throw Lauren Gardner as a personal concubine into his deal he will not sign with us. And I think that violates some sort of law.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Unless we throw Lauren Gardner as a personal concubine
He plays in Miami man.. that kind of thing is so prevalent it’s nearly legal down there.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point
Then yeah.. the Avs have nothing to offer Vokoun.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
You can’t judge the EJ-Shatty-Stewie deal until finding out how good Elliott and Barrie become. I don’t think Sherman pulls the trigger on that deal without those two guys in the system having phenominal years.
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s also a question of how quickly they develop. If one or both can jump in and play a solid role in another couple seasons, that would be keen.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
I don’t think it’s fair at all to judge this trade. Both GMs made this trade for the long term, not the short term. Neither were doing this to try and make the playoffs this season.
There’s no sense judging it until 2012-2013 at the earliest.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Yet people will keep saying the Avs lost the trade.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
People will continue to say the Avs lost the trade because of the point production of Stewie and Shatty. I prefer to wait until December to judge this, because I have a feeling that over the summer, Stewie will cool somewhat and so will Shatty, and we know (as much as we love him) that Stewie can be a little invisible at times.
Farewell Peter.
Is it possible that Andy had somehow become so toxic that they figured it didn’t really matter what they got as long as he was gone?
That's no moon...
Based on his comments after he was traded and his “don’t give a damn” caliber play in the months before, I wouldn’t doubt that. He needed to go, we needed a goalie to hold us over until summer, and Elliott was the only/best option.
I just hope Elliott is nothing more than a stopgap measure or future backup. I’d really hate to see Tank Tandem in net all next year.
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
I’m thinking Elliot was a stop gap with a small % shot at being something more (in the long-run). The Avs gave him a chance before they pick up a #1 in the off season.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 6, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you and hope we are right.
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
Is it just me or are we seeing more of Budaj in net than Elliot lately? I like Budaj and would be ok with him as back-up for another year, but think he might be best suited as a goalie coach. (Perhaps why they haven’t got one yet? Waiting for Budaj?) I don’t much care if Elliot is traded or sent down so long as he’s not wearing an A. Having him as the starter next year would make this year look like, u, anything that isn’t a complete train wreck.
That's no moon...
The Avs don’t have a full-time goalie coach because they are cheap.
Budaj should not be back, nor should Elliott. Both are back-ups (and again, I don’t care about the “nice guy” Budaj stuff tossed around on here, he is not good. Elliott isn’t even Budaj “good.”
But again, I have a feeling they will both be back, just that “build from within crap” rearing it’s ugly head again/
And why does everyone assume Budaj will just retire and become a coach? It’s not like he is old. He could make some money in an over-seas league (ala Aebischer), and be just fine for 5-6 more years
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
And why does everyone assume Budaj will just retire and become a coach? It’s not like he is old. He could make some money in an over-seas league (ala Aebischer), and be just fine for 5-6 more years
Boods married an all-American local girl and they have a very young baby. Garth Snow notwithstanding, Boods doesn’t play in the NHL next year. This fact narrows his options to the AHL, making similar money (with less travel) as a goalie coach for the Avs, or uprooting his young family and moving to somewhere in Europe where his wife doesn’t speak the language and is far from her family. These facts make the Boods as a goalie coach scenario much more plausible than otherwise.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
I don’t think he’ll retire. I think he’ll eventually become a goalie coach
FWIW i think he’ll be picked up by a team and shuttle back and forth from the AHL and NHL for a few more seasons.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 6, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know – all he’s ever known is the Avalanche franchisee if I’m not mistaken. My take on Budaj is he has the smarts, but is short of – for lack of a better word – talent. I think he’d make a natural coach. The arguments for it are that the Avs need one and here’s one that’s a known guy – a franchisee guy even. Budaj meanwhile might prefer taking a job of this nature and sticking with the only franchisee he’s ever know and the familiarity and stability that come with that vs. the possibility of bouncing around the AHL.
That's no moon...
I’m thinking Elliott was a huge acquisition for the team and will play a major role in years to come.
An inevitable consequence of complex chemistry.
I hate you.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I flagged this.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
by c6hor8 on Apr 6, 2011 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I flagged you for starting the flag thing again.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Guess what?
Jones is “doubtful” for the game tomorrow. So that means of the top 6 forwards on this team (Dutch, Stazz, Duke, Jonesy, Flash and Mueller), only 2 of them are healthy for tomorrow.
Isn’t this season just delightful?
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
Hunwick is doubtful as well, but that’s less of a loss.
Shawn Belle and Ray Macias have been recalled. Macias is the 17th defenseman to play this season.
Jumpin' on the Johnson bandwagon.
Good Goalie. THIS SUMMER. Make it Happen, Sherman!
F*** the red wings. F*** the red wings, indeed.
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe we can get it all out of our system now and next year will be better.
An inevitable consequence of complex chemistry.
I was talking to a Canucks fan today, and he thought that the Canucks had more injury problems than the Avs. It made my day. I don’t know why it was so funny, it just was
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
by patrit19 on Apr 6, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ha ha ha. Don’t get your hopes up Annie.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on Apr 6, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Real all of this and instantly thought of the Monty Python “Bring out yer dead” scene…
That's no moon...
He's been playing next to Whistler; not a bad combination. More juggling, now.
Americanario makes Journey reference. Tempestuous Binary listens to Don't Stop Believing. Milan Hejduk scores goal. You know what must be done.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, probably tastes like chicken.
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 6, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I was looking at the standings just now, and I thought of something kind of interesting. As of right now Nashville would play Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs. That means that one of the two organizations playoff futility streak would come to an end.
I think this is great news.
First ,I admire Nashville for the game that they play (snore, but effective) and what Trotz has been able to do with that team year after year despite their notable lack of talent up front.
Second, (and here is where I might get flamed) I am a recovering Phoenix coyote fan. I lived in the Valley for a couple of winters and really liked the team when it was Tkachuk, Roenick, gartner, Khabibulin, etc.
Of course, they might be the Winnepeg Frozen Coyotes pretty soon, so what would it really matter? So, yeah. That’s how bored I am. How are you?
An inevitable consequence of complex chemistry.
They should become the Winnipeg wolves when they move. Like the coyotes, but they grew a pair.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 7, 2011 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Is there any reason that Corey Perry is not the hands-down Hart Trophy winner this year? 48 goals, 94 points? Wow. Who saw that output coming?
An inevitable consequence of complex chemistry.
The only reason that he isn’t the Hart winner is because all of the hockey cognoscenti go to bed before his team faces off.
Seriously, dude should win it running away.
He is still a douche of epic proportions, but a douche whose game is to be admired.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
Correy Perry is the kind of douche I wouldn’t mind on my own team.
by MalachiConstant on Apr 7, 2011 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions
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