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Time to move on

I have been struggling with this topic for a while now, but with Foote announcing his retirement on Friday, I figured I may as well jot some thoughts down to share you guys and gals.  

The Avs have been clinging to the past for years now, and I feel that, this upcoming year, they will finally be able to move on.  The Avalanche, from the time that they moved from Quebec to Denver, have been the city's most dependably awesome team.  They had a few ups and downs, and some significant problems stemming from the team's salary management and the implementation of the salary cap, but overall they were always solid.  Better than solid:  Great.

Over the past 4-5 seasons, as mismanagement and other issues affected team play, the shadow of the 8 year Avs dynasty would be constantly hovering over everyone's shoulder.  Management only reinforced this at every turn.  In a lot of respects, I have no problem with that; tradition and paying homage to the greats are important to the fanbase of a franchise.  However, in this instance, I feel like it has hampered the growth of the team significantly over the past few years.  

Star-divide

For me, this started in February 2008.  Forsberg wanted to try and play again, and who wouldn't want him?  The Avs, of course, signed him to a contract.  But the thing that really got to me was the trade of our first round pick for Adam Foote.  That pick ended up being the 19th overall;  not a stunning pick by any means, but some of the players still on the board were Del Zotto, Eberle, and Ennis, as well as a host of as-yet unproven, and probably mostly 'meh' guys just starting to break into the big leagues.  I love Footer, but he was already 36 at the time.  Trading away a #1 pick, the future of the team, for a guy that was only going to be with the team three years?  I was not a fan at the time. 

Was that the year that the Avs were making their final push for the cup?  Did they really think that they had a chance at it?  Stranger things had happened, I suppose, but I wasn't holding my breath.  The team sent away that first rounder for one last stab at the good ol' days, and it didn't pay off.  Oh well.  That would have been the perfect time to move on, right?  

Apparently, fate had other designs for the team.  The Sakic saga (see Fingers vs. Snowblower, Nov. 2008, and Disk vs. Herniation, Oct. 2008), dragged on, making a good bit of the Av's future uncertain.  Joe was the cornerstone of the franchise, and with his loss, the team floated a little.  Luckily, altho I have no recollection of hockey being played that year, we were able to draft a future cornerstone of the team:  Matt Duchene.  Joe Sakic's loss drastically altered the team landscape.  His ghost haunted  the locker room, cased in glass.  Even so, this would be a good time to move on, right?  Riiiight?  

Well, the team tried.  The Young Guns came out a-blazin', with Craig Anderson making save after incredible save.  Remember how pleased we were with the team?  Foote was still here; scary, if slow, Foote.  The kids were tearing it up.  Things were looking good.  We got into the playoffs, despite our kids "over-achieving", and hopes soared for '10-11.  

Offseason 2010:  The rebuild continues.  This time, the defense needed re-tooling.  However, the Avs signed Adam Foote to a 1 year extension.  I was not a fan of this move, either.  I know we had paid a high cost to get him back into the Burgundy and Blue, but he was just getting sooo slow.  I didn't think, at the time, that even his leadership abilities would be enough to outweigh his roster spot.  Once again, the Avs were clinging to the past.  I guess that they felt that they owed Foote a debt, and that, in the event he were to get hurt, the D prospects could slide into his place.  I understood that logic, but having him out there wasn't going to make the team much better.  

Good ol' Footer showed his age a lot in the early season.  He was at his absolute best on the PK; that was almost vintage Foote.  Didn't have to speed off somewhere, could get his elbows in in the corner, all of that good stuff.  But his injuries and overall play were letting the team down, especially since he was the Captain, and once again causing a lot of turmoil on the team.  

And Forsberg.  Oh, you tantalizing, wonderful, blue-eyed tease.  I remember SlamDunkTheFunk expressing a lot of concern over the disruption Peter the Great's return might cause on the team, but I sort of glossed over it.  Wasn't that about the time we started losing?  I mean, prolonged losing?  I don't want to shift the blame entirely in that direction, but I definitely believe that it played a big role.  Distractions, disruptions.  "Which way is the team going?"  'Oh man, we get to play with PETER FORSBERG!' The whole thing could not have been good for the team, especially with the abrupt retirement announcement at the end of it.  

All I get from this team has been confusion.  Coupled with humping the salary floor, this team has just lost its way.  The management longs for the glory days, and in doing so, will not fully commit to the rebuild.  

Well, guys, the time has come.  The last vestiges of the Old Guard are gone from the team.  Moves have been made to acquire key guys for the future, even while sending away some of our favorites.  Let's start to forget the past and get excited about the future.  I want Lacroix, Sherman, Billington, Enos Jr, and  the rest of the Avs management team to see this, grab the bull by the damn horns, and build on the foundation that they have.  Lets get this team back up and running, and start winning like Charlie 'effen Sheen.  

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Ha, the wonders of SBNation: My comment from Foote's signing over the summer:
This is exactly the type of deal that I was hoping Footer would get… One more year for him to play [or not, depending on his health/ ability], without spending much money on him and holding ourselves back.

This might mean that he will ride the bench for a bit to let the kids play, while still lending his leadership and experience to the locker room at large.

Ain’t hindsight grand?

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 8, 2011 1:02 AM MDT reply actions  

The future is here, and I think that management has done well getting pieces in place for the future. The key area of lack has been financial, but with a new CBA coming up perhaps they are being wise and patient with player development.

Two years ago the Avs surprised everyone by signing Craig Anderson, eliciting a collective “who?” But management saw a problem and went right out and tried to correct it, and in our secretive style nobody knew what we were up to until it was official. The EJ trade this year was the same, nobody knew until it happened. While we’re all chomping at the bit and castigating management for seemingly doing nothing, we have no clue what they are plotting and scheming for the draft and free-agency. So let’s speculate away, but remember the Avs brass have a way of operating that will frustrate and surprise us. And they are not entirely incompetent, the Hunwick trade notwithstanding.

/sermon

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by niwotsblessing on Apr 8, 2011 7:44 AM MDT reply actions  

the Hunwick trade notwithstanding.

Maybe they thought they were getting his brother to play goal. Did you see that kid last night? Amazing.

by Andy_ on Apr 8, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

If keeping Hunwick is enough to get his brother here, I’m all for it.

by stpn47 on Apr 8, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brian Elliott was an awesome college goalie too.

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 8, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hunwick would be by far the shortest goalie in the NHL

5’7"

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 8, 2011 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

you don’t want your goalie looking up at darren pang.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 8, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

But he’d still be bigger than the Spinal Tap Stonehenge A that comes down over the players as they come on to the ice.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 8, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t really being serious. The kid’s having a great run but he’s really small. NHL guys would tear him a new one.

by Andy_ on Apr 9, 2011 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

that first round pick for Foote turned into RJ Umberger for Columbus

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 8, 2011 8:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Yup. The pick itself was Luca Spisa; we have to see if he makes it to the Flyers full time.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 8, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

he was traded to Anaheim in the Pronger trade. He plays full time with Anaheim

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 8, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ah, that explains why I didnt see him anywhere with the Flyers organization. Also: damn, he’s that Spisa? Didn’t make that connection at all.

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 8, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

its also Sbisa not Spisa… easier to locate him that way

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 8, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I had this same thought late yesterday. Thanks for writing something so that I don’t have to…

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by Mike @ MHH on Apr 8, 2011 8:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Two specific thoughts
The Avs, of course, signed him to a contract. But the thing that really got to me was the trade of our first round pick for Adam Foote. That pick ended up being the 19th overall; not a stunning pick by any means, but some of the players still on the board were Del Zotto, Eberle, and Ennis,

Eberle? :(

I remember SlamDunkTheFunk expressing a lot of concern over the disruption Peter the Great’s return might cause on the team, but I sort of glossed over it. Wasn’t that about the time we started losing? I mean, prolonged losing?

That had already started hadn’t it?

I had a really similar thought to your overall sentiment on my way in to work this morning, so, +1. In with the new.

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by SteveHouse on Apr 8, 2011 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, we were already losing before that. The point that we started losing was right after Flash’s blood clots.

by stpn47 on Apr 8, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Peter the Great’s return might cause on the team, but I sort of glossed over it. Wasn’t that about the time we started losing?

Peter the Great returned the end of January (around the 24th). The Avs were already in a downward spiral. Before beating St. Louis on Jan 24th, the Avs had lost 6 of their previous 10 games (4-5-1), and had lost 10 games since their December 6 game winning streak (5-8-2). After beating the Blues the Avs went on to lose 10 straight including the two games Peter played (Feb 11 and 12), before beating the Blues on Feb 22nd.

Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.

Thanks for everything Foppa!

by Americanario on Apr 8, 2011 9:13 AM MDT reply actions  

I know I’ve complained about the rampant nostalgia in this organization before, but I don’t think we’ll be moving on at all. With Sakic, Billington and LaCroix jr. in the Ivory Tower and Deadmarsh in the replay booth and Konowalchuk and Lefebvre behind the bench, I’m surprised Sacco has a job considering he never played here. It’s like the Avs are a good ole’ boys network.

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by Dixomatic on Apr 8, 2011 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed, in a way. The Avs just never seem to think outside of that “box”

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on Apr 8, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

they won’t need to as their next coach is leading the LEM in Cleveland… that is if some other team doesn’t steal him away.

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on Apr 8, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

It must cost money to actually move on.

Even as the biggest Foppa lover on the planet, this last experience left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially the fiance by his side during his announcement thing and no Av brass speaking other than the director of public relations. It just had a really odd feel to it. And the subsequent on-ice collapse that night punctuated the overall effect it had on the team. I don’t blame Foppa at all, but it was like a final act of desperation by a franchise that currently can’t find its way. When it didn’t work, we were left with, well …. what we have now.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 8, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think you are missing the big factor or Roy, too. What if HE comes back to coach after Sacco’s tenure?

Thanks Joe... Thanks Peter....

by mfured20 on Apr 8, 2011 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

It could just be me, but maybe we should set our sights higher than Sheen. Maybe then we’ll land at Sheen, and won’t be disappointed. Who’s higher than Sheen though?

That is depressing that we could have had Eberle. Hopefully Foote taught our youngsters some valuable lessons, and it was worth it. I guess we’ll never know for sure.

by mcarson01 on Apr 8, 2011 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

So you’re not looking to bring back Mike Keane? He’s the only guy still playing right?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 8, 2011 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Keane retired from the AHL at the beginning of the season.

There are a few guys still playing in the KHL and Europe, but Footer’s the last Nordique in North America.

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by Hopfenkopf on Apr 8, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Chris Simon won the accuracy shooting in the KHL skills competition

“pure talent”

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Fuck the red wings indeed

by patrit19 on Apr 8, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

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