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ST. LOUIS, MO - APRIL 5: Alexander Steen #20 of the St. Louis Blues looks to keep Erik Johnson #6 of the Colorado Avalanche away from the puck at the Scottrade Center on April 5, 2011 in St. Louis, Missouri.  (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)


As many of you know, the Avalanche held a teleconference this morning with season ticket holders to discuss the plan for the 2011-2012 season. This was the first time the Avs have done something like this, and I have to say, it was pretty darn cool. Yes, there were a lot of typical, sound-bite answers, as expected, but there were tidbits and gems in there that were very telling on certain subjects. With the exception of brief intro and concluding statements, the forum was all about answering fan questions. Both Sherman and Sakic participated.

Before I get into bulleting some specifics, I want to give my overall impression of what "The Plan" is for next year: continue with the rebuild. If you are going to base your opinion on how committed the Kroenkes are to the team on free agent signings, be prepared to get angry. It seemed pretty clear to me that there is a solid timeframe in mind for the rebuild, and it is truly "build from within." The one area I'm confident they will address through FA in the off-season is goaltending. Repeatedly, both of them indicated that it was their top priority for next year.

Okay, specifics after the jump.

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  • Milan Hejduk was re-signed this morning and will be back next season: 1y, 2.6 + .4 in bonuses. (thanks, Doc!) The details of the deal were not discussed, but it sounded like a one-yearer.
  • To increase interest of the casual fan, both guys pointed to improving the on-ice product. Joe mentioned that they were going to have 2, 3 or 4 new players next year to help with that. Later, he also said that they hope the #2 and #11 picks, as well as Stefan Elliott and Tyson Barrie, will be ready to go next season. Read into that what you will.
  • The draft is their focus right now; questions about free agent signings were routinely deflected by saying, "It's too early to speculate on that." My gut feeling is that goaltending will be the sole focus at the start of free agency and that any other additions will depend on the draft picks. Given their clear committment to the rebuild, I would not be surprised if a goalie is the only FA signing (apart from re-signings). Calvin Pickard was a topic of a question about whether or not they expect to play him any time soon. Based on their answers, unless he blows up in training camp, they will be keeping him in Seattle another year. I approve of this decision.
  • There were a couple of questions about money and cap spending. Again, there was an emphasis that the priority is to build from within. However, it was also made very clear (by Sakic, who seemed to be more open about his answers) that Stan/Josh will spend the bucks when the time is right. I got the impression that the time is not right yet, but they were adamant that it will happen when it is. Honestly, this didn't sound like a blow off. Sakic was just too real with his answers for me to believe there's a mandate to not spend money. The biggest factor, it appeared, was the CBA. This has been speculated around these parts as a important part of the cap floor love, and I think that speculation is accurate.
  • The Stewart trade: Joe said straight up that a player like Johnson doesn't come around very often. He compared him to Rob Blake and expressed the belief that Johnson will be as integral to the future success of the Avs as Blake was in the past. Although a hard decision, the trade was the right - and necessary - one for the future of the franchise.
  • Who are they targeting for the draft? Yeah, of course they didn't say. But they did say that the scouts are still doing their due diligence. Currently, they are in Denver finalizing their reports. Next, they're going to visit the players in their homes for interviews to get a sense of who they are. We all know the kinds of players the Avs target in regards to personality, so as you're looking at your draft simulations, keep in mind leadership, work ethic, maturity. They did say that their philosophy is to go for best player available, so whoever that ends up being at the #2 and #11 spots, they will go with him.
  • As for the captaincy next season, they have not selected one. It will be Sacco's decision, but they said there are a few candidates in consideration. There isn't a timeline, so they are waiting to see who steps up and shows those leadership qualities still. Don't rule out a young guy.
  • There is a marketing campaign in place to start promoting the young stars more. Expect to see their faces around town - on billboards and in events - more next season.
  • Although they value veteran presence, they will only add vets to the team if they fit in with the chemistry and plan. In other words, vet FAs will be limited. They mentioned the veteran presence already in the locker room. Sherman brought up Hejduk, O'Byrne and McClement. Liles was not mentioned. Again, read into that what you will.
  • Sakic's take on last year's struggle was interesting. He said he believed that many of the guys had such an easy go of it their first year (2009-2010) that they were surprised by the troubles they had last season. Their struggles led to a loss in confidence, which he attributes as the cause of the slide more than anything else. However, he thinks it was actually a good thing as they learned some hard lessons that will only help them in the future. Hmmm, I think I remember hearing that idea somewhere before.
  • I brought up how the injuries last season made the lack of depth at left wing apparent. I asked what their plan was to address the holes. The response was "5 season-ending injuries," "try to prepare but can't plan for that," "unexpected and hope it doesn't happen again." At best, that was dodging the question. At worst, it was disconcerting. What really worries me, though, is Sherman's insistence that they believe in the Lake Erie players and feel confident at the depth they provide when injuries necessitate call-ups.
  • Updates on Tomas Fleischmann and Peter Mueller: Mueller is progressing positively in recent weeks. He is continuing the concussion protocol program established by the NHL, and if he continues to improve at the rate he currently is, he is expected to be at training camp. Flash is seeing specialists on the East Coast. He has not been cleared to play yet, however. There was no word either way of re-signing him, but they spoke of him as if he was still a part of the team.
  • When asked about the timeline for the rebuild, Sherman deferred to Joe as the current Avalanche situation is so similar to what the Nordiques went through. Joe said that the rebuild for the Nords started in 1989; they added a few pieces at a time and then, suddenly, became the powerhouse that was the Avs. Obviously, that was in 1995. So based on that experience, we would expect the rebuild to take about 6 years total, so 4 more years as we are already 2 into it as of now. But Sakic believes the current team is way ahead of the Nords of '89 and expects the leap to success to happen more quickly and sooner rather than later.
  • Sherm's final comment was that they all feel very strongly and confident about where the rebuilding process currently is and about the plan they have gowing forward. He also expressed glowing enthusiasm for the returning players and the upcoimng draft.

So there you have it, folks. Honestly, my confidence in the team and the plan for the future is improved after having gone through this. We may have another high draft pick in the next year or two, but this team will be a league leader again. Sakic is dedicated to making the team one which players around the league want to be a part of, the way they were in the last great era. I believe he can do it.

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Thank you very much for this Beachie. I had tentatively planned on dialing in, but work got in the way. I have my torches and pitch forks ready if we aren’t at least a little above the damn salary floor going into next season.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 11, 2011 1:24 PM MDT reply actions  

I’m glad they’ll try to get a goalie through free agency. I’d rather do that than trade the 11th pick

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by patrit19 on May 11, 2011 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Honestly, I think that a good player at pick #11 will help us more in the long run than trading that pick for a 2-3 year goalie. I am glad they are taking the FA route too.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and also, if we have 2-3 years to go, what’s the rush? We would probably be better off not getting a goalie that may steal wins and force us to get a bad draft pick. By the time we need to plug that hole, Pickard may be ready.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember, they didn’t say they were going to get a goalie through FA. That’s just my impression. I base that on their repeated insistence on being happy with the building from within and liking what they have available tied with their recognition of the urgency of the goalie situation. They could be talking trades. They justified the Johnson trade as a part of the build from within philosophy by saying they used prospects to make the trade. There could be more of that on the way.

Something else I didn’t mention was a strong appraisal of Stastny, Duchene and O’Reilly as making the team highly talented down the middle for a long time. More stuff to read into.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

They justified the Johnson trade as a part of the build from within philosophy by saying they used prospects to make the trade. There could be more of that on the way.

I feel as if my thoughts on the path of the rebuild are more justified.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

They justified the Johnson trade as a part of the build from within philosophy by saying they used prospects to make the trade. There could be more of that on the way.

Something else I didn’t mention was a strong appraisal of Stastny, Duchene and O’Reilly as making the team highly talented down the middle for a long time. More stuff to read into.

So…trade Hishon for a goaltender?

by c0nquistad0rian on May 11, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only if Hishon is extraneous and easily replaceable.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that what the high appraisal of the team’s current top three centers would imply? That Hishon is extraneous? Albeit talented. But trading him could fill a talent void elsewhere while justifying the trade as a part of the build from within philosophy as they did with the Johnson trade.

Just a thought: I wonder if Florida would bite on a Hishon + 11th overall pick for the 3rd overall pick and their second rounder. Then, the Avs draft Larsson and Landeskog two and three, and get a second round pick to replace the one that they lost in the St. Louis trade. It would be a tremendous shift in talent to fill obvious needs.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 11, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

wat

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Hishon is a natural center… Really, he was born that way. Taking face-offs from other sperm etc… If you try and move him to wing (let’s say the right variety) he’ll think he has an extra 20 feet of ice to his right. And eventually, he’ll try to make that right-hand turn, and BOOM, straight into the boards. It’s just too careless to play with peoples lives like this.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

A lot of people don’t like my idea and that’s fine. I’m not going to convince anyone other wise. But I’ll share some more of my thoughts on it:

Yes, Hishon’s a talented player. But, I haven’t seen anyone calling him “NHL ready” as scouts have said Larsson and Landeskog are.

See, theres this thing that sometimes happens called moving centers to wing….

Just what the team needs! Another smallish Duchene wing. Sure, Hishon could be another center converted to winger. Alex Tanguay did it. But, in addition to skill, the team also lacks size and physicality in its top six, having since traded away Chris Stewart.

Again, I am not saying that the trade idea is to devalue Hishon. The team is already deep down the middle and lacks talent in other areas. It’s just some asset management to get what the team needs for its rebuilding process. Just as Stewart is a great power forward, the team felt that it needed a projectable number one defenseman more so.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 12, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, Hishon’s a talented player. But, I haven’t seen anyone calling him "NHL ready" as scouts have said Larsson and Landeskog are.

Scouts are the only ones to use that term. Because Hishon is not being drafted this year, the scouts will not be talking about him. When they say Larsson is the most NHL ready, it’s only in relation to the other potential draft picks, not players that have already been drafted. The fact the Hishon signed a pro contract means that he’s ready for the pros. Granted, he may start in Lake Erie, but he’s done with juniors.

Another thing you can look at is his ranking at Hockeysfuture.com. He’s currently ranked at 29 in the top future NHL prospects. I would bet that he climbs that ladder very quickly, if he doesn’t skip the prospect status entirely.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that Conquy was trying to imply that scouts aren’t talking about Hishon and that devalues him. Conquy knows they aren’t talking about Hishon because he’s already been drafted. What he is saying is that the scouts ARE saying Larsson and Ladeskog is ready and nobody (Avs management, prospect people, etc.) is saying Hishon is. I think his points about Hishon’s size vs. the team’s need are valid.

Also, pro contracts do not guarantee pro-duction. Plenty of guys are “pros” who are career minor-leaguers who are over-valued by the NHL clubs and should be in the A. I believe we saw plenty of that this year.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 12, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

One fan/alleged scout very loudly said Hishon is ready for the NHL. His track record is mixed, though…

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by Dan Winkler on May 12, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Hishon is a badess, and will probably pot more points than TJ Hensick next season training camp.

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by TheRed on May 13, 2011 2:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

and nobody (Avs management, prospect people, etc.) is saying Hishon is

I understand that. My point is that the Avs wouldn’t come out and say that anyway. The strongest statement they’ll make about it, is signing him to a pro contract. The last thing we want is Hishon to believe is that he’s a lock to make the team. The message should be something along the lines of “Your competition is stacked at training camp and if you want to make the team, you’ll have to show us something pretty special.” We want Hishon to prove he’s good enough to make the team. I don’t think he’ll have any problems making the team with that mindset.

I think his points about Hishon’s size vs. the team’s need are valid.

I agree that’s a valid point, however, it’s not a reason to trade Hishon. They knew his size when they drafted him, and they were very happy with the pick.

It would be nice if we get some size in this draft, which is one of the many reason I like Couturier, Armia and Larsson. I don’t include Landeskog here, because he’s not really big compared to other NHL players, he’s average. I don’t get how we say he’s big but Duchene is small. Duchene is 1 inch shorter and 7 pounds lighter. Stastny is the exact same size as Landy. I guess that’s another topic though.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not trying to win this argument, just point out some valid observations.

That being said, the Avs management has said repeatedly that they draft Best Player Available because that allows them to have assets that can then be traded for needs if necessary. Therefore, of COURSE they are going to be happy with the pick because they consider Hishon an asset. Your position comes off sounding like the fact that they drafted him means he untouchable in management’s eyes, and I don’t think that’s the case. His size would definitely be a “con” discussed in possible evaluations in any trade process. I don’t doubt FOR A MINUTE given the team’s depth, Hishon’s size, and the team’s needs that if the right deal came along, Hishon would be on the table. Maybe I’m reading into your statements a little too much though…

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by Mike @ MHH on May 13, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree, he’s not untouchable. I just think it’s unlikely. It seems to me that players drafted in the first round are rarely traded, until they play a couple years in the NHL. And it seems that the trade occurs because the team is not happy, the player is struggling or there’s some kind of contract dispute. This doesn’t seem to be the case with Hishon. However, I suppose anything is possible and maybe he could be one of the rare cases.

by mcarson01 on May 13, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

until they play a couple years in the NHL

I should probably say, at least 1 year, instead of a couple years. I think this is key to getting a good return. We probably wouldn’t have been able to land EJ, if Stewart and Shatty didn’t play, and play decent. So, if my theory is correct, we’ll at least play Hishon for a while, before attempting a trade. But, the simple fact that we need wingers, is a pretty good reason to keep him. And there’s no doubt in my mind that he would play winger just as well as center. I hope we keep him, but I do understand the size concern. Maybe it won’t be as much of an issue, after this draft though.

by mcarson01 on May 13, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hishon isn’t going anywhere, the avs even if they draft Landeskog and another forward at 11 just don’t have enough reliable depth on the top 6 right now.

Jones just completed his first injury free year, 1 out of 4. Hedjuk is getting up there, SoS and Duchene are probably good for at least 60 or 70 barring freak injury. Mueller/Fleichmann, who knows, if the team does I’ll be surprised. Olver, Galaradi, Stoa, Yip, Winnik? Probably don’t want those guys on your top 6 for prolonged (over a week) periods of time. Hishon, looks good so far but the AHL is full of small fast guys that can’t cut it at the NHL level (also full of big slow guys too). I just don’t see the avs trading any forwards until we’re into next season and they know what they have and are dealing from a position of strength.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 12, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fact

If Duchene moved to wing he’d instantly be our best wing.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 12, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

possibly coach or goalie too.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 12, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget trainer. Even with NO medical background, he’d immediately be qualified.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 13, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

While I like Hishon and look forward to what he’ll bring to the team…Landeskog AND Larsson out of the draft would be lovely.

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by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that it wouldn’t be nice, but every year fans somehow think it’s possible to get 2 of the top 5. How often have you seen that happen? I can only recall one at the moment (Sedins). I suppose it’s possible that one of these players will fall, but extremely unlikely. The odds of the Avs trading up are even more unlikely, and somewhat pointless, because there’s still really good talent at 11.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's stupid.

The proposed deal isn’t even a good idea. Landeskog essentially replaces the hole Hishon would leave in the system simply for the upgrade of adding a second rounder. Because I don’t think Landeskog is clearly the better prospect of the two, it doesn’t seem worth it to me.

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love the IDEA of getting two of the top 5 players out of the draft but I do agree. It is a horrible deal. I like Hishon and think he stays with the organization.

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by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I love the fact that we have Hishon and 2 early first rounders. I can’t see any reason to change it. And #11 could turn out to be quite a pick.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

That deal isn’t bad at all. The Avs are deep down the middle and Landeskog is much better of a prospect then Hishon. I like Hishon to but i don’t see where he will fit in.

by cgallegos on May 11, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, Hishon is much more proven than anyone in the draft right now. He may not have the upside that RNH has, but he’s less risky right now. And he’ll be able to play wing or center, wherever they want him.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 10:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Landeskog is much better of a prospect then Hishon

You must have missed the games in which Hishon is the best player on the ice… which is, oh, just about every one of them.

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 14, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like that idea and would love if Florida would take that. Having those two guys would be amazing. But i just cant see even Florida taking that

by cgallegos on May 11, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

All the vets presence mentioned were guys acquired this past year, maybe that’s all they meant, not a dig at Liles?

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by Sandie Gauthier on May 11, 2011 1:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Personally, I didn’t see this as a dig at Liles. But my impression was only from the comments here, not from involvement with the actual phone conference.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks a bunch, Beachie. Really good to hear your take on the situation.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Wicked cool post.

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by GeorgeInLimbo on May 11, 2011 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Hejduk took a pay decrease? But how will we reach the cap floor?!!!!

by amit916 on May 11, 2011 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

re-signing Flash and paying Bryz.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, trying to get the #2 draft choice (and possibly the eleventh, too) onto the ice. I expect that cap hit will be similar to Duchene’s at 3ish mil.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does that count right away, or only if he plays for the Avs and is not sent down/kept in the AHL or what have you?

by amit916 on May 11, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

he has to play with the NHL club. The guy will be too young to hit the AHL, so he only has his 9 game call-up. I expect he will stay with the club all year tho, especially if they draft a Swede.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the Yotes may still have a chance at keeping Bryz now that they’re staying in Phoenix

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by patrit19 on May 11, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are they staying there? Is the solution long-term, or temporary?

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

one season

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by patrit19 on May 11, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I do see a chance for him to stay, but will he risk a one year contract? I would think he would rather sign a three year, fat contract with us, knowing that we won’t be moving, and that he will be our guy until Pickard comes of age.

July 1 is still far away.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still have a feeling that they’ll sign Harding, even if Bryz is available.

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by patrit19 on May 11, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

It won't happen

Signing Harding makes way too much sense.

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

In Avs land yes it does make sense. A goalie coming off a huge injury, who will be cheap? It’s right up their alley

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by chiavsfan on May 11, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’ll have a huge first season and then fall off the face of this planet in the second…have a resurgence in the third year and then we’ll low ball him.

by amit916 on May 11, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

so he’s just Theodore minus the “huge” first season?

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by patrit19 on May 11, 2011 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

He put all the effort of the huge first season into keeping his hair.

by Andy_ on May 11, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

There’s an argument that Harding is the better choice.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

is it a good one? If it’s just you on a street corner, a bottle of whiskey in hand screaming at traffic. Well, let’s just say I didn’t convince a lot of people that day.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 11, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

it’s the same cap hit with the bonus. :)

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

great post beachie! tons of awesome information!

the big nuggets to me were 1) that they think the #2, #11, elliot AND barrie are all going to be ready to play b) they all but confirmed they are going to go after a goalie in UFA anc c) flash is not cleared to play yet (contrary to other reports).

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed. Those points go a looong way to clearing up the look of the upcoming team. Writing on the wall may be there for Hunwick, Holos, Wilson, Liles. Now I am going to be on pins and needles all summer.

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we are reading to much into this.

Later, he also said that they hope the #2 and #11 picks, as well as Stefan Elliott and Tyson Barrie, will be ready to go next season.

I think the key word is hope. Of course every rebuilding team hopes that their draft picks can step right in to play. But they still have to earn it by outplaying others on the team. I don’t think any player is going to get a free skate card. However, it’s more likely they can make this team, compared to other teams that don’t have any room to add players. So it sounds like the Avs think there are a few spots to fight for, that’s a pretty good sign that a newbie can make it, but I hope they don’t take that for granted.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

What does it say about the current roster if two 18yr olds step in and play this season???

Didn’t we already see this mistake firsthand with Dutchie and Radar? I guess if the #2 and #11 overall play this year with the avs, we will officially be “Thrashers/Panthers West”. BTW what has either of those teams done asides from being on a perpetual rebuild?

by CMM09 on May 11, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

“If we can’t win a Stanley Cup, we’ll acquire players who have!”

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why do you think it was a mistake?

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by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding? It was definitely not a mistake to bring in Duchene and Radar. It was exactly the opposite. The worry with bringing in young players is that it may stunt their growth and cause them to lose confidence. It certainly didn’t do that. Duchene’s progress over the last two years is way ahead of the average rookie. If we’re able to get just one player in this draft with the same learning curve, we won’t be rebuilding much longer.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. While I think Duchene had nothing left to learn at the OHL level, I’m not so sure it would have hurt O’Reilly. Plus the Avs burned a year of their rookie contracts that way, which means we’re one more year closer to paying them big money. If the Avs were truly rebuilding and didn’t anticipate playoffs last season, it may have been best, long term, to not bring them up.

I’m happy the way it turned out, but there’s a decent argument that it was a mistake.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand the cons of the argument, but I don’t necessarily agree with them. To me, its just going to end up being different paths to the same ending [or near enough as it won’t matter].

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by mfured20 on May 12, 2011 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

luckily Radar hasn’t really broken out yet and can still be an inexpensive re-signing to a 2-3 year contract after his entry level. The only real hurt with starting him a year or two early was that UFA will kick in much earlier than 27

Languishing for Landeskog

by zandar on May 12, 2011 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought 27 was the cutoff for UFA regardless of years in the league? Probably wrong on that thought

by avalanchejef on May 12, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe that players can become eligible for unrestricted free agency based on the number of years since signing his first professional contract. For example, Sidney Crosby joined the league at 18 years old on a 3 year entry level contract. After his EL contract expired, he signed a 5 year contract extension, at the end of which, he will only be 25 and be eligible for unrestricted free agency.

by c0nquistad0rian on May 12, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

yea, it’s 27 or x amount of years in the nhl.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 12, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Crosby, UFA?

If he ever hits the FA market (not that he ever would), the offers he would receive….. I don’t think my mind can comprehend those sorts of numbers!

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by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 14, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and I was really only talking about the player’s development. But those are good points that maybe it wasn’t the best strategy for the team. Although, zandar makes some good points below that this particular situation may work out well for both sides.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Although, zandar makes some good points below

I wasn’t thinking of where my reply message would end up. So actually, I’m talking about zander’s points directly above mine.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why have a 18yr old learn on the job in the pros. First of all the ELC gets used up and they become UFAs faster. Or at least that’s what I think happens (i could be wrong on that point). The NHL is a league for men not boys. At 18 you are not physically or mentally mature. I know there are exceptions to the rule but none of our players have the Crosby pedigree.
 The past few drafts I have been happy with our selections but a just as important (even more important in my eyes) part to drafting is “DEVELOPING”. There is no developing if you are inserted into the line up at 18. Why not allow these kids to dominate their peers and have the opportunity to get more experience playing in the World Jrs , CHL playoffs and Memorial Cup. Experience and confidence is key. Did Duchie or Radar have much of this at seasons end?
Brayden Schenn and Ryan Ellis are 2 drafted players that have been talked up a storm and they were also drafted in 09. Those 2 players are part of organizations that are considered to have 2 of the best talent pools in the NHL (LA and Nashville). Neither of those teams play 18 yr olds and both are years ahead of the avs. And I know i’ll get burned for this one but Detroit would never start an 18 yr old. The Wings have a set progression that their players go through.
Look at Radar, his MO was a good defensive specialist when he was drafted. What has Radar done in the bigs? The PK absolutely sucks and he’s a big reason for it. He has had at best 30-40 games out of 180 where he actually had some positive outcome, otherwise he’s been invisible. It’s one thing to shutdown your peers but quite another thing to ask him to shutdown the Sedins, Datsyuks and Kopitars of the world.

End of the day i believe that these kids “NEED” to follow a progression before they play in the bigs. I wish the avs would just allow these kid to mature and grow and have them earn spots on the team rather than haphazardly give them out.

Sorry about the rant but the DEVELOPMENT part of the rebuild is what worries me the most about this team. If this team needs to suck/tank to reload the coffers then cool I’m all for it. But putting these “kids” in a situation that they aren’t ready for is a recipe for disaster.

by CMM09 on May 12, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with a lot of your general points. For example, I don’t think all players should be brought up at 18. Only if they show they are ready, like the following players did in their respective first-year camps:

Duchene
Tavares
Hall
Stamkos
Crosby
Skinner
Tanguay
E Kane
P Kane
Lecavalier
D Doughty
The list goes on and on.

It’s definitely not a strategy that will work for every player. In fact, most players are not ready to jump right in. Some teams mess up because they think a player is ready, when they are not, like Kyle Turris. So far, I have yet to see the Avs make a mistake in this area. O’Reilly certainly didn’t need to make the jump, but it didn’t hurt him either. Many teams believe that it’s better to move them up, if they have nothing left to prove in the lower leagues. Their development can really blossom, because they learn early on how to play against better competition. Everybody is different though, some may grow faster by playing against better competition, while others may grow more by playing against weaker players.

At 18 you are not physically or mentally mature.

Why does this matter? They need to be a certain age to play a game with older people? Are you worried that they’ll be telling too many fart jokes on the bench?

I wish the avs would just allow these kid to mature and grow and have them earn spots on the team rather than haphazardly give them out.

I totally agree that that’s what they need to do, and they have been. The Avs have only allowed a small handful of players to make the jump at 18. I don’t think that’s haphazardly giving them out. Duchene was very close to winning the rookie of the year. I can’t believe many would argue it was a mistake to bring him up. O’Reilly was more of an average rookie, but by playing on the 3rd line and getting PK time, it’s still fairly impressive. You can’t blame a bad PK on one person, it’s a team sport.

With all that said, I’m not pushing for the Avs to bring up our next draft picks right away. I actually don’t think it’s very likely. But if they think they’re ready, then I’m all for it.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

btw, if the #2 is expected to be ready, that screams Landeskog to me. Larsson said he’s returning to Sweden next year ( http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/adam-larsson/14761 ). I’ll be happy with either. the #11…I don’t see anyone that’s ready to go right away. maybe Siemens? Zibanejad? Biggs? Puempel? ::confused look::

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you really think O’Reilly was going to make the team after he was drafted? It doesn’t matter who they draft, if they don’t prove themselves in camp, they’re going back.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

i think the Avs might have. im surprised that they have their eye on anyone in this draft outside the top 5 that they think can make the jump right away.

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that could be true. If anything, I think the Avs have proven that anyone and everyone will get the chance to make the team (regardless of draft pick). Opposed to others that really feel like more time in the juniors is the best strategy. I don’t think the statement excludes Larsson or Armia from being picked though. Doesn’t it seem like a silly thing to do? Exclude a BPA because he can’t play next year…

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like you said….“hope” is the operative word here. There’s no reason to think they “believe” any of those guys “will” be ready. Hope is a good thing, though. Just ask Andy.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the key word is hope. Of course every rebuilding team hopes that their draft picks can step right in to play.

And as for the Andy comment…

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Umm … yes. If you ask me, I have hope.

by Andy_ on May 11, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

McNeil is strong defensively and developing his forward ability very well. Big guy fuller frame. He might be the best option at 11 to be NHL ready.

by avalanchejef on May 12, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

First of all, thanks for the detailed recap. You walk the walk.

Secondly, I noticed the same thing doc did, which is that they have at least some expectation that 4 rookies will be ready to play. Seems unrealistic. Even if they only hope that’s the case, I still think it’s strange. Sakic’s been around long enough to know that’s probably not going to happen. And if that’s how he feels, then does that rule out the possibility of taking a defenseman at #2? You wouldn’t start the year with 3 rookie defensemen, would you?

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by Dan Winkler on May 11, 2011 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well two. I can’t imagine they believe Elliott and Barrie would make the lineup. It feels like they are keeping one spot open and having those two compete for it. If they look Larsson, I imagine his role is more of a 1st or 2nd pairing.

Hishon is interesting. Though some people in Boston disagree, I like the way he handled Seguin and I would not be surprised if Sacco did the same with Hishon.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

how are all 3 going to fit in the lineup?

Quincey – EJ
Liles – Larsson
Barrie – Elliot
RoB/Wilson/Gaunce/…

….? there’s either lots of trades coming, or I smell Landeskog (or some other forward). or both.

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

3 defensemen and 2 forwards?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 11, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

elliot AND barrie are all going to be ready to play

This has interesting potential implications for the retention prospects of Hunwick, Cumiskey, Koci and (gulp) maybe Wilson.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it’s just as likely they go after a goalie in trade as FA, but I’m probably just nitpicking here.

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by TheRed on May 11, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

They stayed quiet about Stastny and Hishon, too.

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by GeorgeInLimbo on May 11, 2011 1:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh, Beachie

Always wonderful.

I’d say the Avs became a powerhouse in 1994, though =p

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 1:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Ya ya. I was rushing to get it up. I was going to say, “Excuse any errors because I’m not proofreading so that I can get this info out as soon as possible” but I thought folks might have given me a bit of a break without needing to write that. Didn’t realize you would be gracing the boards…otherwise I woulda known better. =p

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

No way I was going to miss this.

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ya ya. I was rushing to get it up

TWHS?

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

He [Sakic] compared him to Rob Blake and expressed the belief that Johnson will be as integral to the future success of the Avs as Blake was in the past.

Translation: Johnsoon’s going to give Mueller a concussion in training camp

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 1:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Or Johnson

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Once he starts hitting people with his ass, I will believe it

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on May 11, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

that ass-check is a bit of a lost art nowadays isn’t it?

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by Uziel on May 11, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually like Johnsoon. As in Monsoon.

“There’s a Johnsoon a-comin’, better stay indoors.”

When this year becomes last year, next year will be looking pretty good.

by Andy_Joe on May 11, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I mean Johnsoon’s are powerful, but I want a Johnsunami.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

As a resident of Japan, I appreciate the horror and panic this will bring.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

As if Mueller wasn’t already in a fragile state…

by amit916 on May 11, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are they going to release this to the public? Link?

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:17 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t know. Check their website…they might.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn’t see it over there. Maybe it will be posted later. I’m sure you covered everything, but I would still like to listen, just to kill some more time. If I run across it, I’ll post it.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I definitely didn’t cover everything. It was a full hour. I just hit the highlights as best I could.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

My bad.

I meant to wake up and ask a killer question and help jotting down notes but you know, my body trolls me and only sleeps when I’m not interested.

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Beachie! Nice post and it’s good to hear some of the plan (or hints at the plan, at least).

by Andy_ on May 11, 2011 2:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Smokin!

Thanks Beachie!

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by LTC Pain on May 11, 2011 2:49 PM MDT reply actions  

can pickard return to seattle now that he has a pro contract and has played for lake erie?

by denverpioneer10 on May 11, 2011 2:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes. He wouldn’t be able to if he played 10+ games in an Avs uni, but his stint in Erie doesn’t affect his status for juniors next season.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

brb smashing my face into my keyboard

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bubs, come back. Are you ok? I am worried.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry i wasn’t sure of junior status. i just know that for ncaa once you make the jump you can’t go back. i didn’t know if for juniors you needed amateur status to play

by denverpioneer10 on May 11, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you missed it, but there was a running joke here for about 3 weeks where people kept asking this question…

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahhh ya totally missed that. im finally coming out of my cave from studying for finals. my bad

by denverpioneer10 on May 11, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahaha yeah

This wasn’t me using my violent gamer rage tendencies to call you stupid or anything. Just that this is a conversation that’s been had on MHH approximately 34252452 times. Kind of like the “Who do we draft at #2 and #11?” conversation. God I can’t wait for the draft to be over.

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Asking you Hishon’s junior status is like asking Beachie if she thinks we could get Bernier or Quick out of L.A. Both comical.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ask Jibble why the Blackhawks were in Luongo’s head. That is fun.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 11, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh a trifecta of annoyance!

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Andy's body language!

Living in the D, but It's All About The A.

by Avalanche318 on May 11, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

We could get Mike too with rebound control.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oooo good one

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by Avalanche318 on May 11, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which, my mother and I went for a quick bite to eat yesterday and she suggested Arby’s and I couldn’t stop laughing.

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by Sandie Gauthier on May 11, 2011 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice!!!

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or open a discussion with Jibble and Mike about being in a goalie’s head, resulting in odd body language, and thus resulting in poor rebound control. The possibilities are endless.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on May 11, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I sense a great debate.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

We could include Dan and propose that Hannan be brought back with a pay raise.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tucker too?

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well did he ever officially retire?

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

...rage building...

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

but Hopf, Tucker was a valuable on and off ice leader who made significant contributions to the team! He was a key factor in our success, and his loss in the offseason really showed in the Avs record this year!

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

but Hopf, Tucker was a valuable on and off ice leader who made significant contributions to the team! He was a key factor in our success, and his loss in the offseason really showed in the Avs record this year!

…having allowed the foregoing to be read into the record, Your Honor, the defense rests. Justifiable Homicide, nay, Homicide by Moral Imperative.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear opening night at the Can is Darcy Tucker night where they officially retire his jersey number.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

its going next to sakic right?

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you think he’d sign my Sakic jersey?

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by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

One word,

seppuku

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s just cruel.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

You brought it on yourself.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see.

Player A is not good. Dispute this point by pointing out that unrelated Player B is also not good.

….

PROFIT!

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Plus it’s just fun linking terrible Avs who are no longer with the team.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Counter Counter Counter Point:
<img src=“”http://www.flickr.com/photos/61116520@N06/5712288012/" title=“Rafters of Shame by Canucklehead272, on Flickr”>Rafters of Shame"/>

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

This amuses me.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on May 12, 2011 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Asking you Hishon’s Pickard’s junior status is like asking Beachie if she thinks we could get Bernier or Quick out of L.A. Both comical.

fixed

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry…my fault completely. Accurate posts are something I refuse to be responsible for before noon in Japan.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

…with the express intention of annoying Bubs.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that the express intention of MHH? Well, that and annoying Dan too.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 11, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know about that.

Does anyone know if he loses his junior eligibility now that he’s played for LE?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 11, 2011 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

So I am seeing this as another long couple of years of rebuild…and management still kind of hesitant to spend money on pieces that could make them a contender sonner

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on May 11, 2011 3:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Just biding their time to trade Budaj and O’Reilly for Carey Price and Scott Gomez.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on May 11, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gomez hey? That would be a contract to get us to the cap floor

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by chiavsfan on May 11, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Super funny

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously funny and going green soon too.

Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010! Putting the Ø in øffense since Game 7.

by niwotsblessing on May 11, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome find Bubs.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Beachie!!

Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010! Putting the Ø in øffense since Game 7.

by niwotsblessing on May 11, 2011 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

But Sakic believes the current team is way ahead of the Nords of ’89 and expects the leap to success to happen more quickly and sooner rather than later.

I, and many other MHHers, have been saying this for a year. I think the group of Duchene-Stastny-O’Reilly-Hishon will replace Sakic-Forsberg-Ricci. They are clearly building around it, whether or not Stastny eventually leavues. It’s smart.

The biggest factor, it appeared, was the CBA. This has been speculated around these parts as a important part of the cap floor love, and I think that speculation is accurate.

This fits my comments about the rebuild and the clear business plan KSE has. They could spend spend spend and then get fucked by the CBA. But building slowly up to it with a core and cap room, gives them a chance to jump if some teams (cough. Philly. cough) are ruined or keeps them in the same position if the CBA affects nothing. It’s very smart.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:29 PM MDT reply actions  

What are people expecting the CBA to do? Lower the Salary Cap by 20 million?

by amit916 on May 11, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who the hells knows. It could be a lock out. It could some crazy destruction of long contracts. It could change the nature of signings to prevent a Zetterberg/Kovy/Richards deal. A lot of things could happen that could strangle the Avs if they started throwing money at Free Agents.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

it’s legitimately possible. theres a huge discrepancy between listed salary and actual salary the players collect after the escrow withholding. it’s been really high lately…like 20-30%, i want to say? if the players are sick of that, suddenly there’s potential for a whole new landscape for the cap.

imagine a new harsher luxury tax/revenue sharing scheme scheme, I know many smaller markets want that. in that scenario suddenly teams above some new threshold are potentially in trouble. and teams with less salary are in great shape to claim players on team shedding salary.

while i think such risks are low, it’s a legit risk, especially the latter considering all the struggling smaller markets.

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by thedoctor on May 11, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention the raping the Avs got after the last CBA.

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

But is it just me, or are the Avs the only team using that as a reason to not spend? What do they know that the other teams who are actually spending money don’t? That rationale sounds off to me.

by ljp78 on May 11, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone asked Sakic what he thought was the key to the Wings continued success all these years when the Avs faltered. He said it was because the lock out and subsequent CBA forced the Avs to give up key pieces to their team, while the Wings were stocked with guys that had talent but were young enough to have low salaries. He specifically mentioned Zetterberg and Datsyuk, who were both just coming off of their entry level contracts. I think the Avs are just gun shy about all of this and want to be sure to avoid a similar situation to what they faced before. There’s no indication big changes like that will happen, but there’s no indication they won’t. Ya know?

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

But even the Wings spend to fill in their pieces

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by chiavsfan on May 11, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I’m sure that the Avs will too…once they know what the CBA looks like, as well as their roster.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 11, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally different situations.

A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.

by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s because they are in the right situation to spend. They have there core, and they don’t need to rebuild from within. Once we have our young core, we’ll spend again.

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aka: They got really lucky

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don’t have a robust error term to prove that.

by MalachiConstant on May 11, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

So, what he's saying is,

that the dead things didn’t have a trade happy agent GM running the show willing to piss away mortgage the franchise’s future on the odd hope of picking up that overpaid never-was magical “veteran” presence (’sup Kasparitus?), but found it within his capacity to squander leverage FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS into that holy grail of hockey skills, puck presence?

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet, if there was only a way to pick up free agents and not have their contracts run past the CBA. Hmm. I just wish there was a way to do that.

by Andy_ on May 11, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not quite

what he’s saying is that the Things lucked out on Datsyuk and Zetterberg and have been running their team on that luck (and the luck that Lidstrom doesn’t seem to age) since then.

by ExiledAmongYou on May 11, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, what the hell was that idiot thinking, bringing us two cups…

by mcarson01 on May 11, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Glen Sather.

Erstwhile brilliance does not eternal genius make, my friend.

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by Hopfenkopf on May 11, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please let the new CBA take away the salary cap, and then please let the Kroenkes sell to the Steinbrenners. Then the dream team thread could become a reality.

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by tat2dpunk on May 12, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

that would be incredibly stupid

Part of why hockey is so awesome right now, is that every year, every team has the same resources to spend and build the best hockey team. It’s why the playoffs are so competitive, sure there are a few “power houses” but even then they may lose (caps, sharks, canucks almost blew it, flyers, etc.). Baseball is boring, not only because of the sport, but because the majority of the teams that have the most money, make the playoffs. I like fairness in competition.

by ProfessorOak on May 12, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

This post makes me believe that guys like Stastny, Liles, etc may be playing for new teams in a couple years. I know this has been said the last three seasons, but this may be our last with Liles since Tyson Barrie seems ready to the execs. Wilson, Johnson, Liles, O’Byrne, Barrie, Elliot, Quincy, Holos, Gaunce, Chouinard, Macias, Liffiton and who knows who else will all be at the Avalanche training camp.

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by GeorgeInLimbo on May 11, 2011 4:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t think they’ll just let someone walk, when the time comes and they have someone younger and cheaper than SoS and Liles, then they’ll get moved for assets, I don’t think you’ll see anyone walk for nothing. That won’t be next year at least, since both of these guys are needed to get to the cap floor are core players.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 11, 2011 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought it was cool how they just put you on live and let you ask your question with no editing/moderating of the forum. Last year they were much more secretive and cautious. I guess the fact that Joe Sakic was there gave them confidence that he would earn the respect of the callers and it wouldn’t degenerate into a negative atmosphere. Very nice job by the Avs!

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by BrianD on May 11, 2011 4:11 PM MDT reply actions  

nice to have some quality content around these parts for a change

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 11, 2011 4:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Why is your name hyphenated?

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by c6hor8 on May 11, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

cause otherwise people would think I have two last names. duh.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 11, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

or two firsts

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on May 11, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I always thought Driscoll was your middle name and you were trying to go by three names Like John Macy Gray or John Wilkes Booth.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

my cat’s breath smells like cat food.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 11, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Better than smelling like toilet water.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s it, no more playoff open threads or sandwich punching jokes.

If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!

by Mike @ MHH on May 12, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

No more Cupcakes.

Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood

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by Sandie Gauthier on May 12, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

This was good to read. Made me glad that Sakic is part of the organization again. It was good to see his responses and that he’s a lot more vocal than Sherman appears to be.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 11, 2011 5:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Beachie. Nice post.

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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
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by TheRed on May 11, 2011 6:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Rafters of Shame"/>

Thanks Footer

by Cole D Hamilton on May 11, 2011 10:06 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

its ok, the 16 was cut off on my screen on the above image.

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on May 12, 2011 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Same here. This makes it better.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 12, 2011 3:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pardon the Rookie

But that’s Raycroft, Arnason, and Tucker, right?

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by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

get off my lawn

Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....

by mfured20 on May 12, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

While I like Andidee and all she has contributed to the MHH community. This is an appropriate reply.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 12, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand. (Slowly tip-toes off lawn)

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aebischer wore #1 as well.

October. When?

by Randy Time on May 12, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

My Thoughts

A) Beachie, thanks. This is awesome.

B) Duke – Yay!

C) 4 rookies (including 2 D-men that we know of) hopeful for next year + not mentioning Liles as leadership + Chouinard in the system…. are we going to lose our Hot Pocket soon? I hope I’m overreacting and that’s not the case. I certainly love our Hot Pocket, but he’s one hell of a bargaining chip.

D) They hope the #2 is ready to go next year, plus they’re doing a personality interview? That might mean Larsson or RNH, but I still think I’m with Dater. Landeskog is probably going to be our guy, ceiling concerns or not.

E) Goalie – well, at least they are aware of the problem. It will be interesting to see how they fix it. Bryz, Harding, Vokoun?

F) Captain is SACCO’S DECISION. That changes everything. Ryan O’Reilly just moved WAY up on the list.

G) Marketing – it’s good to see that they’re going to be using our young guns to their advantage. Finally!

H) We probably aren’t going to get any new non-drafted wingers this summer. Not that I was expecting much more, but this pretty much puts the nail in the UFA winger coffin. At least they are still thinking about signing Flash. I wish they’d just bite the bullet and do it. It’s not like we’re lacking the cap space.

I) 3 more years of tank, then BAM! STANLEY CUP (or at least a decent hockey team). I think I can live with that.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on May 11, 2011 10:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Jay McClement is the guy to look for in that captain spot ;)

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by A.J. Haefele on May 11, 2011 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can’t tell if that’s sarcasm or not. Please pardon this reply while I get my meter checked.

I do think McC would make a decent captain, but he didn’t seem to gel with the team (at least on the ice) and I think there are probably better candidates. Besides, he’s only 28, so unless he’s just a placeholder for Dutch/EJ/Radar, he could be our captain for a very long time. I don’t know – I think I’d go with Duke, Stazz, Radar, EJ, Liles, or Dutch over him.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 6:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also, if Duke or Stazz get the C (which is fairly likely), I think EJ might get the A over Liles. Either of them would be great, but Sacco’s had some issues with Liles’ play in the past (I mean, Liles was in the doghouse), so that might affect the choice. And that’s assuming that Liles is even here next season. This post made me start to doubt that, which scares me unless we are bringing in some sort of blueline vet (which doesn’t seem likely). I don’t want the average age of our blueline to be under 23 next year. Liles at least gets it closer to 24, which isn’t great, but its better than 22.9. On the other hand, EJ is a part of the core of this team and he ADORES Sacco. He’s also had the A before in St. Louis.

I don’t mind either way. The A WILL go to a defensemen if one of the current As get promoted (the Avs seem to like having at least one of each position in a leadership role), and both Liles and EJ bring class and leadership to the blueline.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, EJ is a part of the core of this team and he ADORES Sacco.

“I’m not a real doctor but I play one on TV.” The point being, that’s what Mr. Big says during interviews. But what else is he going to say?

by Andy_ on May 12, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I see what you’re saying, but I do think he was being genuine. He easily could have just said Sacco was a good coach and he deserved to keep his job, but EJ went over the top and said he was the best pro coach he’s ever had. To me, that seems like more than just an act. (shrugs) Maybe he’s just got me fooled. But either way, I do think he’s still a core member of this team and a great option for the A.

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by andidee15 on May 12, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

hahaha

I guess you’ll never know, will you?

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by A.J. Haefele on May 12, 2011 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Liles will be traded soon. I’m thinking a late second round- early third pick. ;)

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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
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by TheRed on May 12, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

If they are going to do it, they should probably wait for the trade-deadline, to get a better return.

I actually don’t mind if they re-sign him. The terms would be much more reasonable.

by mcarson01 on May 12, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was kidding. There were some rumors going around about low picks for liles.

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi

I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on May 12, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bryz, Harding, Vokoun

So…. go the NYI route and sign all three :)

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by CrankyPete on May 12, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

One of them will work out.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 12, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

For other teams…

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by Mike @ MHH on May 13, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Echo everyone here

Thanks for the recap Beachie

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by Jibblescribbits on May 11, 2011 11:56 PM MDT reply actions  

You’re welcome, everyone. I’m glad you enjoyed it!

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 12, 2011 1:24 PM MDT reply actions  

an extra you’re welcome to the MSM, who’s collective ass you covered by covering the call.

Never mind the above. Be sure to pay your cable bill and subscribe to the paper/magazine!

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by Hopfenkopf on May 12, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

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