Final Grade: Jay McClement
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:00 AM MDT
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This report card is a joint effort by Beachie, Sandie, Paul, SlamDunktheFunk and DDC. Stats courtesy of hockey-reference.com and NHL.com
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Final Grade: B-
Position: C (20gp), LW (3gp), RW (1gp)
Lines:
3rd (18gp), 4th (5gp), 1st (1gp)
Vitals: 6'1" / 205 / Age 28 / Shoots L
Drafted by St Louis, 2nd round (57th) of 2001 Draft
Joined Avalanche: Acquired from St Louis on February 19th with Erik Johnson and a 1st round pick for Kevin Shattenkirk, Chris Stewart and a 2nd round pick.
MHH Nicknames:
Linemates:
LW:
- McLeod 9gp 0g 1a 1pt -4
- Stoa 6gp 1g 2a 3pt +2
- Winnik 3gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- O'Reilly 1gp 0g 0a Even
- Porter 2gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
C:
- Duchene 1gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- Dupuis 2gp 0g 0a 0pt -3
- O'Reilly 1gp 1g 1a 2pt +3
RW:
- Yip 8gp 0g 1a 1pt +2
- Porter 6gp 0g 0a 0pt -5
- Winnik 5gp 0g 0a 0pt +4
- Hejduk 1gp 0g 0a 0pt -1
- Jones 1gp 0g 0a 0pt Even
- Koci 2gp 0p 0a 0pt -2
Avs with McClement in the lineup: 5-18-1 (.229 pt %) 2.25 GF 3.75 GA
Ice Time:
- TTOI 15:39 (11th)
- EV 12:40 (11th)
- PK 2:46 (1st)
- PP 0:12 (15th)
Career Highlights: With the Blues, McClement recorded his first career hat trick on October 30th. It was the 3rd multi-goal game of his career (the other two coming against Columbus and - you guessed it - Colorado).
Report: When Jay McClement was acquired from St. Louis, Avs fans everywhere scrambled for any information on the guy because it was largely a “Whaa.?” Reaction to his inclusion in The Trade. What we found out from Blues fans and various scouting reports was he was a guy who could be in line for potential Selke candicacy in his career because he’s a supremely talented defensive center and penalty killer with good faceoff skills. What we saw early on in McClement’s Avalanche career didn’t totally jive with those reports as he struggled to find his niche and fit in on a roster full of smooth skating forwards. As the season wound down to its final days, it seemed McClement had found some spark and he finally started figuring it out, seeing his TOI jump from the 13-15 minute range to the 16-18 range, culminating in his Avalanche season-high 19:00 in the second-to-last game of the season. While his season totals in Colorado are underwhelming (1g, 3a, 4p and a -8 in 24 gp), it should be noted in his final 10 games McClement notched all four of those points and was a +1. Overall, it was an uneven quarter-season in Colorado for McClement but his strong finish lends hope that he’s capable of leading a gritty bottom 6 and hopefully much improved penalty kill heading into next season.
Fun Fact: 5 of McClement's 53 career goals have come against the Avalanche. The only team he has more against is Edmonton (6).
The Jay McClement Drinking Game: uh...?
2010 Cap Hit: $1,450,000
2011 Status: Signed through the end of next season (UFA at expiry)
Outlook for Next Season: The bottom line is this: Jay McClement played 24 games with the Avalanche last year, and in 17 of those he was the Avs' 3rd line center. We strongly suspect that he's penciled into that spot for next season. Of course, that would mean some sort of movement from one of the three centers above him on the depth chart. But that's what our magic 8-ball is telling us.
Next Up: Brandon Yip
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Out of curiosity
Why does the MHH report card brain trust think he’s penciled in as the 3rd line center as opposed to the 4th?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
O’Reilly to the 2nd line?
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
by patrit19 on May 18, 2011 7:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Or wing on the 3rd
Patrit19: Languishing for Landeskog since 2011
Fuck the red wings indeed
Thats What Sherman Said
by patrit19 on May 18, 2011 7:15 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
because he’d be kind of wasted on the 4th line, which is generally for the “energy” guys – especially under Sacco. 3rd line is where a defensive center would go – especially under Sacco.
also, he’s making $1.5 million a year. Do you think we grabbed him to play on the 4th line?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you, what do you see happening? O’Reilly on that wing?
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I think that’s a possibility. I also think it’s a possibility that SoS gets moved and Duchene and ORLY get bumped up
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:39 AM MDT up reply actions
O’Reilly getting traded wouldn’t shock me either.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions
(sigh) He IS one heck of a bargaining chip. I’d be devastated for weeks though if he left. Of all the players that have the possibility of being traded, he’s my favorite. I really want him to be a part of our long term solution. If he finds offensive consistency, there’s no reason he can’t be our #2 center.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
I don’t think Radar is moving to wing. He’s too good of a center. I think he’s a part of the “long term solution” that “building from within” is aiming towards, and I don’t see his place as a wing. If wings have less defensive responsibility, why would we want our most defensive forward there? Duchene is more likely to go, but I’m not sure that’s going to happen either.
I don’t know. Hypothetically, he should be on the 3rd line, but I think he’ll end up on the 4th just because the top 3 centers probably aren’t moving. But if we trade Stastny in a few years (NOT next year), then Radar can fill up and McC can take the3rd line. Assuming of course that Hishon doesn’t take Stastny’s spot.
(sigh) why is it that we don’t have enough good players for all the other positions but WAY too many amazing centers?
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Man, the grades are high for a team with such a sucky record. McClement started looking like a real hockey player in the last 4 games or so. Hopefully he takes a step-up from there, but a B?
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
B MINUS
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
FYI
I am going to start posting Managing Editors and Staff Writers Final Grades when you are done.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I think that’s a great idea
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Me too. I wanna see the shellacking that Joe takes. Straight D- AT BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Oh i dunno, Joe had some knockout days.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Disagree. Are we comparing him to other sites or just this one?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
by Mike @ MHH on May 18, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I think I am using my own method. Comparing performance to expectation. But, he does wear the ME on his chest so he is held to a higher standard.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Joe gets an INC. I’m not sure, but I think he might be being held out for fear of an injury affecting his trade value.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
That would be hilarious.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I concur with the folks above me.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 18, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Once these grades are done, I will do it.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Imma hold you to it with vague internet threats, whoreseer.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I will cower to your veiled threats, person who uses the word “imma”/
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
It’s an internet thing, you wouldn’t understand.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Hella true
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know what that means.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
http://cartmanhella.ytmnd.com/
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
On, now I’m scared.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
You’re safe I think.
In fact, I might get one up today. It might be more entertaining then reading about Yip getting an F – tomorrow.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
f- or f+?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Tough choice. I like the kid but I think the comments regarding him will be less than glowing.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
I just want to know what happened with that kid.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Just don’t get drunk and start demanding an answer tomorrow like Malachi did. It ended in sorrow for him.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Alright. I’ll try.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait, does this mean we can give you a grade?!
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s a new one, the writers giving grades to the members/commentators.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on May 18, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha I was totally kidding. Grading players was hard, I can’t imagine grading members… I mean… commentators. Yes, that sounds better.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
Because 30 is different than 20.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Sandie gets straights “A’s!”
Jonas Holøs- Putting the Ø in defense since 2010! Putting the Ø in øffense since Game 7.
by niwotsblessing on May 18, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe an A- her cupcakes have been a little lacking lately…. ;-)
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on May 18, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I think what a lot of folks around here are forgetting is that these grades are respective of what they did within the team. Thus, at least for me, the whole grading scale was done on a team curve. Otherwise, when you have a team that finished second to last in the league, you’re looking at your top grade (JML) at a C and things moving downward from there. Does it then seem reasonable that you’d be giving, say, Stastny a D+? Foote an F? Because, if a C is where things start, then well over 1/2 the team will be in that D to F range. Given the obstacles they faced (injuries, Sacco, etc), I don’t think that’s fair or reasonable.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 18, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
I had to look it up, because I think B- is too high as well. I voted C, so I feel better now. Some crazy lady gave him a B+ which really inflated things. :)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
This happens for lots of the guys
where one of us inflated the grade a bit. Mine was a B- because his last ten games were so sound. His first 14 I just called “growing pains” lolol
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions
My grade only brought it from a C+ to a B-. REALLY big difference. You should hurry and go change it…even though two reviewers gave him the exact grade he got.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 18, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I will sleep soundly either way
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
wat
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions
So you’re saying you graded this guys against their counterparts in the NHL? Based on your grades, I find that hard to believe.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 18, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
No of course not
I just don’t think anybody had that thought? At least, I always assumed it was understood we were grading their contribution to the team. I think Chi’s point was that for a team as poorly as ours, we sure are handing out plenty of high grades and if all these guys were really as solid as their grades indicate, why didn’t we finish higher than 29th?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Again, my grades were done within the team and how they played compared to their teammates. The team can still be shit while their grades be higher. Perhaps the criteria for the grading should have been made clearer. Under what everyone seems to be presuming it should be, all of my grades would drop by at least one full grade.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 18, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions
today, everyone thinks we should base it on one thing, tomorrow it’s another and it’ll be different the day after that.
also, Darcy Tucker
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
YOU LEAVE DARCY ALONE!!!
Thanks Footer
by Cole D Hamilton on May 18, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I think everybody is just taking the grades thing a bit too seriously, no?
I make music. I don't think it's despicable, do you?
Exactly SDTF
And I agree with Chi. I like these. And am glad I’m not the one putting them out there to receive the slings and arrows. However, I just don’t see how a team that finished 29th out of 30 and ended the season with such a huge thud can be comprised of much more than Cs, Ds, and Fs?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Let me give you the counter. Should a team that wins the President’s trophy and the Stanley Cup get all A’s and B’s? Maybe if every player contributes. But look at a team like Washington during the regular season. They were led by a few players who carried the team and they should get A’s, should everyone else gets B’s because the team did well? No, I don’t think so. A shitty team can have good players who played well, but just because that player did not carry the entire team to a successful season does not therefore mean that player cannot get a higher score.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I would have put McClement as a D. I expected more. More offense, more defense, more hitting, more everything. Maybe it was just adjustment issues, but I want more from him.
I echo the sentiment that his future role is unclear. 4th line center seems a waste. But there’s not really an open slot for him in a role more suited to him. I don’t see O’Reilly being traded. Maybe Stastny, but I’m not sure I see great value coming in return for him.
I think McClement will end up on the wing until injuries hit. Let’s say only one of MorF makes it:
Hishon – Stastny – Jones
MorF – Duchene – Hejduk
Winnik – RoR – McClement
Galiardi – Porter – Yip
McLeod
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
That could work. Have the defensive center vet on the new core defensive center’s wing. Perhaps that would allow Radar to be more offensive? But will having McC on the wing help Radar on defense? (since the consensus seems to be that wings have less defensive responsibly)
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
“consensus”
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Why are we talking like the center is the only one with a significant defensive responsibility? It doesn’t outweigh what the wings ought to be doing. I say move Radar to wing with McClement in the middle and Winnick on the right side. That line will shut down opposing lines, win a shit-ton of face-offs at both ends of the ice, and when you throw them out there with Johnson’s pairing, Winnick can sit in front of the goalie and screen for some long bombs as our “3rd line” maintains possession in the o-zone for hours. Then, when somebody INEVITABLY gets concussed to oblivion, we have an awesome defensive center in our hip pocket.
Let McLeod and the rest of the one-dimensional guys fight it out for a spot on the forth line with Dupuis running the show.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
Why RoR to wing over McClement, Mike?
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
No, it’s McClement, Jay. Common mistake.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
you’re really making us pay for making fun of your screen name
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh just wait for your report card.
A man who stole my whisky used the defense that no one could resist a bottle of Scotch. I had no choice but to testify on his behalf.
Red Wing Fan. F. Enough said.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s younger. Rook’s gotta earn the center spot.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
and he didn’t in the last 2 years at 3rd line center?
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
yes. :)
"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20
TWSS. Wait …..
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Much as I like O’Reilly, we did have an atrocious PK, and he was supposed to be a big part of it. Maybe a “shake-up” is needed just to help things out.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
You know, like how its obvious that Stastny’s bad year and displeasure with the managment screams “change of scenery”, and we should give him up for Toronto spare parts.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
only if it’s really crappy spare parts, then I’m in.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
No no no. Do not do that. You must trade an All-star. Oh wait, wasn’t Stastny an all-star this year for the second time. Was McArthur, or Kulemin, or Bozak, or Kadri? NOPE. They were not. Interesting. Anyway, back to my point. You must trade and All-star to a team but make sure you get players back that the other team doesn’t want. You can’t demand good players, you must trade players whom the team want to get rid off. Trade Stastny for Komisarek and some other useless players.
Or, look around the league. See if there is a team that has a bunch of UFA’s and RFA’s they have publicly said they would let walk. That is the team with whom you should trade. Edmonton’s not re-signing Stortini? BINGO. You must ship Liles off for Stortini, now that’s a steal.
Detroit doesn’t want Ericcson? Awesome, trade your 11th round pick for him. That is just the steal of the century.
Learn this rule: if you have a good player, make sure you trade him to a team that gives up nothing in return. That way, your team will get some awesome bits of nothing BUT the other team will get everything they want for the price of nothing. It’s a WIN fucking WIN.
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by c6hor8 on May 18, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who’s the last winger you saw win the Selke, Mike?
I agree that on your 3rd line they should all be responsible defensively, but center is by far the most important defensive position among the forwards.
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by Dan Winkler on May 18, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Jere Lehtinen
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep, that’s what the internet told me, too.
9 of the last 10 winners have been centers. All 3 nominees this year are centers. 23 of the 32 winners have been centers, and that includes the four straight seasons Bob Gainey won it as a winger.
Former Av Troy Murray won it with the Blackhawks. Were any Avs ever nominated?
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by Dan Winkler on May 18, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe Hlinka?
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Troy Murray was an Av? no recollection of that
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
First year. They also picked up Dave Hannan at the very end of that first year, same type of players – veterans to do a job on the 3rd/4th lines.
Troy Murray’s like the Brady Anderson of hockey – a 20-goal scorer a few times who exploded for 45 one season, never to reach even 30 ever again.
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by Dan Winkler on May 18, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
You have made excellent points before about some key 3rd and 4th liners on cup contending teams needing to be those guys with experience and veteran savvy. I agree with this. Dave Reid was a similar guy during the ’01 Cup run.
So far I have seen little evidence that McClement is one of those guys. But who knows, I could be wrong. He had a good rep coming here.
We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ve never seen anybody win the Selke, Dan (Einhorn voice). I live in Oklahoma.
Seriously, my point was more that the center isn’t solely responsible, which was the flavor of many of the posts. It’s not like he shots down three guys while his wingers cherry-pick and that’s how you know he’s a bad-ass. If you can put all of your offensive eggs in one basket to try to over-power you opponents, why not do the same with your defense on occasion?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
yeah, I agree with you.
Being famous and having a fender bender is weird. You want to be upset but the other drivers just thrilled & giddy that it's you. — Dane Cook
by Dan Winkler on May 18, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Johnson’s pairing
This makes me laugh. My mental image is of two testicles with hockey sticks skating around the rink. Probably only funny to me, but I thought I’d share anyways.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Wouldn’t be the first time. You know what else is funny to me? Sandwich punching. And rebound control.
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Shocker!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck" -Obi Wan Kenobi
I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
Well, it can be as long as you aren’t the one being shocked. ;)
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 19, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it’s kinda funny. Disclaimer, I’ve never given or received one.
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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?
That 3rd line
Could be known as the “why aren’t the two bigger guys hitting anyone while the little guy playing center is?” line. Catchy?
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by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I like this line except I would swap RoR and McClement. But there is one question I have with it.
Does everyone really think Galiardi will be on the 4th line. He was a top line player for a while and coaches and front office seem to think that his energy makes up for total lack of finishing ability. Also what happens if we pick up someone like Landeskog in the draft or another rookie socrer who could be ready to play.
I am starting to wonder if this team has to many players that middle ground ability. To many guys barely or not quite good enough to be on 2nd lines, but to not really bottom 6 players. (see Galiardi, Yip, Porter) Same thing goes for our defense to many guys that deserve time with big club but only good enough to be bottom pair.
Winnik almost makes Galiardi useless. I still think Gali has an offensive upside, but with injuries this year he needs at least one more year to show his worth. Maybe he bounces around the 4th line at first but he is a good player. If he really doesn’t have a spot then he is likely trade material.
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Assuming Winnik doesn’t keep up his disappearing act, of course. It’s almost like after he single-handedly carried the team in Calgary he said, you know what, fuck you guys. If you’re not showing up I’m not either.
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I don’t think it’s fair to judge all the players based on their performance after the injury carousel.
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i think he could start there. he’ll have to earn his way back into the top 6-9. he’ll get plenty of opportunity considering injuries.
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Galaradi had a bad year, I could see him coming back and building off it. Lots of guys go though a sophmore slump. To a lesser extent Yip could come back too, I believe his ceiling is lower. There was a shit ton of injuries and a shit storm of bad play all around, thus the avs get the 2nd overall pick. Yip didn’t step up and take advantage of it at all, but Galaradi had stretches where he played like a first line guy, he was hurt and just didn’t have it at the end of the year.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Galiardi hardly played this past year. He showed great potential in the playoffs, the management (Sakic) will give him a chance to find that level of play again.
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by niwotsblessing on May 18, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope he can do it too, but I think that it’s phenomenally presumptuous (or perhaps reflective of the suckitude that is Building from Within and Humping the Cap Floor) for us to put a 19yr old kid who has never played professional hockey on this team’s top line. Even the 2nd line is scary as hell. I think it just as probable that either Dutchy or Radar move to the 2nd LW (maybe Gali again, but that didn’t work out terribly well). McClement then has a place as 3rd C. In that event, they’d be well advised to re-sign Dupuis as a 4th liner.
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Is it just me
or does Jay sort of look like the long lost third Sedin brother?
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Just you
gtfo with that trash
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 18, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Look at it long enough.
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if so, he was the one born with a soul.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
If some team with needs would give up a 2nd for McClement I’d take it and keep O’Reilly. A first if it’s toronto, because, well, fuck them.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 9:16 AM MDT reply actions
You haven’t been here long and your already talkin’ trash about Leaf fans like some of us old hockey fans. You’re a keeper!
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by niwotsblessing on May 18, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
In toronto's defense:
they do go out of their way to show that they are idiots.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Drink when you say
“Who is number 16?”
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or “Wow tucker didn’t fall down, good for him.”
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 18, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
McClement, McClement, hands of McCement. His play, for the most part, left me pretty uninspired. I’d say C-.
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by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2011 10:06 AM MDT reply actions
Intangibles
For what it’s worth, they put the A on him pretty quickly (although it was due to injury), and he was one of the guys mentioned in the season ticket call as being one of the team leaders. That’s pretty impressive for a guy who’s a) not a superstar and b) only played 24 games here.
I found that pretty interesting because it just goes to show you that the people who are actually in the room and with the team every day don’t define leadership as being the loudest guy on the ice or the one who always talks to the media or the guy who’s always the last one off the ice. That’s what the fans see, and it’s natural that we use that to form our impressions, but I bet McClement with the A and now being singled out as a leader was something that none of us saw coming.
I’m surprised he stayed here after the trade deadline, because it seems his skills are better suited for a contender that needs a guy to anchor a gritty 3rd line, kind of like Draper did with the grind line, what Moore’s doing now in Tampa, and what Pahlsson did with Anaheim. Since we’re not gonna sniff the 2nd round of the playoffs for at least 3 years, I’m not sure he’s the right fit. Who knows, maybe his defensive abilities and work ethic will rub off on some of these lazy clowns.
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by Dan Winkler on May 18, 2011 10:32 AM MDT reply actions
I think this offseason will be a time to hand McClement the keys to the penalty kill. Once that happens and everyone else adjusts to him, I think we’ll see a more dynamic defensive presence from him next season and perhaps he’ll get the respect around here that he got in St. Louis.
I like the fact that the Avs give a defensive-minded player ice time and an A, and I think that actually will rub off on those punk kids who are fighting to make the lineup, which is a group that includes all but maybe five players.
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Something’s gotta give on the PK, other than the PK giving up goals. 30th. 30th at home by 10%. The PK that actually was near the top of the league on the road for a while ended up at 19th there.
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Eugh…don’t agree with the B at all…he was a D at best… didn’t make a lick of difference on the ice excluding his “intangibles” which can’t really be defined.
His jump in TOI at the end was due to Stastny being out in the last 2 games…
Not saying he could be better, but this was a forgettable year for him.
B minus = to me, means he was good.
A = being great year
A+ = career year
C = average
D = poor
I’d slot him into poor, average at best. You guys are handing out B’s like nobodys business…this was a failure of a season and yet not many people have been handed out bad grades…
You guys are handing out B’s like nobody’s business.
It is somebody’s business though. In this economy, you have to support domestic B producers. You’re very un-american.
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So am I.
Winnik is a fucking #Winner. Le P'tit Français est un Des Boys. Can Johnson bring me loads of happiness? Bucket Loads. Ryan O`Byrne must have #TigerBlood
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by Sandie Gauthier on May 18, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
No one is perfect.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
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by Americanario on May 18, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I happen to like Canadians a hole bunch, but relavent...
by MalachiConstant on May 18, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
McClement=C
We can also blame things beyond Jay’s control, but things never quite clicked and for some reason we seem in denial. I can’t see a B- even if we factor in the leadership gains.
Jay seems like a fine fellow to have around. Hopefully, he’ll be at his best next year, but I have doubts that he’ll be in Denver for us to witness the turnaround.
Yip, Cumisky, and a 7th
I say a C at best for McClement. He really didn’t have any impact when he was with the Avs. I do look forward to see what he can bring next year though. Also what was with him being an alternate captain at the end of the season. I don’t know if he was a leader off the ice, but wouldn’t it have been a better idea to give it to Liles or Johnson since they are actually candidates to be captain next year (unless they are planning to make McClement the captain which I don’t see happening).
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