Hammer-Wielding, Laser-Blasting, Veteran-Freezing, Team-Building
Mike: So let's start this conversation with a classic. The Avengers.
Some of our readers may not know the ins and outs of the Earth's Mightiest Heroes, but they were thrown together to combat the raging menace of the always incredible Hulk. That original team boasted some heavy hitters in the early stages of their careers, namely Thor, God of Thunder and Iron Man. But the team didn't REALLY come together until they found a frozen Captain America and thawed his WWII ass out and ended up making him an integral part of the team. Grade-A nutjob Norman Osborn once commented that the core of the Avengers team was The God, The Knight, and The Soldier. Who fit's those roles on the current Colorado roster or who is floating out there in the NHL that could fill those roles for the Avs?
SDTF: The God - We definitely missed the chance to toss Peter Forsberg on this list and call it day, eh? I'm going to have to go with Matt Duchene on this one. It's definitely premature, no doubt, but he's the only guy on this team that has the transcendent feel to him. He already has the buzz from the fan base and even around the city, casual fans have some recognition of the baby-faced kid with fire in his skates. If he continues to develop and we provide him ample talent on his wings, he could be The God for us for the foreseeable future. He's the lightning rod with the one-of-a-kind abilities only defined by The God.
Mike: You just couldn't answer that question without mentioning rods, could you?
SDTF: "Not a fan of the ladies, eh SDTF?"
Mike: You're right though, Forsberg was the slam dunk choice for the "God" role. Hell, he's even Nordic. However, I see where you're coming from on Duchene, but I honestly had him tagged as the Knight. Your point about inner demons still applies to him too. He's got a hellava lot of expectations and he's battled through slumps since joining the Avs. Plus, at his core (especially in recent years) Tony Stark has been a pretty adamant futurist and while some would put Hishon in that role, I still think it's Duchene's burden to carry.
SDTF: I really flip flopped back and forth with Duchene in the role of God/Knight but with the inclusion of Erik Johnson into the team-dynamic mix, it really seemed like it could be the kind of Sakic/Forsberg dynamic where Duchene assumes the role of face of the franchise/God mantle and Johnson has the quieter but certainly just as important Knight sidekick kind of thing. Hishon to fill the role of futurist is a really clever connection.
As for the Knight , I really think this is Erik Johnson. He's the key to this entire team's future. He has the strong leadership characteristics and never ending supply of toughness that every team absolutely has to have. Both Johnson and Stark have battled their inner demons (Stark with the alcoholism and Johnson with the massive confidence issues) extensively and have come out stronger on the other side of those wars. Truly defines the role of The Knight.
Mike: Maybe I'm old school in my characterization of Iron Man (one of my earliest super-hero favorites) but I don't know if I see Johnson in that role. To me, Iron Man (and by extension the role of the Knight) has always had power AND restraint. I'm not sure restraint is a characteristic I see or even want in my top pair defenseman. I want him to unleash hits and shots with wild abandon and make life difficult for the guys wearing the wrong color jerseys. To me that's closer to Thor's role, but I'm not sure Johnson has the power to pull off that gig. Maybe one of the draft picks, especially if we end up with one of the L's? Anybody out there in Free-Agent Asgard for this spot?
SDTF: As much as the MHH meme mastering machine has photochopped Landeskog's head onto Thor, he might better fulfill the Knight role we're having trouble coming to terms with. His leadership and hard work are often considered his best attributes and by all accounts he will be the captain of a team down the line. Think Jamie Langenbrunner but with a cooler name and about 43 years younger. Under the criteria you're looking for, I could see Landeskog sliding right into that role and excelling. In terms of free agents on the market, based on my recent research project, I think the free agent market isn't the place to look for for cornerstone pieces right now. Unless you think the Avs are going after Brad Richards, we're going to have to snag The Knight in the draft or hope one of our current players/prospects develops properly.
Mike: You're right, the pickin's, they are slim and I don't see Richards wearing the A with pride next season.
What about the last, and arguably most important role, the Soldier?
SDTF: The Soldier - This is the one where I have the most to say simply because we don't have it yet and that makes it much tougher to truly define. I think The Soldier is going to be snagged this summer in the form of a goaltender we can lean on. This WOULD have been Craig Anderson and he would have fit the mold so perfectly it's ridiculous. Right now, my favorite choice is Josh Harding. It's a logical choice in terms of hockey reasoning but from what I know of the guy based on his time in Houston, he's exactly the kind of guy you want between the pipes 50-60 games in a season. He's an exceedingly hard worker, puts his head down and leads solely by example and he would be the glue that really pulls the team together. Coming off a lost season this year would be kind of like un-thawing Cap, isn't it? It's too perfect for it to ever happen, though.
Mike: I actually like Paul Stastny as the Soldier just because of the discomfort factor exhibited by Cap being a man out of time and having a huge legacy-type burden to carry. Hell, until recently SoS was rocking a wood stick. If that isn't old-timey/quaint, I don't know what is. But ultimately, yeah, I don't feel like we're anywhere near having this role filled out yet. If we had a real "The Soldier" on the roster right now, would this epic collapse have happened?
SDTF: Stastny as The Soldier would be an awesome comparison if SoS wasn't pillow soft...
Mike: I don't know if he's PILLOW soft. Maybe new mattress soft... Or fat kid's tummy soft... or breast implant soft.
SDTF: To answer your question, no, I don't think if we had a Cap-like figure on the team the collapse would have happened quite the way it did. There were a ton of reasons the season went down the way it did and I really think it was a perfect storm of mitigating factors but it became pretty obvious we didn't have that one guy who would step up and absolutely REFUSE to go down without an epic fight to the bitter end. In this case, Dupuis doesn't count. Ultimately, I think the Avs have potential pieces either already on the roster, in the pipeline, or have golden opportunities to snag them in the draft. The potential is there. It's just a matter of them all coming together to take down The Hulk.
Mike: Speaking of the Jade Giant, I'm assuming you're referring to Vancouver and the split personality disorder that is the Sedins?
SDTF: Sure! It oddly fits well enough. Sedins in the regular season are the Hulk and Sedins in the postseason are the little bitch known as Bruce Banner. Sold.
Mike: For completeness' sake, who's this team's version of the Wasp and Ant/Giant-Man in 25 words or less? I'm going to go with David Koci as the Wasp (annoying and stings like an actual bee AT BEST) and Joe Sacco as the Ant/Giant-man. He gets a lot of the credit and a lot of the blame. He's probably not a wife-beater, though. His defensive systems definitely count as an Ultron-level creation.
SDTF: I think I'll go with Galiardi for Wasp. Ant/Giant-Man, yeah sure, give it to Sacco. 18 words, not including these. Nooch.
Next time, SDTF and Mike will have a super nerd-gasm when we look at merry mutant team-building. What say you, True Believers?
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Interesting
Mike should feel incredibly privileged. I understand most married men aren’t allowed to have fantasies, much less talk about them publicly. What does the Mrs. have to say about this behavior?
How about those grades? Well, there's an A in alcohol, a B in beer. C is for Miss Carter, who we love so dear. D is for drunk, and there ain't no E, so F's for Forever Clear.
by wtnelson on May 28, 2011 10:03 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Mike’s comic book habit is one where I let him indulge. He’s not nearly as bad as he used to be, and way better than the weirdos that sit around in the store all day!
He’s not nearly as bad as he used to be, and way better than the weirdos that sit around in the store all day!
Well, yes, now that Mike has actually kissed a girl, he’s getting better.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
i’m rec’ing this as hard as i can
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by Cole D Hamilton on May 28, 2011 10:03 AM MDT reply actions
I kinda liked SOS as the Solider because of the American connection. But don’t know if he really applies. Maybe Liles as a solider, because he is often out matched but finds a way to set up the knockout blow to the enemy with his hockey smarts and his vision on the blueline, whether he is slashing up the middle or finding the open man. Johnson as the god role fits especially when he shots lightning bolts from the blue line and it sounds like thunder when he releases it. He is definitely our hardest hitter and delivers the hammer. So that really leaves Duchene as the knight.
I may or may not have chopped these a few months ago. I had Stazz as Cap’n:



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by Cole D Hamilton on May 28, 2011 10:16 AM MDT reply actions 7 recs
I love Parker.
Because 30 is different than 20 and 34 is different than 27.
Dupuis est un Des Boys.
by Sandie Gauthier on May 28, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I’ll be honest, I really have no idea what any of this means. But I do enjoy it.
How about those grades? Well, there's an A in alcohol, a B in beer. C is for Miss Carter, who we love so dear. D is for drunk, and there ain't no E, so F's for Forever Clear.
by wtnelson on May 28, 2011 10:21 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
ditto
I am the most humble blogger of all time
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 28, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions
When in doubt...
WATCH THE MOVIES!
Iron man 1 and 2 are already on DVD, Thor is in theaters now, and Captain America comes out in July. I’m sure that will at least somewhat explain what’s going on. (shrugs) it’s what I’m going off, since I’m not a huge comic book person either.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
I also don't know them
and I did feel lost. But the basic sentiment is solid and I have to agree with much of what was said.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 28, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
hockey and comics = the two best things in life. EPIC WIN.
by Matti Kathrynne on May 28, 2011 7:37 PM MDT reply actions
Check it:
I found this picture of those creepy twins and Kesler, not sure of the date or place:

Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 28, 2011 8:02 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I also found this one, couldn’t find a larger picture of it though:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0MH_2M8LGBU/RX-IbCzTL1I/AAAAAAAAABs/8n8W4NYGml8/s200/twin5.jpg
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 28, 2011 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions
How about the A-Team:
Hannibal: Stastny
Face: JML
Murdock: Duchene
BA: ??
Lame latin guy that came on later during the run: Hunwick
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 28, 2011 8:15 PM MDT reply actions
My take on the A-Team

It fits perfectly. Not only do we we have a giant A on our chest, what other team in the league had a flying tank?

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
by andidee15 on May 29, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Like it but you’ll have a hard time convincing Beachie that Faceman isn’t JML.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
As I’ve never liked the A Team, I’ve no problem with this.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 29, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
But Face was the good looking one…everything I know about you, thrown out the window…
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Good looking on a show I’ll never watch = waste of hotness.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 31, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Have you seen the new movie? It was actually really good.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
by andidee15 on May 31, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have not. Will not. The whole thing bugs me way too much. Being forced to watch it growing up ruined it all completely for me. The trailers were bad enough. Couldn’t imagine sitting through the whole movie.
Oh, and Detroit? You can stop believin' now.
by Cheryl Bradley on May 31, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh god it was.
I’ve seen it like 3463467432 times. So awesome.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 31, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here. I love it so much!
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
by andidee15 on May 31, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I rec your excellent taste ^^
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 31, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I rec yours. I went and saw it the night after it came out. I wasn’t expecting much, but to my surprise, it was funny and entertaining and easily one of the best movies in a fairly blockbusterless summer. It’s also probably one of my favorite in-theater experiences too. I saw it at the Tinseltown in southern Colorado Springs, which is the closest theater to Fort Carson. A bunch of the off-duty army guys were there, and when they showed Hannibal at “Fort Carson”, we cheered. It was rowdy and loud and so much fun. Plus the movie itself is just awesome.
Expect more A-Team references next season. Hopefully I won’t have any with flying tanks, but “Alpha Michael Foxtrot” (Or Adios Mother F(something blows up here)) will probably show up when we start winning games again.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.
Yessssssssssss
I saw it with an old friend. No cheering but I had prepped for the movie release by rewatching the entire series again (I’ve loved A-Team foeva n eva) so I was spotting all the tiny show references, especially in the beginning. It was pretty fantastical.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 31, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions
To quote the smartest man that I've ever met, who taught me everything that I know about anything:
Fucking nerds.
All of you.
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!

was that what you were looking for? Only a nerd could have found it.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 28, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Honestly
That’s exactly why I put that there. It was fitting and I knew what was being posted two days later.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 29, 2011 12:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Speaking of Nerds…..
I just purchased The Witcher 2 and am about to install it.
Datsyuk may have done it first, but he learned it from Peter Forsberg.
Thanks for everything Foppa!
Footer: We'll miss seeing you clear the riff raff off your lawn.
by Americanario on May 29, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
...have fun with that
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 29, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I just put in the PS3 LA Noire.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Was thinking about picking that up, but I still have Red Dead Redemption and Portal 2 on the list, and I need to take them in order.
Thanks, Joe... Thanks, Peter.... Thanks, Adam....
I have RDR, it was a really fun game. People seem to really love Portal 2, but I found the first one, minus the quote about cake, to be rather boring.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool idea but I think the Justice League works a little better. This is a team of individuals lead by a core of heroes that set a standard for how the entire team was to be run. They were all heroes brought together from different worlds, with different skills all with the same mission at hand. The Avengers are brought together to fight powerful individuals most often (Mandarin, Ultimo, Hulk, etc.)
Furthermore, they are united to fight other team(s), most notably the Legion of Doom. This fits the Avs’ “team-first identity” and also fits the game of hockey better, at least IMO.
The Cast:
Superman- He’s the leader and the most powerful of the group. The team takes its lead from Supes and for that reason, Duchene is Superman. While he’s still getting used to his powers and learning how to use them, he is the most powerful of the group. Just remember, it’s not easy to be Superman, Five for Fighting (fitting for hockey) said it.
Batman- This one is easy. Stastny doesn’t have the talent (or powers) of the others but with a cunning mind and a form dedicated as much to defense as it is offense, Stastny is an effective player.
Flash- Most people would label this immediately: Tomas “Flash” Fleischmann but he fits better somewhere else. The Avs have an abundance of speedsters and so this one member will be in flux for a while. Liles will do for now. He’s speedy and knows how to use it to be effective. Hishon could fit, maybe Stefan Elliott or Tyson Barrie but for now, Liles fills the role of the Flash
Wonder Woman (no laughing)- TBD. This has to be a goalie just for flexibility and poise. She comes from royalty and hence is a little arrogant but alwasy knows her duty. Goalies are notoriously arrogant (remember Roy) but the good ones know their duty and do it.
Green Lantern- Erik Johnson fits in here. He’s powerful but not as much as the others but he’s intelligent and uses all his tools to make the right play to cover his backside and help his teammates.
Aquaman- Radar- often thought to but the wussiest of the Justice League, Aquaman is a coordinator. He uses his teammates to make him powerful. With Aquaman’s powers, he can call unto himself an army and that’s what makes him dangerous.Radar (maybe he should be called sonar?) is very dangerous because he supports the team and lets them support him. His positioning is solid but without his teammates, he’s inaffective.
Martian Man-Hunter- It was easy to us Flash for the Flash but he fits better here. He’s super powerful and he can make any of the heroes better but the defining characteristic of him is: you can not see him for a while and then he just appears in the most dangerous area. How often has Fleischman done that?
The Avs are still coming together as a league but, assuming they don’t take away more pieces and add their missing piece, they could be very tough to beat in the upcoming years.
You can add on to this with the Green Arrow, Captain Marvel, Hawkman and the rest if you wish.
We talked about it a little bit
but ultimately came to the logical conclusion: DC kind of sucks, Marvel is kind of the shit and we both would rather talk Marvel. =D
But seriously, you just wrote the post for us! Thanks <3
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on May 29, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Batman would like to have a word with you outside.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
We did discuss it and decided that Marvel was more in our wheelhouse, especially with the abundance of teams in that universe. My main issue with the Justice League is how horribly unbalanced and ineffective they are. This is a team with a shit-you-not near omnipotent Superman on the team and he has to call on a guy with a vampire fetish to get shit done? Or how Martian Manhunter has all of Supe’s powers, plus telepathy, shapeshifting, and intangibility, but he’s a glorified secretary? I call bullshit. The whole dynamic between the Trinity (Big S, WW, and Bats) totally invalidates the contributions of the rest of the team. They’re the definition of top-heavy. There’s very little that’s complimentary to the League, IMO. Plus, if they were such a good team, how did Lex Luthor end up as President again?
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
if they were such a good team, how did Lex Luthor end up as President again?
Cause no one listens to batman. Have you ever read ‘The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Strikes Back?" Batman let’s LL know who’s boss. And he kicks superman’s ass. Superman = Wuss.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
You’re proving my point (and I love me some Batman, BTW). Bats is a token minority on that team. He’s the hands-down badass and they all blow him off because he’s creepy or they secretly want to sleep with him (ask Diana, she knows what I’m talking about). That SCREAMS awesome team dynamic.
If we don't get our sauce, we ain't watching the game!
I know….I just wanted to talk some batman. What is wonder woman’s power anyway? That’s a serious question.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Profit
Some magicians can walk on water. Joe Sakic can swim through land.
Todd Helton was once bitten by a rattle snake... After 3 days of pain and suffering... The snake died.
A power that only she and a handful of strippers and pornstars have.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
She’s mainly just a really good warrior, but they did give her flight after a long time. Plus I think now she has some left over god-given powers from her time as the Goddess of Truth.
Yes, Mike is the comic book nerd, I just love some Wonder Woman.
by Mrs @ MHH on May 31, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The whole dynamic between the Trinity (Big S, WW, and Bats) totally invalidates the contributions of the rest of the team.
So they are a top-heavy big three in the inferior universe, or “conference” if you will.
The Justice League are the Tampa Lightning.
Avalanche Shutouts are a powerful Aphrodisiac
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on May 31, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
T’all keep leaving out Adam Larsson, our #2 pick next month.
Draft Larsson + Sign Bryzgalof = Kick ass.
Of course, that should be “Y’all.”
Draft Larsson + Sign Bryzgalof = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on May 29, 2011 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry it’s included in the trade with stastny to Toronto for Finger, $10 and a 3rd round pick.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Bullshit
If there’s no box of Timbits coming to Denver, this shit will not go down. Mark my words!
2010-2011 Colorado Avalanche: Hugging the cap floor and waiting on their revenue share, because hey, billionaires need welfare too!
Philly’s 3rd I hope.
Draft Larsson + Sign Bryzgalof = Kick ass.
by niwotsblessing on May 29, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
No reason to do the deal otherwise.
Adam Larsson. When? Ok, if not him how about that Couturier kid?
by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 29, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I just watched Thor last night, so I laughed when I saw this.
Great job guys! I’ll work on a photocrop for my opinion later. I’m currently at the Colorado Springs Airport, and it looks like my plane is here. So the pretty pictures will have to wait until I get back to Bozeman.
Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

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