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Final Grade: John-Michael Liles

DENVER - NOVEMBER 15:  Defenseman John-Michael Liles #4 of the Colorado Avalanche skates against the St. Louis Blues at the Pepsi Center on November 15 2010 in Denver Colorado. Liles had two goals as the Avalanche defeated the Blues 6-3.  (Photo by Doug Pensinger/Getty Images)

 This report card is a joint effort by Beachie, Sandie, Paul, SlamDunktheFunk and DDC. Stats courtesy of hockey-reference.com and NHL.com 

 


 

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Final Grade

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Final Grade: A-

Midseason Grade: A

Last Year: A-

Position: D

Vitals: 5’10" / 185 / Age 30 / Shoots Left / Sagittarius

Drafted by Avalanche, 5th round (159th) of 2000 Draft

Joined Avalanche: 2003-2004

MHH Nicknames: Hot Pocket, Johnny Hot Pocket, Beachie’s Boyfriend, Male Model, JML

Linemates:

·         O’Byrne 54gp 6g 24a 30p -8

·         Holøs 7gp 0g 4a 4p -3

·         Wilson 5gp 0g 7a 7p +5

·         Cohen 3gp 0g 1a 1p Even

·         Quincey 3gp 0g 1a 1p +3

·         Gaunce 2gp 0g 2a 2p +1

·         Johnson 2gp 0g 0a 0p -1

·         Shattenkirk 2gp 0g 0a 0pt  -6

·         Foote 1gp 0g 1a 1p Even

Avs with Liles in the lineup: 29-39-8 (.434 Pt%) 2.81 GF 3.49 GA

Ice Time:

·         TTOI 22:00 (2nd)

·         ES 17:43 (2nd)

·         PK 1:03 (13th)

·         PP 3:13 (1st)

 

Career Highlights: In October, 2010, Liles set an NHL record for defensemen, recording an assist in each of the first nine games of the season. For the fifth consecutive season, he led all Colorado blueliners in points. With 275 career points, he is now the highest scoring defenseman in Avalanche history, followed by Sandis Ozolinsh at 253. Liles also led the Avalanche in blocked shots with 153

Report: Liles was often the best defender on the ice this season, especially before Erik Johnson was acquired. His offensive numbers through the first half earned him Norris Trophy consideration, and his defensive play was better than it’s ever been. As always, his work ethic was stellar, and he was clearly a strong leader for the team. As soon as it became clear that this would be Footer’s last year, Liles became a front-runner for being the next Captain of the Avalanche. As happened with the rest of the team, Liles’ production fell off and defensive play faltered in the second half of the season. Much of this was due to the fact that he and O’Byrne were saddled with top-pairing duty after injuries whooped ass on the team. As good as he is, Liles is not a 1-2 defenseman and putting him in that role did him no favors. He was second on the team in TOI, averaging 22 minutes per game, and was played in all situations. He held up admirably, but the responsibility and expectation was clearly too much for a defenseman of his skill set. Still, he ended 3 points shy of a career high in points and bested his previous high in assists by 5. Not too bad of a season, really, considering the dismal nature of the team post-All Stars.

Fun Fact: In addition to hockey, Liles lettered in golf during high school. Although a lot of hockey players enjoy the sport, Liles has a deep passion for it. That, combined with significant skill, has brought him recognition in the golf world. In 2009, he was named to Golf Digest’s top 150 athlete golfers, coming in the highest of all CO athletes at 12th. His handicap at the time was 0.8.

The JML Drinking Game:  Take a shot every time the camera zooms in on Liles for a close up. Drunk potential: Hide the Sharpies from your friends.

What We Said Last Year: Liles did what he was paid to do this season, he was a force on the power play and the leading scorer among defensemen despite playing the least amount games out of the top seven. His defense can be careless at times but I still never understood why Sacco scratched him so much.

2010 Cap Hit: $4.2 million (limited NTC)

2011 Status: Signed through end of next year

Outlook for Next Season: There’s no reason to think Liles will fall off in quality or production next season, especially if he’s able to play that second-pairing position for which he’s best suited. In fact, as oft happens in the final year of a contract, we may see even more effort from the defenseman. Unless he gets the C – and maybe even if he does – expect more trade rumors, though. Liles has yet to play a season in the NHL without his name being tossed around by, well, everyone as a likely trade deadline move. As has happened in the previous seasons, however, I think we’ll continue to see Johnny Hot Pocket in an Avs’ sweater, not only for all of next season but beyond. A two-year contract with a hefty discount would not surprise me at all.

 

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Dutch (leading scorer, was able to push through the slump), EJ (10 pts in 22 games and the new boss of the blueline), Flash (21 pts in 22 games), and Duke (season #11 with 20+ goals) will probably get As. Jones, Winnik, Gaunce, Mauldin, and Olver might.

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by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 7:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Dupuis might, Duke was horrible on D, I had kinda stopped paying attention to the team when they picked up Johnson, so I’ll excuse myself from grading him. maybe jones, winnik kinda sorta really dissapeared in the 2nd half. Gaunce, Mauldin and Olver didn’t play enough

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Neither of the last 3 deserve A’s. Not even close. Olver had some nice chemistry with Duchene, but was basically on injury mo-up duty. Mauldin started well, but then fell of the earth before being sent back down, and Gaunce? He wasn’t anything spectacular.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on May 3, 2011 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Liles also led the Avalanche in blocked shots with 153

 My boyfriend is such a bad ass.

Thank you, Footer. You - and your nose - will never be forgotten.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 7:47 AM MDT reply actions  

yeah, I had to add that in. totally didn’t know that

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks! I didn’t even look it up because I never thought that would be a possibility. Pretty damn cool. (BTW, are we – as employees of MHH – exempt from voting in the poll? lol)

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

no way. vote like crazy

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

as long as he doesn’t block them with his face, I am cool with it.

Didn’t realize he had blocked so many. JML is one of those quiet, hard-working players who just does what he need to to help the team, without the need for a lot of hype. I like that about him.

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by hockeymom on May 3, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

as long as he doesn’t block them with his face, I am cool with it.

Amen, sistah!

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

vote early, vote often.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m concerned he AND EJ had to sit out the Worlds for team USA with what I assume are issues with late season concussions. Fucking concussions.

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on May 3, 2011 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Don’t forget Stastny’s leg.

Fucking concussions.

Just a Colorado girl in Montana who <3s the Avs.

by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of the Worlds

Canada’s update is up if anyone wants to take a look. The won today in OT (4-3 over Switzerland) and Stewy had a great goal.

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by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

No A’s for the 29th best team in hockey. Sorry, can’t do it. Not even for JML, who I do think was off and on our best player this past season.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 9:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Kind of agree. JML in the beginning of the season? A. JML after the AS break, maybe a C+ because he reverted back to last year’s version. So maybe a B at the most

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

by chiavsfan on May 3, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would give Fleischmann an A. He played enough games with Colorado before the injury. Everyone else played their way out of an A. Thinking of the grades, I can’t help but think of the Harvey Dent quote ‘You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.’

by some white guy on May 3, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

And PS: I’m having a helluva time responding to other posts lately on SB Nation (reply doesn’t work). If this continues expect jibblepalooza to commence.

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

really?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

please send an email to support@sbnation.com so they can unjibble you

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

When are you coming to Denver to watch a game?

I'll keep this brief.

by Dario on May 3, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

me? when plane tickets from NH to Denver are under $100

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

So when your beloved redwings are younger than the Avs?

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by Americanario on May 3, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jibblepalooza

Is great. Lots of beer, street hockey and live bands. We’ll even get a Doors cover band specifically for Dan.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

oooof.

How ya feeling about Hannan’s next contract these days? Worried at all about his gaffe, or do you think his relatively decent showing lately will keep him in the land of riches?

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

We’ll see how the playoffs pan out. But, at least in the public and media eye, Mike Green is getting dogged a lot more for his defensive gaffe’s (as he should, he’s got 0 defensive awareness) than Hannan.

I still think he’ll get ~$3.5M on the open market, but I could see him getting less because the market for defensemen this offseason is surprisingly strong, especially compared to Forward and goalies.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone notice Erik Johnson in the background of that picture?

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by Tempestuous Binary on May 3, 2011 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

no. neat!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I love the look on his face.

Thank you, Footer. You - and your nose - will never be forgotten.
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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Is it the “JML is so dreamy I hope I can play along side of him someday” look?

(SBN allowed me to reply!)

We see a wonderful sun-soaked city nestled at the foot of the Rocky Mountains. Enos sees nickels and dimes.

by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

he’s totally checking out his butt

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to say, he looks way better in an Avs sweater.

And I think the look is more like, “Hey, wait up!”

Americanario makes Journey reference. Tempestuous Binary listens to Don't Stop Believing. Milan Hejduk scores goal. You know what must be done. DSB Record: 1-3-0

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

The Number Zero, probably tastes like chicken.

by Tempestuous Binary on May 3, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m rather fond of St. Louis’s jerseys for some reason (especially their thirds), but I agree. EJ does look better in the Burgundy and Blue.

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by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I can, sometimes I can’t. Right now I can’t. Thus another jibble. Yes, JML’s play did fall off, with the rest of the team, in the 2nd half of the season. His effort was never in question, but his confidence was.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 9:48 AM MDT reply actions  

They make a pill for that, you know.

How about those grades? Well, there's an A in alcohol, a B in beer. C is for Miss Carter, who we love so dear. D is for drunk, and there ain't no E, so F's for Forever Clear.

by wtnelson on May 4, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

B+

A+ for the first half (he carried the team), C+ for the second half (when he was sometimes a passenger). I’m factoring his salary into his evaluation.

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Why are we rating a player who was traded at the deadline?

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by c6hor8 on May 3, 2011 11:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Why are we rating a player who was traded at the deadline in 2009?

Fixed.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Only other A I can see given out is to the Duke, maybe to Dutchy. Otherwise I’m with Bob. The only reason I would consider those three is because of what they did considering the crap fest around them.

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by TheRed on May 3, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Dr. Jones?

The guy played an entire season. That exceeded expectations. 27 goals, that’s kinda big. I’d give him an A.

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by Busted Twigg on May 3, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen this in other places (Dater, Andi above, now you) but how in the world can anyone think about giving Dutchy any kind of “A” this season?

He had a 2-month stretch where he was abysmal. .33PPG, not very good in his own end. That 2-month stretch also coincided with the Avs fall into the dunk tank.

I realize he’s very young, and so he’ll improve, and he did have a pretty decent 2nd season. But "A"s are for guys who don’t post TJ Hensick style-numbers for 2 months of the season, unless they are 4th liners. I am not worried about Duchene in the future, he’s young, improving, and incredibly talented. And his 1st half was awesome, but lets not overlook his faults and struggles this season either.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

But "A"s are for guys who don’t post TJ Hensick style-numbers for 2 months of the season

Them’s fightin’ words! Men have been killed for less than that.

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Duchene from Jan 11 to March 11: .33 ppg

TJ Hensick Career numbers: .34

Should I have said “slightly worse” than Hensick-style numbers?

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought that 50 points was typically a good season, though.

oh wait….

by stpn47 on May 3, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

An inconsistent youngster? THE HELL YOU SAY?! BUST. TOTAL BUST. :hf sky is falling gif:

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by thedoctor on May 3, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not saying he won’t be good, but when doing grades for this season alone, it’s pretty disingenuous to ignore it.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

B+ from me. I attribute much of the slump to chemistry issues. He improved his D, his faceoffs, his scoring, and his consistency — and I thought he was good last year! He can get better, that’s practically the only reason i wouldn’t give him an A.

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by thedoctor on May 3, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I might give Duchene an A simply because of his age. This was just his second season and despite the “sophomore slump” he improved on his totals from last season and became the youngest player to lead the team in scoring. Sure he disappeared for 2 months, but so did the rest of the team. The Avs as a team had a lot of issues and Duchene lost how many linemates? He’s still a rookie in the NHL, not a seasoned vet.

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by Americanario on May 3, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure he disappeared for 2 months, but so did the rest of the team.

And the team went through a historically bad stretch. I’d be ok with giving none of them an A. I really don’t think any of them, except maybe Liles, really deserves it.

But an A should be about rising above expectations.. right? Duchene met them, maybe slightly exceeded them. But an “A”? No one’s giving Stastny the ol “changing linemates” excuse, and he played with Ryan freaking Stoa for a good portion of the season.

I realize there’s different expectation upon the two, I just think Duchene’s being given a bit of a criticism pass because he’s young and we project he’ll be better. But we’re evaluating this season and this season he was good, with one really really ugly stretch.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

But an A should be about rising above expectations.. right? Duchene met them, maybe slightly exceeded them. But an "A"? No one’s giving Stastny the ol "changing linemates" excuse, and he played with Ryan freaking Stoa for a good portion of the season.

Couldn’t agree with you more about Dutchy, and I would imagine that he himself wouldn’t grade his season as a A.

But let’s ease off the Stastny/Stoa thing, please. Yes, Stats had shitty linemates. No, Ryan Stoa wasn’t really that guy. While he may have started on Stastny’s wing a surprising amount of times, he rarely stayed there. He only played 333 minutes this season, while Stats played more than 1,400. Think of the many times that Stoa would start on the top line, only to disappear from it after a few shifts. So, while I applaud and even encourage broad statements, this one’s a bit of a stretch.

Just throwing this out there now so that in 2 years I don’t have to read about how Ryan Stoa was the Avs’ first-line winger.

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you look at when the avs season started to really tank, game 50 or so, you see a whole lot of Stoa-Stastny & Porter-Stastny

Not that Stastny was great, but if anyone has the best “shitty linemates caused his struggles” excuse it’s Stastny.

Of course Duchene had shitty linemates a lot too, which really gets down to the point: The Avs really have a lot of shitty wingers

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree, looking back I was probably too hard on Stats, because his linemates sucked. But it wasn’t mostly Stoa. Again, yeah he started there, but rarely ended up there.

I don’t think Stoa’s a good enough skater to be effective in the NHL. And he doesn’t seem to have anything to make up for his bad skating, unlike guys like Brunette and Andreychuk. Also, he sounded like he was stoned when he was interviewed on the radio after his 2-goal game. I have no love for Stoa. But, my only point in all of this, is that he wasn’t Stastny’s biggest anchor, that’s all.

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point on Stoa. You’re right, Stoa wasn’t Stastny’s anchor, but that 3rd/4th liner they plugged in there all season was, whether it was Stoa, Porter, Yip, Galiardi, or Stortyipardi

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

When Stoa started playing with him, however, is when Stastny’s production started to dramatically decline.

by stpn47 on May 3, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

And to think – we actually drafted Stoa above Stats. Methinks that was in the pre-Pracey era though.

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by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

But then again, maybe not. I can’t find ANY info on when Pracey joined the Avs.

How long has he been in charge of our scouting?

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by andidee15 on May 3, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I give Dutchy an A for effort.
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kidding. I meant maybe as in not really, but closer than anyone else.

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by TheRed on May 3, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan of +/- but it tells the story of Dukes season. Jones might get an A, did you know he only had 6 PP goals? I would have thought either he’d have a greater % of his total goals on the PP. Fun fact: When David Jones plays in 40 or more games in a season the avs haven’t made the playoffs.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was under-utilized on the PP. Stewart did his work for the first half and after that the Avs had so many injuries they put Jones on the outside. Next season, I would bet that number doubles with him in front of the net on the PP.

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by c6hor8 on May 3, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly, the only players that I would give A’s too are Liles, for reasons already explained; and to Flash, if he even played enough games to qualify.

by stpn47 on May 3, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Flash would get an INC from me. It’s not his fault his time with us was short. But short it was.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jones

I’d consider giving Jones an A.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

ok, I can understand not giving Duchene the A or C. But Jones? The same Jones that displays zero fire on the ice? Skates away from every confrontation? Doesn’t hit enough? Doesn’t use his size?

What exactly qualifies him for an A?

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by thedoctor on May 3, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s a borderline 2nd/3rd liner who scored 27 goals and had pretty decent possession, shooting (and your preferred GF/GA statistics).

FYI: This is exactly why I don’t like projecting how much “fire” someone displays on the ice. sure some players are obviously loafing, and some obviously give a lot, but there’s a whole fuckton of grey in there that doesn’t translate to black & white nearly as well as fans like to believe. Sakic didn’t display his fire either. Jones is an effective player, especially given where he was drafted. Not really sure why there should be any question about his work ethic or desire at all. Because he doesn’t look it based on some sort of arbitrary moving personal metrics.

I’d probably give him somewhere in the B – B+ range, but I’d consider a low A

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

David Jones is a bigger Marek Svatos
http://www.milehighhockey.com/2008/7/16/841949/2008-final-grade-marek-svatos

spoiler alert, he’s not getting an A

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Except David Jones almost always shows up on the high + side of On the Forecheck’s Penalties drawn/Penaties taken metric. Svatos was always good for some dumb hooking/tripping penalties.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel it prudent to point out that i completely missed that we were talking about grades (yes, here in this grades post) and not captaincies. Oops. Perhaps the fire discussion makes more sense. /sigh

That said, Jones deserves a B-B+ still. He doesn’t hit enough, he doesn’t make people better around him. And he’s not a tweener, he’s a definitely top 6er in my book.

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by thedoctor on May 3, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he’s an adequate 2nd line winger for a team struggling to make the playoffs. The fact that he scored 27 goals this season is more of an indicator of our lack of other scorers than his own capability. He certainly doesn’t play up to his size, and I’d love to see him plant his ass in front of the next much more often than he does.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he’s borderline. Top 6 on an average offensive team, but top 6 on a good playoff team? Of the 8 remaining teams The only one I think he’d be top-6 for is Nashville (who have Weber, Suter and Rinne to make up for it). Maybe Tampa.

Which is why I say borderline 2nd/3rd liner.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

well, I wouldn’t (and didn’t) consider him a low A, but I do agree with you that he’s borderline 2nd/3rd.
the 27 goals notwithstanding

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

You’ll enjoy the posts I’m (trying) to put together here for the offseason.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

After I posted an re-read I thought you might be saying that, although it was unclear. I had trouble believing you didn’t realize it was about grades in the grade post though ;)

It does make more sense under that context.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

and I wouldn’t give Svatos the A either!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 3, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you meant didn’t

Yeah, after considering it and looking into it a little, I don’t think Jones deserves an A. I’d probably give him a B+ though.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I feel it prudent to point out that i completely missed that we were talking about grades (yes, here in this grades post) and not captaincies

I like it, doc. Reporting your violations before you get caught earns you leniency.

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by Dan Winkler on May 3, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m nothing if not truthful. Usually it works out. Sometimes not. Not usually involves wives or bosses.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20

by thedoctor on May 3, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should so learn to lie effectively then!

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by TheRed on May 4, 2011 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

that’s just not how i roll.

"I’m predicting 50pts in the NHL for Hensick next season. Anyone want to put $20 on it?" - DetAvs, Jun 18, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
Hensick stats: 13 games, 1g/2a/3p THOMAS/DETAVS: I WANT MY $20

by thedoctor on May 4, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I considered adding Jones to that, actually, but I think I’d give him a high B because he kinda disappeared at times.

by stpn47 on May 3, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Liles

Back to Liles: If I’m grading on a curve based on his salary, I’d give him a lower grade, his production and defense when compared to his cap hit aren’t there.

But if I’m grading Liles on a curve based on the expectations coming into the season, his role on the team, and on par with his teammates, I think this grade is fair. Taking the salary into account probably makes me agree with Dan at B+

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

the question is, can liles get better or is this what he is?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

i still don’t get why you should even consider salary when evaluating a player’s performance in a season. It’s totally irrelevant. Although I don’t agree with it, I get having it in the discussion of general value to the team, especially in regards to signings/trades. But for player grades? Why would how much he makes have any bearing on it?

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 3, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because it goes hand in hand with expectations. An Agent negotiates a contract based on how good the player thinks he is. A higher paid player has more responsibility than a 4th line grinder. That’s what taking that big contract means

Also that number counts against the Cap, which deals with how many more good players you can get. Ok, well not with the Avs but you know most teams. A player who takes too much of that cap not only isn’t as good as he thinks, but also hampers his teams ability to get better players.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not necessarily saying I agree with this, at least not all the way. In the case of the Avs, They aren’t in Salary cap trouble, and it’s not my money so who cares how much he made. But I understand that part of getting the big contract is big expectations.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

getting the big contract is big expectations

Like it or not, this is the truth. I personally am ok with grading either way, and perhaps both, just as long as that’s qualified in the given grade.

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I don't understand the purpose of the line, "I don't need to drink
to have fun." Great, no one does. But why start a fire with flint and
sticks when they've invented the lighter?

by TheRed on May 4, 2011 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Expectation is definitely key. However, I base my expectation on skill, not on an agent’s bargaining prowess.

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by Cheryl Bradley on May 4, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

At 30 years old… he is what he is.

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:02 PM MDT reply actions  

I would have said the same thing at 29, but I do tend to think he’s topped out.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damnit

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by Jibblescribbits on May 3, 2011 2:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Who? you? I don’t believe it.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 3, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your 2010-2011 Avalanche: It’s all about no A’s.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 3, 2011 3:11 PM MDT reply actions  

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